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Admiral Vostok
08-12-2002, 11:19 PM
Alright here is the evidence I've amassed:

FACT 1: Obi-Wan knows who Sifo-Dyas is and therefore presumably what he looks like. Mace and Yoda also know who he is, and considering he was once a memeber of the High Council the undoubtedly also know what he looks like.

Therefore Sifo-Dyas CANNOT be Sidious/Palpatine. If he was, don't you think the Jedi would say "Hey, didn't the Supreme Chancellor used to be a Jedi? I wonder why he changed his name and profession?"
Similarly, Sifo-Dyas CANNOT be Count Dooku. They know what both men look like and don't seem to get them confused. "But," I hear you say, "what about if Count Dooku was once known as Sifo-Dyas but since leaving the order has become known as Count Dooku?" This brings us to fact 2...

FACT 2: Obi-Wan (at least) believes Sifo-Dyas died over ten years ago.

If Sifo-Dyas is believed dead, he CANNOT be Count Dooku, who is very much known to be alive. You might also at this point bring up Jango Fett's line "I was recruited by a man named Tyranus." Just because Jango was hired by Darth Tyranus doesn't mean it was also he who approached the Kaminoans. It could have been (and most likely was for the Kaminoans to take the request seriously) more than just one man.

FACT 3: Although this "fact" is debatable, I strongly believe Sifo-Dyas will not be a new character whom we have not yet seen. That would render this whole debate worthless and it was obviously meant to be heavily debated by fans.

Therefore, my prime suspect is DARTH MAUL. Here is other evidence to support my theory:

- I've always wondered why they claimed Darth MAul's body-pattern was a tattoo and not his natural skin. Looking at the Jedi Shaak Ti in AOTC, it is evident that Aliens could have brilliant and complex patterns all over their body. Since Darth Maul is an Alien (as evidenced by his horns), why not just make the red and black his natural skin pattern?
It would make more sense if the tattoos were a way to hide his features. That way the Jedi would not recognise him as Sifo-Dyas.

- I believe Sifo-Dyas faked his death before TPM is set. This was because he had turned to the Dark Side under Darth Sidious. Faking his death allowed him to leave the order and not fall under suspition like Count Dooku. He then changed his name to the Sith name of Darth Maul, and was really killed by Qui-Gon Jinn.

So, now you've gotten to the end of my essay, what do you think?

MotionMan
08-12-2002, 11:43 PM
Count Dooku "POSED" as Sifo-dyas to order the clones. He was not Sifo-Dyas.

Ratmjedi
08-12-2002, 11:46 PM
This is very intresting but wrong. If you knew Darth Maul has been training as a Sith his entire life. The tattoos are not there to cover up his identity but he had them put on as a sign of his devotion to the Sith. Sifo Dyas was a real Jedi who spent his life as a Jedi and died a Jedi. Sifo Dyas was just a name that Sidiouse used. He just basically stole the Identity. That is why The Jedi council suspect nothing. The real Sifo Dyas died but Sidiouse just used the name to confuse the Jedi.





:duel: :lsduel:

Admiral Vostok
08-13-2002, 12:12 AM
Valid points.

Firstly, you must remember that what you think you know about Darth Maul's background has all been taken from EU, and can therefore not be used as evidence.

As for Sidious posing as Sifo-Dyas, surely the Kaminoans would be able to recognise him as Palpatine. If you disagree, just let me say that this answer seems to easy and not terribly exciting. To be honest, it would be a bit of a let-down to find this was the case.

Having said that, there is nothing really to discard it altogether, so it is a possibility.

