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Toonces
08-06-2002, 10:47 PM
With Emperor Palpatine getting closer and closer to release, and the modeling work all but finished, I started on this.

http://drivingcatstudios.com/newfisto.jpg

It's really early, and I wasn't even going to post it until I was a little further along, but I figured I'd give the Fisto fans over here a shout :D

I've started on the body but not enough to warrent posting a shot of that. he's going to be in his normal Jedi Garb. I might do a second version with a robe for him if there is enough intrest

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Enjoi9187
08-06-2002, 10:54 PM
does anyone else think he looks like lenny kravitz?

t3rr0r
08-06-2002, 11:14 PM
what you've done so far looks great. :D good luck to you, toonces.

trowa500
08-06-2002, 11:18 PM
good job

Eets
08-06-2002, 11:19 PM
wow! EXCELLENT resemblance, Toonces!!

Toonces
08-07-2002, 03:35 AM
Thanks guys :D Got a little burst of energy when I got home tonight, decided to start on the body.

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistoearly.jpg

He's only about 25% finished, and the body itself is only about 40% modeled, I have lots of detail left to model. I haven't begun to work on the tenticles yet either, I'm going to finish off the body before I do that, and his face still isn't close enough yet. I also think I have his belt up way too high

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SAIK HUAT
08-07-2002, 03:38 AM
So has the palpatine model been released but not uploaded or is someone tweaking it?

Toonces
08-07-2002, 03:46 AM
Not yet Saik, we've got a little skin work yet to do, Arco and SithLord are still working on their skins. I'm completely finished with the model itself. I might adjust some of the weights a little bit before release though, just to make the robe move a little more realisticly :)

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Sounds Risky
08-07-2002, 06:12 AM
Bring the eye sockets a bit closer together.

Grafox
08-07-2002, 08:29 AM
Lookin good toonces, if you need a skinner, you know where to find me :)

Kit Fisto
08-07-2002, 08:55 AM
Very cool looking. Im glad to see this model is being worked on.

Ignasius
08-07-2002, 08:59 AM
Great job toonces

Darth-Nasty
08-07-2002, 09:29 AM
Youve definatly got some intrest regarding a robed version here!:)

Ignasius
08-07-2002, 09:42 AM
Darth, that pic dosent work I get a popup about viagra :confused: ....

Darth-Nasty
08-07-2002, 10:03 AM
oh dear, that link worked before!

oh well ill take it down and try and find it somewhere else

reference:
http://www.sphosting.com/jedialliance/bilder/kitfisto.jpg

Master Bodle
08-07-2002, 05:55 PM
Im glad to see somebody is workin on this guy, he's my fav character. He's loolin good already can't wait to play with him on the game !!:D

Pusskyfly
08-07-2002, 07:54 PM
finally some progress on a kit fisto model :D im sooooo pleased well done toonces and a robe :D yes please

Arkum
08-07-2002, 08:46 PM
LOOKING AWESOME!!!!!

trowa500
08-07-2002, 11:22 PM
u r good

Toonces
08-08-2002, 03:18 AM
I'm really supprised how fun this model has been to make thus far. I never intended to make a Kit Fisto model, I only even started the head as an experement to learn to model something that complex

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/newfisto3.jpg

Worked on him for about 2 hours tonight. I finished about 85% of the body and began to add the tenticles. They are a little small right now, and I have more of them to add, but it's early still.

I've been able to deturmine that Mr Fisto has between 12 and 16 tenticles. If anybody knows the correct number let me know :)

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Sith Wookiee
08-08-2002, 03:23 AM
Nice model! I checked the toy for correct number of tenticles and it seems it's 15 or possibly 16 (one is kinda......buried) hope this could help.

iceman2k_98
08-08-2002, 03:39 AM
You, my friend, are a legend... not only does that model look awesome so far... it is being done soo quickly keep up the good work!

I look forward to downloading that beautiful peace of art... when its finished!

YOU ARE A GOD... I have been hanging out for this model every since I saw him in the movie...

Anyways that's my bit...


Sorry to rant and rave.... just little encoragement to aid the modelling process...

Shutting up now

Iceman2k_98

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EffJi
08-08-2002, 04:10 AM
That's a great model, it looks just like him even though the model isn't done yet.


Making each tentacle able to be cut off is impossible right?
I mean you can't add new cut-offable areas, there's just the orignal ones.

t3rr0r
08-08-2002, 07:22 AM
that's looking really good. the tentacles could stand to be a little thicker (plus the additional ones). note that some of the tentacles are bound in pairs. :)

http://www.sidiousnews.co.uk/swdoc5k.jpg
http://www.sgtfretsurfer.com/Grilled-Sarlacc/c/kitfisto/swac.jpg
http://www.sgtfretsurfer.com/Grilled-Sarlacc/c/kitfisto/shooting.jpg
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kitfisto/img/curve.jpg
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kitfisto/img/movie_bg.jpg
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kitfisto/img/eu_bg.jpg

Kit Fisto
08-08-2002, 08:13 AM
holy f*ck, thats looking very nice, and in such a short period of time. I agree that the tenticles should be thicker but aside from that its looking damn fine. SO MANY GOOD MODELS!

Master Bodle
08-08-2002, 09:39 AM
Oh man, this model is gonna be awesome whens its finished!!! Keep up the good work i can't wait to play wth it in the game.

About the tentacles i reckon he has 15. Which vary in length. Also, the tenticles are diffrent colours as u go down. They start off green with visible green spots then turn to a kinda orange colour and then seem to be grey right at the bottom. He also has bands on them whcih tie some together but each tenticle has at least one band on it. Hope this helps. :D

Dragonlancer
08-08-2002, 12:46 PM
YYYYEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH TOONCES! been waiting for this since may 16. (the day ep2 came out) love what your doing with it.

I just looked at my kit fisto action figure carefully, I counted exactly 16 tenticles. btw, don't forget that some of the tenticles are wrapped in leather straps. Yes I am aware that you just started :p looks awsome:D

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 12:49 PM
Hey toonces are you using Gmax?

Master Bodle
08-08-2002, 06:46 PM
How long u think it will be till it comes out?

dreddsnott
08-08-2002, 06:48 PM
Kit Fisto has meat dreadlocks.

Toonces
08-08-2002, 10:56 PM
I finished up the mesh tonight, I still have to work on the head quite a bit, but everything is there now. The Head clocks in at almost 1600 polys, the entire mesh is a bloated 4400. I havent optimized yet at all though so I'll be able to get than number down quite a bit

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fullfisto1.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fullfisto2.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/pimpinfisto1.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/pimpinfisto2.jpg
His Garb is a combination of Fisto's actual garb from Episode II, and Mace Windu's

Still quite a bit of adjustments to make. UVmapping that head will be a nightmare, might have to seek out professional help to do it.

funny_dude, I use Max 4.2, I love it :)

Bodle, I really cant give you a eta on the model, I only started a few days ago and I'm not sure how long it will take to map, skin, ect. I'll keep you guys up to date though of cource :D

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SpYzEr
08-08-2002, 11:00 PM
Its lookin great so far

trowa500
08-08-2002, 11:04 PM
u r the fastest modeler ive seen and u do a good job it doesnt even look rushed, youd think it would due to how fast u did this. keep up the good work

nomad
08-08-2002, 11:50 PM
WOW Toonces!! That came a long way since we talked last night! :D

Damn, That is a lot of tentacles. That must have been fun.
All right, looks like your close to the point where we all start yelling out things like, "Smaller Chin!" "Wider eyes" "Slope his brow a little more" "No, flatten his forehead!" "Make the tentacles thicker and make them more individual" "Is he going to have an invisible poll?"
And you, as the modeller, start doing this running around like a headless chicken, tap-dance routine- attempting to absorb all the information and continue to make an outstanding product. :)

I'm glad you enjoy this routine, because you seem to be damn good at it :D
I'll study some pics of Kit Fisto so that I can give you some detailed help anyway I can.
Excellent job so far, Sir!

