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MrManager
08-17-2002, 07:29 PM
Yep, as TSB forum regulars (all three of you!) have noticed, we've moved over to LucasForums. We'll have a more Monkey-ish layout sometime in the future. Why did we decide to move? Basically we hope to up the traffic a bit this way, plus it kinda makes sense to make everything more centralized. Other Monkey Island sites might choose to use this as a forum, which will make us all one big happy family.

So, have fun posting!

Blaze_Marley-Flamestrike
08-17-2002, 07:59 PM
O.O ahhh!!! LucasForums! Long load times! NOOOO!!

Hem... Don't expect me around much, the long load times scare me... I pray for the day I get a cable modem... *sigh*

raVen_image
08-17-2002, 08:19 PM
Broadband service won't help you when the server collapses under the weight of its connections.

Still, LucasForums is only experiences downtime once or twice per day. :explode:

MrManager
08-17-2002, 08:49 PM
When LucasForums goes down, every other Mojo site goes down too - they're all on the same server. Rumour has it that'll change though.

ptdc
08-18-2002, 06:22 AM
I thought it already had changed, or at least it was supposed to the other day. Poor old dozer 2 (Or 3 or whatever it's up to).

Darnn
08-18-2002, 12:46 PM
So, when are you going to install that thing, the one that blocks out the posts that are both irrelevant AND uninteresting?

Junior™
08-19-2002, 07:40 AM
I want the old forum back!

:(

This one looks so unfamiliar plus I had to choose a new username.

(Wait a minute, didn't I say this already in another post?)

Hellbeard
08-19-2002, 08:10 AM
What happens if you registered seperatly on TSB? Will you have 2 accounts here?

Gabez
08-20-2002, 05:50 AM
Hurray! I especially like the new design.

Hellbeard
08-20-2002, 10:04 AM
*hourray

bgbennyboy
08-20-2002, 11:04 AM
Welcome to Lucasforums ScummBar'ians
You may dislike it now but it'll soon grow on you and trust me in the long run it really will be better than the old posting board.

As for the slow loading times, ive never understood what people complain about, the old posting board took just as long to load threads as here for me.

Theres also the added advantage that lucasforums is a huge community. If you want help with an mi/other lec game look in the mojo help forum. If you are interested in how to extract sounds/graphics/costumes etc from mi/lec games look in the scumm hacking forum.

Have fun, explore and soon your forums addiction could be as bad as mine (God help you all).

Oh, one more thing if your going to post a question in the help/scumm hacking section click on show threads from the beginning since your question may have already been answered :)

Courthold
08-22-2002, 08:17 PM
The Monkey Island Purple Bar.... hmm.

scabb
08-23-2002, 09:20 AM
Lucasforums was a great idea. One account beats the hell out of 10.

raVen_image
08-23-2002, 11:54 AM
That's about the ONLY advantage.

I said in November (when I first heard about this conglomeration of message boards) that it was an idea that will chew off more than it can bite. So far, it's been exactly that.

As RemiO points out, when LucasForums goes down, all the mojo hosted sites go down with it. His assurance that this will change (via "rumor") does not quiet my soul. I have heard this assurance no less than four times in the last year, and so far it has been only meaningless words. The assurances have been false, thus "rumors" are doubly so. The multiple server moves has not alleviated the problem inherent with user overloads.

When all the forums were on separate servers and one went down, at least the other ones were active. As it stands, all message boards collapse at the same time, and the users are out of luck. I would prefer multiple login IDs to the current situation.

bgbennyboy
08-23-2002, 02:16 PM
Lucasforums is a hell of a lot better than it was.
On the occasions when it does go down it doesnt tend to be down for particulary long.

Perhaps im just in a bad mood today but the tone of your post seems to smack of arrogance.
Lucasforums is free remember? You arent obligated to use it, the admins dont go out of their way to make it difficult to use. To paraphrase whats been said about a few things lately - using it is a privilege not a right. I am sick and tired of hearing people say 'Lucasforums sucks', you dont like it - dont use it! You want something changed make constructive criticism rather than moaning.

Remi's 'assurances'?
Remi can say or do what the hell he likes with the scumm bar forums he doesnt have to give assurances to anyone much less clarify them. If he wants to make 'meaningless words' he damm well can - who the hell are you to criticise him?

If you dont like it - sod off, dont go posting unconstructive criticism and making veiled references to RemiO being a liar.