MotionMan
08-13-2002, 12:33 AM
I think Dooku or maybe Sidious could have "posed" as Sifo-Dyas.
Also the Kaminoans dont know how sifo D looks like or rather any of the Jedi. Why would they. I doubt the Jedi have ever visited Kamino. Even if they had you cant expect the Kaminoans to recognize every Jedi there is.
When Obi-Wan visits Kamino, he easily poses as Sifo-Dyas's aprentice, without even trying. The Sifo-Dyas poser would have done so with ease as well. As Dexter said all the Kaminoans care about is money. If you have the cash then who cares what your name or title is.

sexcellent
08-13-2002, 01:40 AM
i can't take credit for this, but someone in this forum brought up the idea that sifo-dias could be qui gon.

Jedi_Monk
08-13-2002, 02:23 AM
I believe George Lucas himself said that Darth Maul was an example of a person who had trained to become a Sith Lord all his life, therefore he couldn't have been a Jedi.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Norin Radd
08-13-2002, 03:18 AM
Darth Maul was NEVER a Jedi Knight. He was trained as a Sith from the time he was a child. You do not have to be a fallen Jedi to be a Sith Lord, it just so happens that most Dark Lords of the Sith were Jedi who defected from the order.

Maul, who was strong in the force was discovered by Sidious first. If he had been discovered by a Jedi, he might have served the side of Light, but this was not the case. Never did Maul serve the Light side of the Force.

Sifo Dyas was killed(perhaps murdered) and then Dooku assumed his identity as a persona to order the clone army on Sidious' orders. Using a dead Jedi as an identity makes you virtually untraceable. As far as the Kaminoans recognizing Palpatine, Palpatine did not order the clones himself. Dooku his servile apprentice did this. Palpatine, being in the highly visible position that he is, would not risk travelling to Kamino himself.

STTCT
08-13-2002, 06:17 AM
not to rain on anyone's parade....but why does it matter so much?? Who cares who ordered the clones...it isn't going to make a difference in the next movie!

Pad
08-13-2002, 10:11 AM
its possible dooku posted the order as sifo dyas

but here comes another question:
who erased kamino from the jedi database? (dooku?)

Kryllith
08-13-2002, 10:36 AM
Dooku would be the likely choice, since he could have done it shortly before leaving the order.

As for whether Qui-gon order the clones or not, I think Obiwan would have been able to confirm this...

Kryllith

ET Warrior
08-13-2002, 02:57 PM
Dooku most likely erased kamino, as Yoda said that only a Jedi could have erased those files.

Woah, are you serious Admiral Vos? I would have sworn you were joking...Darth Maul?
Darth Maul was a weapon forged by the hateful energies of the dark side to ensure the victory of the Sith over the Jedi order. A creature of pure evil, Maul had no personality beyond his ultimate devotion to his master, Darth Sidious. His goal was singular -- to exact vengeance upon the Jedi for the decimation of the Sith ranks.

That's his biography from starwars.com Not from the EU part, so.....it basically says that Darth Maul was never nice.

sexcellent
08-14-2002, 03:28 AM
does anyone know how long ago dooku left the jedi order? i always thought it was when he was younger, so i didnt think he had plans to erase kamino back then.

MotionMan
08-14-2002, 03:58 AM
Dooku left the order 10 years before the time of ep.2.

Ratmjedi
08-14-2002, 04:12 AM
Does anybody know anything about the Lost Twenty other than they left the Jedi Order because of the the way they felt twords the Republic and how corrupt it was? And that Dooku was one of them.
:duel: :lsduel:

MotionMan
08-14-2002, 10:54 AM
There is a deleated scene were the Jedi temple librarian talks to Obi-Wan about the lost 20. Lets hope that scene makes it to the DVD.

Sivy
08-14-2002, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by MotionMan
There is a deleated scene were the Jedi temple librarian talks to Obi-Wan about the lost 20. Lets hope that scene makes it to the DVD.

Yes it will.

It was mentioned by Ben Burtt at Gen Con as one of the scenes to be added to the DVD

Breton
08-14-2002, 01:15 PM
Firstly, this is not a question of who ordered the clones, it is a question of who Sifo-Dyas is.