-nomad

Toonces
08-08-2002, 11:58 PM
heh, thanks nomad :D I got inspired early this morning and decided to tackle the head. Yeah, I'm just about at that phase you speak of :) the head isn't right yet, and the side of his head still looks really odd, but that's what I have noticed so far, I always miss a bunch of things though :)

The Garb was loosely based off Mace Windu's, I just like how his looks. I did make the outer tunic a little shorter, like Fisto's from the movie, and added his funky little collar. I'll stick a robe on him when I'm finished with this version of the model, but it will be a while until I get to that step.

I'm also going to use the body as a starting point for another model, I'm not ready to announce what it is yet though (nomad knows though :) )

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keo718
08-09-2002, 12:40 AM
Lookin good Toonces. Concerning the legs though, his pants could be a bit more baggy.

Enjoi9187
08-09-2002, 01:35 AM
I KNOW HOW HE DOES IT SOOO FAST!!! if you look at his website

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/

you will CLEARLY see in the upper right hand corner that he has had his liscence suspended, so all he can do know is stay home and make models!

inbredyokel
08-09-2002, 02:10 AM
Wow...that's quite insane how he went from head to finished in exactly 45 seconds. Who knew Palpatine would give you such stamina? :) The head looks pretty much perfect, I can see you put a lot of detail into. My only beef is with the shape of the body(he looks a little "portly"). If you'd bring the belt up a tiny bit and make his waistline a little smaller it would fix the problem right there. Otherwise, his sleeves look a bit poofy but I'm sure it will look totally different in-game with weighting. Geez...you're making me feel like a jerk offering this criticism because it looks so insanely good already :D Good luck, and I hope you don't pull all your hair out UV mapping him (when you say professional help I'm assuming you mean someone in psychiatry).

Pusskyfly
08-09-2002, 09:39 AM
BUT Toonces heres a hard one, whats his taunt gonna be :D lol...lookas ace so far keep it up.
Will he be grinning? or with his mouth shut...i vote for his cheesy but quality grin :D

Kevlar
08-09-2002, 12:27 PM
Toonces,

Just a little feedback. Your model looks great! :) The only thing I feel needs adjusted are his hands. They look too small. Fisto's hands are much bigger in comparison to some of the photos posted.

Keep up the good work! It's appreciated.

Forums_End
08-09-2002, 12:52 PM
Toonces my Friend, that model kicks ass!!!!!!!! Its ****ing amazing!!!!!!!!!!:D :chop1: :devsmoke:

GreenDevil
08-09-2002, 02:17 PM
Model is looking great bud... great job!!

A little suggestion I have though has to do with the tenticles coming from his head. From the reference pictures, there should be fewer of them but each one being thicker and wider. The way it looks now with the many thin tenticles looks a little odd.

Toonces
08-09-2002, 03:27 PM
Thanks for the great feedback guys :D I was able to trim about 500 faces off this morning. I've adjusted the head a bit as well, I think I have a better resemblence now. I'm still working on thoes Tenticles :D

keo718, I thought they looked a little thin in the legs too, I made them a little baggier last night

inbred, I'll try bringing the belt up and in a bit. The screenshots may have made him look a little thicker than he actually is, but I should bring the belt in and bag up the area where the belt meets the tunic

Kevlar, the hands do look a little small. They are the Raven SDK ones. I was planning on modeling some custom ones :)

One question for you Kit Fisto experts. His tenticles are actually wrapped together? I thought thoes were either tatooed on, or a natural part of his body?

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Sith Wookiee
08-09-2002, 03:36 PM
Some of his tenticles are wrapped in groups of two with little red bands or something

LOUman
08-09-2002, 03:41 PM
pretty great work! it would be cool if you could add another taunt animation which makes him smile like in the movie :lol:

DARTHMCGILL
08-09-2002, 03:51 PM
will Kit's tentacles bounce, or are they basically cemented to his back/shoulders?

Enjoi9187
08-09-2002, 04:01 PM
he didnt smile in the movie, are you tlaking aobu that pic? that was a behind the scenes pic of the actor in costume talking to samual l jackson

Pusskyfly
08-09-2002, 04:05 PM
actually he does.....when he orce pushes over C3PO/Battle Droid he grins afterwards and then carries on fighting :D

Toonces
08-09-2002, 04:08 PM
I'm going to try some weighting tricks to get the tenticles to move around. If Raven ever helps us with the animations, or somebody cracks their code I'll re-release our rasta friend with tenticle animations if it's at all possible

Enjoi, He did smile durring the movie, when he knocked C3PO's head off he smiles and kinda laughed. I'll definatly make him grin or something :)

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t3rr0r
08-09-2002, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Toonces
Enjoi, He did smile durring the movie, when he knocked C3PO's head off he smiles and kinda laughed. I'll definatly make him grin or something :)
there could be an alternate skin. :D like "/model kit_fisto/grin".

Toonces
08-09-2002, 04:17 PM
heh, That's a really good Idea t3rr0r, I just might have to do that :D

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12thMonkey
08-09-2002, 04:23 PM
This is looking great at the moment and the tenticles look great.

My only concern is the skinnyness of the legs thay need to be wider.

Seeing as this is Kit Fisto i thought this was appropriateclickie (http://oakley.com/ostore/accessories/medusa/)

t3rr0r
08-09-2002, 04:31 PM
why did you post the same thing 3 times... ?

Vaderbug71
08-09-2002, 06:34 PM
I am increadibly impressed. You have uncanny skills. I love this model, and I know how hard modeling is. Well you seem to be one of the best. And I know this is not a modeling forum, But I beleive that you should be the one to do the DarkTrooper phase 3 model. If you are interested please contact me or check the modeling forum for the rest of us. I know we are all impressed with your work.

Dragonlancer
08-09-2002, 09:11 PM
*********IMPORTANT************(well somewhat :D )


ok, your model ROCKS!!!! but one thing. I think its important that you make him a little more.......not fat. lol. he needs to be quite a bit thinner around the hips and maybe the shoulders are a bit to far apart. Sorry to be so nitpicky lol.

I personally think the hands look fine. Very nice to see someone working on one of my top 3 favorite jedi from the arena. the other two being luminera unduli and aayla secura.

Mix_Master2k
08-09-2002, 09:58 PM
just out of curiosity, what is the max poly limit for a character model? same as saber?

inbredyokel
08-09-2002, 10:47 PM
I'm not positive, but I think its good to shoot for about 3000 polys on a character model and about 700 on a saber hilt. It's not that those are the "limits," is just that slower-mid range machines would have trouble processing lots of high poly models.

Darth Stryke
08-10-2002, 01:21 PM
Great model, and to let everyone know, I am modeling his saber, (check my WIP thread) and as soon as I find a host for the pics ill post some shots of it.

Toonces
08-10-2002, 05:06 PM
Cut about 1200 polys off him this morning, optimized the head alot. He sits at just about 3350. I'm gonna try to go a little lower. If I cant get under 3000 I'll be sure to make a couple LOD's

http://drivingcatstudios.com/fistotweak1.jpg
http://drivingcatstudios.com/fistotweak2.jpg
http://drivingcatstudios.com/fistotweak3.jpg

I'm still not satisfied with the head, something just doesnt look right. I have to adjust his body a little too

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SpYzEr
08-10-2002, 05:08 PM
That looks AMAZING man.. I myself dont see anything wrong with the head. But hey do what u want u can only make it better

inbredyokel
08-10-2002, 05:31 PM
I think his head looks off because the tentacles coming out of the sides are a bit out of place. As seen here
http://www.istnet.net.au/~chefgreg/starwars/images/kitfisto.jpg
one should be located a little above eye level and another at the corner of the jaw. They're also more rigid so they go straight back for a while before drooping down, where yours just drop right away. This seems to make them more visible, and that's probably why it looks different on your model. Otherwise, I still think the waist is too thick. If you'd make it just a little smaller and puff out the clothes around it, it would look just right. If I remember correctly, on an average person the hips are supposed to be the widest part below the ribcage, but here it looks more like the midriff is the widest part.
All things considered though(like how quickly you made this), it's coming along extremely well.

