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remark 666
08-06-2002, 05:17 PM
hey guys, look at what our famous BOFH thinks about JediMod 1.2, isn't he nice

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=4355&action=expand#42311

here, if you don't want to read all that

BOFH #56 - 1.2 blows - Posted by: Guest (24-29-113-210.nyc.rr.com) on 08-05-2002 at 18:23

Everyone, 1.2 blows... Jesus, the hilt pack sucks because the icons are so damned dark. I've played JediMOD through 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, and 1.2

Ya know what.. the higher the version number the better.. **** 1.2

and here Dest writes

Dest #62 - Guess who posted #56 - Posted by: Guest (123.84.35.65.cfl.rr.com) on 08-05-2002 at 20:44

the ip that posted comment #56: 24-29-113-210.nyc.rr.com

bofh's ip off of irc:
BOFH is hoffmanj@24-29-113-210.nyc.rr.com * Guitarist
BOFH on #jediknight

notice some simliarities? He sure is a pissy one. He doesn't seem to realize that people wouldn't download his mod if it didnt include mine. Wonder why he posted as a guest....

and here is what I say

remark #666 - **** You BOFH!!!! lammer

remark 666
08-06-2002, 05:26 PM
from jk2files.net

-all together

JediMod Official (v1.2) - jedimod1_2.zip 08-04-2002 3610 5.44 MB

JediMod++ (v3.0) - jediplus3.zip 08-02-2002 2205 712.17 KB

-this week

1. JediMod Official (v1.2) - (Mods > Multiplayer) - 3610+ growing fast

5. JediMod++ (v3.0) - (Mods > Multiplayer) - 1145 not gowing

I think he's jelous

remark 666
08-06-2002, 05:31 PM
and BOFH is sighned up there too, not like he posted as guest JUST because he isn't sighned up =/

scared to show who he really is he's the only one to post something bad about it, what a lammer, I hate him even more now.

and BOFH, you ****head, you're not even allowed to use my "crappy" hilt pack or the "too dark and crappy" icons in ANY of your releases, make your own stuff dip****.

NITEMARE
08-06-2002, 10:59 PM
woah!
forget bin laden! get this one first!
*ironic*heh but the hiltpacl is realy to dark! and i hate it! *ironic*
wOOhooo
hehe this guy has issues, DUDE
we need more communication with download centers. so they dont put mods like that which are meant to do damage to the community! this guy is a mod scene terrorist and wants to take us all down! get him now! u hear me bush? we could send some german gsg9 mofos over, i'll talk with our chieftain about this!

jipe
08-07-2002, 12:50 AM
Who gives a ****? You all need to grow up - they're just friggin mods.

Emon
08-07-2002, 12:50 AM
Ironic? You mean sarcastic...

Isn't BOFH the guy who's doing the crappy JM++ mods? Why would he be putting down the mod which his is based off of? His mod wouldn't exist without Dest releasing the code.

Subject452
08-07-2002, 06:37 AM
"what's his age again?" ........lamer.....

Dest
08-07-2002, 01:30 PM
BOFH says multiple people use his cable modem and he's never tried JediMod v1.2... not quite sure I belive that one 100%...

t3rr0r
08-07-2002, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Emon
Isn't BOFH the guy who's doing the crappy JM++ mods?
yep.

DeadlyBOFH
08-07-2002, 02:39 PM
JediMOD++ 3.0 is the last version that will be called JediMOD++

The next version is taking a complete turn for the better, and will be called JediPLUS. It will include the ability to select your saber hilts seperately via pressing a menu like the one you press for force powers, full admin functions (all but ban and motd by ME, and fully functional), part of JK2++ added in, but completely able to be turned off (mod_jk2PP 0), ability to bind ALL controls in the UI, ability to have the inner color of the saber different from the outer, 2 brand new force ranks, the ability to allow players to use both sides of the force (possible, only with one of the new ranks), BUGFIX on SLEEP, a meditation command (if allowed by server, makes force recover 2x as fast.), bolting the saber to your waist, bowing at the waist for duels, a nice backstab animation to jump and stab someone downward... and lots more.