It is not all unlikely that Sifo-Dyas were a Jedi that turned to the dark side and became a sith lord. He faked his own death and changed his name into Darth Sidious

MotionMan
08-14-2002, 01:22 PM
If he faked his own death and now he is Sidious then the Jedi would recognize that palpatine is Sifo-dyas in a flash.

ET Warrior
08-14-2002, 01:35 PM
Precisely! You listen to motionman now....he knows what he's talkin about!

AgentSmith
08-14-2002, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by MotionMan
If he faked his own death and now he is Sidious then the Jedi would recognize that palpatine is Sifo-dyas in a flash.

Not really.
See the original scene in Palpatine's office was more like this.

*Yoda looking back with a suspicious glance at Chancellor Palpatine.*
Yoda: 'Mhhh .... something familiar I sense ...'
Palpatine: *Sweating* 'Master Yoda is it not time for your medication?'
Yoda: 'Ah yes ... pills for health I must take.' *Yoda gobs down a few pills.*
Palpatine thinking to self "Hehehe, I knew having my personal physician put the Jedi on memory erasing drugs claiming it was Prozac was a good idea. I think I'll have the dose upped just in case."

:p But that's just stupid and silly.

MotionMan
08-14-2002, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith


Not really.
See the original scene in Palpatine's office was more like this.

*Yoda looking back with a suspicious glance at Chancellor Palpatine.*
Yoda: 'Mhhh .... something familiar I sense ...'
Palpatine: *Sweating* 'Master Yoda is it not time for your medication?'
Yoda: 'Ah yes ... pills for health I must take.' *Yoda gobs down a few pills.*
Palpatine thinking to self "Hehehe, I knew having my personal physician put the Jedi on memory erasing drugs claiming it was Prozac was a good idea. I think I'll have the dose upped just in case."

:p But that's just stupid and silly.

LOL, but not as silly as thinking Palpatine and Sidious are 2 different people:)

Ratmjedi
08-14-2002, 02:10 PM
I think that would be hard for Palpatine to be a Jedi and then be a Representitve for Naboo. Sidiouse was around before the Lost Twenty so that means it couldn't be him. A person with such a celebrity status such as Palpatine wouldn't of been able to try to be sneaky. He would get caught so easily.




:lsduel: :duel:

Jedi_Monk
08-14-2002, 02:35 PM
Add to that the fact that Naboo tend to find their representatives at a very young age... Palpatine was probably taught at the "youth legislative program", same as Amidala, and the people favored him enough that he could continue on in Naboo and galactic politics for the rest of his life. The Naboo believe that they should train their rulers from a young age, instilling in them ideals contrary to normal politics; it'd probably be very hard for an adult to just pop up and be elected a representative of Naboo. Of course, Palpatine would, more likely than not, also have been a Sith Apprentice by this time. Irony... Lucas loves the stuff ;)

Also, I'm not sure if I believe it or not, but the idea came to me the other day that maybe Palpatine convinced Anakin to erase Kamino. Yes, "only a Jedi could have erased those files," but Jedi is a term that can be applied, really, to anyone training in the Jedi Temple. A dangerous and disturbing pizzle, this is :yoda:

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

ET Warrior
08-14-2002, 02:47 PM
You know, that thought never occured to me, but it IS possible that anakin deleted the kamino file.....hmm

I kind of like that theory.......hmmmmm

Sivy
08-14-2002, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
You know, that thought never occured to me, but it IS possible that anakin deleted the kamino file.....hmm

I kind of like that theory.......hmmmmm

I think he would of tried to stop Obi-Wan from going there if he had

Darth Damage
08-16-2002, 03:17 AM
ADMIRAL VISTOK ->:monkey4: (IDIOT)

Aaron2k2
08-16-2002, 07:23 AM
Well i know one thing it was not Count Dooku who posed as Sifo-dyas because if he did pose as him then why was he so surprised about how the republic massed such a big army so fast :)

Master Bodle
08-16-2002, 10:08 AM
Dooku had to look surprised bout the army that was the point. Sidious and Dooku want the war to happen. Dooku makes out he's working for the Separitists but is following the orders of his master.

