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raziel_spawn69
07-17-2002, 11:29 PM
Hey! u guys know there are 3 more books in the ACTUAL star wars line? they are AFTER the whole vader thing and I hear the only reason they wont be made is cuz Georgie-poo is bored....

spam email? =-)


P.S. George has an obsession with people loosing arms...... Anakin, Luke, and many other brave men lose arms.... no legs......

CM_Third
07-17-2002, 11:59 PM
Yet in the original 3 movies not one stormtrooper was killed from a direct hit with a lightsaber. Infact only 1 non jedi ever got personally hit with a saber and that was that bloke in the cantina.

mythren
07-18-2002, 12:08 AM
Yeah, it pisses me off...

There were originally scripts for 9 full movies...but George has already stated that he won't die making Star Wars movies, so he will "NOT be making the final three movies, and nobody else will."

Saber Lucas? Yeah...that's my idea...but I can't seem to find a working one...

V-tecc
07-18-2002, 12:15 AM
He'll make em... trust me...

What else is he gonna do? - A sequel to the Ewok Movie? hehe

Arceri
07-18-2002, 12:19 AM
"Yet in the original 3 movies not one stormtrooper was killed from a direct hit with a lightsaber. Infact only 1 non jedi ever got personally hit with a saber and that was that bloke in the cantina."

Guess you never saw Return of the Jedi. Because, Luke killed half of Jabba the Hutts crew on the sand vessel, with his Lightsaber.

CM_Third
07-18-2002, 12:30 AM
errr ummm err ummm, i thought he just deflected the shots and kicked people, oh thats right i remember now... i stand corrected... though i still cant remember him actually hitting anyone with it... so i guess i dont remember :p .

well i still hold to my no stormtroopers got hit by a lightsaber. And disembemberments should have been more common, not just i salsh this across your body and you will fall over, instead of through your body.

Kstar__2
07-18-2002, 12:51 AM
clieg lars lost his legs........

Freakinmario
07-18-2002, 01:12 AM
I believe that if George Lucas decide not to continue working for the next three episodes, some other people will do. I have read the next trilogy and it's a thrill. I do not want to spoil it, since I don't know who of you guys have also read it. But I will say this. In the next three episodes, Luke Skywalker really builds the famous Jedi Academy on Yavin-4 and embarks on a trully amazing quest in the galaxy, in search of new trainees...:luke: :x-wing:

00M-187
07-18-2002, 02:44 AM
Lets just hope Geoge doesn't die before he makes EP3, that would really piss me off. What if he got hit by a train or something. Or maybe he has a clone of himslelf.... Hmmm or better yet a mini clone of himself, yea, to carry on his legacy.

00M-187
07-18-2002, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by Freakinmario
I believe that if George Lucas decide not to continue working for the next three episodes, some other people will do. I have read the next trilogy and it's a thrill. I do not want to spoil it, since I don't know who of you guys have also read it. But I will say this. In the next three episodes, Luke Skywalker really builds the famous Jedi Academy on Yavin-4 and embarks on a trully amazing quest in the galaxy, in search of new trainees...:luke: :x-wing:


Are you saying that you have read episodes 7-9 written by George Lucas? If so then ur on crack, none of the expanded universe starwars novels where written by George Lucas, Moron.

If you actally have read the storyline to the 7-9 episodes written by Geoge Lucas I salute you, but I guarantee that you have not. They where never released. Stay off the pipe man.

Freakinmario
07-18-2002, 03:24 AM
They are not written by Lucas, and although I cannot give you right now titles and author's name, I will send it right here as soon as I check my library. Thank you for your interest, btw...:p

Bungalow
07-18-2002, 03:41 AM
Dude if you do find the link or file please send it to me
Chens0@hotamil.com
thats a zero not an O

Sounds Risky
07-18-2002, 04:55 AM
How come everyone thinks Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command are the third trilogy? They aren't even Lucas' stories, they're Timothy Zahn's.