MrManager
08-23-2002, 02:22 PM
Well... I do think he was talking more about LFNetwork than me.

But anyway, I'm also getting tired of people complaining about what is really just a free service, maintained by volunteers. I mean really, if you don't like it, then go do something else, y'know?

Courthold
08-23-2002, 02:25 PM
I said in November (when I first heard about this conglomeration of message boards) that it was an idea that will chew off more than it can bite. So far, it's been exactly that.

If you hate the idea so much, a) why did you sign up for it, b) why do you have 480 odd posts, and c) cheese

Next point:

I have heard this assurance no less than four times in the last year, and so far it has been only meaningless words. The assurances have been false, thus "rumors" are doubly so. The multiple server moves has not alleviated the problem inherent with user overloads.

actually it has, so ner. Maybe if you used your PEEP HOLES you would relalise that and love LF as much as we all do. Yes.
if LF goes down, other sites don't, and LF hasn't gone down a whole lot since being on new server, and nor have other sites.


¬¬

(You have been shifty eyed)

That is all.

RaptorII
08-23-2002, 02:32 PM
Hmm, you know, if you really care that much about everyone else on the network, and how much a shame it is when it all goes down, I don't suppose you would mind, oh I don't know, donating money to the network. You do realize that it does cost quite a bit to run a site, of such magnitude, let alone a network of such sites.

So I suppose you really would have no complaints at donating a few tens now would you, Mr. Everything free I am entitled to by right of nature/universe/god/karma whatnot?

Personally I think it is a little nicer that it is free, and goes down now and then, rather than having flash animation ads pop up infront of everything, and having to wait in a line for a few hours to use the services. (Like post a message, or read the news updates, and whatnot.)

Gabez
08-23-2002, 02:32 PM
Well, I didn't know what to make of LucasForums when it first came. But, since then, it's grown on me... and now I love it.

I couldn't agree more with the previous posts, and the down time HAS become less frequent recently. It's never been easier to be part of the LucasArts fan community, and LucasForums has done a lot to make this a reality.

ptdc
08-23-2002, 04:54 PM
I don't notice when LFN is down, since my brain is also on the server.

raVen_image
08-23-2002, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by bgbennyboy
I am sick and tired of hearing people say 'Lucasforums sucks', ... and so on.
I wish you had read my message better. I never said LucasForums sucks. If I felt that were true, you would never see me here. What I said was that I would prefer that the individual message boards be on separate severs. That way, when one goes down, the others would still be available.

I frequent a message board that is NOT part of LucasForums. It is, however, hosted by mojo, so when mojo is taken down by "too many LF connections", all of its hosted sites go down as well. You admit, yourself, that LF goes down. I will concede that the downtime is shorter, nowadays, but it still happens.

The reason it happens (to quote the message page that I see 3-4 times a week) is "user overload". It is a problem that MUST occur when you try to allow too many connections on one server. It is exactly what I dreaded in November when I first heard the announcement of combining all the LEC messageboards.

And, I was not critisizing RemiO in any way. I'm sorry that you read that into my post and gratified that RemiO did not take it in that vein. I rather like RemiO's style ... you should watch him, for he can teach you some things about moderation.

What I critisized was the many (well meaning) assurances that have been delivered to us about the new (and newest) server move will prevent the downtime. So far, the server moves have mitigated, but not prevented the downtime inherent in this massive collection of messageboards, as promised. How could they? So, all I was really saying was that talk is cheap. False hopes are an insult to my intelligence.

You asked, "...who the hell are you to critisize...?". I ask you, "Who 'the hell' do I have to be?". By your logic, I am not allowed to critisize Bush's little "war" on terrorism, simply because I live in the United States. Where I live, the freedom of speech IS a right, not a privilage.

Since I am a user of LucasForums, I am perfectly within my rights to critisize what I see as bad judgement. As I have said many times, "It is a fool's prerogative to point out that the Emperor has no clothes." If you see yourself as "the emperor" then you are taking yourself way too seriously. It is the idea of combining all these message boards that I dislike, not its volunteers. In the end, what have I done but proclaim myself "the fool"?

As long as I stay within the boundries of good taste that are laid out in the terms of agreement that I submitted with my membership application, what I type shall be read. And what I say is still the same. This is an idea that is too unwieldy--too cumbersome to succeed completely. The capabilities of the technology are simply inadequate to the task. It is a pipe dream.