Toonces
08-10-2002, 06:44 PM
Inbred, as always your feedback is dead on and very much apprishated :D I rotated the tenticles up and out a little bit just to straighten them out. They still arnt quite where they should be, but I beleive for the most part I have them connected to the right place now. I have to rotate them up and out a few more degrees and I think they'll be in the correct position. I am going to try and model the suttle lines that go from the jaw to the tenticle. It shouldnt be too difficult.

This pic is large, just in case your using dialup
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistoframe.jpg

I think thoes shoulder things (I forget their name) is out a little too far and that's why his waist looks skewed, it's the right size, it just looks odd in my pics. I'll fix them and pull in the belt and post another pic :)

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Mix_Master2k
08-10-2002, 07:01 PM
toonces,,what program do you use to model?

12thMonkey
08-10-2002, 07:15 PM
The tenticles or lekku if you can call them that that run down the front of his shoulders, need to be closer together cos kit fistos are strapped together.

Mix_Master2k
08-10-2002, 07:24 PM
fyi, they look strapped together because they are :)

Kururin
08-10-2002, 08:04 PM
The Head and tentacles are great but u need to work on the jedi outfit.

keo718
08-10-2002, 08:15 PM
The legs need more shape, otherwise the head is real nice.

kman@pollycount
08-10-2002, 08:22 PM
Wow toonces this model is looking really good. Keep up the good work.

trowa500
08-10-2002, 11:10 PM
good work u r doin just fine

blackfire
08-11-2002, 12:44 AM
First I just want say he's looking great, especially in this short period of time.

I just have one comment about the tentacles on his head. After really looking closely at the pictures, It looks like he has between eight and ten, no more and no less. I really think it's 10.

It appears that he has 6 on top going down his back all bound with the straps in groups of 2. the other 4 appear to be underneath the first 6 and are the ones that come over his shoulders onto his chest also bound in the same fashion.

This is just my observations on it after studying them hard with the multiple pics you guys posted. I could be wrong, but I really believe this is accurate.

Other than that I can't wait to use him. Thanks for taking up this difficult project.:D

ZBomber
08-11-2002, 01:16 AM
Can't wait!

Toonces
08-11-2002, 11:37 PM
A little update guys. I havent worked on him much this weekend, but I did make some proportional tweaks here and there. Let me know what you guys think.

http://drivingcatstudios.com/fistoli1.jpg
http://drivingcatstudios.com/fistoli2.jpg

I put in a few omni lights, to check out shadows and stuff

Something about the head still really bugs me. I wish I had more polys to work with

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sexcellent
08-11-2002, 11:41 PM
thats looking very very impressive tonces!

cROsIs**
08-11-2002, 11:44 PM
Hey toonces, ive been getting into modeling over the past few weeks, and Ive been wondering what are some good resources for learning (3ds max)


Let me know in a PM if you can....

... And as awalys Kit is lookin SHARP.

Elessar-Eärfalas
08-11-2002, 11:51 PM
its comin along real nice! i think i kno wut the problem with the head is, after lookin at a couple ref pics, i see that the forehead isnt rounded enough on ur model, the head is so good cept for that, the heads to flat right now. once u bring it out more and make the head a lil bigger on top, it'll look just like kit. keep up the great work, thx for the constant updates! :D

inbredyokel
08-12-2002, 12:07 AM
Hmm..I think I see what your problem might be. From the side view, it looks like the organization of the tentacles is a little off. From here
http://www.sgtfretsurfer.com/Grilled-Sarlacc/c/kitfisto/kitfisto.jpg
You can see that the topmost tentacles are actually angled down the most, and the lower tentacles come back to wrap around them. Otherwise, I think the "offness" of the head could be corrected by lowering the head slightly(he has a pretty stubby neck), widening the face a little and bringing out the lower pair of tentacles coming out of his jawline a bit more to give his head an arc shape when viewed from the front.

nomad
08-12-2002, 03:56 AM
Damn! The force is strong with this one.

Nice progress Toonces. Heh, I couldn't believe it when I saw your avatar :D

The problem I see with the head is that it looked too thin from the front. I realized that it may be due to the fact that Kit Fisto's tentacles kind of start, and buldge out, on the sides of his face. Right on his cheekbones (that line that I think you mentioned) is a ridge that starts and becomes one of his thick tentacles. From the side your model looks almost perfect, but from the front I think the main difference is where your tentacles begin too far back on his head.
Hope that helps. I need some zzz's (fixed my compiling problems)

-nomad

MTFBWY

Master Bodle
08-13-2002, 12:26 PM
The head looks just fine. Everyone keeps mentioning it and everyone seems to have different ideas of how it should be. Must be confusing for u Toonces. And like u said u don't have enough poly's to work with. If u can't make any better for the head don't worry. It looks Superb!! I doubt anyone else would be able to make it anywhere near as good anyway !!

"thA dekMan"
08-13-2002, 12:39 PM
lookin great man, and I must say u really got the eyes down pack. I think thats one of kits biggest "identifying features" and u got em down nice.

adillon
08-13-2002, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Toonces
the hands do look a little small. They are the Raven SDK ones. I was planning on modeling some custom ones :)

i hope you really do model custom hands. not that they're something you'd see a whole helluva lot of in-game ... it's just those LITTLE changes can make an incredible model just that much better. the link inbred posted here (http://www.sgtfretsurfer.com/Grilled-Sarlacc/c/kitfisto/kitfisto.jpg) shows off his hands pretty well. having them as small as they are right now makes the rest of him seem too big.

just my 2 cents ... keep up the great work, toonces!!

Toonces
08-13-2002, 05:19 PM
heh, thanks guys :D being a perfectionist is a real detriment sometimes, but at the end of the day it makes me a better artist :)

adillon, I made the hands signifigantly larger. They did look a little wierd before, and Kit Fisto seems like a pretty tall guy, and upon watching his fighting scenes they are pretty damn big (and pointy too :) )

I've been tweaking the head alot over the past couple days. I rebuilt the sides of the head and modeled thoes suttle bumps that connect the tenticles to the chin and the eyes. I have to shape the face a little more now. I'll post an update soon, I'm just taking a day or two off from Kit (yeah right, I'll cave in I know it ;) )

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trowa500
08-13-2002, 09:54 PM
the pic in ur avatar looks cool :cool:

Mix_Master2k
08-13-2002, 10:03 PM
have fun with the uvw mapping since i know ALL modelers love it :)

Master Bodle
08-14-2002, 06:18 AM
I just LOVE this Model, Its gonna be great and i think they will be a lot of people that will be downloading it !!!:D

trowa500
08-14-2002, 12:41 PM
i cant wait ill dl it 1st! please put it up for dl here b4 u send it to jkii.net

Andy867
08-14-2002, 01:29 PM
Why trowa, with me back from my vacation, I am pumping out new files that are being submitted, as well as old files. I even got the ESB Skinpack for Yoda posted, and am working on the ProMod, and JediPlus v3.1

iceman2k_98
08-14-2002, 11:36 PM
***BUMP****...

TEHEHEHE..

ICE OUT:D :D :D

Elessar-Eärfalas
08-15-2002, 12:42 AM
whyd u bump iceman? it wuz only like...1/4 the way down the page, if u read above posts Toonces is takin a couple days off from Kit Fisto, so chill and wait.

Dr_Lazarus
08-16-2002, 07:06 PM
Kit Fisto, at last! Looks great Toonces! I was wondering though... are you planning to put the eyes in? He does actually have eyes in that dark area. Not a big deal, but just wondering. Looks like he is coming along nicely! Can't wait to play him! :)

SithMaster01
08-17-2002, 01:42 PM
Is he gonna have any sounds?

Grafox
08-17-2002, 01:51 PM
no he's gonna be silent, cuz word is, that he lost his tonque during the battle in the arena. ;)

Master Bodle
08-17-2002, 02:09 PM
Well he can't really have any speech because we never actually hear him speak in the film. Don't know wot other sounds u could get. Maybe that time he laughs thats bout the only time we hear him make any sounds. I want a Kit Fisto smilies !!!

trowa500
08-17-2002, 02:18 PM
ne new info toon

Sounds Risky
08-17-2002, 02:26 PM
Have him talk with a Jamaican accent.