00M-187
07-18-2002, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by Freakinmario
They are not written by Lucas, and although I cannot give you right now titles and author's name, I will send it right here as soon as I check my library. Thank you for your interest, btw...:p


You said that you read the next trilogy, IE: Episodes 7-9 of the original story, these have never been released.

YOU HAVE NOT READ EPISODE'S 7-9 OF STAR WARS!

Expanded universe novels do not count in the original 9 episodes. Therefore there will not be any movies about them.

Freakinmario
07-18-2002, 05:27 AM
Ok! You are right. I have not read episodes 7-9 of the original Star Wars by George Lucas. But if you could please tell me this.

Star Wars: The Jedi Academy Trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson

Ep 1 : Jedi Search, Ep 2 : Dark Aprentice, Ep 3 : Champions of the Force


Does these titles says to you something. If I'm wrong, or If I have n't yet realised that this trilogy novels are part of the Expanded Star Wars Universe, don't hesitate now to blast me.

Divine Spirit
07-18-2002, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by Freakinmario
I believe that if George Lucas decide not to continue working for the next three episodes, some other people will do

i very much doubt it....he will make a law against it because he wouldnt be able to bare the fact that someones else is making more money from the star wars films than he was! :D

Originally posted by OOM-187
Are you saying that you have read episodes 7-9 written by George Lucas? If so then ur on crack, none of the expanded universe starwars novels where written by George Lucas, Moron.

Hey! calm it down a bit! Dont be so rude to other forum members when they have done nothing to you!

Boba Rhett will get you with his little cane in a minute! :D

Sounds Risky
07-18-2002, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Freakinmario
Ok! You are right. I have not read episodes 7-9 of the original Star Wars by George Lucas. But if you could please tell me this.

Star Wars: The Jedi Academy Trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson

Ep 1 : Jedi Search, Ep 2 : Dark Aprentice, Ep 3 : Champions of the Force


Does these titles says to you something. If I'm wrong, or If I have n't yet realised that this trilogy novels are part of the Expanded Star Wars Universe, don't hesitate now to blast me.

Nope, that's part of the EU. Even if George did make the third trilogy he would basically nullify all of the EU. That would probably piss off a few people.

HellFyre69
07-18-2002, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by Freakinmario
Ok! You are right. I have not read episodes 7-9 of the original Star Wars by George Lucas. But if you could please tell me this.

Star Wars: The Jedi Academy Trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson

Ep 1 : Jedi Search, Ep 2 : Dark Aprentice, Ep 3 : Champions of the Force


Does these titles says to you something. If I'm wrong, or If I have n't yet realised that this trilogy novels are part of the Expanded Star Wars Universe, don't hesitate now to blast me.

to make things sure.. ALL BOOKS are EU.. Except the ones that translated to the movies...

books and comics are considered EU, because Lucas did not write them =P

ok? koo

zworqy
07-18-2002, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by CM_Third
Infact only 1 non jedi ever got personally hit with a saber and that was that bloke in the cantina.

Anakin hacked up quite a few sand people in episode 2 too...

MotionMan
07-18-2002, 08:13 AM
Zam Wessel got her hand cut off. Lets see... The wampa got his arm cut off or killed by Lukes saber. Alot of genosian soldiers got killed by anakin. The Acklay got choped up. And those 2 poisonous centepede like creatures too.

Kyth'emos
07-18-2002, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by raziel_spawn69
Hey! u guys know there are 3 more books in the ACTUAL star wars line? they are AFTER the whole vader thing and I hear the only reason they wont be made is cuz Georgie-poo is bored....

spam email? =-)


P.S. George has an obsession with people loosing arms...... Anakin, Luke, and many other brave men lose arms.... no legs......


Wow, your kind of slow aren't you ?

