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razorace
07-30-2002, 04:36 AM
Personally, I'm betting it involves Jedi and diappearing / reappearing after death. www.starwars.com official states that Yoda is shocked when he hears Qui-Gon's voice in Episode II. My guess is A) Yoda learns the secret of life / death and figures out the disappearing trick or B) it's a pre-sign of a "force balancing" event that Anakin triggers in Episode III. It could be as simple as there being too many jedi "sucking" up all the force in the universe. Maybe. :) What do you guys think?

Razor Ace

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
07-30-2002, 04:54 AM
id say ep III is ganna have

Dooku killing padme, sending anakin in rage and killing dooku using his anger and hate, then he's ganna turn to the dark side and tell every jedi that he is the most powerful (some where in there anakin is ganan betray obi wan) then Obi-Wan is ganna kick his ass. and then its ganna skip a head a few years, when anakin turns to darth vader. and Obi-Wan has to Hide Luke and Leia, and Yoda is ganna hide on The dagobah while obi-wan waits on Tatooien for luke to become his padawan. and all the while vader is ganna be hunting down the Jedi Knights and the Empire is going to take over the Republic, and the Death Star is going to be Built and the rebels are going to form and blah blah.

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
07-30-2002, 04:55 AM
Originally posted by razorace
www.starwars.com official states that Yoda is shocked when he hears Qui-Gon's voice in Episode II.
Razor Ace

when does he hear Qui-Gon's voice?? the only time i remember hearing his voice is when anakin is slatering the tuskin raiders and yoda hears "(qui gon)Anakin! Anakin!(Luke)Nooo*vader breathing*" is that what you're talking about??

BCanr2d2
07-30-2002, 09:09 AM
I don't think was Luke yelling Nooooo, it was still QGJ, IMO it was a shift in the balance of the Force that caused the distortion in his voice.
The shock that Yoda has is that Anakin has killed in such cold blood, can sense his pain.......


As for a truly shocking revelation, we get to see that Sidious ISN'T Palpatine - at least it would surprise a lot of people!!!

Exterminator234
07-30-2002, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by -=|Lyger|=-
id say ep III is ganna have

Dooku killing padme, sending anakin in rage and killing dooku using his anger and hate, then he's ganna turn to the dark side and tell every jedi that he is the most powerful (some where in there anakin is ganan betray obi wan) then Obi-Wan is ganna kick his ass. and then its ganna skip a head a few years, when anakin turns to darth vader. and Obi-Wan has to Hide Luke and Leia, and Yoda is ganna hide on The dagobah while obi-wan waits on Tatooien for luke to become his padawan. and all the while vader is ganna be hunting down the Jedi Knights and the Empire is going to take over the Republic, and the Death Star is going to be Built and the rebels are going to form and blah blah.

hey! uve seen the movie havent you! :D

Darth Talliusc
07-30-2002, 10:15 AM
i dont believe dooku will kill padme sorry, i think anakin will. young boba fetts been trained right now by dookues ppl, he will kill mace windu. obi-wan will blame himself and dooku for anakin goin to the darkside and either anakin or obi-wan OR palatine will kill dooku. there will be the whole stuff about jedi after death revealed, (read the book of the movie, its not EU its just more explained version of the movie, yoda is surprised by qui-gons voice.) plus at starwars.com they have had some q&a about the jedi visions after death and the body disappearing. they have said on record that it will be explained in ep3. anakin will be angry about the loss of his one true love, and attack obi-wan. obi-wan kicks his ass and leaves him for dead. the last scenes of the movie will be a shot of darth vader in his black armour (possibly killing a jedi) and baby leia in the arms of bail organa (the guy with the weird mustache in ep2 who was at the last scene on the balcony with palps jarjar and such) obi wan taking baby luke to owen lars.




oh and by the way. in ep1 when they are talking about the elections for the next supreme chancellor panak mentions senator "Bail ANTILLES from alderaan" i swear he meant to say organa but he didnt, anybody understand this? i mean antilles is a correllian name not an alderaanian name so i doubt that it was just some OTHER senator bail from that planet.

