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Jah Warrior
09-04-2002, 10:50 AM
OK,

A little while ago I bought the halflife pack including blueshift and counterstrike and all that stuff, I didnt install it basicly because I was onto JK2 big time. Well, the other day I installed it, I was shocked to say the least.

The graphics sucked in a bad way, the gameplay was plain sucky, and it was rife with cheats, they were even chatting about different cheat mods openly it was that bad!

Why then is there like (at the time of posting this thread) 136,000 players on line when a good game liek JK2 has only 2,200 players online.

What is so good about counterstrike I really do fail to see what the fascination with it is. :confused:

OK Counterstrike has been around for ages and it has an established fan base but it does not even compare to JK2 in terms of quality, and next to games like Soldier of Fortune 2 it looks like something concieved for the Amiga.

Any thoughts?

C'jais
09-04-2002, 11:04 AM
It does suck...

Plainly, CS has NOTHING going for it other than the established fanbase you mentioned.

Nearly every new "realistic", teambased halflife mod is better, but the CS-mob just refuses to acknowledge the fact.

Day of Defeat is far more realistic and it follows more or less the same gameplay - just better. Pick that mod if you're a bold proclaimer of CS's so called "realism".... pfeh.

Actually, I was so used to the sniperrifle being used in a realistic way, that once I tried CS again I got brutally raped by "snipers" storming along, having perfect accuracy etc...

And that sh*t about shooting through 10 inches of reinforced concrete: bleh.

The ability to survive a direct hit from an exploding HE nade: bleh.

Those jerks claiming CS is oh so damn realistic and promotes teamwork: bleh.

DoD is the only halflife mod I've ever played bigtime (played CS a bit, but got bored of it quickly, it has no depth), but I'm sure most every other mod is better...

Tyrion
09-04-2002, 11:09 AM
Yeah..and to get onto the "dedicated" servers which proboly are still hacked cost 25.00.... :rolleyes:

Kyth'emos
09-04-2002, 12:04 PM
I never played or even saw the game... ubtil I saw a screen shot of CS in PC gamer this month, and I can not believe the crapiness of the graphics.

LivingSacrifice
09-04-2002, 12:05 PM
I have always wanted to try this game, but I keep hearing bad things about this game. I heard that Ghost Recon was better and also Americas Army. Does anyone else have any info on this?

And Jais, what is DoD? Is it a mod for Halflife?

Peace

leXX
09-04-2002, 12:25 PM
Counterstrike does indeed suck! Full of idiots imo.

If you have Half Life, I highly recommend you play TFC (Team Fortress Classic). It is truly the best mod for the game and does not have nearly as much lamers. It is CTF based and alot more fun to play. I played it for a year none stop before I bought JK2 and have recently started playing again. I love it!

You have to remember though that Half Life was made many years ago so of course the graphics are gonna be crap by todays standards.

mima kake
09-04-2002, 12:31 PM
C.S. was the first time I played a online game.
I did liked it then but there are much better Half-life mods

There is also a rally cross mod on the way and that sounds fun.

But still the graphics are a bit dated.

C'jais
09-04-2002, 12:33 PM
Yes, as lexx says - the graphics are outdated, but that shouldn't matter to any game. Many great games are still played and enjoyed, despite being made 5 years ago and with graphics from the doom days....

Counterstrike though, never had a "teambased" gameplay, it's always been every man for himself and that's it... I know you can say the contrary is quite true, but the teamplay simply PALES in comparison to many other great mods and games.

For newcomers, I simply can't see why CS should be found so attractive.

DoD is Day of Defeat, a halflife mod yes - www.dayofdefeatmod.com

Very good mod, WW2 based, with classes.
Haven't tried the latest big patch (3.0), I hear it's gotten more counter strikey....

Darth-Nasty
09-04-2002, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by leXX
If you have Half Life, I highly recommend you play TFC (Team Fortress Classic). It is truly the best mod for the game

i agree with that

Originally posted by leXX
Counterstrike does indeed suck!

i dissagree with that.

tfc does rule and it is the best mod but cs is good as well. mind you i only ever play cs with bots cos of my shoddy connection (strange cs is much slower on the internet than tfc??) so i havent really seen many of the idiots that everyone talks about

XERXES
09-04-2002, 02:32 PM
i used to love CS, i still play it occasionally with friends. Its a great game. Simple, but great.

Kstar__2
09-04-2002, 02:36 PM
i never played cs, and never saw a screenie of it, but i still think jkii is the best, and i really don't like AA

XERXES
09-04-2002, 02:45 PM
although JK2 is a great game, it just doesnt hold me attention like CS did. And like Neverwinter Nights does now.