Pad
08-16-2002, 01:18 PM
idd, thats just the plan of them. let the separatists make a droid army for dooku and give the republic a klone army to palpatine. that way u can have control over both.

Jedi_Monk
08-16-2002, 01:41 PM
Not only so that they can both have control of the armies, but pit the armies against one another, thereby instigating a war and giving Palpatine an escuse to declare martial law, which will grant him the power to become dictator and ultimately Emperor. When their government is under a perceived threat, people must rally behind who they think to be a strong and able leader, no matter his edicts--and if they don't, they can be tried as traitors, so they keep their mouth shut one way or the other. By the time people work up the courage to speak out, it will be too late; the Jedi will be gone, the Stormtroopers will be everywhere and Palpatine's rule will not only be unquestioned, but unquestionable.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Legacy_Of_Sith
08-16-2002, 01:57 PM
Well put Jedi monk!

ET Warrior
08-16-2002, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by SivyB


I think he would of tried to stop Obi-Wan from going there if he had

Anakin had no idea that obiwan was on Kamino. He was busy protecting Amidala, and going to save his mum.

And Jedi Monk is quite right.

Ratmjedi
08-16-2002, 06:58 PM
Only three people knew he was on Kamino. Yoda, Mace, and the Jedi bookeeper. Oh and the Bear clan to. But I do think it was Dooku. It would of been easy for him to do that. For all we know he might of been a Sith for a while when he was still with the Jedi before he left the Order. You know, wreak havoc from within.
:duel: :lsduel:

Ratmjedi
08-16-2002, 07:03 PM
Oh and Anakin would of been with Obi-Wan most of the time so were would he get the time to do that, and why would he do it if he was still good at this point of the trilogy? He hasn't done anything that bad other than slaughter the Tuskin Raiders, but that was out of rage and anger from his Shmi's death.
:lsduel: :duel:

Sivy
08-16-2002, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior


Anakin had no idea that obiwan was on Kamino. He was busy protecting Amidala, and going to save his mum.

And Jedi Monk is quite right.

I forgot Obi-Wan went to see Dex after Anakin left.
But still I don't think Anakin knew about Kamino, because he would have known about Jango. Jango was trying to kill Padme.

Ratmjedi
08-16-2002, 07:32 PM
Thats a good point. If Anakin was knew about Kamino then he would know about Jango, so why would he tolerate a person like Jango if he knew that he was trying to assinate Padme. He loved Padme so there is no way he would of let Jango assisanate Padme or even try to.
:duel: :lsduel:

Breton
08-16-2002, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by MotionMan
If he faked his own death and now he is Sidious then the Jedi would recognize that palpatine is Sifo-dyas in a flash.

Well, WHO SAID THAT SID AN PALP ARE THE SAME!!!!

You assume too much!

Legacy_Of_Sith
08-16-2002, 10:06 PM
It's not that we are assuming, it's that we have the inteligence to put 2 and 2 together. ;)

MotionMan
08-16-2002, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn


Well, WHO SAID THAT SID AN PALP ARE THE SAME!!!!

You assume too much!
Mr. George Lucas has said so:cool:

I suppose you think that clark kent and superman are different people. :rolleyes:

I mean they DO dress different. right? so that must mean they are different.

Ratmjedi
08-16-2002, 11:49 PM
I don't know why people keep thinking that Palpatine and Sidiouse are diffrent people. There is so much evidence telling us that he is. Like in THP at Qui-Gon's ceramony we see Mace and Yoda talking about the Sith and then we see the camera on Palpatine. I mean the face looks the same. It's not coincidence that GL did that. And why would Palpatine say we will watch youre career very closely young Anakin. He's a Sith for God sakes. Do you want george to put a carboard sign around his neck saying that he's Sidiouse? YOU HAVE TO READ IN BETWEEN THE LINES!!!!!!!!!!
:duel: :lsduel:

Ratmjedi
08-16-2002, 11:55 PM
Oh yah! One last thing don't the people that keep saying that Palpatine and Sidiouse are diffrent people remind of the guys from the A&W Root Beer comercials that are Thick Headed
:cheers: :mex1:
:duel: :lsduel:

Taos
08-17-2002, 12:52 AM
I'm going to just say that I think that Palpy and Sideous are the same person now, because I don't want to be rideculed..:)

J/k I do think they are the same....