Grafox
08-17-2002, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Matt Shoemaker
Have him talk with a Jamaican accent.

ROFLMAO

Toonces
08-17-2002, 08:16 PM
heh, that would be a little TOO funny ;)

I haven't touched him in a few days, I needed to take a break from those tenticles. I've been working on a slightly diffrent charecter, it's a origional charecter, might not be for JO, or anything. I'm gonna work on Kit Fisto tommorow, updates soon :)

edit: Love the new avatar GraFox :D

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Grafox
08-18-2002, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Toonces


edit: Love the new avatar GraFox :D


Thank you, I love it too :D:D;)

Rex_Raptor__
08-18-2002, 11:26 AM
it`s funny

dreamer
08-18-2002, 11:34 AM
looking good ;)

Kstar__2
08-18-2002, 01:50 PM
it's looking sooooooooo good!

Arco
08-18-2002, 05:23 PM
right. I loved this guy in the movie... he had a sense of fun to him. So please hurry and let me skin him.... i wanna do a jedi! :confused:

Arco:deathii:

Toonces
08-18-2002, 07:02 PM
Worked on him a little this morning. I'm re-doing some of his Tenticles to make it easier to UVmap. I have the face how I like it now so I just have to finish up the back of his head

I'm gonna try to get the model finished this coming week. As soon as I get this guy mapped I'll release a SDK over at polycount :)

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trowa500
08-19-2002, 11:16 PM
bump

Toonces
08-20-2002, 04:20 PM
A mini update, I completely re-did the Lekuu (sp?) to make them easier to map, and to make them buldge out a bit more (looks better now) I'm doing the uvmaping right now.

Trying out Max 5 for the first time today (thanks Paul!) It flat out rocks :D I love the new polytools, and the UVmaping system is much improved. The improvements to the Skin modifier are also impressive, I'm about 80% done with the weights on Anakin and the enhanced control over the envelopes, and the painted verts make it more of a pleasure to work with :) I may just have to pick this puppy up, it's really nice :)

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Dragonlancer
08-20-2002, 07:24 PM
Looks great so far, can't wait for the screenies toonces. one thing. this is minor but kit fisto doesn't have lekku. They're just called tenticles. Twileks (ie: aayla secura and oola) have lekku.

trowa500
08-21-2002, 12:02 AM
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Gram_Reaper
08-21-2002, 12:13 AM
yeah the model looks awesome. sweet job toonces

LOUman
08-21-2002, 04:20 AM
do his smile as taunt! do his smile as taunt!!!

i know... it won't work... but DO IT!!! :rofl:

by the way, damn good work. :D

t3rr0r
08-21-2002, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by LOUman
do his smile as taunt! do his smile as taunt!!!

i know... it won't work... but DO IT!!! :rofl:

by the way, damn good work. :D
all you'd have to do is bind keys to switch between the two versions.

LOUman
08-21-2002, 11:33 AM
what do you mean? and two versions of what?

t3rr0r
08-21-2002, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by LOUman
what do you mean? and two versions of what?
/bind x "model blah"

and that's if there's a grinning version of the head (ie. kitfisto/grin).

SithMaster01
08-21-2002, 12:46 PM
He laughs in Episode 2 so you could use that!

Toonces
08-22-2002, 05:28 AM
He's in game now fellas, early testing has now begun. The uvmaps are almost all finished except for the Tenticles which look wacky (I expected this)

He's deforming really well, and only has very minor clipping issues (with the exception of the tenticles, they are gonna take some work to animate properly)

Alot of work yet to do, I'll put a few screenies up once I put a basic texture on him :) Gonna try to have the uvmaps finished by this weekend so I can get a sdk out soon :)

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Lord Tnuc
08-22-2002, 12:49 PM
Awesome work, Toonces...I can't wait to try him out. Wahoo. I'm prolly officially still a neeeewwwbie here...so could someone tell me what the SDK is? O.o;

Anyway...his taunt could very well be sort of an edited sound wav of someone laughing shortly..like a small chuckle..morphed to sound sort of cartoonish.

t3rr0r
08-22-2002, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Lord Tnuc
Awesome work, Toonces...I can't wait to try him out. Wahoo. I'm prolly officially still a neeeewwwbie here...so could someone tell me what the SDK is? O.o;
isn't it skin(ning?) development kit or something?

Lord Tnuc
08-22-2002, 12:55 PM
;.; we'll never know...im prolly the only one that really has no idea..;.; anyway..seeya.

Toonces
08-22-2002, 01:30 PM
heh, yeah, t3rr0r got it right :)

uvmaps here I come ;)

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LOUman
08-22-2002, 02:01 PM
i know how to bind keys... but i mean to do his smile as a taunt.
or better: if you push, he smiles after the push :D

t3rr0r
08-22-2002, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by Toonces
uvmaps here I come ;)
w00t. maybe i'll give a shot at skinning... gotta start sometime. :cool: maybe i'll be inspired with my other skinning endevours...

Dragonlancer
08-23-2002, 11:21 PM
Hey toonces, have started skinning yet? or are you still touching up the model?

SiThLoRd><1000
08-24-2002, 12:22 AM
I believe it is Software Development Kit.

SiThLoRd><1000
08-24-2002, 12:23 AM
What were we thinking letting Toonces drive the car!?!

-Chrono_MOT-
08-24-2002, 12:36 AM
You don't need to bind keys to 2 different models to get him to smile. As long as toonces makes the facial expressions, you can have him smile by using a taunt from animation.cfg...

Toonces
08-24-2002, 02:53 PM
Cool Chrono, I'm gonna rig the face so hopefully I can pull that off, I'm not a coder so I might need somebody to help me with that .cfg file :)

I'm working on the uv's for the tenticles, the rest of him is completely mapped, the tenticles are being a bit of a pain though

edit: The uv's are finished, I'm gonna put a basic skin on them quick to check them out. I should have an update tonight or early tommorow

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Kit fisto JK
08-25-2002, 04:15 AM
hay that looks nice ceep it up
:D

Lord Tnuc
08-25-2002, 05:42 AM
Kit Fisto JK, I like your Avatar...pretty nice. I've actually been wondering if there are any actual saiyan models out there...I mean...if people are going to have Spider-Man, Superman, and others in Star Wars, why not cartoons and stuff? Of course it wouldn't be anything along a storyline, but what multiplayer thing does have storyline?


Anyway...keep up the good work guys.

BradFu
08-25-2002, 01:02 PM
In this context, SDK = Skin/Skinning Development Kit

Can't wait for the SDK! I think I'll give it a try and see what I can come up with. Won't be shooting for a Kit Fisto skin necessarily, maybe some other character :)

Grafox
08-25-2002, 01:37 PM
I know what I am going for: The Jamaican Fisto :)

Toonces
08-25-2002, 02:22 PM
heh, I'm glad you guys are psyced about him :D Do anything you guys like with the skin too, I'm aiming for a Spacermonkey type Allya release so origional skins are very much apprishated, I cannot wait to see what you guys can come up with

I'm finishing up the uv's now, they needed a little adjustment ;)

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistoman2.jpg

he's begging to be skinned :D

I'll keep you guys posted :)

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12thMonkey
08-25-2002, 02:36 PM
Looks excellent Toonces.

That would be such a great thing if there was a skin pack with the model.

Kit fisto JK
08-25-2002, 02:50 PM
when he comes out ill probably out him in SP
:D

Arco
08-25-2002, 03:05 PM
ok news! I am gonna so do skins for this guy. i am doing a movie one and a an evil sith version... most likely for red ctf. Also while I skin it it I am going to do a tutorial that follows me doing it so you guys can get an insight into the ways and means I skin (peeps have been asking so I will give)

So just as soon as sdk is mine I am on it 100%.

Arco:deathii:

SithMaster01
08-25-2002, 03:15 PM
Arco give his sith version a lot of tattoos like a Zabrak!

nomad
08-25-2002, 04:12 PM
Excellent news indeed!! :)
(nomad's shortest post ever)

-nomad

MTFBWY

Gram_Reaper
08-25-2002, 05:29 PM
Yeah, both the skins are gonna rock. Is anyone doing the blue Ctf skin yet?

