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JediNyt
07-31-2002, 10:19 PM
In ep2 Mace has an electrum lightsaber not the usual crystal type. What is an electrum lightsaber and how is it different? Anyone know? One things for sure that purple has something to do with it.

MotionMan
07-31-2002, 10:30 PM
Aperantly "electrum" means to have a saber with markings that indicate your in the council or head of the council. In Mace's case it has golden colored parts.
http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/jocasta/img/mace_saber2_sm.jpg

Others think its because the light saber doesnt use crystals. It is all elecrtroinic. The crystal theory is EU though.

Norin Radd
07-31-2002, 10:49 PM
The electrum has a different internal design than the traditional Crystal lightsabers of the Jedi order. It is indeed more electronic than the normal Jedi sabers. And to put to rest a rumour, the fact that the saber is electrum has nothing to do with the color of the blade. So NO! Sam Jackson's blade being purple was a matter of personal choice.:D

JediNyt
08-01-2002, 12:55 AM
Ok but why not just stick with the crystal saber? Is the electrum better in any way like reliability or something?

And no MotionMan, the crystal type is not EU its canon. A few of the ep2 trailers said crystal lightsaber as well as electrum lightsaber and anyone can have gold markings if they want. Not me though, Id have an all black hilt.:cool:

Oh are there any other types of saber construction besides the 2 were talking about? Anyone?

MotionMan
08-01-2002, 01:27 AM
Look in SW.com. The only places youll see references to the crystals are in the EU parts.
The crystal could be semi canon as I read about them in the visual dictionaries. Even so it is considered non-canon for the simple fact it is not discused in the movies.

Norin Radd
08-01-2002, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by DarkJediNut
Ok but why not just stick with the crystal saber? Is the electrum better in any way like reliability or something?

And no MotionMan, the crystal type is not EU its canon. A few of the ep2 trailers said crystal lightsaber as well as electrum lightsaber and anyone can have gold markings if they want. Not me though, Id have an all black hilt.:cool:

Oh are there any other types of saber construction besides the 2 were talking about? Anyone?

From what I have read, electrum lightsabers are a hierarchal privilege of the Jedi council members, only they are allowed to have them. Mace Windu built his electrum saber as a symbol of his ascension to the Jedi Council.

The only other variation of lightsaber that I am aware of are the Sith lightsabers which use a synthetic crystal unlike the Jedi Knights. This crystal gives their blades a slightly more intense focus.:D

Jaster21801
08-01-2002, 06:40 PM
And no MotionMan, the crystal type is not EU its canon. A few of the ep2 trailers said crystal lightsaber as well as electrum lightsaber and anyone can have gold markings if they want.

Did you hear some stuff that no one else in the movie heard? Cuz they never ever EVER mentioned using crystals in sabers or even electrum for that matter. So MotionMan is right, it is EU.

JediNyt
08-01-2002, 08:14 PM
Did you even read my post? I said it was shown in the trailers. Not the movie itself, the trailers had it. And the trailers have to be canon. Can you prove me wrong? Find the trailers at sw.com and see for yourself.

Exar Kun II
08-01-2002, 08:45 PM
OK, the crystals are mentionioned in the LIGHTSABER TECHNOLOGY synopsis here:


http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/lightsaber/eu.html


However, the crystals are discussed indepth here:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/ilum/index.html

So, since it is outside the EU section of the site, that would make the crystals canon.

Am I right? Or am I totally incorrect?:D

MotionMan
08-01-2002, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Exar Kun II
OK, the crystals are mentionioned in the LIGHTSABER TECHNOLOGY synopsis here:


http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/lightsaber/eu.html


However, the crystals are discussed indepth here:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/ilum/index.html

So, since it is outside the EU section of the site, that would make the crystals canon.

Am I right? Or am I totally incorrect?:D

If you click on both links and look just above of the pics. There are 3 tabs. They are:
-The Movies
-Expanded Universe
-Behind the scenes

Both of the links you gave are under the "Expanded Universe" tab
There is your answer. They are EU:)

Exar Kun II
08-01-2002, 09:23 PM
OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH


Didn't see the tabs, I was going by the EU.HTML extension in the URL. Cool.:D

Kryllith
08-02-2002, 01:24 PM
Sheesh, didn't anyone here play 1st edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons? Electrum is a natural metal alloy which results of a combination of gold and silver (in 1st ed AD&D, Electrum pieces were the equalent to 10 silver pieces or 1/2 of a gold piece). It's not a crystal, so it wouldn't be used in the composition of the blade (except perhaps as a conductor for tranmitting electricity). In the creation of the saber, electrum would most like be used as either a base metal for the construction of the hilt or for engraving the hilt.

This, of course, assumes that the EU presentation of using crystals to focus the blade (which make sense, since lasers are produced through the use of crystals)...

Kryllith

ET Warrior
08-02-2002, 02:02 PM
And the trailers have to be canon. Can you prove me wrong? Find the trailers at sw.com and see for yourself.