Who Sypho-Dias is....I have no clue. Most likely Dooku, I hope there will be an explaination to all of this in Ep III.

BlackDove
08-17-2002, 02:34 AM
Yo Einstiens...try reading the script before the damn post production...

The name was Sido-Dyas, but they changed it to Sifa because they can screw with peoples heads like that, and make them write topics like this. Sido-Dyas=Sidious See the resemblance? If you don't the damn guy who was writing the script tells you so...

Taos
08-17-2002, 02:43 AM
Well hey, why didn't you explain all of this to us in the first place??? Then we wouldn't be this far in our discussion. You could have settled it right off the bat ;)

ET Warrior
08-17-2002, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by SivyB


I forgot Obi-Wan went to see Dex after Anakin left.
But still I don't think Anakin knew about Kamino, because he would have known about Jango. Jango was trying to kill Padme.
Anakin knowing about Kamino doesn't mean he knows about Jango Fett.....That's like saying If the Jedi knew about Tattooine, they knew about Anakin and Shmi Skywalker before they ever went there. Just knowing about a place doesn't mean you have any idea who or what is there.
Possible conversation between Palpatine and anakin.

Palpatine: "I have ordered the construction of a clone army, to aid the Jedi in their struggle to maintain peace and order...however i dont want anyone else to accidently come across it, because it could be used for the wrong purpose, or it might convince the senate not to allow their usage."

Anakin: "Is there any way that i could help?"

Palpatine: "I know this is a lot to ask, and if you don't want to, you don't have to do it, because you could face serious punishment, but if you could erase the planet Kamino from the Jedi Archives, it would, in the long run, help the Jedi"

Anakin: "I think i can do that"

Probably didn't happen......but it COULD have.

Taos
08-17-2002, 01:14 PM
HHHmmmm.......very interesting. You know, you could almost see something like that happening. Anakin looked up to Palpy because he was never critical to Anakin like Obi-wan was and so he wanted to please Palpatine. (obviously there's more to it than that)

Anything can happen, that's why I'm not totally convinced that Dooku was Dias. It's too convenient, GL likes to mess with our heads a little.....

Dragonlancer
08-20-2002, 12:02 AM
I have a thought. I' pretty sure no one ever thought of this before.

I think that sifo dias (spelling?) was a real jedi. I think he had a jedi vision of the future. He saw what the trade federation was planning and he also realized that the jedi's ability to use the force was dissipating. He ordered the clone army because he knew that the jedi wouldn't be enough to defeat them. He didn't realize the sidious/palpatine was behind it due to the sith's ability to block the jedi's force capabilities.

just an idea. critique is welcome.

Taos
08-20-2002, 12:14 AM
You know, it could also be just that simple........

Valid point Dragonlancer:)

Ratmjedi
08-20-2002, 12:32 AM
It sounds good but what about Jango? Why would Dooku know about him? He worked for Dooku so that means that Dooku and Sidiouse were the ones that ordered the clones. I am still going to stick to the idea that Sifo Dyas was a Jedi that died around the time that the clones were ordered. That is why his name was used to confuse the Jedi when they found out about the clones. It was just an alias that was used by the Sith. That's what I believe because it is the most likely. But I do like all these ideas.
:lsduel: :duel:

Taos
08-20-2002, 02:51 AM
Yes, exactly RatmJedi....I like all of these ideas as well. Some of the ppl on these boards are pretty creative with their thinking and others well.......:rolleyes:

I always like to hear different stories and different points of view to see which one is best. That's part of why I joined these message boards in the first place...... I like to hear about peoples ideas, it's fun to see and hear about what ppl come up with.:)

Ratmjedi
08-20-2002, 03:24 AM
Yah I was afraid when I first joined but now I'm not afraid of them. There just a bunch of guys like me. With some girls too!
:duel: :lsduel:

Kryllith
08-20-2002, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Dragonlancer
I have a thought. I' pretty sure no one ever thought of this before.

