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Lord Ignasius
08-08-2002, 12:31 AM
I personally do. When he closes a thread he doesn't just close it. he adds a rude remark, making the person who's thread got closed angry and want to reply, but cant cuz the thread was deleted.

HE ACTS SO IMMACHURE!

I dont think we need a 5 yr old mod for our forums. I really am sick of it. I remember when Chrono was workin on those Mods for npc's and posted it in the modelling thread, which in all truth does not relate to modelling,but to general editing. I then posted mine, listed all the models, and skins with the authors names, and provided pictures. Guess What? He closed it, and included the remark of you cant use my Red Yoda skin which technaclly(sp?) I can. As you can see his Dictatorship is getting way out of hand. The purpose of a forum, is not to show of work, which is what you are required to do to post in the modelling forum. How is the editing of JkO going to improve if newbies cant post for help. I personally think that a modelling forum is not designed to be just for showing off work.

So please give your opinion and complete the poll, And may Kman be banned

Bungalow
08-08-2002, 12:38 AM
Well Said

Twisted Vertex
08-08-2002, 12:41 AM
Personally I think This thread is completely useless BECASUE the admins have already stated that kman is doing an exceptional job. Plus I am sure, he is probably aware of the fact that people are alittle disgruntled. But him being removed will never happen. Plus he can only do so much.

Personally i think the comments are rather humours BECAUSE, the person genrally posting is in the wrong, by not following the rules. AND I am sorry for you if you can't take alittle sarcasm.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 12:45 AM
That is WAY off course mushashi. Kman has deleted and closed threads for no apparent reason. He closed the Yoda thread long after pages of useless spam had been put in and he won't even delete all the threads that little ****er tru_weed_smoka3 puts up. Plus he definetely DOES add immature little babyish comments once he closes a thread so that HE gets the last word and there ain't **** that you can do about it. I say he's out or he changes his course bye a LOT.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 12:47 AM
Now I also realize that he has done some very impressive modeling work. I suggest he possibly be on probabation or something like that. His work has definetely been impressive with the yoda model. But the favorites has got to stop. End of story.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 12:50 AM
Then again I forgot that he doesn't have the balls to admit that he is playing favorites.

Twisted Vertex
08-08-2002, 12:57 AM
way off course HUH?


ok lets see.



He won't delete the usless spam of tur_weed_smoka becasue he wasn't on. IF you looked at the people logged on, he wasn;t one of them. So it was impossible for him to delete the threads.

Favortism huh? I have really only have ONE case and that was with kinja. But that would be a very ingornant thing to get upset about, Becasue well favortism exists all around. People get strings pulled for them all the time. I posted this before, but there is a good saying "Its not what you know but who you know"..

If you think that this does not exist, you live in a very small bubble. I suggest, you don't worry about kman and the lamers, and the spammers and the wannabes, and even the POSers. Unless they utter your name IGNORE them. why becasue it doens't concern you.

If you follow the rules, your threads won't get shot down, and they will live a long and happy life.

ronbrothers
08-08-2002, 01:00 AM
Total agreement.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 01:01 AM
On the contrary Kman even posted on one of tru weed smokas forums. He WAS online when weed was causin all that trouble. You still haven't brought up the point of him adding childish remarks when he closes threads. I see him do it almost all the time.

Twisted Vertex
08-08-2002, 01:04 AM
childish remarks....personally I think they are well diserved.. it sounds and look better than what some of you post.....generally looks like this


*********** *********** *****

the remark are supposed to sound scarastic, and YES they do have a tendency to sound lame and kid like, but hell if you have a shread of personality you might get it.

Again, maybe if you know the RIGHT people someday you could moderate, and play god. I know I would.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 01:09 AM
Well if that's your opinion you should look at the forum that had only 2 replies. Mine and the person that started it. It wasn't pages and pages of useless spam like some threads. The person that started the thread wanted to know when the next version of the Battle Droid was coming out and I said that's a good question. Kman closes the thread with this remark "Why not wait for it like a normal person." Now that is just plain outta line. Maybe you should look at the thread started by BradFu on this subject and read it from beginning to end as I did.
As for the battle droid post I'll try to find it and get you the link so that you can see how immature Kman really is.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 01:13 AM
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73428 This is the link. Whoever said that we were impatient? There hand't been word of the Battle Droid for a quite a while at the time this thread was posted and Kman should have known that. There is another thread just like the link posted above and that one isn't closed. Why? This is the second thread. It's a little old now that the WIP:Battle Droid thread has been updated but nonetheless shows basically the same points of both threads and this one has not been closed: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73529