The "egg will be on my face" when LucasForums can run an entire month without a single hour of downtime. So far, its track record is only about 40 hours between downtimes.

RaptorII
08-24-2002, 12:55 AM
By that logic, because you work at a job, and are a part of that organization, it is there for totally within your right, and practically your duty, to criticize your boss, tell them that they are fat, lazy, and ****ing ass holes, and your boss should take that as constructive criticism, and probably promote you.

No, this is a PRIVATE NETWORK, it is a total privilege to do anything here. Just as specific constitutional rights can be ignored on private properties. Such as freedom of speech for one.

Just remember my friend, death, and taxes. Death, and taxes, nothing more. Everything else is just something nice. So stop bitching, and go setup your own damned forum if you think you can do a better job.

You know, I totally understand being able to criticize a PUBLIC figure such as the President. Again, this is a privately owned network. Your access is truly a privilege. From my understanding, you have done absolutely NOTHING for this network other than posting and using its bandwidth, if anything you owe them. So you know, maybe you could drop the attitude, and only give constructive things, or maybe privately e-mail someone your suggestion.

Just a few thoughts.

raVen_image
08-24-2002, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by RaptorII
By that logic, because you work at a job, and are a part of that organization, it is there for totally within your right, and practically your duty, to criticize your boss, tell them that they are fat, lazy, and ****ing ass holes...
Good call. It is my logic ... and I have done so to my employers ... but I don't have to resort to profanity to get my point across. I will always speak my mind. And I have been promoted in my career due, in part, to presenting my grievances in a calm and reasonable manner. Typically, when I feel the kind of emotion that you've displayed, I simply quit my job, rather than resort to illiteracy.

And I would quit LucasForums is I felt this strongly. My opinions do not reach this level of childishness, though. I simply state my mind ... with thoughtful eloquence and dignity. You might consider trying this approach.

**edit**
to emphasize my point, I just got the "too many connections" message when trying to correct a misspelling in this post. Yes, it came back quickly, but LucasForums is now only one minute away from its last downtime.

mercatfat
08-24-2002, 03:23 AM
Christ. Does forum downtime really impact your life that much?

I can't possibly imagine how bitching about your job has ever gotten you ahead. From the sound of your post, it sounds like you've quit quite a few jobs. If you demand perfection your whole life, you'll never get ahead in life.

To emphasize my point, you lose. In life.

Courthold
08-24-2002, 03:40 AM
So far, its track record is only about 40 hours between downtimes.

I take it you can't count above 40?

Ben Whatsisname
08-24-2002, 04:03 AM
How does Scumm Bar switching to mojo forums cause any problems? People consider themselves part of the LucasArts Fan Community, then this move is for the best. One community. One voice.

Server downtimes will happen. Unless you have access to a T1 or better connection and a server to donate for free, shut face or write Mojo a nice, fat, 6-digit check so you don't lose any surf time.

RaptorII
08-24-2002, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by raVen_image

Typically, when I feel the kind of emotion that you've displayed, I simply quit my job, rather than resort to illiteracy.

Hmm, you know, it really sounds crazy, but I was saying that as a mere hypothetical situation based upon your behavior. I don't really know your personal stance on profanity; however, I have had my share of people inform me that they have told their bosses what I used as an example. However, usually after they quit, or were fired, but if not, I assure you they lost their job shortly there after.

Now seriously, since when is using profanity in what essentially would be in substitution of a hypothetical quote used in a non-active sentence, illiteracy?

Originally posted by raVen_image

My opinions do not reach this level of childishness, though. I simply state my mind ... with thoughtful eloquence and dignity. You might consider trying this approach.

Gee, that sure is funny; you still seem to carry a great attitude that I initially detected when you posted in this thread. And the fact that this seems to carry on without any validation of any points that anyone has presented, only shows your lack of empathy, or basic understanding, or perhaps you choose to ignore these points, and rather do as you have done, and focus upon other points in people's replies, there by validating you self just that much more. Or do I have you all wrong? (You really shouldn't reply to that. It is simply just me exposing my 'childish' self.)

At this point, I am sure you find all of this quite immature, and so, in such a manner, I see no reason to think that you would find me using a quote of such language any different. But at this point, I care not.

I say, put up, or shut up.

Give some cash to the people that make this all possible, start your own network, or just stop complaining about something that is provided completely free, I mean, even the ads are tiny and just at the top, which is way better than most.