Toonces
08-25-2002, 07:07 PM
Ok, I have the SDK (skin dev kit) up on the website now, A little warning though, it's not the final mesh.

The tenticles arn't completely attatched to the head yet, and the boots dont meet up perfectly (they will) This shouldnt affect the uv coords though so the maps should be good to go. There also are not the proper amount of tenticles on him yet, that will be remedied though by mirroring a few of the tenticles, He will have all 16 at release :)

No glm as of yet, I have alot of weighting to do before I put that out.

Anyway, have fun, cant wait to see what you guys come up with :D

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SithMaster01
08-25-2002, 07:24 PM
This is gonna be one of the best out right now!

Toonces
08-25-2002, 07:41 PM
Oops, had a problem with the face, updated it

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SithMaster01
08-25-2002, 07:46 PM
Nice! When is that invisible back of the hood gonna be fixed on Palpatine?

Toonces
08-25-2002, 11:22 PM
The hood on Palpatine is fixed, it was the shader

I had to pull down the mesh, the uvmaps are messed up, I'm not sure what went wrong. I'll keep you guys posted

Toonces

mariners2001
08-25-2002, 11:31 PM
so, is that why the download's not working? i'm confused

Toonces
08-25-2002, 11:37 PM
Yeah, I pulled it down, Arco sent me an e-mail saying the uv's are all screwy, I'm checking them over now, I'll keep you all posted

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mariners2001
08-25-2002, 11:50 PM
thanks toonces, you're awesome

Dragonlancer
08-26-2002, 02:31 PM
awsome tooncecs. one thing though. lol, I'm also a perfectionist and I don't mean to be pickey but here's the prob, the tenticles coming down his shoulders, they look like they're attached to his neck. compare these two pics.






http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/multimedia/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Images/Episode_2/Characters/Kit_Fisto&image=ma05-32-kitfisto_screen.jpg&img=&tt=

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistoli1.jpg

Toonces
08-26-2002, 08:32 PM
I actually have removed thoes tenticles you speak of Dragonlancer, just temporarily, the'll be in the right place soon :)

I'm having major problems with the uv's, I've asked for some help over at polycount, hopefully somebody who is good with uv's can take a look, in the meantime I'll keep trying :)

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SithMaster01
08-26-2002, 08:59 PM
Can we get a release date on palpatine?

Dragonlancer
08-26-2002, 09:19 PM
good luck with the uv's toonces, and thanks for the quick reply!

Professor Snape
08-26-2002, 09:37 PM
I have said it many times. You are the most gifted Modeler i have ever met. I see you are becoming the greatest of all modeler's. Even more powerful than master yoda.

Toonces
08-26-2002, 11:17 PM
You guys are way too nice, trust me, I'm but an amature who makes alot of mistakes, but thank you Anakin :D

Sithmaster, Check out the Palp thread

uv's stink, more tweaks to do...

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-Tercero-
08-27-2002, 12:49 AM
:mad: UV maps are the devil. :mad:

trowa500
08-27-2002, 02:15 AM
uv mapin made me give up on modeling

Darth2Tyranus
08-27-2002, 04:24 AM
keep up the good work Toonces :cool:

K.O
08-27-2002, 04:41 AM
All of us should just go on a server one day with the Windu model, Ki Mundi model, this model, and some others from EpII and recreate the battle scene or something. :D These are just too cool.

Kit fisto JK
08-27-2002, 04:38 PM
damn it everyone can play on the internet except for me
:( :( :( :mad:

Arco
08-28-2002, 07:55 PM
lo everybooody. Started on it. Sadly I forgot about thet ut and have neraly finished it now. So the tut will be now on cloth not flesh... flesh tut will be done for another skin.

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/fisto-head.jpg

12thMonkey
08-28-2002, 08:24 PM
Nice to see Kit Fisto looking green.

Arco he is already looking great.

Dragonlancer
08-28-2002, 10:56 PM
awsome work arco! keep it up.

nomad
08-29-2002, 12:47 AM
:bounce1: NICE! :bounce1:

As always, beautiful looking work Arco.
I'll say this, just in case it may help, about that divit near his eyes (temple). He has ones similar, though thinner, just below the ones you've already done. They come from the tentacles to his cheeks. You probably knew this anyway ;) Just figured I'd offer something constructive.

Thanks for the screenie! :D

-nomad

Kit fisto JK
08-29-2002, 11:04 PM
um bumpidy bump bump
:D

Arco
09-01-2002, 01:32 PM
hohoho. Nearly there (screw doing a tut, i finished too much and forgot about it. I will still do a cloth tut just not for this model... just a pic i think) Anyway few more things to sort out but i'm pretty much there now.

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/fisto80%.jpg

Arco

Eets
09-01-2002, 02:21 PM
Heh, the nose looks almost like Jughead's (from the Archie comic series).

Great job, Arco!

nomad
09-01-2002, 02:30 PM
Oh, the model with the skin looks sweet!

nice job.

-nomad

MTFBWY

Elessar-Eärfalas
09-01-2002, 03:46 PM
man arco, uve done it again:D lookin sik as ever, im gonna be usin kit all the time :p

Arco
09-02-2002, 01:05 PM
cheers guys. I am nearly done now. Just a few things to add here and there and I need to test it ingame. Toonces is gonna fix some of the clipping problems I think... so this ain't final yet.

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/fisto90%.jpg

Arco:deathii:

Toonces
09-02-2002, 01:12 PM
Yeah, there are still a few problems with the mesh, that's another reason I haven't put up the SDK again yet, a few flipped faces, clipping in the collar, tenticles, ect...

The skin is looking great Arco :D

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Darth2Tyranus
09-02-2002, 01:59 PM
great skin arco,so does this mean a release soon?

Grafox
09-02-2002, 02:59 PM
Here's my jamaican version:

http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/j.hagmeijer/jamafisto.jpg

Pad
09-02-2002, 03:26 PM
looks great
when is it gonne be released?

SithMaster01
09-02-2002, 04:50 PM
Looks good but his nose and mouth have all those ridges and wrinkles Fisto's face was stretched back. Really Good thought!

p.s. Padanime could you make an avatar of darth maul fighting for me?

Arco
09-03-2002, 10:16 AM
right oh got him ingame. I am testing now and adding shaders. Also waiting on a fixed version of the model from tooces, with better weighting. Dude the lightsaber goes through his hand you need to lower it a bit, also there are many holesi n the model where you can see through him... the eyes, the boots and the tentacles, but you are already working on the tentacles. Tis a great model and once it is more finished it will be even better.

shots-

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/preparetodie.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/morethanmeetstheeye.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/whoosh.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/yourmamma.jpg

Arco:deathii:

Deetox187
09-03-2002, 10:39 AM
hot damn that looks good!

Toonces
09-03-2002, 12:48 PM
Yeah baby, Transform! ;)

Looking great Arco :D Man, I love your work

I fixed 90% of the problems with the mesh yesterday, I just have to re-weight the tenticles and fix the shoulders. I got all the holes yesterday, as well as that annoying texture problem with the collar, so I'll have a new glm for you today

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Professor Snape
09-03-2002, 01:40 PM
sry to be off they subject but toonces u gonna updated ur site? Last time there was news it was aug. 26th

Grafox
09-03-2002, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by Toonces
Yeah baby, Transform! ;)

Looking great Arco :D Man, I love your work

I fixed 90% of the problems with the mesh yesterday, I just have to re-weight the tenticles and fix the shoulders. I got all the holes yesterday, as well as that annoying texture problem with the collar, so I'll have a new glm for you today

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Don't forget to send it my way.

Toonces
09-03-2002, 04:03 PM
Yeah, I definatly have to get that site updated, I've been working on a more professional looking one, I might have to just upload that WIP so my site looks less amatureish (it's pretty bad)

GraFox, it's in the mail, the weights on the tenticles are 100% better, they no longer clip through him like before. I have to still tweak them alot, but they dont look bad like they did before. The shoulders still clip (that wrap thing) but that will be easy to fix, I'll work on it tonight

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Master Toddy
09-03-2002, 05:22 PM
Wow, very impressive model.

