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blacklabfx
08-11-2002, 08:08 AM
Think about this for a minute.. what if Master Sifo Dyas is a long name... or for some reason the Kamodians got the name wrong or something...

Look at the spelling

Sifo Dyas

now take out the FO

Si Dyas

Look again:

SiDyas = Sidious = Palpatine

For whatever reason... seems as if Palpy himself was Master Sifo Dyas.

Either way.. it's a name that was mentioned before.. otherwise Windu wouldn't have acted surprised to hear the name...

Just a theory. Any thoughts?

ET Warrior
08-11-2002, 01:00 PM
They'd all heard Sifo Dyas before because he used to be a jedi master on the jedi council.

I doubt that if Darth Sideous ordered the clones he would have told them his name was sidious, he would have used a false name..like sifo dyas, i personally think dooku did it, but it could have been sidious

Weapon X
08-11-2002, 01:18 PM
palpatine is NOT sifo dyas, dyas was a member of the jedi council and they would recognize him

ET Warrior
08-11-2002, 01:42 PM
Absolutely, Sifo-Dyas is not really sidious, no doubt about that. Now if it was Palpatine or Dooku who Pretended to be Sifo-Dyas, that is up for debate.

MotionMan
08-11-2002, 03:32 PM
As I stated before: My theory is that it was Dooku posing as sifo-dyas who ordered the clones to be made under orders from Darth Sidious.

JediNyt
08-12-2002, 03:38 AM
Right because Jango said "I was recruited by a man called Tyranus." So Dooku ordered the clones and posed as Dyas for the Kaminoans. I think thats the best explanation.

duder
08-12-2002, 05:06 AM
Weren't the clones ordered well before Dooku left the Jedi order and joined the dark side(I'm sure he left when he learnt of Qui Gonns death, whilst the clones had been ordered years before)?

ET Warrior
08-12-2002, 11:54 AM
The clones were ordered around 10 years before aotc....and QuiGon died around 10 years before aotc. So they happened around the same time

veryx
08-12-2002, 08:28 PM
C'mon guys... Darth Sidious and Palpatine?

Palpatine will become the Emperor in Episodes IV and so fourth.
I don't know if will see it happen in Ep.III, but Darth Sidious is definitely NOT Palpatine.:D

ET Warrior
08-12-2002, 08:52 PM
ugh....please tell me that you're kidding.....i cannot handle another person who doesn't reallize they are one in the same.

MotionMan
08-12-2002, 09:00 PM
Veryx: If you have a few days to spare you can read all the old posts. In many of them we discuss and present various facts that state that Palpatine and Sidious are one in the same.
My poor hands cannot stand to type any more about this ridiculous theory that they are 2 different people.

Jedi_Monk
08-13-2002, 01:19 AM
Here's a speculative timeline -
11-12 years before AotC: Syfo-Dias killed (murdered?). Syfo-Dias must have died more than 10 years before AotC because 10 years before AotC is TPM and we would have seen Syfo-Dias on the Jedi Council... but instead we have: Oppo Rancisis, Even Piell, Adi Gallia, Yaddle, Yarael Poof, Eeth Koth, Depa Billaba, Plo Koon, Ki-Adi Mundi, Saesee Tiin, Mace Windu and Master Yoda.

Also, it is still an open question as to whether Syfo-Dias was actually a member of the Jedi Council or not... Obi-Wan never says one way or the other, nor does Yoda and Mace. Obi-Wan asks them "They claim that a Master Syfo-Dias ordered the clones nearly ten years ago; did the Council ever authorize the creation of a clone army?"... there, Obi-Wan asks if Syfo-Dias was working with the Council's consent, and Yoda and Mace deny that he did.

10 years before AotC (TPM): Qui-Gon Jinn killed by Darth Maul. This is the event that forced Count Dooku over the edge. Already, he had been researching the Sith by means of a Sith Holocron in the Jedi Temple's library (AotC Script), already he was disillusioned with the Republic and corrupt politicians, and was disillusioned with the state of the Jedi Order.

Now, here the timeline becomes muddled. By all accounts, Qui-Gon's death was the catalyst that created Darth Tyrannus. However, Darth Sidious, respecting the Rule of Two, couldn't have already have been training Dooku as a Sith Apprentice--but might he have been preparing Dooku in the same way he is preparing Anakin ("You don't need guidance, Anakin... I can see you are already becoming the greatest of all Jedi, even greater than Master Yoda..."). Did Palpatine, knowing of Qui-Gon's death and foreseeing Dooku's emotional termoil, descend on Dooku and sedduce him to the Dark Side? The files in the Jedi records could have only been erased by a Jedi, so Dooku must have been under Palpatine's sway before he left the Order and been aware of Palpatine's plan to create a Clone Army for him to know to erase the Kamino system in particular.