You can go ahead and insult my intelligence by the manner in which I reply to you, and you can carry on your narcissistic dreams all you want. As for me, I will reply to this thread no more.

mercatfat
08-24-2002, 04:26 AM
Swearing, when properly used, is not a sign of illiteracy. Calling a boss a '****ing *******' is an intensifier followed by the proper use of the slang term '*******' and is therefore perfectly acceptable, since it may well be the strongest words to convey the argument. Remember, we only consider them not okay to say due to their 'power' as words.

On the other hand, talking like a Kevin Smith movie is illiterate as they abuse the words to the point they lose their impact, and as a result, become illiterate. So in other words, if he walked in on his boss and said 'You ****ing sack of ****! I've worked for this ****ing company so long and I'm still only making 7 ****ing dollars a ****ing hour. You ****ing *******, **** you.', he would be illiterate.

scabb
08-24-2002, 10:46 AM
May I add, that using the American constitution in your argument is a very foolish, narrow minded thing to do. This forum is international, as I am sure you know, not to mention the fact that the founder of 'The International House of Mojo' was not of American origin nor was he an American citizen.

raVen_image
08-24-2002, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by scabb
May I add, that using the American constitution in your argument is a very foolish...
You may say this and quite rightfully so. Please, all, remember this line:

Originally posted by raVen_image
In the end, what have I done but proclaim myself [as] "the fool"?
I said this yesterday and it is no less true today. If I remark myself in this manner, all of your replies are merely fodder to that point.

I know that my words mean very little ('talk is cheap', like I said). But, I will not retract what I said, because it is how I feel. It is not belligerent, nor is it slander. It is truth ... until it is proven false. To date, what I have said cannot be denied.

To the point of "illiteracy" ... see definition b : violating approved patterns of speaking or writing. (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?illiterate)

To the point of my "owing mojo" ...rubbish! I owe nothing more than I agreed to when I signed on. If mojo needs money, then that should be specified in the terms of the user agreement.

**edit**
Oooops, sorry to edit this in, but I need to address this point too.

Originally posted by mercatfat
Christ. Does forum downtime really impact your life that much?
Yes. The reason is that I moderate that other message board I mentioned before. I have perhaps two hours available in the early mornings to do this task during weekdays. (I am one of those volunteers that was mentioned) When the forum is down due to server overloads, I am not allowed the opportunity to get rid of the profanity and spam that occasionally occurs.

Weekends I have more time, so it isn't a problem.

scabb
08-24-2002, 11:59 AM
May I also add that this argument is absolutely stupid.
You don't have to prove what illiteracy means with a dictionary definition, and even so, you called Mr RaptorII illiterate just because he made a few spelling/grammatical errors and used vulgar language. Which is ****ing stupid. It's the internet for christs sake.

Besides, that's not the point. If you want to argue, please stick to the subject, dont stray off it just so that you can flame people and seemingly gain the upper hand.

In the end, nothing will come of this argument. Lucasforums is here. If you want to bitch about it and exaggerate server down time, fine, it's not gonna help at all - In fact, it's increasing the chances of the server overloading.

This petty dispute should be resolved immediatly.

bgbennyboy
08-25-2002, 02:43 PM
And here I should intercede.
I probably should have realised that I was starting a flame-a-thon, I shall try and maintain my more neutral position in the future.
The last thing anyone wants is another daft argument where people micro-analyse each others posts and start getting into ridiculous arguments about arguments.

We've all had a quiet moan about Lucasforums in the past but its better now and well worth waiting for.

Resolved(hopefully)

Jake
08-25-2002, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by raVen_image

I wish you had read my message better. I never said LucasForums sucks. If I felt that were true, you would never see me here. What I said was that I would prefer that the individual message boards be on separate severs. That way, when one goes down, the others would still be available.

First, let me just point out that in typical raVen fashion, he ran away when he realized he was going to lose his own flame war.