MUHAHAHAHAHA
08-08-2002, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by funny_dude0
Well if that's your opinion you should look at the forum that had only 2 replies. Mine and the person that started it. It wasn't pages and pages of useless spam like some threads. The person that started the thread wanted to know when the next version of the Battle Droid was coming out and I said that's a good question. Kman closes the thread with this remark "Why not wait for it like a normal person." Now that is just plain outta line. Maybe you should look at the thread started by BradFu on this subject and read it from beginning to end as I did.
As for the battle droid post I'll try to find it and get you the link so that you can see how immature Kman really is.

funny_dude0, you just don't seem to get the point... Did you follow forum rules when you posted that thread? Nope, you sure didn't. Did Kman have the right to lock your thread? Yes, he did. In fact, according to forum rules, he was OBLIGED to lock it. ALL requests go in the request thread. All questions about a particular model go in that model's thread... How hard is that to comprehend? C'mon people, you were born w/ a brain, learn to use it.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 01:15 AM
Then Muahaha why wasn't this second thread closed?

BradFu
08-08-2002, 01:15 AM
musashi, the attitude of "Life isn't fair" while accurate, doesn't mean we shouldn't be upset about it and demand change. Favoritism doesn't have to happen, just because it can. Innappropriate comments don't have to be accepted. If the LucasForums staff decides that kind of behavior is acceptable, then we'll have to live with it. But no Administrator has weighed in yet. From what I know of LucasForums, they try to have quality moderators, but occasionally things slip through the cracks. With all the forums encompassed by LucasForums, it's understandable that they can't keep an eye on everything, so we need to draw their attention here and hope they take the complaints and concerns seriously. Taking an attitude of "Don't bother, you're not going to get your way" is very defeatist, and indicates to me that some people don't care about the community enough to raise their voice in protest.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 01:43 AM
Thank you bradfu.

Twisted Vertex
08-08-2002, 01:50 AM
Yeah, I have tried to tell everyone that the community is going down, Its up to us the posters to realize the rules, and just follow them.


I am sorry that he didn't close the thread, I am sorry he hurt your feelings with the remark and closed the thread. I am truly sorry. Saracism...Ok the fact is in order to get this community up and rolling again, people have to READ the post before posting, and not just shoot off random questions. We have people asking what program is the best to use for modeling EVERY DAY, don't yoou think that is a bit of a problem. Kman must be loaded with work on deleting on the same thing over and over. Chances are he is going to miss some of the small stuff.


Well has anything been acomplished thus far? I have seen the adims step in and say " A+ for kman". but no change. The change begins with US. We have to stop flaming each other, and just hep each other out regardless. Read the posts before postings. Saying something conscrutive would go great lengths, a perfect example would be the tom servo thread. Emon posted that it look like a school girl. then that developed into alittle fight.


I am kinda getting off track becase well, nothing can be changed really.....its kinda of a hopeless adnveture. the only thing that can be fixed is jsut to leave the forum and don't look back.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 01:52 AM
Hey mushashi please don't stop posting on these threads your SO helpful... sarcasm. Sheesh your right on Kman's level. Pretty bad for you. And that help each other out crap that you sayin... that's bs cuz you ain't helpin right now. All ya doin is pissin me off. The battle droid thread that I replied to was 2 requests and the other thread was more than that.

Twisted Vertex
08-08-2002, 01:54 AM
thanks FUNNY-DUDE, you quite the comedian also...sarcasm.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 01:55 AM
Ow i'm so hurt... com on that the best you got?

BradFu
08-08-2002, 01:55 AM
I understand the frustration with people posting things over and over, and I agree that stuff like that needs to be stopped. The problem is that it's not always just closed, it tends to be accomponied by a rude remark, then closed. The favoritism bit that came up recently was just too much.

As I said before, the admins have not weighed in. They haven't said "Great Job" or given KMan an A+, because they have not posted one word on the subject. Eets is the closest to that, but he's not an Administrator, he's a Super-Op from the GB forums. Aristotle and ZeroXcape have been e-mailed, so I hope they will come in and make a decision soon. It's not necessary to give up yet, especially if you're giving up because you think the Administrators have sided with KMan. At this point, we can still try to rescue this forum. I won't be giving up until an Administrator comes over and says KMan is doing everything right.

Emon
08-08-2002, 01:56 AM
It's not the fact that he closes threads and does his job, it's the fact that he sometimes DOESN'T.

Example:

He stated there should be NO recruiting for TCs and stuff. Kinja posts a TC thread and Kman does NOT close it because he says he likes Kinja's ideas. Whether he likes them or not, if he closes one he needs to close them ALL, and not play favorites.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 01:56 AM
Okay so what are we going to do? I think after all these threads that have been posted Kman hopefully got the point about favoritism. So maybe we should just go about normally eh?