TheWhiteRaider
08-07-2002, 06:10 PM
I think he shouldn't trash mods like that that was childish act.
Well I can say both partys were guilty Remark wasn't nice either because now you are hating the hater. I'm not speaking for either side I'm saying that both were uncalled for and a warning to remark is if a Moderator sees your cussing he might kick you off of this forum because it isn't in stars or anything it's a down right cussing and it violates the rules.

Emon
08-07-2002, 11:36 PM
Trashing a mod is one thing, trashing it without trying it is another.

An absolute ignorant, biased and moronic assumption such as that runs the greatest level of stupidity that has never been rivaled by any other being to ever walk on the face of this planet.

Thank you, have a nice day.

idontlikegeorge
08-08-2002, 01:00 AM
hehe forum drama.... need to go get some popcorn

remark 666
08-08-2002, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by Emon
Trashing a mod is one thing, trashing it without trying it is another.

An absolute ignorant, biased and moronic assumption such as that runs the greatest level of stupidity that has never been rivaled by any other being to ever walk on the face of this planet.

Thank you, have a nice day.

who were you talking to ?

and he can ban me, it's called IP change ;) (and if that doesn't work, boom, 56k, nothing can stop that)

just saying few of the many ways to get around a vb PLUS there're VERY easy ways to hack into forums, de-admin everyone on them, make yourself and admin and have all the fun you want, easily done too, if you've had a vb for a long time (*cough*) then you know it's a major flaw (on top of all that the forum is 2.2.5), not saying me or anyone I know knows how to do that OR would even try *cough**cough**cough* ....I've got a cold *cough* right...

glad to hear jediplus is going for the better but why ignore the topic ? still waiting for some type of response.... =/

NITEMARE
08-08-2002, 03:04 AM
well remark666 the last post was not of a genius sort...
that puts u in the same spot with the other chaos damage kiddies...
it sounds like a threat to the admins. u are not taking distance to the lamers who just want to damage the community, u just hate one of your kind because his chaotic ways crossed yours...
or am i wrong? (heh)

DeadlyBOFH
08-08-2002, 12:56 PM
I wasnt trashing the ****in mod..

I have 3 people sharing the cable modem in my place, 2 play JK2.
My little brother liked 3.0 so he decided to trash 1.2

Personally, i've tried 1.2, and i found it quite good, though the sleep bug is annoying and i'm going to fix that in JediPLUS.

NITEMARE
08-08-2002, 01:12 PM
yeah and my little brother gave birth to adolf hilter.
damn those evil little brothers!

ASk
08-08-2002, 02:08 PM
it does not matter if this was your "little brother"
If it was your IP, you are the one held responsible.

Kinda like saying to the judge: it was my little brother who took my gun and shot the guy.

NITEMARE
08-08-2002, 06:03 PM
i believe him tho.
but now to a real evil chos damage kiddie: Chewcaca_Dookie !!
when do they bann this guy again? i hope soon!

TheWhiteRaider
08-08-2002, 09:36 PM
Remark though they can kick your account and if anyone tries to make an account with the same email or IP they are forbiden to enter. Not just that then you will also have to be quiet if a moderator sees that the two accounts are owned by the same person they with ban that account too. I know someone who works for L.A. forums.

Oh well just don't get your self completely banned we still need you.

razorace
08-08-2002, 11:31 PM
It seems to me that BOFH has a good reason for the bad comments on JK2files. I doubt BOFH is TRYING to just mess with the official JediMod releases. If Dest has worked out the name problem with him, the issue is over.

Razor Ace

remark 666
08-10-2002, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by razorace
It seems to me that BOFH has a good reason for the bad comments on JK2files. I doubt BOFH is TRYING to just mess with the official JediMod releases. If Dest has worked out the name problem with him, the issue is over.