What did Palpatine say to Dooku? "My friend, all of your suspicions about the corruption of the Republic are true... I am a Sith Lord and now I am in control... but I hate the Republic as much as you do and I have a plan to destroy it. You can help me and take revenge on the Republic and the Jedi Order for sending your Padawan to his death..." And so, Dooku is brought in on the plan and goes to Kamino to contract the Cloners and seeking out the renowned bounty hunter, Jango Fett.

Things seem to move very fast for Dooku once he becomes involved with the Sith. He is disgusted by the Republic, turns to the Sith, finds Jango and orders the clones all in the span of a single year.

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Master Bodle
08-13-2002, 12:38 PM
I think the most popular theory is that it was Dooku that ordered the creation of the Clone Army and that Syfo Dyas was a member of the council and that Dooku posed as him. And Sidious and Palpatine are most certainly one and the same. Veryx wot are u on my little 4 yr old brother worked that one out and he doesn't really know anything bout Star Wars!!

Uber Sith
08-24-2002, 06:28 AM
I think theres gotta be a connection but i think i can also explain the reason why Mace and Yoda felt it was so familiar..

I think Obi-Wan dosent really know who he is but was told he died about the same time as Episode 1....

I think its Darth Sidious's like codename to be used in the republic... Mace and Yoda know the name by the connection to sideous but keep it from everyone else to not stur up anything

Pad
08-24-2002, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by MotionMan
As I stated before: My theory is that it was Dooku posing as sifo-dyas who ordered the clones to be made under orders from Darth Sidious.

my thoughts also, and i think it was also dooku who erased the archives.

Lord_MalaKdoggk
08-31-2006, 11:27 AM
palpatine is NOT sifo dyas, dyas was a member of the jedi council and they would recognize him

right, It isn't palpy, Qui-gon, or dookoo. Yoda and Mace would recognize him instantly. I also don't think is was Maul as Qui-gon would've recognized him.

So that leaves the 'mysterious' dead jedi who knew of Sidiuos' plans and erased the archives to protect the clones that would eventually be needed..


Hmmmm.

Yea baby...dead horse alert !!!

Prime
08-31-2006, 11:38 AM
Jeez, did you need to bump a thread from 2002? It has been explained in several sources who he was...

Lord_MalaKdoggk
08-31-2006, 12:49 PM
sorry, posted before reading the date.

Coza1000000
05-30-2007, 02:20 AM
Think about this for a minute.. what if Master Sifo Dyas is a long name... or for some reason the Kamodians got the name wrong or something...

Look at the spelling

Sifo Dyas

now take out the FO

Si Dyas

Look again:

SiDyas = Sidious = Palpatine

For whatever reason... seems as if Palpy himself was Master Sifo Dyas.

Either way.. it's a name that was mentioned before.. otherwise Windu wouldn't have acted surprised to hear the name...

Just a theory. Any thoughts?




But isn't Sifo Dyas a kaminoian? And Palpatine isn't a Kamionian!

revan_221
05-30-2007, 07:24 AM
in the bount hunter videogame which is i think 10 years before aotc dooku is palptines apperantice and they already have a plan for making a clone army but they need a host wich is jango

Pho3nix
05-30-2007, 07:30 AM
Wookieepedia to the rescue!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sifo-Dyas

Thread over.

JoeDoe 2.0
05-30-2007, 09:40 AM
I read that comics that Sifo was featured on, (he kinda looks like Revan), never remembered until now, thanks Pho3nix

Obss Damell
08-15-2007, 09:35 AM
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sifo-Dyas

go read it . it explains all. (wow. onw of grievous sabers is his! :o)

Scooter16
08-18-2007, 11:19 PM
nahh, Sidious wasnt even known to exist, and a Jedi master that kenobi and windu knew about had already died. good thought tho.

DarthSeverus
09-13-2007, 04:03 PM
Read Labyrinth of Evil, the prequel novel to ROTS, in there Dooku remembers murdering Sifo-Dyas after he ordered the clone army, who was his close friend, as his last act of embracing the dark side and joining the Sith. Yoda mentions this likelyhood to Obi-Wan as well. Since this novel was overseen by Lucas it's likely we can take it as fairly stated that Sifo-Dyas was a Jedi Master who ordered the clone army.

PoiuyWired
09-14-2007, 01:48 PM
Sifo-Dyas is somewhat dead after being touched by his old pal Dooku. His body is placed in a fridge on Terra wherea group of tech prieses keeps it by providing a steady stream of souls.. (ok ignote Terra, techpriests, souls)

Eventually he gives his blood to some cyborg and donates his saber away.

Darth Xander
09-14-2007, 03:38 PM
I did it muhahahahahahahahahahaha