I think that sifo dias (spelling?) was a real jedi. I think he had a jedi vision of the future. He saw what the trade federation was planning and he also realized that the jedi's ability to use the force was dissipating. He ordered the clone army because he knew that the jedi wouldn't be enough to defeat them. He didn't realize the sidious/palpatine was behind it due to the sith's ability to block the jedi's force capabilities.

just an idea. critique is welcome.
Possible, perhaps, but from the movie I get the impression that Obi-wan had a problem with the idea of Sifo-Dyas ordering the army because he thought S.D.'s death occured before the order to create the army was made...

Kryllith

Dracofyre
08-21-2002, 02:19 PM
All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin.
#1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1
#2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi.

Kryllith
08-21-2002, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Dracofyre
All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin.
#1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1
#2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi.
You suggesting he IS Sifo-Dyas or he posed as Sifo-Dyas?

Kryllith

Pad
08-21-2002, 04:08 PM
i think dooku erased the archived, left the council and posted the clone prder by the name of dias. he then tricked the trade federation for makin the giant droid army.

but 1 question comes to mind: why didnt we see him in ep1?
i mean, we saw sidious but no dooku. or was that just because it only was a hologram of sidious? so it could be dooku was there, but we didnt saw him.

what do u guys think about it?

AgentSmith
08-21-2002, 04:48 PM
Actually I heard the rumor that ILM was working on a new version of the TPM DVD where Dooku would be digitally added to the 'Qui-Gon funeral' scene where he walks of angry at the Jedi and says something the likes of 'This is the last straw.'

(Off course this would conflict some with what he tells Obi-Wan. Since during the interogation scene in AOTC it seems as he and Obi-Wan had never met before.)

Dragonlancer
08-21-2002, 10:46 PM
Everyone who replied to my idea: here's a few answeres.

We all know that sidious turns anakin to the dark side. I think he went behind anakins back and tried to have padme assassinated by jango fett. Who, in turn, hired zam wessel (spelling). hence, driving him mad and turning him to the dark side. He hates the jedi, because sidious tells him that it was all the jedis doing. Dooku knows about fett because sidious and dooku work together.

Kryllith: that's interesting but what about this. he had the vision and ordered the army BEFORE he died. lol. no offense though

Legacy_Of_Sith
08-22-2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Dracofyre
All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin.
#1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1
#2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi.


Nope....that just isn't how it ges my friend.

Legacy_Of_Sith
08-22-2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Dracofyre
All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin.
#1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1
#2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi.


Nope....that just isn't how it goes my friend.

ET Warrior
08-22-2002, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by Dragonlancer
Everyone who replied to my idea: here's a few answeres.

We all know that sidious turns anakin to the dark side. I think he went behind anakins back and tried to have padme assassinated by jango fett. Who, in turn, hired zam wessel (spelling). hence, driving him mad and turning him to the dark side. He hates the jedi, because sidious tells him that it was all the jedis doing. Dooku knows about fett because sidious and dooku work together.

Kryllith: that's interesting but what about this. he had the vision and ordered the army BEFORE he died. lol. no offense though

Ummm, i'm pretty sure that it was either Dooku as per the wishes of nute gunray, or nute gunray himself. First of all, we know that Jango is working with Dooku and the separatists, because he was with them on Kamino. We also know that Gunray is trying to get amidala dead, because he tells Dooku on Geonosis that he won't sign anything until her head is on his desk. And then after Obi, Anakin, and amidala look like they're going to escape Nute says "This isn't how it's supposed to be, Jango, Shoot her, or, something."