Well, in the trailers there was a part where obiwans says to anakin "You haven't learned anything." That was not in the movie, and thusly might not be canon......so the trailers are not necissarily canon...:D

Kryllith
08-02-2002, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior


Well, in the trailers there was a part where obiwans says to anakin "You haven't learned anything." That was not in the movie, and thusly isn't canon......so the trailers are not really canon...:D
Maybe, maybe not. I think this falls along the same lines as the deleted scene question...

Kryllith

ET Warrior
08-02-2002, 06:14 PM
I edited what i said to sound more like i had intended it.

Jaster21801
08-02-2002, 11:50 PM
Why can't people simply understand the argument between canon vs. non-canon? It really isn't that hard to grasp. Any thing in the actual MOVIES is canon. Everything else falls into different categories. I know someone can post the chain cuz I don't remember it offhand, but in short, the trailers are not necessarily canon. Remember, Return of the Jedi was called REVENGE of the Jedi at one point and that was in a whole bunch of stuff, that doesn't make it official.

Norin Radd
08-03-2002, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by Kryllith
Sheesh, didn't anyone here play 1st edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons?

Kryllith

No, I never have, but I do remember someone mentioning that electrum had to do with the metal of the hilt.:D

Kryllith
08-03-2002, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Jaster21801
Why can't people simply understand the argument between canon vs. non-canon? It really isn't that hard to grasp. Any thing in the actual MOVIES is canon. Everything else falls into different categories. I know someone can post the chain cuz I don't remember it offhand, but in short, the trailers are not necessarily canon. Remember, Return of the Jedi was called REVENGE of the Jedi at one point and that was in a whole bunch of stuff, that doesn't make it official.
Actually, it's not QUITE as limited as that. Anything that Lucas says/writes/indicates about what goes on in the Star Wars story is canon (whether it's in the movies or not). He may have left things out because of time constraints of because he couldn't get certain things to work (technological limitations, though this shouldn't be that much of a problem in the later movies), but that doesn't make them less canonical. If he says it's that way, then that's the way it is (provided it's the final form... he might change things through the course of presenting something).

Kryllith

JediNyt
08-03-2002, 03:30 PM
Kryllith your are soo right. OK electrum has something to do with the metal on the saber hilt showing rank or privilage. (Yoda probably has one too they just dont say it) Mace has purple cause Sam asked for it but does that mean purple sabers really exist? Dunno. The trailers are canon cause lucas made all the stuff thats in them. This thread has been concluded.

The End

ET Warrior
08-03-2002, 03:54 PM
yes, purple sabers really exist. We saw a purple saber in the movie, therefore it DOES exist. And trailers are not necissarily canon. Lucas could have taken out what was in the trailer because he felt that he didn't want that as part of star wars, and thusly it becomes not-canon

MotionMan
08-03-2002, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by DarkJediNut
Kryllith your are soo right. OK electrum has something to do with the metal on the saber hilt showing rank or privilage. (Yoda probably has one too they just dont say it) Mace has purple cause Sam asked for it but does that mean purple sabers really exist? Dunno. The trailers are canon cause lucas made all the stuff thats in them. This thread has been concluded.

The End

Heh.Oh no no no no my son this isnt over yet;)
Purple sabers do exsist cause we see mace using one in ep.2
If it is in the movies-it is sw reality.

ET Warrior
08-03-2002, 04:20 PM
Ha! I beat you to that one, MotionMan! ;)

MotionMan
08-03-2002, 05:18 PM
LOL:)

JediNyt
08-04-2002, 02:02 AM
Ok if purple sabers do exist then why does no one else have one hmmm? And dont talk about Sam Jackson. If what you say is true then there is another reason besides Jacksons request.

Exar Kun II
08-04-2002, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by DarkJediNut
Ok if purple sabers do exist then why does no one else have one hmmm? And dont talk about Sam Jackson. If what you say is true then there is another reason besides Jacksons request.

Sorry to disappoint you DarjJediNut, but there is no other reason. It was a request made by a wonderful actor to a director. Said director, who greatly admired this actor approved his request. It was agreed that the purple saber would have a dual purpose. It would satisfy Sam Jackson's request and allow him to stand out in the Geonosis arena battle. I don't understand why this is a constant subject of debate. It is beginning to get quite tiresome.

You could argue the same point against Darth Maul's double ended lightsaber(do not mention Exar Kun, because he was EU). It had never been seen before in the films. R2-D2's propulsion packs had never been utilized either.

Since George Lucas had never disqualified the possibility of a purple lightsaber, he was free to have that option if he wished.

If you wish to approach it from a pragmatic perspective, Mace Windu is one of the most legendary Jedi in the history of the order. If he chooses a hue for his lightsaber that is outside the "normal" spectrum of colors, no one would deny that he has earned that right. :D

JediNyt
08-04-2002, 03:35 AM
Makes sense ok. Purple now exists in canon cause Sam wanted it even though he was the only one to have it. So now maybe more Jedi will have one in ep 3. Maybe. And ya Im sure Mace earned the right. Yoda just likes green better anyway.

I did try to end this thread but people decided not to but thx for your input now we can officially end it.