Deetox187
08-08-2002, 01:57 AM
I find it utterly hilarious that the poster of this thread thinks he knows how a forum should be run, if i'm not mistaken hes that same Studman fellow who was harrassing everyone here not too long ago. :rolleyes:

SiThLoRd><1000
08-08-2002, 01:57 AM
I think both sides have their points. He is usually very good at what he does but he has been acting like a jerk reccently. Hopefully in time, he wont do the same things and we can all get over this pointless bickering. :deathstar

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 01:59 AM
Yeah his work in the past has been remarkable by all means. But some of his choices of forums to close and his reasons/comments on the closing posts are way outta line.

Twisted Vertex
08-08-2002, 02:03 AM
Hey emon, whats up......whatca doing here. Now your the last person I thought i would ever see in this thread. You Mr. consturctive criticism himslef....oops damn is that more sarcasm. must be a new york thing, it just pops right out. Pardon me.

Well, I am sorry, I hadn't realized that ets wasn't an admin. Once again, The change doesn't lie with kman, and it lies with us. Kinja shouldn't of even posted that here ANYWAYS. If HE followed the rule, then there would of been no problems.

BradFu
08-08-2002, 02:03 AM
I agree that KMan has done some good for this forum. I've stated before that I personally wouldn't mind if KMan stayed in his position, but worked on doing it in a manner more befitting his title. I've been waiting anxiously for him to post anything that even resembles an apology or acknowledgement that he has made some mistakes. So far, the only response to this has been flat out denial (of the favoritism), sarcastic remarks, and most of all, silence. If he isn't willing to discuss this, then that indicates to me he doesn't feel anything needs to be discussed, and thus he has no intention of changing. There is a clear dissatisfaction with some of his actions from a number of people so far, including newer people as well as some that have been around for some time. One way or another, this needs to be resolved.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 02:08 AM
So I suppose your mister constructiver criticism then eh Mushahsi? Jeez you are one of those rich boys that get everything their way aren't you?

BradFu
08-08-2002, 02:08 AM
Musashi, if you think that we should change to fit around KMan's innapropriate behavior rather than him change or be removed, your logic circuits must not be functioning properly. If he is doing things wrong (which it is clear, he is) then he should change. What you're saying sounds to me like "He can do whatever he wants, just get used to it." So far, I haven't seen a reason to beleive that we must live with the problem. If something is wrong and no one stands up against it, the situation will continue to get worse. By saying we should just forget it and let him do whatever he wants, you're essentially saying you don't care about these forums and if they go down in flames, it wouldn't bother you. That's not how I feel, and it's not how a lot of other people feel. If this ends up doing us no good, at least we tried. You can sit idly by if you want, but personally, I'm still standing.

KMan
08-08-2002, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by funny_dude0
On the contrary Kman even posted on one of tru weed smokas forums. He WAS online when weed was causin all that trouble.

I WAS online only after had had posted all of that crap, and I went and deleted as many of the posts as I could find. Maybe I wasn't fast enough for you. Maybe I should be online all the time, I'm not a machine you know.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 02:11 AM
Well said BradFu. It's very simple. Kman has made some mistakes that he is either not willing to admit, unable to see, or just doesn't care. He admits that he mades mistakes the same way that mushashi compliments us by saying okay i'm sorry... sarcasm. He has to realize at least his inappropriate remarks that he makes when closing a thread.

funny_dude0
08-08-2002, 02:13 AM
Well Kman since in that forum you actually asked permission to close something as pathetic as that tru smokas forums and in other forums that only slightly bend the rules you see no problem in ruling with an iron fist. I just don't understand that.

Twisted Vertex
08-08-2002, 02:14 AM
RICH boy lol, I was a bike messanger for 3 months. Don't go rich boy me. LOL........rich boy...........thats a good one.........LOL..you do know what that job is right.......? let me fill you in, you probably won't believe me, but its true.

The job invovled basically doing a kamiazze run throught the city to a spefic destination to pick up and drop off a package. If you don't believe me..I have pics. I was doing this until i got hit by a car, which then I fell in love with art and modeling.

BradFu
08-08-2002, 02:15 AM
I definitely agree with KMan on that point. He can't be everywhere, all the time. I think this forum would benefit by having at least two active moderators (Roger doesn't count, because he's never around, and I'm almost convinced he's fictional :) ) Two or three active moderators would also create a bit of a "checks and balances" system, in that one moderator won't be able to make every decision unilaterally.

For the Skinning forum, I would nominate HapSlash to be the second moderator. He's always very helpful to people, and treats people well. I don't know who I would nominate for the modelling forum, but there are some good people here.