Sith Maximus
09-04-2002, 03:25 PM
The thing to remember about CS is this. Its simple to use and easy to run. It runs perfect on even a slow 56k connection. This along with the ability to cheat so easily has made it a very popular game among the young and those without the benifit of a high speed connection. My brother does not like CS all that much but with his old 450p3 and a 56k connection he can play little else. Plus you want realism play SWAT3.

C'jais
09-04-2002, 03:28 PM
SWAT3 is an *excellent* game, I've played it a ton with my mates...

Sadly, it does not have a huge online following and it's pretty much only the hardcore players that like it.

Clem
09-04-2002, 03:30 PM
i dont think the half life graphics are that bad .... but i dont care about graphics neway ...

blueshifts good if short ... neva played CS

mima kake
09-04-2002, 04:04 PM
Yeah agree

I'ts not the graphics what makes a game good.

But I prefer medal of honor over day of defeat now.

because of the better graphics.(and the game is new to me)

But gameplay wise,
I must say that D.O.D. is far more better to me.

But heeeey who cares about my opinion anyway.:D

Kyth'emos
09-04-2002, 04:05 PM
Clem, from the screenshots I saw Half life's graphics suck when compared to JK's (the first one) graphics.

Clem
09-04-2002, 04:10 PM
its not that bad .... and GTA1's graphics are pretty abismal but its a damn sweet game

Ratmjedi
09-04-2002, 07:47 PM
I played Cs and I did not like it. I like America's Army but I have 56k so it sucks for me. I love Mohaa because it is such a fun game. I like Jedi Outcast cause it so fun and never gets boring.
:duel: :lsduel:

XERXES
09-04-2002, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by mima kake
Yeah agree

I'ts not the graphics what makes a game good.

But I prefer medal of honor over day of defeat now.

because of the better graphics.(and the game is new to me)

But gameplay wise,
I must say that D.O.D. is far more better to me.

But heeeey who cares about my opinion anyway.:D
waaaaait, you say "its not the graphics that make a game good" then you go on to say.... you like MOH because of better graphics.... wtf dude.

$P4RK
09-04-2002, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Jah Warrior
OK,

A little while ago I bought the halflife pack including blueshift and counterstrike and all that stuff, I didnt install it basicly because I was onto JK2 big time. Well, the other day I installed it, I was shocked to say the least.

The graphics sucked in a bad way, the gameplay was plain sucky, and it was rife with cheats, they were even chatting about different cheat mods openly it was that bad!

Why then is there like (at the time of posting this thread) 136,000 players on line when a good game liek JK2 has only 2,200 players online.

What is so good about counterstrike I really do fail to see what the fascination with it is. :confused:

OK Counterstrike has been around for ages and it has an established fan base but it does not even compare to JK2 in terms of quality, and next to games like Soldier of Fortune 2 it looks like something concieved for the Amiga.

Any thoughts?


1.****er-Strike Rules
2.It's Addictive when your not a newbie to it (Like I aint no newbie to it)
3.It's FUN

4.END

$P4RK
09-04-2002, 07:58 PM
Why is there stars, I said 'Counter-Strike'?

Darth-Nasty
09-04-2002, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by $P4RK



1.****er-Strike Rules
2.It's Addictive when your not a newbie to it (Like I aint no newbie to it)
3.It's FUN

4.END

as there are four stars you made a four letter word by missing a letter out of "count"

bearing in mind it censered the word, have a guess which letter you missed:)

Jah Warrior
09-04-2002, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by $P4RK



1.****er-Strike Rules
2.It's Addictive when your not a newbie to it (Like I aint no newbie to it)
3.It's FUN

4.END

OK, well i just got SoF2 the other day, and picked it up immediately, great graphics, even better gameplay.

Counterstrike to get it running at the latest 1.5 version took over 1 1/2 hrs to download patches and this is 512kbps which is frankly apalling. After this marathon of downloading I was gutted when i saw what I'd been wasting my time for.

The graphics I could have forgiven but its just soooo clunky to play, far from slick.

These cheating types instantly set the alarm bells ringing because I simply am not prepared to let anyone forcwe me into using cheats just to remain competitive.

Thanks but if anyone wants a retail copy of CS and Blueshift I'll send it to them for free, It sucks that bad.

Darth Knight
09-04-2002, 08:47 PM
you have to think it is what a like 2 years old now or something you can't compare it to today's graphics


BUT I LOVE CS IT IS SO AWSOME

also i am sorry but tfc imo sucks, it is not that fun to play, and one downsaide of cs is downloading those patches takes soooooooo long

Absurd
09-04-2002, 10:01 PM
Counterstrike works on any POS computer.