Darth Knight
07-18-2002, 09:17 AM
i heard some where he IS making 7-9 so we probaly won't know till after ep 3

SharaFett
07-18-2002, 11:36 AM
ok you are all wrong. GL only made scripts for 1-6 originally. then in 1993, the Zahn series heir to the empire was written, and GL OFFICIALLY (AS IN, DOCUMENTARY-- YOU CAN CHECK THE BACK OF THE NOVEL, TOO. SO DONT EVEN DARE ARGUE THIS POINT BECAUSE I'LL Alright, settle down there, this is your warning... none of that kind of talk on our forums!) stated that the heir to the empire was the OFFICIAL episodes 7-9. check it if you wish. it says clearly on the back of the novel that it is the "OFFICIAL CONTINUATION OF THE STAR WARS SAGA". so, obviously, GL didnt write heir to the empire. discussion closed.:thumbsup:

Darth Exar Kun
07-18-2002, 11:42 AM
they will be made nnot by lucas but someone elses oh and Lucaz is a crappy director thed best two movis were not directed by lucas 5-6

Kurgan
07-18-2002, 11:54 AM
There are five canon SW novels...

Star Wars, from the Adventures of Luke Skywalker (aka: A New Hope)

Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones

Only the first one was written by George Lucas (in 1976), but all are canon after the films and official screenplays (where they don't contradict the films). Everything else... well, it's not canon (despite bits that might appear in the canon films, like Coruscant). Everything else is "EU" despite it having the official star wars logo on it, and yes, that includes Shadows of the Empire.

Calling the EU novels (and games, and comics) "official" is irrelevant to the canon discussion, because anything bearing the Star Wars logo has to (legally) be officially liscensed. That doesn't mean that it fits the official storyline continuity though.

Look at all the stuff in the EU that is outright contradicted by the prequels, for example... Lucas has stated numerous times (before and right up to the day that TPM was released in theaters)... you might as well forget what you read in the none canon material, it has no bearing on how he'll write the rest of the story.

And no, as plenty of people know, he didn't have the scripts all written before the 1990's, he made most of it up as he went along (for the prequels).

One thing though, I swear that Lucas said in an interview (before TPM) that the Clone Wars would be the story of the Mandalorian supercommandos fighting the Jedi.... I guess he changed his mind, because that's not how it's come out thus far. Oh well. And Lucas explained that he was misunderstood about Episodes 7-9 (any taking place after Return of the Jedi), he was just playing with the idea and hadn't really gotten anything planned for sure. He's gone out and said he won't make them, period.

PS: If SW.com is quoting George directly, and in context, then that's what I'll go with. ; )

MotionMan
07-18-2002, 11:57 AM
Read the 2nd part of my sig . Its straight from StarWars.com:cool:

Jedi_Monk
07-18-2002, 12:00 PM
I don't accept the novelizations as canon... the screenplays, yes... the novelizations based on them, no. There's too much room for an author to go off and slip in his own ideas, concepts and theories, for them to be anything more than uncanonical EU.

I completely disagree with the way Salvatore interpreted Anakin in the AotC novelization.

Also, "Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker" was not written by Lucas, but Alan Dean Foster... no, no, don't point out that George Lucas is given writing credits on the book--it really was ghostwritten by Foster.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

MotionMan
07-18-2002, 12:03 PM
LOL Jedi Monk I was about to get to that in my next post. Anyway thanks for saving me the time;)

Kurgan
07-18-2002, 12:12 PM
Alan Dean Foster, the guy who wrote Splinter of the Mind's Eye (and you're right according to this http://www.starwars.com/eu/news/2001/02/news20010201b.html).

Well, if you want to get technical, they're all "based on stories by George Lucas."

The EU can only make claim to using the liscensed characters. I'll keep looking...

SharaFett
07-18-2002, 12:14 PM
yea- but i'm saying george lucas LEGALLY, OFFICIALLY, ect. DECLARED THAT HEIR TO THE EMPIRE IS, IN FACT, EPISODES 7-9. SAY WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT ABOUT THE REST OF THE EU. I FEEL JUST THE SAME WAY ABOUT EU AS YOU DO. I DONT LIKE THE WHOLE PAALPATINE AND PALPAATINE BUSINESS, BUT HEIR TO THE EIMPIRE IS OFFICIALLY AND LEGALLY EPISODES 7-9

once more, rephrased, IF GEORGE LUCAS WERE TO MAKE EPISODES 7-9 (he isnt), THE SCRIPT WOULD BE LIKE THAT OF THE HEIR TO THE EMPIRE SERIES.