Razor Ace

you don't know the full story

Dest let him use the name because he thought the guy was going to do a lot of editing to the mod (whatever they talked about) but BOFH made 2/3 small edits and released, later Dest himself told BOFH to change the name of the mod to JediPlus but he didn't listen and released JediMod++ 3.0 anyways...

NITEMARE, I wasn't "threatening" the admins, I was simply replying to Emons post, geez!! ;) ;) ;)

and TheWhiteRaider, I'll stick around for a while, can't let the scripts thread die out ;)

and what sleep bug ? ( <-- wasn't a real question) just do mod_emotes 1 and sleep will be turned off ^_^ and are you going to make your own hilt pack too ? my is only for JediMod 1.2

razorace
08-10-2002, 01:20 PM
Didn't BOFH state that 3.0 was the last release before the name change?

-Chrono_MOT-
08-10-2002, 02:07 PM
...the whole point being that Dest told BOFH to not use the name JediMod, and BOFH told Dest that he would be changing the name BEFORE 3.0 - instead, he released it under JediMod 3.0 anyways, therefore undermining Dest's request.

Ace, you've posted in almost every forum defending the people who get attacked. At least make an effort to know who is the good guy and who is the bad guy before you post any kind of idiotic wisdom.

razorace
08-10-2002, 02:51 PM
Well, people around here seem to just flame each other rather than actually communicate. Flaming solves nothing and it just clogs up the boards. Complaining the most never makes you right. Sides, people are just @$$s in general, don't let the them distract you from making your Mods and releasing them for others to enjoy.

If BOFH isn't cooperating with Dest, Dest needs to ether get the major D/L sites to change the name or change the Mod to open source "on request".

Dest
08-10-2002, 02:55 PM
he is actually going to be releaseing the next version under the name JediPlus

DarthDarth
08-10-2002, 03:53 PM
Infact I have now played both JediMod 1.2 and JediMod++ 3.0 I must say, JediMod 1.2 royaly owns ++crap. It's so much better that I'll never play any other mod..well untill we get an update of JediMod =P

I hate to say it, but I understand why BOFH trashed it. He simply knows Jedimod 1.2 owns his crap, all he did was edit Dest's source anyway. So it suprises me that Dest even puts up with BOFH's crap.....

Dest I sugest you don't release your sources anymore. More lammerz are just gonna rip you off. We need one good version of your mod. not the main one and 4 coppies.....I'm still angry when I get on the zone (I play on mainly MSN ZONE) and I see JediMod++ 3.0 game...and people give me the "It's Version 3 tho!" but it really sucks...it sucks bad, but then i host a game with 1.2 and give them a link to 1.2 and they say "MY WORD LAD, this is so much greater!" (ok maybe not MY WORD LAD)

Wow now I'm just babbleing.....
DarthDarth

striderx2048
08-10-2002, 05:25 PM
Stop the insanity
if Dest doesn't have a problem with BOFH than you definitly should not

JediPlus will always be behind JediMod because it is based of JediMod

remark 666
08-11-2002, 12:55 AM
Dest isn't going to make anymore mods, he's gone off to collage

and I really hope he doesn't release the code for 1.2, maybe for another month or so... I'll talk to him about it :p

(I bet someone will say, "hey! don't do that, we want to rape his code, take it appart and give him some credit, blah blah!!") ^_^

remark 666
08-11-2002, 12:59 AM
*cough*

-JediMod++ (v3.0) - jediplus3.zip 08-02-2002 3194 - 712.17 KB

-JediMod Official (v1.2) - jedimod1_2.zip 08-04-2002 7822 - 5.44 MB

*cough*

razorace
08-11-2002, 01:08 AM
Why even care about d/l numbers? It doesn't make a Mod better than another.

ASk
08-11-2002, 01:54 AM
it shows which mod people like better
This is one of the "good mod" qualities

razorace
08-11-2002, 02:09 AM
So? It doesn't prove that it's a "better" Mod or not. There are plenty of quality Mods out there are that aren't getting any attention.