What does everyone else think about requesting more moderators? Perhaps a lot of the problems can be resolved simply by lessening KMan's load. It probably gets really old having to tell people to post in the requests thread or visit the Read First threads over and over again.

VampireHunterD
08-08-2002, 02:19 AM
I WAS online only after had had posted all of that crap, and I went and deleted as many of the posts as I could find. Maybe I wasn't fast enough for you. Maybe I should be online all the time, I'm not a machine you know.

Yes I agree Kman. No one is perfect. Now why don't all you people just drop this whole matter and get on with your WIP's? Can we not have a little peace around here?

Please people, drop the matter and stop posting these threads. You're also making other people's new WIP threads they just posted and haven't had any replies for go down the thread line. Please just forget the whole thing.

Kman could use a little more help as well once in a while. Being a moderator is a somewhat hard and annoying job. I don't think he enjoys having to go through all those threads and seeing which ones are needing to be closed. You people don't have to go through a whole-bunch of posts a day.

KMan
08-08-2002, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by Emon
It's not the fact that he closes threads and does his job, it's the fact that he sometimes DOESN'T.

Example:

He stated there should be NO recruiting for TCs and stuff. Kinja posts a TC thread and Kman does NOT close it because he says he likes Kinja's ideas. Whether he likes them or not, if he closes one he needs to close them ALL, and not play favorites.

Not true. During that period that Kinja's thread came up, I was debating weather or not to close it. I'm sure most of you don't know me enough to tell that I am quite sarcastic. My wife could tell you that. The point is, I talked to several people. Some said to let Mod's and TC's be posted, some said to close them. I went ahead and started to unlock some of the threads that posted looking for help. I talked to Kinja, then I decided to go back and close them and add to the Guidelines with what I thought would help bring more people to the Mod Central forums.

KMan
08-08-2002, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by BradFu

For the Skinning forum, I would nominate HapSlash to be the second moderator. He's always very helpful to people, and treats people well.


Definatly would be nice to have someone else in the forums besides Roger the corpse. But I think HapSlash would not be a good idea. You should probably ask him first, but I'd imagine he would be too busy skinning everything to take that on.

Originally posted by BradFu

What does everyone else think about requesting more moderators? Perhaps a lot of the problems can be resolved simply by lessening KMan's load. It probably gets really old having to tell people to post in the requests thread or visit the Read First threads over and over again.

Yes, it get's really, really old.. fast. Seeing the same question over, and over, when they could find the information and save everyone a bunch of time.

VampireHunterD
08-08-2002, 02:27 AM
So you see people, Kman is trying his best to help these forums. ;)

BradFu
08-08-2002, 02:31 AM
True, have to find people who are both involved in the community, and not so busy with projects that they can't do much moderating. I still think HapSlash would be a good choice if he were up to it, and felt he could devote enough time to it. Perhaps we should have a sort of "election", let people make nominations on who they feel would be good and why, narrow it down until we've chosen some good people, or get the Administrators to choose from the nomations.

(By the way - I'm glad to see you discussing this now, KMan, that's what I've been hoping for. I don't think the problems that exist now are insurmountable if we all put our heads together and find a good solution)

VampireHunterD
08-08-2002, 02:33 AM
the tom servo thread. Emon posted that it look like a school girl. then that developed into alittle fight.

Ummm.. Mushashi? The Tom Servo thread wasn't the one that Emon said that in. He said that in Midgit Yoda's Dark Helmet thread. Don't get those two confused dude. :D

ReIIiK
08-08-2002, 02:34 AM
I don't know, I can actually understand Kman, hes got a hard job, his attitude seems bad sometimes, but it comes from what he deals with here. If any thing I'd like to help him out, I'm a News man and Forum moderator over at The Jedi Sanctuary.

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
08-08-2002, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Lord Ignasius

HE ACTS SO IMMACHURE!


:lol:hahahahaha:lol:hahahahahah:lol:!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!:lol:

man... thanks for the laugh wooo hoo that was funny Immachure hahaha Inmature

nomad
08-08-2002, 02:38 AM
I'm going to throw out a suggestion to everyone involved here.
(I do have some experience in settling disputes and helping others to reach peaceful agreement)

I suggest that everyone puts everything in the past, for now. Give everyone and anyone in question the benefit of the doubt that they will behave and/or perform properly.
Perhaps now that things have been put out in the open, a better understanding has been gained by all sides.
I really suggest holding no grudges, forgetting all grievances and continuing along in a normal fashion. Only then will you see if there are any differences to your liking.