Darth_Lando
07-30-2002, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by BCanr2d2


As for a truly shocking revelation, we get to see that Sidious ISN'T Palpatine - at least it would surprise a lot of people!!!

Well I will let you in to one of the biggest spoilers in EP3.

When the Jedi Council thinks they have figured out that Palpatine is the Sith who has infiltrated the Senate, Yoda and Mace Windu surprise him with a visit. During the confrontation they kill Palpatine and they begin to wonder why he was so easy to kill then out of no where Sidious attacks and kills Mace Windu and nearly kills Yoda. What is revealed is that Palpatine is Sidious's forceless clone whom Sidious used to do his bidding and infiltrate the Senate without the Jedi's knowledge.

methodman244
07-30-2002, 11:46 AM
As Darth Talliusc mentioned it goes into a bit more depth in the books -

Yoda was in a very deep state of meditation with the force and has second highest mediclorian count and is the second most powerful jedi with the force (anaikin first) of which would be able to see/hear/feel things others cannot.

also what Anakin was doing by slaughtering kids/animals etc was so horrifc and that force was so strong with him and that anakin can not properly control the force to extent of his thoughts such completly, he was very close to Qui gon and seemed bring
Qui gon feeling / emotions into the force hence yoda being suprised and also not mentioning this to mace windu as i don't think yoda was completly sure of what happened


From what i believe (and read) Qui gon is actually DEAD and not at one with the force - because he never expected to die

Reasons -

when Obi won dies at the hands of vader he closes his eyes and projects himself into force - he new he was going to die physically

Yoda does the same before he falls asleep and so does vader/anakin in the last saga when luke takes his helmet off:fett:

Darth Knight
07-30-2002, 12:04 PM
you people think you know what is gonna happen but you really don't you have no idea what can happen for all you know jar jar could really be an intelligent sith master

Old_Ben
07-30-2002, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Darth Knight
you people think you know what is gonna happen but you really don't you have no idea what can happen for all you know jar jar could really be an intelligent sith master

You know if that happened everyone would claim that he had always been there favorite character and that he was great in TPM.

Reb Starblazer
07-30-2002, 12:10 PM
Speaking of Jar Jar, if they do get rid of him in Episode III, I'd like to see it done in a good way. I would love to see Jar Jar jump in front of Padme, taking a blaster shot meant for her. Thus, saving her life, Luke and Leia's(Padme being pregnant at the time) and therefore pretty much the whole galaxy. The galaxy, saved by a silly Gungan that everyone loves to hate. The "Jar Jar haters club" would be in an uproar then, that's for sure ;)
It would bring a bit of "Honour" to character that a lot of people hate. Give him a good purpose in the Star Wars universe, and a reason for people to not hate him so much. He'd definitely win my respect after that kind of sacrifice but then again, I think TPM was good, Jar Jar and all.:D

00M-187
07-30-2002, 01:06 PM
OK, here it goes... EPISODE 3

Obi Wan does not know of Anakins infactuation and marriage to Padme. When he finds out he confronts Anakin telling him that this cannot be, it goes against the code. Anakin infuriated snaps and thinks that it is because Obiwan is in love with Padme. They dual and Anakin falls into a lava pit. Palpatine is aware of this and even had a part in setting up the dual, (secretly) Palpatine\Sidious liftes Anakin's damaged body out of the lava pit, and brings him to Korriban. The home planet of the Sith, where he rebuilds him as Darth Vader and trains him. He tells Anakin that Obiwan is in love with Padme and that that him being trained as a jedi caused his mothers death. Meanwhile Dooku learns of this and confronts his master, Anakin\Vader easily destroys Dooku. Meanwhile Padme is pregnant. Yoda knows of everything now, Obi wan, Yoda, Mace Windu and all the rest of the Jedi move to confront Sidios and Vader. A giant battle scene occurs between the Sith and the Jedi, Most of the jedi are killed in this battle including Mace Windu. Obi Wan and Yoda escape narrowly, with Padme. Anakin\Vader who now truly believes that the Jedi have ruined his life and taken everything be cares about from him begins the "Jedi Purges" where he moves to destroy all jedi.