NITEMARE
08-11-2002, 03:06 AM
yeah and this mod gets TO F@CKING much attention. and u know why there are hundrets of threads to this mod? because it has doublebladed double sabers, the model/saber scaling, the rgb saber colorizer, the cutsom hilt pack, many taunts/emotes. the less important feature will make it always to the most wanted ones! because THE people are dumb. and remark666: you should not think this code is holy and should be preserved. because it has been made for the dumb majority. to please them. the mod itself is raping already so many forums and servers. this is not dests code! its an open source projekt to save jk2 of becoming irelevant because of the lack of features. dest knows that and he wants to share his work with us all to learn from it. mabe there are some just SOME people around here who do not want to rape your pretious mod but want to look into it and add some features to their mod. tho there are not so many i would use (e.g. the laggy hiltpack, nice idea tho) for myself.

razorace
08-11-2002, 03:17 AM
yep, Jedi Mod is more a bunch of tech. tests than a gameplay mod. But that's ok, it's still cool. :) And I agree, it is getting too much attention.

NITEMARE
08-11-2002, 05:02 AM
to bad dest has to go for some time, before he had the chance to code some real good features. like stuff for server admins. or gameplay related stuff. jk2 has the potential to grow big and become something special.

razorace
08-11-2002, 05:14 AM
Heck, anyone can do the admin and gameplay additions. Now, if only someone figures out a way to add animations.....

remark 666
08-11-2002, 06:04 AM
laggy hilt pack ? maybe get better Internet provider, that should solve it ;)

and when did I say the code is holy ? I know it's not that hard for a good coder to do BUT go ahead, if it's that easy then do it, feel free, no one is stopping you...

and "doublebladed double sabers, the model/saber scaling, the rgb saber colorizer, the custom hilt pack, many taunts/emotes", double sabers, admin commands (there are the basic ones), new moves, a lot more voice taunts for one model, grapple hook, more cvars, more options...ALL that put together isn't simple "less important features", all of that makes a good ****ing mod, it makes it THE best mod EVER out (for JK2) and for the time being.

yes, it's the BEST mod, of course it's going to get all of the attention and the mod isn't raping anyone, maybe just your mind

and who do you think you are ? calling all the people dumb ? what are you ? holy ? get out of my sight, your kind sickens me

and the deal with BOFH made Dest rethink about releasing his code again, I don't know why you talk like you know

and you've said the same thing I've said few post above...just a longer version...

if you're going to take some, just SOME, small features then please, go ahead, make them yourself Einstein.

-remark for you

ASk
08-11-2002, 11:01 AM
Heck, anyone can do the admin and gameplay additions. Now, if only someone figures out a way to add animations.....


Why don't I see YOU doing this? You said anyone can.

Besides, the fact of this mod having Tchouky's, mine and some others' code is not making it bland.

I'd like to remind you that before Dest, a lot of people (including myself) thought that it's impossible to add another saber/custom hilt without a MAJOR rewrite of the ghoul2 saber handling in the code.

I'd like you to go and do the two sabers support WITHOUT even looking on Dest's code. Then you have the right to say "this mod is nothing more than a or b, these features are piece of cake to add"

And besides, if people love this mod, this alone makes it great.


And last time I checked, AgentJ and Dest managed to add a custom animation. I do not know alot of details, but from what I heard it worked.