Also, it makes more sense for Dooku to want her dead because she leads the opposition of creating an army of the republic, and we know that Dooku wants the republic to get an army, because Sideous wants him to start a big war.

Kryllith
08-22-2002, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Dragonlancer
Kryllith: that's interesting but what about this. he had the vision and ordered the army BEFORE he died. lol. no offense though
But that's exactly my point. From what Obiwan appears to have picked up from both what he knows of the time of Sifo-Dyas's death and the time of the placement of the order, the order was placed AFTER Sifo-Dyas died. At least, that's one of the things he focuses on when talking to Yoda and Windu...

Kryllith

Dragonlancer
08-22-2002, 01:20 PM
Yo kryllith, I think you might be right. I think my idea still makes sense but you might be right.

ET Warrior: yeah that's true, but you'll notice that jango doesn't move when nute tells him to shoot her. He does what dooku says and doesn't shoot her. I think dooku and sidious work together, therefore jango works for both of them. But then it could just as well have been dooku. I mean, sidious could have said "eh yo wattup Tyrrannus, see if you can have dat padme assassinated" lol :D Like I said though, it's all just an idea I had. It could just as well be wrong as any of the ideas *whispers*"but it's not" :D

ET Warrior
08-23-2002, 01:32 AM
True, but it's fairly obvious that Jango is working for Dooku, and it makes a lot of sense for Dooku to have hired jango to kill padme because nute gunray wouldn't add the trade federations forces to the seperatists unless she was dead.

Breton
08-23-2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Ratmjedi
I don't know why people keep thinking that Palpatine and Sidiouse are diffrent people. There is so much evidence telling us that he is. Like in THP at Qui-Gon's ceramony we see Mace and Yoda talking about the Sith and then we see the camera on Palpatine. I mean the face looks the same. It's not coincidence that GL did that. And why would Palpatine say we will watch youre career very closely young Anakin. He's a Sith for God sakes. Do you want george to put a carboard sign around his neck saying that he's Sidiouse? YOU HAVE TO READ IN BETWEEN THE LINES!!!!!!!!!!
:duel: :lsduel:

On starwars.com it says that palpy is 173 cm and Sid 178 cm. Since the same guy cant be different heights IT SAYS ON STARWANS.COM THAT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!!! HAH!!!!!

Dragonlancer
08-23-2002, 07:19 PM
I got to hand it to you qui-gon, you got me. I still think they're the same but that's pretty interesting.

finally someone who does their research before blabbing about stuff they don't know anything about.

(btw, I didn't present my idea as fact, unlike some people. so don't throw that in my face after this post.)

ET Warrior
08-23-2002, 08:58 PM
As Jedi Monk said, George Lucas himself said that sidious and palpatine are the same person. He said it! Watch the episode 1 documentaries, i'm not sure which one it is, but he sais that palpatine was first introduced in the OT via hologram so he wanted to do the same for him in the PT.

Several possibilties for the height difference on starwars.com
1.) Simple typo that nobody has pointed out to the staff
2.) Intentional typo to throw off people who weren't smart enough to figure it out themselves
3.) they are figuring the hood of his cloak into the measurements, which could make a difference of 5 centimeters

Dragonlancer
08-23-2002, 09:55 PM
Yeah the third one was the first thing that occured to me.

Ratmjedi
08-23-2002, 11:18 PM
What about like somebody said in another post. He might of been wearing boots that make him bigger. Or he might of grown because people are always growing. He might of had a growth spur.
:duel: :lsduel:

Dragonlancer
08-24-2002, 01:02 AM
oh yeah, that's real likely for a bazillion year old human man to have a growth spurt.