-nomad

MTFBWY

StarViperPilot
08-08-2002, 02:38 AM
This post is not helping and is pointless (they won't remove kman). I think kman has done a good job over all (a lot better than some mods i've seen). Personally I think he should close this thread, it's become not much more than a flame war. :fire3: :fire2:

BradFu
08-08-2002, 02:44 AM
Actually, StarViperPilot, this thread is turning into a good discussion. Perhaps we should move it to a different thread, however.

nomad - I fully agree. I'm all for a peaceful solution :) As I've said previously, I don't intend to hold any grudge against KMan, I have no problem with him as a person, but I felt the moderating problems needed to be discussed. KMan is now discussing, and already I have a better understanding of his position.

Emon
08-08-2002, 02:45 AM
Yeah, VHD is right. I also fail to see how my opinion of a model has anything to do with this thread.

VampireHunterD
08-08-2002, 02:48 AM
I say if we're gonna start nominations for adding in new moderators we should set up a new thread for it. It should be titled as this:

"New Moderators Nominations Thread"

Well, how about it Bradfu? You and some others are wanting to nominate some people to be new moderators. So I think you should go ahead, make a new thread for it, and see how many nominations you could get for it. I'm sure you could work out all of this stuff this way. :D

inbredyokel
08-08-2002, 03:57 AM
Of course we need to ask him first, but I do think Hapslash would be an excellent moderator on the skinning forum. It's not like it would take up any of his time anyway. The skinning forum gets all of what, 15 posts a day? Speaking of which, visit the skinning forum people!!! Great stuff goes on there!! There's more to life than just models!

dreddsnott
08-08-2002, 04:16 AM
I would love to see some more moderators on this forum. It's rather active, and one mod doesn't quite cut it (kman does have a lot to do besides moderate!).

I have 5 years of forum moderation experience for top-level game-centered domains...enough to know that poor kman is probably pretty much overrun right now. Especially with the talented output he's been putting out. :D

Anavel Gato
08-08-2002, 04:47 AM
I think he should stay as a moderator because I have nothing against him.

would like if he would do some things to keep the forum a bit more clean like:
- periodically clean the "request thread" into a new thread with a list of all requested models and the name of the people requesting them.
- create a thread with all the links to tutorials and tutorial sites that people have posted and update it periodically.
- delete all posts containing "bump" either manually or automatically because they add nothing to threads except for making them enlessly long

Maybe adding a moderator or 2 to this forum can make these things happen.

UniKorn
08-08-2002, 05:17 AM
I just took a look at the closed threads, doesn't seem anything wrong with it.

SAIK HUAT
08-08-2002, 05:45 AM
this thread means nothing to me. If kman wasnt here the forums would be just like they were about a month ago. Messy, overloaded and with to many pointless polls just like this one.

Luuke
08-08-2002, 06:26 AM
i have no idea what this is all abaout... all i can say is that i stick to the rules of the forum and i never had any problems with KMan or any other moderator.
but as long as there are always people who just don't act right i can understand that the moderators have to bring order to this place to keep the community alive! and when a moderator makes a mistake (they are just human) talk to them and clear that... no need to kick their a$$

Frumpus
08-08-2002, 06:30 AM
Hmm.

I DO agree that I've seen "some" of the things Kman has said/done to be arbitrary, arrogant and/or discouraging to beginners. These are NOT good things for a moderator to exhibit. (I could search for examples if needed, but I'd rather just put it in the past and move on).

However. . .. .. .

How many of us (those that have criticisms) have offered to help out KMan with the duties? How many of us have made his job easier by REFRAINING from flaming and petty disputes - OR starting useless/lazy threads? How many of us have given him POSITIVE feedback when it's due? (and I know it HAS been) How many of us have put ourselves in the shoes of an administrator?

The fact is, those in leadership usually have to put up with alot more **** than those UNDER leadership.

I remember as a student - I always thought the teachers/leaders/organizers had life SOOO easy; from my point of view - I would have gladly traded places with them.
After my graduation, I returned to the same school and joined the staff team. . . . boy did I find out how wrong I was: the responsibilities of co-ordinators/leaders are SOOO much greater; PLUS you are expected to be a role model for others! Most of my energy ended up being misplaced: worrying about those FEW troublemakers. . . INSTEAD of just enjoying the ones who my leadership easy and followed the rules. I think we'd make it all easier for moderators/leadership in general if we followed the rules. :)

Be thankful that someone has offered their time (volunteered, I suppose) and skills to try to make this forum a more organized place. And if you SEE something you like - TELL them you're pleased about it! (this goes for life in general - EVERYBODY likes a pat on the back).