NITEMARE
08-11-2002, 12:08 PM
heh remark666 is getting hot over my post...
sure the features are good but i miss the greater purpose. its just a collection of the most wanted features. that i think most people are dumb is not very original. if u watch films or read books u will come across many statements like this. everybody likes darth maul and want to be a him. ok, but i get frustrated here because i see some great features in many mods but none with all the good ones together. jedimod has all the features for the fun aspect together which came out the last months. but where is the adminmod collection with all the possible and more features to make jk2 realy great?
its good to defend jedimod but remark666, u are taking it to serious. its not a piece of cake but also nothing to keep closed in a safe. i hope it keeps beeing opensource. not to be ripped off but to serve as an example and teaching others...
another annoying thing is this animation thingy. im glad it stopped from beeing so frequent, but at the beginning it was a spamfest for people who wanted to make their own anims. and it was futile. 99% of them wont get any done. one has to look at the possibilities and decide how to do the best of it. adding new anims seems to be VERY difficult if not even impossible for most of us. so forget it!
atelast its not completly stupid to use the double bladed saber anymore because jedimod has this extra one handed stances made for it.
its realy bad that this guy released the mod under the same name. but that should not stop open source. i would keep my mouth shut if it would be a complete thought thru mod which changes gameplay in an advanced way. if it would have realy good gameplay additions to make duels better or team games. but for now i dont see very much of it. it makes no greater sense than just little fun additions. which mabe are hard to do, i didnt intend to underestimate it.
i dont know if u get what im trying to say. but at the current stage it would not be such a righteous thing to keep it in the safe.

-Chrono_MOT-
08-11-2002, 12:51 PM
NITEMARE, I'm sure you had a lot of interesting things to say. Unfortunately, I don't really feel the need to sift through that garbage pit you call a paragraph, so any intelligent arguments you made are completely unreadable.

On a side not, they didn't say the animations worked in-game, only in Mod-View.

And before Dest, there was me. I was the one who originally started pushing the idea of having two sabers, which I knew was completely possible. Dest was just able to understand the code and turn it into a reality. So Dest isn't the be-all end-all of coders out there, or pioneers, he just managed to get a mod out first.

And before you start judging the difference between the two mods (for those who say downloads mean nothing) remember that JediPlus is BASED off of JediMod code, nothing will ever change that.

ASk
08-11-2002, 02:17 PM
sorry, my mistake then. At that time I just got NWN i think, so I did not follow the news.

razorace
08-11-2002, 02:59 PM
And before you start judging the difference between the two mods (for those who say downloads mean nothing) remember that JediPlus is BASED off of JediMod code, nothing will ever change that.


And Dest's code is based on TCK's code, which is based on the JK2 code, etc, etc. Basing your code on someone else's code doesn't show infuriority. Sure, JM++ is basically a slightly more streamlined version of JM but does that mean it shouldn't be released? Some people actually want that addition smoothing of the JM options.

Making mods is about making mods that are fun and interesting to play, not a popularity contest. Personally, I'm into JK2 modding to improve the overall "realism" and fun of the game. I really like what Dest has done with the JK2 code but I'm not going to impliment some of it into my mod until the bugs and gliches have been hammered out. Not that I don't like it or anything, I just feel that many of the features in JK2 haven't been perfected yet and will be tricky to properly insert into a fun, balanced gameplay package.

-Chrono_MOT-
08-11-2002, 10:34 PM
Actually, Dest's code ISN'T based off of Tchouky's code, he implements his tck saber mod into JediMod. If you were around when Dest was first creating JediMod you would know that. Dest is the one who coded the entire dual-saber thing from scratch. Tchouky helped with scaling, and with the saber-colors. That's it.

Maybe it is based off of JK2 code, but as far as the mod goes Dest created it himself, just implementing the colors/scaling as part of it.


And yea, we're all waiting for that super-exciting mod that kicks the shyte out of all the others.

I'm in the middle of making one as we speak :P

razorace
08-11-2002, 10:46 PM
And yea, we're all waiting for that super-exciting mod that kicks the shyte out of all the others.

I'm in the middle of making one as we speak :P


Oh, really? So what's the killer app feature in this Mod? I'm thinking the killer app Mod is going to be a modification to bring the saber combat to the next level.

Emon
08-12-2002, 02:02 AM
If the author of JM++ thinks regular JM is crap, then so be it. That's his opinion. He should not, however, judge a mod without playing it.

remark 666
08-12-2002, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by Emon
If the author of JM++ thinks regular JM is crap, then so be it. That's his opinion. He should not, however, judge a mod without playing it.

his mod is even worse (lets say JediMod 1.2 is unliked), that's like dissing your own mod 2X worse then actually dissing the original because his mod is really close to the older version of it......maybe I don't know what I'm saying, I'm just one person with a lot of remarks.....