Toonces
09-03-2002, 10:10 PM
Alrighty, some Nautolan goodness, Arco's brilliant skin :D The only thing it lacks is the Shader which kept crashing my computer for some wierd reason (no brush available or something like that)

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistopimp1.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistopimp2.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistopimp3.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistopimp4.jpg

I have to fix the shoulders as well as work on the tenticles, they dont move quite how I'd like them to move

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adillon
09-03-2002, 10:25 PM
wow, toonces! he's looking pretty good! the texture on his tabards (?) where they come together at his waist near his belt look a little funny, though. and his eyes ... they're cool but they're really freaking me out. :eek:

what's the shader thing you're talking about? and what is it needed for?

i really dig the "break dancing" you got going on in the last pic ... heheh.

a little off-topic question, but what's up with the HUD? :confused:

btw, your avatar says it all. HOOWAH!

keo718
09-03-2002, 10:26 PM
Hmmm. Pretty nice model. The colors are a bit off however.
His pant color is a darker different tint of brown. The same for the inner tunic.


http://www.geocities.com/kitfistojediknight/aboutkit.html
http://www.reptile.net/kitfisto/
http://www.starwarsnet.co.uk/kitfisto.htm
http://www.sandtroopers.com/AOTC/coll1/kit_front.jpg

edit: Also the clothing looks a bit too ruffled and wrinkled.

I like that avatar Toonces.

Mest
09-03-2002, 10:43 PM
you do realize that kit fisto has eyes dont you?
:ben: :koon: :aobi: :kiadi: :joreth: :mace: :yobi: :sithm:

Toonces
09-03-2002, 10:44 PM
Thanks, I made it up real fast, just for fun, here is a larger copy

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/studios.gif

It doesnt come off as wrinkled in game, perhaps the screenies make it look a little strange, as for the pant color, I think it looks great, it's up to Arco though.

The dead on front shot of his head looks a bit strange because of the light source in that pic, I should have picked an area that wasnt directly under 5 lamps to take that shot :)

edit: Eyes? Those black things sticking out of his head look like eyes to me, what do you mean?

Oh, and the hud is from promod :D

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Mest
09-03-2002, 11:27 PM
http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/multimedia/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Images/Episode_2/Characters/Kit_Fisto&image=aotc-kit_fisto03.jpg&img=&tt=

http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/multimedia/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Images/Episode_2/Characters/Kit_Fisto&image=aotc-kit_fisto.jpg&img=&tt=

see the white parts of his eyes? that is what i meant.

Lord Tnuc
09-03-2002, 11:30 PM
Damn idjit kansans...;.;
Those "white things" are reflections in his shiny black eyes...his eyes are solid black, with reflections. o.O

keo718
09-03-2002, 11:31 PM
Those are reflections of light.

Toonces
09-03-2002, 11:34 PM
I thought I was going crazy, yeah, reflections of light

I'm trying to figure out why the shader won't work for me, they will reflect light then, I promise :D

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Lord Tnuc
09-03-2002, 11:42 PM
Toonces...always the crowd pleaser ;.;

To quote the now popular Pre-Tights superman series..."You can't please(or save) everyone" Hehe. Basically, do what you can. If it comes to be too big of a problem, try not to worry about it so much. However...I'm not saying skim through it, of course...lol.
Tercero didn't get a kickass model without worrying about little details. Anyway...I'm rambling again...so I'll go. Seeya.

inbredyokel
09-03-2002, 11:53 PM
Looks awsome, but to me he just looks a little off without the tentacles hanging down the front. Minor thing though, and where they're located really is a matter of personal preference.

Toonces
09-04-2002, 12:11 AM
heh, I try to be Tnuc, gotta make the community happy :D

I may put them back in front inbredyokel, I took them out because I re-did all of the tenticles, I may just mirror the ones in the back and stick them up front. My favorate cap of him from AotC had all his tenticles behind him so that's why they are that way now, I may change it up though :)

Oh, got the shader working, for some reason the engine doesnt like specular maps in .tga format, so I just saved it as a jpg and altered the shader to compensate

www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistoshader.jpg

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nomad
09-04-2002, 01:58 AM
Heh, before I looked at the pics, I was starting to question myself... "Does he really have pupils in his eyes and I never realized it?!?"
Heh, don't feel bad Mest. Even the Jedi Council make mistakes.

Awesome job guys!
The model is looking great Toonces. Looks like your in that tweak mode now, and that only means it's going to get better :D
Arco, every time you do some skin work, I'm compelled to say that you are my favorite skin artist in the community. From now on I shall call you Principal Skinner. ;) well, actually that doesn't seem like much of a complementory title after all, does it... how about "Arco"?
Great job and thank you SO MUCH for working on this Jedi!
Hooray more Jedi!!

-nomad

May the force be with you

jaybiggspr
09-04-2002, 06:17 AM
like it. like it a lot.....

:confused:

Kit Fisto
09-04-2002, 07:06 AM
His mouth is looking too human at the moment. In the film his lips are the same color as the rest of his face and the details around his mouth are not so destinct. Aside from that its coming along very nicely. ;)

p.s Arco, do you like that kind of mouth or something? it seems like its the same type as the one you used on the Bounty Hunter skin...

Dr_Lazarus
09-04-2002, 07:17 AM
I love the Kit Fisto model, Toonces!! Please consider releasing it soon!

Now, to completely counteract my wish, here are just a couple of nit-picks for you.

1) Mest was right... Kit Fisto has eyes in the black region surrounding... his eyes. Proof in the image...

http://sfcsyntax.netfirms.com/jk2/kitFistoEyes.jpg

2) In just about every image I can find, Kit has a few tentacles hanging down in front. I think this would make the model much more interesting from the front view. The tentacles look great from the back view though!

Other than that, it looks excellent! I can't wait for the release!!

Arco
09-04-2002, 08:17 AM
expect an update veeery soon. I have been working on a few thangs.

Arco:deathii:

Arco
09-04-2002, 09:25 AM
whoop nearly there. I have changed the hues everywhere and may well still change more.

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/fisto-fin.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/icon_default.jpg

On it being too wrinkly... it's a trick with skinning everyone should know. Try to skin the model so that it is kinda moving... so therefore more wrinkles. Cos then when it does move in game, which is what it will be doing 90% of the time, it will look much more realistic. Yep Another hot tip!

Arco:deathii:

adillon
09-04-2002, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Toonces
Oh, got the shader working, for some reason the engine doesnt like specular maps in .tga format, so I just saved it as a jpg and altered the shader to compensate

www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistoshader.jpg

very, VERY, VERY nice. me likey!

Padawan_7
09-04-2002, 11:08 AM
Wow!!! Impressed!!! :D :D :D :D

BradFu
09-04-2002, 11:50 AM
Kit's lookin great! I agree on the tentacles hanging over his shoulders in front, it would be a bit more Kit Fisto to me if he had those :) They could easily be removeable surfaces, however, so those that like it that way can use it, and those that like them hanging all back can do it that way :)

Master Bodle
09-04-2002, 12:47 PM
Im loving Kit Fisto, hes looking great. Ne idea when this will be released? This is gonna be a must download model !!!:launcher: :c3po3: :grnlaz:

Darth-Nasty
09-04-2002, 12:54 PM
i'm amazed by how fast this model has progressed

it only seems a week ago that this one was announced

now i have a feeling that this will be released before palpatine

any plans on what you are gonna make next toonces?

Arco
09-04-2002, 02:12 PM
it won't be done for a bit yet. Grafox is making a skin and I have a few more to do as well.... ahahahahaha! Nah I will be finished like today. So we are just waiting on grafox and toonces... come slow coaches...vrooom!

Arco:deathii:

keo718
09-04-2002, 02:30 PM
Yeah, the colors look better now.

nomad
09-04-2002, 03:41 PM
Beautiful Arco!
The blending of the tentacles to the head look excellent now.
Thanks for the tip about wrinkles in clothes, makes a lot of sense.