Otherwise, Comanche 4 is really fun online:

http://www.novalogic.com/downloaddetails.asp?GameKey=C4#Single%20Player%20D emo

Comanche 4 Guide:

http://www.geocities.com/c4guide/

Weapon X
09-04-2002, 10:15 PM
why do you people hate CS??? you still like games on the super nintendo which have MUCH worse graphics than CS, i love that game, i've spent MANY hours on a network w/friends and family tearin it up on those maps, so what if the graphics aren't as good as brand new games? oh wait, brand new games SHOULD have better graphics than older games, remember Duke 3D? yeah, that game is the same for me, fun as **** and i spent many hours w/friends and family on it, along w/quake, unreal tournament, half-life... you guys can't judge a game by graphics at ALL, personally i like CS better than JKII cuz in CS when i shoot someone in the head they die, in JKII i can get shot and blown up and still come out of the smoke swingin that blue blade of mine, it's realism factor is supposed to be the fact that you don't get to get shot 20 times and live and go get health, you get shot in different areas w/diferent guns and it does different ammounts of damage, maybe it's just me but i LOVE that game, so do ALL of my friends and most of my bros, so if you're thinkin about flamin me, eat a dick cuz everyone has their own opinion

Pada-Wan
09-04-2002, 10:26 PM
y does everyone say it sucks? cs owns. its very fun. grab a gun and kill ppl. i dont run into many cheaters, so im fine. in jk2 everyone abuses the force pwrs and stuff. in cs, there is none of that. just shoot and kill. i play both but id give the nod to cs

thehomicidalegg
09-05-2002, 06:20 AM
a game isnt necessarily unplayable or bad just because its old, look at how many ppl are still playing starcraft, which is 5 years old?

Jedi Spy
09-05-2002, 07:14 AM
Oh come on....u cant really comment on how good a game is by 'how good it looks' thats really lame cs is all about gameplay.

And the ultimate online game is ..... Subspace! now called continuum completely run by players since Virgin Interactive dropped it 4 years ago.

download it here - http://www.sscontinuum.com/downloads/continuum37.exe

the main site www.subspace.net is down just now and i hope it gets back up soon!

When u get in game type ?find Spy and i will help u out just say u are a fellow jk2 player and i will sort u out :D



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http://sin.shanky.com/jedispy.jpg

Jah Warrior
09-05-2002, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Jedi Spy
Oh come on....u cant really comment on how good a game is by 'how good it looks' thats really lame cs is all about gameplay.

If you'd read the posts I also menmtion that the gameplay sucks too;)

leXX
09-05-2002, 07:31 AM
Hold on! How come Jedi Spy has got a picture sig, I thought they wern't allowed!!! :confused:

Jah Warrior
09-05-2002, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by leXX
Hold on! How come Jedi Spy has got a picture sig, I thought they wern't allowed!!! :confused:

he hasn't, if you quote his message you can see that he has an html link that he puts at bottom of all messages rather than having it in his siggy, easy to do, just make a yext file with the link in it and put it at the bottom of all messages.

Darth-Nasty
09-05-2002, 07:52 AM
ahh very clever Jedi Spy

you had me fooled

i was just about to go and make a nice animated gif to put in my sig:)

C'jais
09-05-2002, 08:04 AM
The things that detracts from the "real world experience" in CS is that you can get shot in the head and still survive. And it takes like what, 7 rounds to stop a person from moving? That's just sick...

But it all boils down to the whole gaming mentality around CS: 13 year-old geeks calling everyone a n00b... n00b this, n00b that... l33t awmp skillz there, deagle "ownership" over here.... etc....

When most people think of computer gamers - they think of CS-gamers, and what might follow.

CS-playas are so damn inbred you'd think it was a joke... GET UP AND PLAY SOME OTHER GAMES!

Weapon X
09-05-2002, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by cjais
The things that detracts from the "real world experience" in CS is that you can get shot in the head and still survive. And it takes like what, 7 rounds to stop a person from moving? That's just sick...

But it all boils down to the whole gaming mentality around CS: 13 year-old geeks calling everyone a n00b... n00b this, n00b that... l33t awmp skillz there, deagle "ownership" over here.... etc....

When most people think of computer gamers - they think of CS-gamers, and what might follow.

CS-playas are so damn inbred you'd think it was a joke... GET UP AND PLAY SOME OTHER GAMES!

i'm gonna try to stay calm as i post this reply, NOT EVERYONE playing counter-strike is a 13 yr. old geek w/no life, i'm 16, i swim play baseball and run track for ec activities and hang out w/my friends almost every night, but i also play CS, am i a 13 yr. old geek? no i guess not, neither are my bros or any of my friends that play CS, it's people like YOU, cjais, that make games unenjoyable for people, cuz people like YOU will get on a game play it for a while say it sucks, maybe bring out a few bad points in it, suggest a better game, then leave, then others will follow cuz they want to be where there's more people and those of us who actually like games for play value get a little upset that no one likes it anymore, JKII has no replay value in sp and its easy to beat, at least in CS you don't NEED an internet connection to enjoy it, my bro got a cd w/the bots on it and it's fun as hell, also, in CS it depends on what gun you use when killing someone whether they withstand 4-5 shots or just one, no one lasts 7 shots w/o having body armor and getting shot in an extremety, a head shot kills you, maybe you missed? CS is one of the greatest ever made, who cares about graphics, not me, i still love to play older PC games, i.e. warcraft 2? CS has great gameplay, better than JKII, it's a better game than JKII overall, and is CERTAINLY better than TFC, that sucks