*me go into duel server and then sleep*

NITEMARE
08-12-2002, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by -Chrono_MOT-
NITEMARE, I'm sure you had a lot of interesting things to say. Unfortunately, I don't really feel the need to sift through that garbage pit you call a paragraph, so any intelligent arguments you made are completely unreadable.

so u did not read my post? man i would like to have the same client side prediction app u have to save my time instead of reading stupid posts. but at the moment i have to READ all the posts if i want to make sure they are crap. man u r are far ahead of your time...

razorace
08-12-2002, 02:25 AM
Wow, a guy named Remark 666 has a lot of remarks to say. Imagine that. LOL :D

remark 666
08-12-2002, 02:31 AM
damn, lucky you, I actually had to read that post..... j/k ;)

razorace
08-12-2002, 02:36 AM
Of course you have to, look at my picture! I outrank you. ;)

remark 666
08-12-2002, 02:48 AM
don't make me get a new avatar :p

razorace
08-12-2002, 02:50 AM
What, you scared of me being in charge? :)

Speaking of being in charge. What's going to happen to JediMod while Dest's at school? Are you taking over control or is the Mod going to be on hold until winter break?

remark 666
08-12-2002, 07:04 PM
I don't want to take control of Dests mod but I know he'll still help me if I do come up with anything...

i'm actually working on a second version of the hilt pack, more sabers and few fixes to the old pack...that's about it I guess...and I'm trying to develop my scripting abilities too ^_^ there is a thread in Multyplayer section

razorace
08-12-2002, 07:27 PM
sweet. Any hope for some general bug fixes?

EmperorJello
08-12-2002, 10:21 PM
Of course you have to, look at my picture! I outrank you.

Look at mine, corporal.

razorace
08-12-2002, 10:32 PM
(oh crap!)

*Jumps up, shakes off the potato chip pieces and stands at attention*

Oh! Sorry Sir! I didn't see you come in. I would have called in the honor guard.

NITEMARE
08-13-2002, 02:43 AM
roo00OOAA@@aarr
i'll eat ya both!
hmm about the hiltpacks. i've heard there is a lag problem for people with lesser ram. there is a thread here somewhere about it. anyone experienced it? i didnt play jedimod online yet and have enough hardware anyway...
and remarky boy wants to add more hilts...hmmm

ASk
08-13-2002, 02:48 AM
oh and btw

BOFH won't have my permission to use grapple code in his "mod"


Whine as long as he wants, this code is still mine and I decide whether to let him use it.

NITEMARE
08-13-2002, 03:34 AM
sounds very mature...
make him pay! he gave birth to adolf hitler! damn this BOFH !!

razorace
08-13-2002, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by ASk
oh and btw

BOFH won't have my permission to use grapple code in his "mod"


Whine as long as he wants, this code is still mine and I decide whether to let him use it.

Say, does your grapple code have realistic gravity based swinging or is it just a straight arrow pull?

ASk
08-13-2002, 04:35 AM
straight arrow pull

razorace
08-13-2002, 04:42 AM
ah. Has anyone ever made a gravity based one yet for a FPS? I remember it being the Holy Grail of Quake 1 programming. :)

DeadlyBOFH
08-13-2002, 11:28 AM
The code was never originally his

http://quakestyle.telefragged.com/quake3/tutorial5.htm

is where he took it from and modified it.. I've seen it.

ASk
08-13-2002, 01:49 PM
a) I did credited Willy in grapplemod readme.
b) The code as it is there will not work. Just try for yourself. You still need to modify it to fit JK2 limitations

Hell, do I even need to justify myself in front of you? You act like we all own you something.

razorace
08-13-2002, 02:48 PM
You "own (him) something"? right...

He is just a Modder like everyone else here.