Kurgan
07-18-2002, 12:32 PM
Anybody got a copy of Star Wars Insider #23? Supposedly it says this:

What's "gospel" and what isn't?
"Gospel," or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations. These works spin out of George Lucas' original stories, the rest are written by other writers. However, between us, we've read everything, and much of it is taken into account in the overall continuity. The entire catalog of published works comprises a vast history -- with many off-shoots, variations and tangents -- like any other well-developed mythology.

From the Star Wars Encyclopedia (1997) by Stephen Sansweet

Which brings us to the often-asked question: Just what is Star Wars canon, and what is not? The one sure answer: The Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition -- the three films themselves as executive-produced, and in the case of Star Wars written and directed, by George Lucas, are canon. Coming in a close second we have the authorized adaptations of the films: novels, radio dramas, and comics.

After that, almost everything falls into a category of "quasi-canon."

I just found these on the 'net (SW.com forums to be exact), I'll consider them hearsay until I can confirm....(as I don't own those sources)

Jedi_Monk
07-18-2002, 12:38 PM
once more, rephrased, IF GEORGE LUCAS WERE TO MAKE EPISODES 7-9 (he isnt), THE SCRIPT WOULD BE LIKE THAT OF THE HEIR TO THE EMPIRE SERIES.
No... if Lucas were to make Episodes VII-IX (man, it'd be cool to see an "X" in the title of an SW movie!), they would be original, Lucas-created stories. Heir to the Empire is just as contradictable as anything else in the EU. I vaguely remember the interview you're referring to, and I believe Lucas said that he was finally letting people write post-RotJ because he'd decided not to make any post-RotJ movies. Something like "If anyone wants to find out what happens after Jedi, this is it..." doesn't mean it's canon, just means he's tossing us a bone.

The movie adaptations can't help but reflect some of the canon, as they are telling the stories of the movies. But everything 'between the lines' isn't canonical.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Kurgan
07-18-2002, 01:05 PM
Well, that's about all I can do with it for now, heh...

I figured I was correct to assume that the official screenplays of the films, official novelisations of the films, and official radio dramas of the films were all canon in that order... ie: the non film sources I listed are canon so long as they don't contradict the films themselves and they go in decreasing order of authority.

So the EU, while it might represent official SW continuity, can totally and utterly contradict the films (mainly the prequels) and thus you can see they aren't canon.

I'll leave you with some parting thoughts from Curtis Saxon:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/continuity.html

Darth Talliusc
07-18-2002, 01:17 PM
GL will only do these 6 movies, sorry, i wish it wasnt true but it is. he never actually said that he was going to do 9. that was just crappy media hype that he was too lazy to correct for a while. he has gone on record saying that in 2005 he is going to direct tv stuff, no more movies for a while.... but then again he has been known to change his mind a fair bit

JediGhost[SITH]
07-18-2002, 01:49 PM
Let's picture Episode 5 for a minute:

All the sith are gone, maybe a few cheap stormtroopers here and there are left over from the Empire.

Okay... What's the storyline? Is it some kind of cheap deal like Jedi Outcast (takes place AFTER Episode 4) where Desann comes along?

Goten583
07-18-2002, 01:53 PM
Yeah i think you're kinda slow on that whole story, he was asked it so much by the media. I'm surprised that some people dont know it.:rolleyes: :confused: :eek:

Jedi_Monk
07-19-2002, 03:33 AM
Let's picture Episode 5 for a minute:

All the sith are gone, maybe a few cheap stormtroopers here and there are left over from the Empire.

Okay... What's the storyline? Is it some kind of cheap deal like Jedi Outcast (takes place AFTER Episode 4) where Desann comes along?
Episode 5 is The Empire Strikes Back :eyeraise:

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Divine Spirit
07-19-2002, 03:58 AM
There can never really be an end to this debate.

George Lucas is the uber-controller of Star Wars so whatever he says goes. And if he changes his mind then no one can stop him!

All fear the power of George Lucas!!

:D