Our societies have become far too focused on "rights", and too lax on the "responsibilities" that accompany them. Nomad has a good point. We're all human, and all make mistakes. If claims infallibility, then yeah, they have a problem. But whining about it usually just causes defensiveness or annoyance.

Let's let's stop acting like children. Part of growing up is learning to ADAPT to unfavorable circumstances.


IDEAS:
I second Anavel's suggestions concerning the daily/weekly questions about, for example, "which modelling program is the best?". Would it be possible to make stickies of those?
It seems people are too lazy/busy too search through days/weeks of pages past, yet would probably add comments to a thread already started IF THEY COULD ACCESS THAT THREAD EASILY (I know I've subscribed to MANY thread about Gmax troubleshooting, for fear that I'd LOSE track of them otherwise). It would be great to have all similar threads either compiled into one. . .

OR made into create sticky "sub-forums", so that these new threads wouldn't keep popping up by people who only read the newest page of thread titles? (i.e. "Sticky: Modelling: from start to finish", or "Modelling programs: a comparison", or "Troubleshooting GMax filetypes" - . . . *ahem* .. . note ALL of these I could use a hand with ;) )

OR how about stickies with ONLY links to tutorials and utilities (I know polycount has a great thread about this)
i.e.
Editing Central > Modeling > Sticky: Modelling Programs > Milkshape
Editing Central > Modeling > Sticky: Modelling Programs > 3D Studio Max
Editing Central > Modeling > Sticky: Modelling Programs > Gmax
Editing Central > Modelling > Sticky: UVWMapping Tutorials

OR Periodically "cleaning" the request thread is a good idea too. Actually, I wonder if the requests could be summarized on a different page in a different format. Eg:

(alphabetical/chronological request) (# of requests) (WIPs) (reference links)
1. Aayla Secura__________15__________KMan__________www.good aaylapics.com
2. Anakin Ep2____________5__________Kinja, BradFu____www.starwars.com
3. Jawa_________________2__________Arco___________www .ootini.net
4. Ki-Adi-Mundi___________32_________Anavel
5. Kit Fisto_______________241235_____musashi, funny_dude
etc. . . . etc. . . (or whatever - just something to allow quick reference at a glance, instead of having to sift through tons of pages).

As a newbie modeller, I know there are STILL questions that I have about i.e. .. . different file formats; different import/exprt plugins; the stages of modelling, mapping, skinning, boning, etc. . . . I consider THIS forum my home - but it's hard to find the help I need sometimes.

. . . .my 2 scents . .. .... (grape and fart)

Anavel Gato
08-08-2002, 07:57 AM
I'm all for the "sticky" threads where links to tutorials for the most commonly used 3d packages, 1 for skinmapping and maybe 1 for Assimilate too since people have posted some good tips here.

But it would be nice if only the moderators can modify thee threads otherwise they get polluted and useless loike the "requests" thread.

Since the search option in this forum doesn't really work that hopefully would get rid of some frequently asked questions and help newcomers on the way faster.

-Chrono_MOT-
08-08-2002, 09:16 AM
Chrono was workin on those Mods for npc's and posted it in the modelling thread, which in all truth does not relate to modelling,but to general editing. I then posted mine, listed all the models, and skins with the authors names, and provided pictures.


Who the HELL are you to bring me into this? First of all, my NPC thread DID have pictures, and plenty of them. Second, you are studman. You are the one who posted ****loads of fake model threads, then went off the deepend creating 4 or 5 aliases so you could dodge bullets, need I go on? You are the least respected person here and you spend all your time doing nothing but taking credit for other people's work, trying to make a name for yourself in all the wrong ways.

I'm through with that. You can kiss my ass for all I care. As far as I'm concerned, if kman deleting any bull**** you have to say is a bad job, then he's ok with me.

We're all human. Kman is a moderator, he should be allowed to act human, not like a robot. I could care less what he says when he locks a thread. If you don't like it, don't post garbage, simple as that.

And don't start on favoritism bull****, I've had my fair share of threads wrongfully deleted/locked. Get a damn life.

Ignasius - no one is ever going to respect you, get it in your head and maybe you will be able to get on with life!

Wes Marrakesh
08-08-2002, 12:22 PM
OK...
Both sides of this discussion have good points.
MY question is....
how'd he get to be a mod on almost ALL the forums, even when he may not EVER post in them?

Drakewl
08-08-2002, 12:52 PM
i agree to Frumpus' suggestions, good points you made there

we should support this to get at least a part of the chaos out of the forum

looking into the mapping forum, you can see how sticky threads work, although there are a bunch of people that don't read them and post answered questions again and again, but i guess we will have to live with it, you'll get used to the situation and bitch about other things in your life :)

ZBomber
08-08-2002, 12:57 PM
I say that we let KMan decied if he wants anyone to help him mod and he can choose who...... ok, I'll go back in my corner now.