MysticSpade
08-24-2002, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Admiral Vostok

FACT 3: Although this "fact" is debatable, I strongly believe Sifo-Dyas will not be a new character whom we have not yet seen. That would render this whole debate worthless and it was obviously meant to be heavily debated by fans.

Therefore, my prime suspect is DARTH MAUL. Here is other evidence to support my theory:

- I've always wondered why they claimed Darth MAul's body-pattern was a tattoo and not his natural skin. Looking at the Jedi Shaak Ti in AOTC, it is evident that Aliens could have brilliant and complex patterns all over their body. Since Darth Maul is an Alien (as evidenced by his horns), why not just make the red and black his natural skin pattern?
It would make more sense if the tattoos were a way to hide his features. That way the Jedi would not recognise him as Sifo-Dyas.

- I believe Sifo-Dyas faked his death before TPM is set. This was because he had turned to the Dark Side under Darth Sidious. Faking his death allowed him to leave the order and not fall under suspition like Count Dooku. He then changed his name to the Sith name of Darth Maul, and was really killed by Qui-Gon Jinn.

So, now you've gotten to the end of my essay, what do you think?



ok first off i u read the EU book about Darth Maul you'd know that he was a Sith since born you are not given the title "Darth" unless born in Sith ways or an exceptional turnover. The book is called "DARTH MAUL SHADOW HUNTER" if you REALLY believe that Darth Maul is this character I suggest you read the book. U r not the first person who thinks this. So far on my count you are about the 10th who believes this. AND Zabraks are born with those types of makrings on their bodies i got that from the DATABANKS at www.starwars.com

MysticSpade
08-24-2002, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Dracofyre
All this talk of Count Dooku, Darth Maul, etc. What about someone a little less obvious, but makes disturbing sense. Qui-Gon Jin.
#1 Explains why he never faded away in Episode 1
#2 Isn't it convenient how he got knocked off in Ep1? Done so that Qui-Gon wouldn't be there in Ep2 to interfere, or provide information that would make life much easier for all the jedi.




you should've payed attention to the movie it says and i quote that he died 8 YEARS PRIOR to the events of Ep2 TPM took place 10 YEARS before the events of Ep2.
He didn't fade away cuz he didn't give himslef fully to the force. Obi in ANH focused then gave himself to the FORCE before vader struck him. Yoda fully gave himslef to the FORCE when he layed to die. Qui-Gon was a bit busy when he died don't u think.

Jedi_Monk
08-25-2002, 01:50 AM
Actually, it's in the audio commentary on the SW1DVD. Lucas says, paraphrasing, that he wanted to introduce Sidious in the same way he was introduced in the original trillogy (ESB), namely, as a hologram. It's not hard to find, if you have the SW1DVD. Just go to Options, switch on the audio commentary and fast forward to the first time the Niemoidians contact Sidious (while the Jedi are waiting for the Viceroy).

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Legacy_Of_Sith
08-25-2002, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
3.) they are figuring the hood of his cloak into the measurements, which could make a difference of 5 centimeters

Lol, Sidious digs platform shoes!

Ratmjedi
08-25-2002, 03:27 AM
I know this is Eu but what if Palpatine gets cloaned and the clone is taller? It can happen.
:lsduel: :duel:

ET Warrior
08-25-2002, 01:16 PM
:wstupid:

Ratmjedi
08-25-2002, 02:09 PM
:wstupid: :tsk:
I guess someone is not going on our road trip to Disneyland. :p
:duel: :lsduel:

AgentSmith
08-26-2002, 05:30 AM
Perhaps it is time to inform this thread of the truth ... behind Sifo-Dyas and behind Sidious.

Straight from Skywalker ranch ... I have been asked to reveal the truth in the Episode III build-up.

*Agent Smith takes off his unglasses. He starts to pull at the skin of his face and it tears loose, it's a mask!*
Agent Smith: 'I am Sifo-Dyas!'

:lol: :p

(I'm just being silly people. In reminescence of the 'Silence of the Hams' end sequence. :p )