With the help of Boba Fett Anakin finds the hiding place of Obiwan and Padme which is Dagobah. Vader arrives and confronts Obi Wan again. (meanwhile Yoda is on Alderaan consulting Bail Organa to form a resistance to the Republic) (IE: the beginning to the rebellion) The battle betweed Vader and Obiwan on Dagobah is fierce, Obi wan defeats Vader again. Padme discusted with Anakin\Vader tells him that she hates him and that she actually is in love with Obi Wan. They depart leaving Anakin\Vader lying there mortally wounded physically and mentally. Vader with his mechanical knowledge repairs himself with parts from his Tie Advanced fighter, returns to his master and never returns to Dagabah again. Padme has Luke and Leia, Luke is brought to Tatooine to the place where he knows Anakin\Vader will never return (because of his mothers death). Leia is brought by Yoda and Padme to Bail Organa on Alderaan. Yoda goes to Dagobah, (he knows he will be safe there because that is where Padme told Anakin\Vader that she does not love him and hates him) Vader continues his search to destroy the Jedi for they have heart him terribly. He finds Padme and captures her, he then tries to win her love back, Padme discusted with now Vader tells him never, and that she would rather die, Anakin\Vader then kills her out of rage. Then we have EP4

razorace
07-30-2002, 03:09 PM
Wow, some very good ideas guys! 00M-187 theory sounds good but I really doubt Lucas will reveal Vader = Anakin until ESB. Otherwise it would take away the shock factor.

I also like Darth_Lando's clone theory. Lucas HASN'T stated that palpy 100% = sidy yet. Plus, that could explain the "height" problem people mention.

Reb Starblazer, I agree that Jar Jar dieing in such a way would be ironic but I don't think we'll see Jar Jar die. It would probably upset the kiddies too much. All heros in the movies die quickly and bloodlessy.

I still think something is up with the Force and Death. Go read this (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/yoda/index.html) and remember that Lucas has repeatly said that this is an important plot point. I think Lucas is setting this up so we can watch the episode 4-6s in a new light once episode III is done. AND you just wait and see, Lucas is going do another re-release of the original trilogy after he finishes III.

Darth Knight
07-30-2002, 03:26 PM
just becasue he has said that dosen't mean that it will be he can eb saying soemthing just to make people think one way

razorace
07-30-2002, 04:42 PM
Good point, but Lucas has been pretty consistant with his responses ever since he started making Episode I.

Darth Groovy
07-30-2002, 04:51 PM
During the scene where Obi wan is fighting annakin above that volcano, We then flash to Spaceball one where Dark Helmet and Col Sanders are watching the fight on the widescreen monitor, Dark Helmet asks Col. Sanders to pause the movie so he can take a leak, then the screen goes black..........


Dark Helmet: "Great you turned off the whole ####ing movie!"

Col. Sanders: "Sorry sir, I'm sure it's only a glitch."

Dark Helmet: "####, even in the future nothing works!"

razorace
07-30-2002, 04:55 PM
Now, THAT would be a plot twist. :)

BCanr2d2
07-31-2002, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by Darth Talliusc

oh and by the way. in ep1 when they are talking about the elections for the next supreme chancellor panak mentions senator "Bail ANTILLES from alderaan" i swear he meant to say organa but he didnt, anybody understand this? i mean antilles is a correllian name not an alderaanian name so i doubt that it was just some OTHER senator bail from that planet.

Remember that there is Wedge Antilles in the original movies, so this is probably a link towards that instead of towards Organa. For all we know Bail is as common on Alderaan as John is here......

Exterminator234
07-31-2002, 07:18 AM
yeah well ive been to Alderaan and its not bail. the most popular name is....there are no names. sadly, Alderaan was desroyed :( :D

Jedi_Monk
07-31-2002, 03:52 PM
Originally, it was going to be Bail Organa and an actor was even cast for the part... But Lucas decided at the last minute that he wanted Organa to be younger, and so cut him completely out of the movie, replacing him with Bail Antilles. Now, Bail isn't a name, it's a title... and remember that the captain of Leia's starship at the beginning of ANH was an Alderaanian named Captain Antilles, so it's clear that Antilles isn't a regional name.