Second, in case he does pop back in, that theory is ridiculous. The reason we're only on two or three servers across the whole network is because they cost money. In a perfect world, even Mindbent and Polecats Lounge would get their own server. Sadly, especially with the way banner ads pay these days, that's impossible. Only with a ton of sites gathered together in one place can we raise anywhere near enough money to keep the whole thing afloat. Mojo was never able to stay out of debt by itself, and we used to get kicked from host to host, reamed, ripped-off, and left for dead. Now, (ESPECIALLY) with the visitors LucasForums gets combined with Mojo's network and the Star Wars sites, the entire network can not only stay alive and financially sound, but we can call the shots when someone tries to dick us around and rip us off. (read: it's good)

As it is right now, LucasForums is at least put on its own server most of the time, so when it does at least the websites stay up. We're currently shuffling the sites around a lot because we've again bought better servers with more muscle and less bandwidth restrictions (i think we have a couple servers now that have infinite bandwidth per month, meaning we can transfer as much data on and off of them as we'd like and won't incur some huge excessive bandwidth fine). That is *GOOD* for every site on the network. It means we'll have less cross-server sites (like JKII.net's files site and LucasForums were both able to crash 2 servers before because they had to spread out their data for bandwidth limit saving purposes), and the ability to open files sites like LucasFiles (coming soon) and probably MojoDownloads again.

LFNetwork, LucasForums, and the gang may at a glance seem like some stupid evil idea, but the only reason we made them in the first place was to guarantee everyone in this community a place to actually do what they do and enjoy it.

LucasForums may have some downtime here and then, but it's not going to dissapear. We won't be kicked off a server, we won't run out of funds, our staff won't randomly all decide to quit. Those are all problems of smaller, individually run sites. LucasForums and the LFNetwork will stay around, and be dependable in the long run, even if we go through some growing pains.

Now, please, STFU and enjoy yourself. Jeez.

Metallus
08-25-2002, 03:29 PM
Yeah, so welcome to the forum everyone.

Blaze_Marley-Flamestrike
08-25-2002, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by raVen_image
Broadband service won't help you when the server collapses under the weight of its connections.


But it will help the 10-20 min load times per page (yes it's even worce then it useta be).... And that’s 24/7 for me :( (I though I had complaned about this when Rave was around before, guess not :P)

If I could come here with out the long load times I'd probably have like 700 posts by now.... But no I have 70 something posts, and most of them were from EscapeMI before this whole LucasForum thing… One of the two reasons I left…

scabb
08-25-2002, 05:28 PM
Anyway, If the forum apparently 'crashes' so much, would you feel happier if the admins highered the posting restriction from one post every 60 seconds to 90 seconds?

raVen_image
08-25-2002, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Jake
First, let me just point out that in typical raVen fashion, he ran away when he realized he was going to lose his own flame war.
I haven't lost the flame war Jakie ... I haven't been flamed as of yet ... your explaination ( and your little shadow) notwithstanding. And being gone for 24 hours is hardly "running away". It's more like, having other things to do this weekend.

Now, please, STFU and enjoy yourself. Jeez.
I am enjoying myself. Without the need for acronymic profanity, popup ads, and embedded banners. Fortunately, these things are all too superfluous and unnecessary, for me to be concerned about.

Jake
08-25-2002, 06:53 PM
One banner? At the bottom of the page? Right. The Mojo forums are pretty banner-light arent they? One. MAYBE 2. No popups.

Mojo itself is a little banner heavy at the moment, which is annoying everyone including us. We're working on that. That's terrible and frustrating, but I'm not going to deny it..

and... "jakie" ? you're fired.

ptdc
08-25-2002, 07:08 PM
The only ads that bother me are popups or popunders, because they're so intrusive. Luckily you can get software to deal with them and normal ads too.

Gabez
08-25-2002, 07:21 PM
The LFnetwork is created by fans, for fans. I'm grateful that we’ve got a community so diverse and rich… and a few banner adds is a small price to pay for that.

Junior™
08-25-2002, 09:47 PM
Wow Gabez, that's a great line there right under your username. I wonder where you got it from.

:D

benjoyce
08-26-2002, 03:35 AM
raVen_image, only one thing I'd like to ask from you:
Is that worth it? Does that make you so happy?
"What is the greatest moment of your life, David?"- Various people from Vanilla Sky
Because I see like you don't really. You like arguing and correcting people. you should be the head of a communist state where everything is under your rule and you can order everybody to order what you want. I think you can't accept the world. What I think is that you should get the most out of the world with harming the less of the people. And I think you are taking things too serious. Life is not only a big problem which must be solved. Life is more of a place where you must spend about nearly five million hours. Everyone goal is to pursue happiness. I haven't seen any hapiness in any of your posts. Are you so mean that you are not showing your happy side? When are you carefree? When are you not annoyed?

*EDIT*
*In reply to Junior's wonderfully captured post*
:D Well, actually Gabez is always so laconical when it comes to compose. Why shall we write anything else than our names?
The other things will be in our heart and our minds.