"come slow coaches..."
LOL

-nomad

MTFBWY

Toonces
09-04-2002, 06:53 PM
Looks Great Arco :D Everything seems to blend together exceptionally well :)

I started on a CTF skin, I'll post a few shots as soon as he looks half way decent :)

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Arco
09-04-2002, 07:03 PM
right more from me. CTF this time. Soon tomorrow I will be finished an then soon after that toonces can release me hopes.

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/red-fisto.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/red-fisto-face.jpg

oh yeah on the icon being all blended... well i went over the image to make it look nicer fort eh icon. It doesn't quite fit together that well on the proper skin... but it's close.

Arco:deathii:

SpYzEr
09-04-2002, 07:04 PM
HOLY SHIZNIT! Sry, Arco i love the red CTF skin! Very Sith-like. Very nice job!

bleek
09-04-2002, 07:30 PM
Looks awesome....what you gonna do for the blue color?:p

Padawan_7
09-04-2002, 07:32 PM
Does anybody have a fork lift????!!!!!!
I can't get my jaw off of the floor!!!!
:drop2:

SpYzEr
09-04-2002, 07:34 PM
Hey instead of making white eyeballs make like red ones.. i think that would look cool also

Sounds Risky
09-04-2002, 07:41 PM
Wow, that looks quite nice. I'm impressed.

adillon
09-04-2002, 08:46 PM
awesome, arco. i am tres impressed. looks kind of like a maul/fisto mutt ... but i LIKE it.

maybe you could come up with some kind of shader that makes his eyes pulse red to black ... more of a slow fade really. :rolleyes:

GreenDevil
09-04-2002, 09:05 PM
Hey... GREAT job so far, hes really turning out nice!

I have a few comments/suggestions... which can easily described through these two pictures.


http://sfcsyntax.netfirms.com/jk2/kitFistoEyes.jpg

vs

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/fisto-fin.jpg

Now... open both of those in seperate windows, and just keep clicking back and forth on them... what do you see?

From what I see, the head looks WAY to skinny. Judging from the reference pics, the head needs to be quite a bit wider, along with his neck (almost looks like he doesn't have a neck since its that wide also)

Next, the eye positioning. If you notice from the pic, theres a definite space between the two eyes... almost enough room to probably fit in a 3rd eye. The current eyes also look too big... I can understand them being large the width way, but their far too tall to fit his head porportionally.

Next, that brings up his nose. From the pic you can also see that he has somewhat of a wide, yet stubby nose. The current nose, as someone stated before, looks like Jugghead's from the Archie comics... large and pointy.

Anyway, those are just some things I see... I'm not trying to bash this model at all, I just want to see it become the best it can...

keo718
09-04-2002, 09:24 PM
There are some corrections that need to be made as far as likeness is concerned. I didn't say anything because I think they're past that stage.

SiThLoRd><1000
09-04-2002, 09:46 PM
Same with me Keo, I did not say anything because I did not want to be flamed. But I guess giving CC is alright on the forums. Those pics do a good job of showing some things that would need changing to be perfect. Also about the darker coloring of the clothing.

Toonces
09-04-2002, 11:18 PM
I very much apprishiate the feedback guys, but I probly will not make more than some minor changes to the actuall model. I however have to dissagree with GreenDevil on the width of the head, that pic you posted is a terible refrence shot, it's extremely blury and doesnt show much detail, it's also a shot that never appeared in the movie and I beleive was just a test shot. These are some of the shots that used to model his head, I also made extensive use of the action figure

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistoref1.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistoref2.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistoref3.jpg
And here is a shot of the model itself, the old version of Arco's skin
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/fistyhead.jpg

I do really apprishte the feedback though, you guys (GreenDevil especially) brought attention to a few of the problems. The eyes are a little too large, perhaps I can alter that without messing up the current skins, also the jawbone is a little narower than it maby should be, I could perhaps alter that. The last thing, the neck, I agree, it's too narrow, I may have to increase it's girth, I'll look into that :)

For the clothing, I mentioned this many pages back, it's a hybrid of Mace Windu's garb, and Kit Fisto's garb, with a little extra tossed in. I think Arco's default Fisto skin is fantastic and wouldnt change the colors at all, that's up to him though :D

Thanks for the feedback guys :)

edit: And Sith, c&c is always welcome :D

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Gram_Reaper
09-04-2002, 11:27 PM
Yeah, the model looks great. Hes my bros favorite player and once i play him it might get my bro off playing diablo for a while. Yeah the only thing that i say needs changing was the neck width. But good thing your listening to these nitpicks. . .some modelers just dont care.

-Tercero-
09-04-2002, 11:48 PM
You might want to raise the middle of his head a bit - his forehead is pretty long in the movies. The model's head looks a bit short and squared off compared to the ref pics to me. Keep up the good work!

keo718
09-05-2002, 12:13 AM
Yeah, the top of his head is definitely too flat. Also his chin should be a bit smaller, try moving it up and in on both sides a little. I think that should do it.

edit: Also, will he always be smiling? Not a big deal either way.

Oh, one more observation, his nose in the reference picture is shorter, and you might want to move his mouth up as well(Along with the chin & nose).

Toonces
09-05-2002, 05:50 AM
I'll play around with the head a bit, just to see if I can make some improvements, I'm satisfied with the head myself, but I might make a tweak here and there, it shouldnt affect the uv's any

Oh, and Keo, I'm gonna rig the face for animation so he won't have the same expression all the time.

Oh, and one last thing, I said it yesterday to you over IM, but I wanted to state publicly how absolutely brilliant that Red CTF skin you made is Arco :D I showed it to some of my friends and they all went crazy, great job :D

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<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
09-05-2002, 06:02 AM
No screenies of the red skin? anyway the facial expression thing sounds great Toonces. Really strikes my intrest. :)

Enjoi9187
09-05-2002, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by Arco
right more from me. CTF this time. Soon tomorrow I will be finished an then soon after that toonces can release me hopes.

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/red-fisto.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/red-fisto-face.jpg

oh yeah on the icon being all blended... well i went over the image to make it look nicer fort eh icon. It doesn't quite fit together that well on the proper skin... but it's close.

Arco:deathii:

umm.... this is the red ctf skin....

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
09-05-2002, 06:39 AM
Ah, thanks. I must have missed that. Yeah the red skin does look badass. I like it alot. Great work arco.

Darth-Nasty
09-05-2002, 07:39 AM
Evil kit fisto!

wow that is amazing!:)

i love the way that arco and others are using the red ctf skin as an oportunity to come up with original sith characters rather than just change the color of one piece of clothing

does this cool looking sith have a name? or is it just evil kit fisto?

Toonces
09-05-2002, 07:46 AM
I know it's not Darth Fisto, Arco thought up a cool name but I can't remember it off the top of my head.

I've got my work cut out for me though to come up with a blue skin that's even half as good :)

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Kit_Fisto4
09-05-2002, 09:13 AM
Rofl! Man i'm confused!!!!!!!!! I registered for Lucas Forums just to post on this. Yesterday, Arco was saying yal were gonna be done. Now ur sayin u got ur work cut out for u?! What exactly is left to do and about when can i get my hands of Fisto? Lol its my name on the zone and i want it soooo bad! Kit Fisto is who i am in RPGs and FFAs and like i said, MY NAME ON THE ZONE! AOJ_Kit_Fisto4 anybody know me? heh. OK just wondering what is going on. It seems like when everyone is about done there is an extra thing to add (that i proly don't really care about, GIVE ME FISTO!). As long as u have the main skin and the model can ya just post it on jediknightii.net called Kit Fisto Model Beta? Ok i'm done fussing. Great Work! I've been lookin to this model ever since i bought the game. About time someone made. And thankfully they are someone who can do a GOOD JOB. Super Model and Skinning!

12thMonkey
09-05-2002, 03:46 PM
It will be done when it is done. The whole point of having C&C is to make a model look the best it can be and more time is needed to get this model as accurate as possible.

The Sith model looks incredible but the eyes will look better if you, maybe have some sort of red reflective shader on the eyes or a red tatoo around the eyes, to releave the shadow around them.