Alright... my take on SW3: It'll start with the last battle of the Clone Wars which takes place on Alderaan. Obi-Wan is serving as general, leading the Clone Army against the droid army of the Sepratists which is being commanded by Dooku himself. Obi-Wan with Anakin challenge Dooku, this time taking him at once and capture him, ending the Battle and bringing about the end of the Sepratist movement. Under interrogation, Dooku continues to insist that Palpatine is a Sith Lord, and the Jedi decide that with the war over they can check up on this lead to either confirm or deny it.

The Jedi fall into Palpatine's trap with their investigation. Palpatine claims that the Jedi are trying to undermine democracy and due process and with the backing of the majority of Senators, declairs the decommissioning and disolvement of the Jedi Order.

For the rest of it... I don't know... but I'm pretty sure about the above two senarios.

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razorace
07-31-2002, 04:16 PM
Another good theory. But I doubt even Palpatine could order the extremination of the Jedi Order just because they "undermine democracy and due process" Personally, I think the Jedi learn the truth and Palpatine labels them more Sepratists and sics the clone army on them.

teutonicknight
07-31-2002, 04:30 PM
oh and by the way. in ep1 when they are talking about the elections for the next supreme chancellor panak mentions senator "Bail ANTILLES from alderaan" i swear he meant to say organa but he didnt, anybody understand this? i mean antilles is a correllian name not an alderaanian name so i doubt that it was just some OTHER senator bail from that planet.

Amem...

The offical answer (http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20000717.html)

:cool:

HertogJan
08-03-2002, 09:34 AM
I think we will see Anakin fall into the vulcano in EP3! Later on, you get to see Vader slashing some Jedi, but you won't know he is anakin!

Anywayz, it will be a hard job to make a good prequel for EP4... All the facts :eek: :eek:

KHMPtolemaic
08-03-2002, 09:48 AM
No, No, no. The shocking result for E3 will be...........


Please say the following in Darth Vader Voice

** Austin, Austin Powers.............I am your father!**


No not really.


But Padme will become one of my Fem Bots

Muhahahahahahaha

Muhahahahahahaha

*pinky to the lip* evil grin ;)

I shall rule the Universe...................

razorace
08-11-2002, 04:08 AM
While watching ESB, I noticed a interesting comment tying into the whole life/death thing. During his Binding Force speech he says "inluminus beings are we, not this crude matter." Perhaps a sutle reverse foreshadowing? :)

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
08-11-2002, 04:28 AM
you got a good point there buddy, maybe the all knowing yoda doesnt kno everything in ep II as he is cracked up to be, maybe in ep III he learns that "inluminus beings are we, not this crude matter." huh? huh? yeah i think thats it

razorace
08-11-2002, 04:55 AM
Here's another one:

I bet there's a event in Episode III where someone profices that a Skywalker will destroy the Emporer. Both the Good guys and Bad guys seem to be operating on this proficy. This may be a important event in III.

munik
08-11-2002, 04:56 AM
Jedi_Monk says:
Originally, it was going to be Bail Organa and an actor was even cast for the part... But Lucas decided at the last minute that he wanted Organa to be younger, and so cut him completely out of the movie, replacing him with Bail Antilles. Now, Bail isn't a name, it's a title... and remember that the captain of Leia's starship at the beginning of ANH was an Alderaanian named Captain Antilles, so it's clear that Antilles isn't a regional name.

You must have watched a different Episode II then everyone else.

Because in epII Bail Organa was there, near the start. I think he might have had a line or two, but no one referred to him by name. Jimmy Smits played him, a popular actor from T.V. shows. Watch the credits at the end of the film, it says:


Bail Organa...........................Jimmy Smits


That would be a dead give away. The part was not cut. No idea where you came up with that. Here is a cast listing (http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/cast.html) of Episode II, conveniently located at the www.starwars.com website. 10 characters down is Bail Organa, played by Jimmy Smits.

razorace
08-11-2002, 05:08 AM
Actually, he was talking about episode I. There was a 10 year gap inbetween I and II, that's a 10 year difference in Organa's age.

munik
08-11-2002, 05:14 AM
I see, I took his post out of context.