Wes Marrakesh
08-08-2002, 02:45 PM
Yeah, the mapping forum is pretty clean... but... if kman nrver posts there (at least Roger made something sticky) why is he a mod?
just wondering

dreddsnott
08-08-2002, 03:32 PM
You make an excellent point, Mr. Smoka III, and although I would not discount kman's abilities as a moderator, the simple fact remains that he is not here right now, and you are.

We need more moderators...

Drakewl
08-08-2002, 03:57 PM
Smoka is like a good trained roach evading all actions taken against him, hey this is kind of a compliment, hehe

smashing him, talking about him, banning him and all these offensive actions against him will let more and more smoka-roaches coming out of the godforsaken hole

smoka needs some more weed, a dominant wife and a forum with a lot of bitching bots, then his life will be fulfilled

jlove
08-08-2002, 04:49 PM
I'm not voting for KMan to be removed. He has a tough job to sift through a lot of posts and I'm sure it must be difficult sometimes to decide which post to close or remove and which ones stay.

There are a lot of newbies. I happen to be one of them, who sometimes post in the wrong place. I apologize if I have posted in the wrong place. Like the post I linked below. If what I asked was inappropriate, I apologize.

MacD had already released 2 versions of the roger droid and I asked when the next version was to be released. If I shouldn't ask that, I apologize or if I was in the wrong place posting, I apologize again. Like I said, I am new at this. See my thread below.

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthre...&threadid=73428

I was a little hurt though when KMan replied in my thread the following:

Quote:

How about just waiting for the final version like a normal person?
__________________
The Man... The Myth... The Legend...
KMan

End of Quote.

Maybe he was under a lot of stress when he replied to my post and that's why he belittled me. I know he is busy, but maybe he can be a little more thoughtful in his replies so as not to offend people.

Thanks for listening.

jlove
08-08-2002, 04:55 PM
Sorry. I gave you the wrong address for the thread related to my post above. See, I told you I was new at this. Here is the correct thread address.

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73428

Lord Ignasius
08-08-2002, 09:05 PM
I fully understand both sides, I for one dont want Kman removed, but his attitude toward people needs to change. I hope he decides to change and allow the modelling forum to be not just a valley of WIP's and allow newbies to learn and help the community grow. I dont understand why they want there WIP's on the top. Most WIP's are full of more spam than the threads Kman has closed. Why do modellers with WIP's want so much limelight for their models. I just dont understand how you cant post anything related to modelling when it says you can post anything and everything related to modelling. So Kman you need to change the rules becuase how do you expect newbies to learn how to grow, if they cant ask for help. Someone's quick reply sheds, light on something the newbie was lost on, so please Let people get help, and not leave the modelling forum to a bunch of fame-hungry Modellers, trying to show off their great models, but to open it up to let those few newbs, who could become the greatest modellers, post so they can discover the truth today!

Thx. Lord Ignasius

-Chrono_MOT-
08-08-2002, 09:45 PM
speaking of n00bs...*cough* studman *cough*

scottb
08-08-2002, 11:24 PM
All I got to say is if you don't like it go somewhere else. There are probably other forums out there for you to post. I think K-Man has the right to run his forums the way he sees fit. If he doesn't think something belongs here I think he should remove it.

Midgit Yoda
08-08-2002, 11:41 PM
Look guys, I realize that me and Kman have't particularly been friends throughout the growing of this forum, but nonetheless. I can't see him cut down like this. You guys just have to realize how hard it is to be a Moderator on a forum. Untill you have done it you should not speak a bad word torward him. I used to mod forums quite a bit and it isn't easy. It takes up so much of your time that it's pitiful. The thing that makes me the most angry about this thread is the fact that whenever anything goes wrong in the forum Kman automatically gets all the blame for it. That's the way it goes because humans naturally have a way of finding a way to blame everything on someone else. Most of the problem are us. Not Kman. I'll admit sometimes he does piss me off a bit, but that's human nature as well. If people knew how to behave themselves, we wouldn't need Kman as a moderator. But obviously we do. People of authority always get hatred. Take the police for example. Lets say you get pulled over for speeding and get a ticket. After the cop leaves you're always like, "damn fat ass cop" or something like that. When actually if you had followed the rules in the first place, you wouldn't of had the confruntation with the cop. Anyway, that's my spill on this topic. And I think Kman is doing a good job as well. Keep it up Kman.