Kit_Fisto4
09-05-2002, 06:46 PM
I don't mind waiting. I just don't wanna wait for a blue CTF skin (honestly). Can ya give me an idea of when it will be done? I wanna have it before i start school back up. Not that i'm rushing ya. heh.

Toonces
09-05-2002, 06:54 PM
I'm not going to release a beta, he's just not ready to go yet. Do you really want me to release a sub par product? It would make some people happy, and I DO make these models for the community, I just cannot in good faith release something that I am not 100% proud of.

The good news is that there are several people working on skins for him, hopefully I'll have a blue ctf skin to show you guys soon :D

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mariners2001
09-05-2002, 07:00 PM
hey toonces, do you know when the sdk will be released?....i'd still like a shot at skinning a version of fitso..if you want to, you could e-mail me here (robinhawk@yahoo.com) . i'd be more than happy to try and skin one for you. the model is looking very nice...

Toonces
09-05-2002, 07:12 PM
I'm still debateing doing an sdk, that's a change from when I definatly was going to release one, but I keep changeing my mind in favor of a smaller scale release. If however you would like to do a skin for him mariner, I'll pack him up and send him over to you :)

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SpYzEr
09-05-2002, 07:14 PM
Hey what is a SDK? :confused:

Darth Loki
09-05-2002, 07:25 PM
Arco, those red ctf skins look awesome. hope i'll be able to use it in normal multi...

mariners2001
09-05-2002, 09:06 PM
awesome! a triple post! :D Anyway, yeah, that'd be great if I could get a shot. If you have any specific ideas for a skin just drop me a note to my e-mail. Thanks.

icepool
09-05-2002, 09:24 PM
Are you f***king kidding me? That red skin has to be one of the best skins I ever saw. My god this model is gonna rock!:cheers:
By the way the idea for the red shader for the eyes is a great idea and I definately believe would add another 100% to that skin!:D

Toonces
09-05-2002, 09:45 PM
heh, Arco's red ctf skin does kick some serious ass :D

That tripple post thing was wierd, I have no idea how that happened

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mariners2001
09-05-2002, 09:49 PM
the red skin is awesome, this pack is going to be great

by the way toonces, if you do send the file, my account may not accept it if it's too big... if you don't mind, tell me when you send it and i'll see if i actually got it. thanks.

Master Bodle
09-05-2002, 10:34 PM
Tht red skin is killer. I have to have him as my multiplayer character. He looks so Evil, just how a sith should look.

GreenDevil
09-05-2002, 11:00 PM
Greetings,

First off I'd like to apologize. It seems some people have referred to my last post as bashing the model, and that is FAR from my objective. I just merely want this model to be one of the best... one that stands out their with Yoda and Plo Koon models.

Next, I'm sorry about the poor reference pics. I merely opend that one with the wide head because someone posted that prior, and I just used that. I really didn't think about doing some more research to see if THAT pic was really accurate or not.

Anyway, I just want you guys to know your doing a great job, and KEEP IT UP!!!

Dr_Lazarus
09-06-2002, 01:24 AM
Well, that was my pic, GreenDevil, and like you, I was never bashing this model at all... I love it! I may get flamed for this, but I think Arco's red CTF skin, while very nicely detailed, is too bland and dark. Sure he can be evil, but evil creatures like more than just monochomatic colors and red. I would like to see at least his skin and clothing as apparently different colors.

As for the eyes, again, with your shots Toonces, they are not incredibly detailed either, and in all of the following promotional shot, Kit Fisto has human-like eyes in the darker regions. If they felt he should not have them, I assume they would have been edited in post on the promo shots as well as the movie, knowing how much of a stickler Lucas is. If it was supposed to be glares from light sources, those are perfectly spaced lights.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kitfisto/eu.html

Anyway, after looking at the default and red CTF skins, I really do not care whether you put the "eyes" in or not. I just cannot wait to use the model in-game, and maybe design my own custom skin. I would not mind taking a shot at a blue CTF skin, but I do not want to start a long line of people asking for the model because they say they'll do a skin for you, so if you would like to give one more person a go at it, I will do my best. Just PM me and let me know.

Very nice job, Toonces and Arco! :)

Lord Tnuc
09-06-2002, 01:49 AM
As I remember, there is a shot of Luke and Vader..from the old trilogy..came out before star wars did...it's got..luke holding a red lightsaber, and vader a blue. They didn't edit THAT, did they?

Anyway...Toonces, I tried to PM you about something. Not sure if it worked, cuz I haven't gotten a reply.
I basically had a problem with 3dstudiomax, and now I have milkshape, and I don't know how or where to begin. lol

Arco
09-06-2002, 07:18 AM
right well on the red skin being too simple. I agree. but thats what i went for. And the same goes for the default skin. I have done this for two reasons. 1- in a game any game you are not really going to see the player models close up much and they are going to be moving around constantly, so too stop it looking messy you keep the textures simple and bold and overemphasize certain things. So for an evil guy lots of black and red and then people KNOW he is evil. Thats just me. Also since he is a jedi he still has simple clothes so that is the other reason why I kept the colours almost uniform. I think I know what i'm talking about here... still good points.

Arco:deathii:

Nanodagiardino
09-06-2002, 08:09 AM
I love your Red CTF version Arco, but I crit the fact that it has very little red in it. (I just stormed the thread very quickly so sorry if it has been said.)

Toonces
09-06-2002, 01:10 PM
oops, I think I must have confused you guys, I never thought anyone was bashing the model, I just didnt agree with you GreenDevil about the width of the face. Your other two points were dead on though :)

I just wanted to illustrate how that refrence shot was rather poor at showing the actual width of the head so I posted a few of my other refrence pics. It definatly wasn't a flame, I don't ever flame, It is pointless, and not nice, if I dissagree with something I'll just explain why I dissagree.

I really like how "simple" Arco's two skins are, I'm not really sure how complex you can really make the clothing on simple Jedi Garb, it's not complex to begin with. The only suggestion that I might make is to blend in some sort of cloth texture underneath what he has done on the clothing thus far.

Playing in-game with Arco's default skin truely is a great experence, it looks beautiful in game :D

Oh, good news guys, Sithlord is making a blue ctf skin, he sent me some early work and it looks really good, I'll put a shot up as soon as he gives me the word :)

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Darth-Nasty
09-06-2002, 01:31 PM
come on arco whats sith fisto's name???

Grafox
09-06-2002, 02:25 PM
Toonces, I have to anounce that I am canceling my skin for this awsome model, just because the lack of time I have.
sorry...

IPHDTD
09-06-2002, 03:33 PM
For the Red CTF skin, I think you should make his eyes yellow. with cat/reptilian like pupils. the black eyes will blend into his face too much and you won't see them. i think his eyes would be cool if they almost look like the eye of Sauron from the Lord of the Rings movie. it will give him a very evil presence, he will look more reptilian than amphibious.

thats just what i think though. this model looks great. cant wait to use it. :D

Enjoi9187
09-06-2002, 04:02 PM
putting pupils on him will totally take away from what kit fisto is

Toonces
09-06-2002, 04:08 PM
That's ok GraFox, hopefully we'll be able to work together again in the future :D I really dig your style :)

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Kururin
09-06-2002, 04:16 PM
Looks Awesome Toonces I cant wait

I hate being impatient :(

Dragonlancer
09-06-2002, 07:48 PM
You know guys, I think we gotta give toonces and arco (let's call them "team fisto" from here on) a big round of applause, one thing we really can't complain about is a lack of updates. We all remember the obi-wan/qui-gon threads. and of course klorels mace windu thread.

Anyway, I just thought they deserve some recognition for that. awsome work guys, keep it up.

Dr_Lazarus
09-06-2002, 11:13 PM
I agree... great job Toonces and Arco!

By the way, when I said "more complex", I meant that his garb would possibly be a different color than his skin tone. Right now, red CTF Kit Fisto has grey skin and grey clothes with a touch of red tattooing. It wasn't a reference to details, but more along the lines of making him visually interesting. There are no rear angles to go by, but from the looks of it, whoever uses red Kit is just going to see a bunch of grey.

Now I would not change anything with the default skin... it looks superb!! Can't wait to see all 3 skins! Keep up the good work guys!