Woops.

thehomicidalegg
08-12-2002, 06:43 AM
i think that sidious will coax anakin into fighting dooku, much like how he tried to do that to luke with vader in Rotj the only difference being he'll succeed with anakin

Sivy
08-12-2002, 08:26 AM
I think Anakin will kill Dooku and take his place at sidious side, but not because Padme is killed. I don't think padme will be killed. Leia says in in ROTJ that he remembers her mother, Nat Portman has said that she will be pregnant in EP III.
Rick McCullam says that Vader will accumulate his costume during the course of Ep III which means that Anakin must turn into Vader quite early on in the film.

razorace
08-12-2002, 01:55 PM
If vader is in the film, we will not be told or hinted that he's Anakin. It's possible that Anakin secretly spends part of his time as Vader to help the Emporer. Ether way, seeing Vader battle with the "newer" saber combat would kick @$$.

Def_star
08-12-2002, 09:34 PM
my prediction:

Anikan and padme make love. have two babies. Anikan knows he must give them up or he cannot be a jedi or whatnot. The council finds out, he is no longer a jedi. so he goes to the last person he trusts, palpetine.

Sivy
08-12-2002, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Def_star
my prediction:

Anikan and padme make love.

I think that might jeopardise the film's rating

razorace
08-12-2002, 09:48 PM
hehe. yeah. :)

Anyway, back on topic. It doesn't make sense to kick a person out of the Jedi Order. It's like kicking a person out of jail because they're TOO violent. The Jedi'd would just keep an eye on him and try to prevent him falling to the Dark Side. (Remember the cut "Fallen Twenty" speech. Only 20 Jedi had ever left the Order in it's current form.) Anakin's going to have to leave on his own.

Jedi_Monk
08-13-2002, 01:57 AM
The fallen Twenty all left of their own free will, as far as I know... I doubt the Jedi would memorialize the ones who were "dishonorably discharged", so to speak. And Obi-Wan keeps telling Anakin that he can't have Padme... being with her would "break" his commitment to the Jedi Order... choosing her over his duty as a Jedi would get him expelled from the Jedi Order.

My take: Anakin will get expelled, go haywire... he knows he can't go to Obi-Wan because "he won't understand", so he goes to someone who does understand him... that would be Palpatine. Palpatine tells him the secret, offers to help him take revenge and Darth Vader is born. While the other Jedi are hunted down as opponents to democracy (or sepratists, which I can't really see after their battle on Geonosis), Anakin stands beside Palpatine as his lieutenant.

Naboo is going to be ripped to pieces by Anakin searching for Padme, I think.

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razorace
08-13-2002, 02:33 AM
But like I said before, it wouldn't make sense to kick someone out of the Order. The Order isn't suppose to be a political / police orginization, they simply teach people in the ways of the Light Side of the Force. They'd make all attempts to keep a possible Dark Sider in the Order to help they stay on the path of the Light Side. To kick them out is to shun the person and almost guartee that he falls to the Dark Side.

Darth Groovy
08-13-2002, 03:04 AM
Padme and Anakin find out they are brother and sister.

What? I'm serious!

razorace
08-13-2002, 04:12 AM
That'd been seriously messed up. I doubt Lucas would let Luke and Leia be inbreeds. It's too kinky and sexual for a Lucas film.

Darth Groovy
08-13-2002, 04:14 AM
I think it is possible, that would add to the tension of luke and leai's potential romance in the original trilogy.

razorace
08-13-2002, 04:40 AM
Well, it's possible but i don't think that's Lucas's style. He's got a real strict rule of limited sexuality in his movies. Sides, wouldn't that mess up the movie's rating? I'm sure that would scare some parents off.

Darth Groovy
08-13-2002, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by razorace
Well, it's possible but i don't think that's Lucas's style. He's got a real strict rule of limited sexuality in his movies. Sides, wouldn't that mess up the movie's rating? I'm sure that would scare some parents off.

Well deep down I am hoping it doesn't happen, but I have this funny feeling that it is possible at this point. It would corospond with classic myth theories, if Lucas is still in to that sort of thing.

razorace
08-13-2002, 04:59 AM
I doubt it's going to happen. It would require a explaination for why Padme's "family" lied about her parentage AND why Anakin's mother lied as well. It's just too much explaination for the average movie crowd.