BradFu
08-08-2002, 11:55 PM
When someone is making mistakes, especially when they are in a position of authority, someone has to call them on it, or no change can occur. I know KMan didn't set out to do anything wrong, I'm sure he just didn't realize how some things affected others. With the incident that started all of this, I personally didn't care all that much about Kinja's thread staying open while others had been closed. It wasn't a huge problem. The problem I had was the lack of acknowledgement/discussion about it from KMan. Even with the little he's said about it since, I think the situation has improved. I voted differently originally, but if I had the ability to change it, I would go with #3. Most of what I think needs changing is talking about things, including concerns forum users have, as well as decision-making (ie, forming rules). I think this thread will fade away before too long just like mine did, when everything has been said that needs to be said. I have nothing left to say on this topic, though others might. I think if anyone has any other concerns either way regarding KMan or the way he's being treated, it should be said, but otherwise, we should let this thread drop off of Page 1 :)

Midgit Yoda
08-09-2002, 12:06 AM
Kman did nothing wrong in my opinion. They have him as a moderator to CLOSE forums and keep peace. And believe it or not favoritism is a matter of life. Intentional or unintentional. I do it, you do it, he does it, everyone does. NO ONE can help it. I don't understand the people on these forums. Kman is a great Modeler, skinner, and Moderator. He's on like all the time, and he knows how to keep peace pretty well but obviously there are always a few dicks (pardon my language) that screw it up. Give him a break. I'm sure he would appreciate someone just merely PMing him and saying, "you know kman, the fact that you blah blah blahed pisses me off man. If you could, please try not to do that anymore." But most people are all like, "YOU MOTHER ****ER! I WANT YOU OUT OF THIS FORUM! BLAH BLAH!" Lets face it, the fact that there is controversy in a Starwars Game modeling forum makes this whole topic LAME! It's like battle of the nerds (and yes I'll be the first to admit that i am a nerd as well). Just lay off of him. Give him a break. Obviously he has a solid place in this forum and lets face it, we don't. So if you don't like it, leave. It's your decision. No one is making you stay here. If you don't like the way he runs it just leave. That's all i can tell you b/c I think he's handling it well.

BradFu
08-09-2002, 12:22 AM
Midget, I personally haven't taken any issue with his closing threads. The incident that started this was that he DID NOT close a thread, and specifically stated he was keeping it open because he thinks Kinja's ideas are good. That's one reason I think having this in the open is helpful, because even WITH the explanation out there for people to read, some people still don't bother to find out what actions are being questioned. Please, everone, if you feel the need to add to this thread, read the rest of it first before responding.

Midgit Yoda
08-09-2002, 12:27 AM
Look Bradfu. I don't want to argue with you. I just give up already. Obviously you all are so dead set on getting him gone that you are blind to new opinions. I am not posting here anymore so I would request that you don't even speak of me here anymore. This thread is stupid and I refuse to post in it anymore.

BradFu
08-09-2002, 12:35 AM
Again, you are not reading the other posts. Most people are not interested in getting rid of him. We're now talking about other solutions. I stated just a couple posts back that I do NOT think KMan should be removed. In just a matter of minutes, you've thrown out 3 ignorant posts (here and another thread). Read what has been said so you can avoid the mistake of accusing someone of something they're not doing.

Nanodagiardino
08-09-2002, 04:54 AM
Personaly I think this poll(thread) is umiliating toward both the moderator and forum users(did you guys stop and think about it for a second? Do we realy needed this crap?). I would like to see it deleted at the instant. It has degenerated, it is confused and is unconstructive in every sense I am aware of...

MuRaSaMuNe
08-09-2002, 05:05 AM
Its all part of human nature, humans make mistakes, thats why we suck, how can you not like someone with an avator that has the host of Iron Chef on it? :confused:

Matariel
08-09-2002, 08:18 AM
hey ive got a suggestion! anyone who actually models, or people who are actually interested in modelling in this forum, should be the only ones who post in this forum!

petty arguements and general 'chit-chat' should be in Yoda's Swamp...this is what all this is about. Kman closed threads that SHOULDNT have been here, and you're pissed off about it!?!

Grow up all of you, and please make models, comment on models or get the **** out

Play nice children

Lord Ignasius
08-09-2002, 10:09 AM
If you would have read the whole post you would see it is not only about closing threads, but also pushing away newbies, and the selfish rude remarks he leaves at the end of every thread he closes, like he enjoyes closing your thread. And finally it is also favoritism, so nimrod please read the entire thing. This also was not intended to be humiliating but to constructive for Kman to learn how to fix it, but if it is humiliating I will delete it myself, just tell me!

Aristotle
08-09-2002, 11:22 AM
This topic is now closed. If you have a concern about a moderator, please leave your concerns and/or comments in the feedback forum and we will try to address your concerns directly with the moderator you have issues with.