View Full Version : Does age or physical fitness affect a Force-user's ability to fight?

Shadow Angel
07-19-2002, 10:54 AM
I've heard arguements questioning Tyranus's and Sidious's ability to fight because of age. Well, since evryone here besides me worships Yoda, I would think that the general consensus here is that age matters not. What do you think?

07-19-2002, 11:01 AM
Yeah, I say look at Yoda he looks just fine. He walks around on a cain,and then when its time to whoop up on somebody he gets goin fast. As for Tyranus's I will give him credit for doing a really good job on Obi and Anakin. :)

Shadow Angel
07-19-2002, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Yoda_623
Yeah, I say look at Yoda he looks just fine. He walks around on a cain,and then when its time to whoop up on somebody he gets goin fast. As for Tyranus's I will give him credit for doing a really good job on Obi and Anakin. :)

Umm... you forgot to vote.

Darth Groovy
07-19-2002, 11:06 AM
Master I have a bad feeling about this. Dooku did have his moment in AOTC, however I forsee that he will get wiped out by Episode 3. I also feel that Yoda would have wiped out Dooku, had he not ran off after distracting master Yoda.

Reb Starblazer
07-19-2002, 11:08 AM
I think that the force can only sustain you for so long. Eventually old age catches up to even Yoda. He may live to be 900, but perhaps his race has a very long lifespan. Not to mention, Tyranus is old as well, and he wiped the floor with those two. If he's like Christophe Lee he should be around 80. He was Qui-Gon's master after all, and Qui-gon was supposedly fairly old also. The question is how old are we talking here? Jedi's live even longer than the average for their species because of the force, but they probably become crippled and etc eventually.
So if they're really, really old, it probably affects their ability to fight. If they're just old, not so much of a difference, but you'll notice. Besides, look at the examples we're using. Tyranus and Yoda, probably two of the greatest force users ever(besides Sidious). So it probably depends on your connection to the force as well. However, using force abilities like levitation, lightening and such, that never goes away I guess. I mean, the Emperor toasted Luke with force lighting, but he could barely walk. So, it all depends. In terms of actual fighting, yes, age matters. Yoda seemed somewhat tired after that battle. If I was jumping around like a five year old on a sugar trip, I'd probably need a cane to walk afterwords too:D As for physical fitness, have you ever seen a fat Jedi?:D I believe my point has been proven.

EDIT: I voted yes, because I feel that eventually, note the word eventually, age does play a part.I was quite tempted to vote for Sidious though. That guy is a frickin' genius.:emperor:

Darth Talliusc
07-19-2002, 11:44 AM
i voted sid owns all, and age simply cant matter THAT much to force ability, sure you still die as you get too old but it doesnt lower your force skill too significantly if at all.

Shadow Angel
07-19-2002, 01:04 PM
Well, I'm glad that some people voted for "Darth Sidious owns all!" That choice really is there for no reason. Anyway, who voted for the top choice besides Starblazer? I didn't expect hardly anyone to vote for it.

Divine Spirit
07-19-2002, 09:22 PM
An issue of the official UK Star Wars Magazine states that the life expectancy in the Star Wars universe is far longer than that of our world. So i doubt that Darth Tyranus is too old to swing his saber. It also explains why Luke is still a young chappie! :D

07-19-2002, 09:35 PM
size and age matter not. look at me. judge me by (why am I quoting star wars?:rolleyes: ). anyway. age doesn't matter. only your ability to think if you're so old that you're a veggie, than you probably won't make a good jedi.

07-20-2002, 03:23 AM
No matter what age you are as long as your can channel the force you can fight with the same speed as yoda.

07-20-2002, 03:47 AM
yes i reckon it does!

a 400 year old yoda would easily beat 900 year old yoda

35 year old obiwan would beat 60 year old obi wan

as long as you dont compare ages across species i reckon its a fair comment

07-20-2002, 06:16 AM
I think it depends on how strong somebody is in the force. In Ep. I Qui-Gon Jinn did not do to well against Darth Maul. That might show that Maul is better than Jinn however Maul gets killed by Jinns apprentice Kenobi who was much younger than Jinn. Qui-Gon Jinns master was Count Dooku who was probably considerably older than Jinn. Dooku wiped the floor with Obi-Wan Kenobi. Then Yoda who was much older than Dooku showed he was better than Dooku. So I guess it all depends.

07-20-2002, 08:21 AM
I don't think there's anything canon that suggests that Jedi have much longer life expectancy than normal people. Originally, using the timeline put forth by Zahn (which was massively contradicted by the Prequels), Obi-Wan was in his 80s in ANH while Palpatine was over 100, I believe. But in the propper Prequel timeline, Obi-Wan is in his mid-50s (approx. 55) while Palpatine is 70-80.

But I agree that the older a Jedi gets, the harder it is for them to do the physical aspects of the Force. I'm sure if Yoda could have still jumped around like what we saw in AotC, he wouldn't have been riding in a backpack in ESB. But he still had the strength to life an X-Wing. All in all, the only limit to a Jedi's Force abilities is their the strength of their will, but when it comes to the physical aspects of the Force, their body just can't handle and maneuver the way it used to.

The Force gives stamina, extra agility and boosted strength, and the Jedi keep themselves fit to accommodate these abilities. But ultimately, they'll become enfeebled by age, like Yoda ultimately was, and their bodies won't be able to cope with the strain of these abilities.


07-20-2002, 09:21 AM
How old was Qui-Gon Jinn when he died 50-55 years old I'm guessing? Count Dooku was Jinns master so he must be at least 20 years older then Jinn and he was fast enough to hold his own against Yoda.

07-20-2002, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Shadow Angel
since evryone here besides me worships Yoda

I don't, I preffer Obi-Wan.

07-20-2002, 11:59 AM
I worship Jango......


no, jedi/sith can just use the force, age does not matter....