Darth Knight
09-05-2002, 10:13 PM
yeah anakin i agree with you.....i paly soccer, cross cournty, rifle team, orienterring, and i am 15, so i neither am a 13 year old geek, but i LOVE cs, JO has some better stuff but cs is more fun to me becasue you are not just killing the people you have to use strategy with it, i think the game play is great also



and cjas....and in JO you can get hit with a lightsaber multiple times and shot with a rocket launcher but you can still live.....

Psionic Jedi
09-05-2002, 10:19 PM
I don't think of CS as total realism; go run to j00r tom clancy games for that!

CS is more "action realism" and No I do not mean Action Half Life or Opera what with Diving with Sniper Rifles and Shotguns.

It's like the Flight Sims that aren't really all that realistic; designed to make you feel like you are flying something but with a faster pace.

CS has a fast pace; faster than any TFC or Half-Life DM lifespan; but slow enough (limited by max speed holding a gun) to actually include any strategy. This makes a player value his life and actually fear the 2 minute waiting period that looms ever so close by loss of HP.

Jah: Graphics don't make the game, otherwise people would've dumped it a long time ago. Sorta like StarCraft!!! People are still playing it (I think) despite other RTSs that have 3d Acceleration and zoom in/out capability.

The only thing that is a thorn in CS's side is 1) the population and 2) cheating accusations.

With the huge fanbase there are alot of honest, skilled people who play the game for fun and with them comes alot of unskilled people who enjoy being jerks to the former. This is what creates the talk of so many "idiots'' on CS; while the regular player to idiot ratio could be the exact same as any game; you just see more of them.

Cheating accusations are killing the game; people ignore the fact that Valve is working 24/7 on their Anticheat and cheaters are being banned from all secure servers for an entire day each time they are caught. With accusations come arguments and counter arguments, they ruin your game and makes you want to turn off your PC in disgust.

That said, just remember how many people flame Jk2 patches in the Valley; they must be proportional to how many people whine about AWP whores or decreased bunny jumping.... :D

The Truthful Liar
09-05-2002, 10:26 PM
CS is only fun with friends. Nuff said.

hehe:

http://www.nmgoh.com/funimages/Counter-Matrix.jpg

Weapon X
09-05-2002, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by Darth Knight
yeah anakin i agree with you.....i paly soccer, cross cournty, rifle team, orienterring, and i am 15, so i neither am a 13 year old geek, but i LOVE cs, JO has some better stuff but cs is more fun to me becasue you are not just killing the people you have to use strategy with it, i think the game play is great also



and cjas....and in JO you can get hit with a lightsaber multiple times and shot with a rocket launcher but you can still live.....

are you in a ROTC program too? that's cool, so am i, i'm a junior and started as a freshman, we take trips twice a year to seattle and san diego, i've gone to both SD trips, what is your program like? i tried rifle team but it was getting in the way of swimming so i had to quit even though i'm a damn good shot, w/real guns even more so than pellet guns

Weapon X
09-05-2002, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by cjais
The things that detracts from the "real world experience" in CS is that you can get shot in the head and still survive. And it takes like what, 7 rounds to stop a person from moving? That's just sick...

But it all boils down to the whole gaming mentality around CS: 13 year-old geeks calling everyone a n00b... n00b this, n00b that... l33t awmp skillz there, deagle "ownership" over here.... etc....

When most people think of computer gamers - they think of CS-gamers, and what might follow.

CS-playas are so damn inbred you'd think it was a joke... GET UP AND PLAY SOME OTHER GAMES!

also, you can't just categorize eveyone who plays CS as a 13 yr. old geek, that's rude to the rest of us and i don't like being called names cuz you had some bad experiences w/CS players in the past, me, my bros, and my friends have never cheated at CS or many other games for that matter (only if we're stuck and have tried the part we're stuck at MANY MANY MANY times and immediately take the cheats off) so don't go saying everyone who plays ANY game a 13yr old geek unless you've seen and gotten to know all of the players in person, you notice i didn't cuss in this post? that means i'm trying to get my point across and be nice at the same time, so if you flame me, i'm gonna make you contradict yourself and possibly embarass yourself by proving you wrong in more ways than one

Ratmjedi
09-06-2002, 01:34 AM
Well I know that this is off subject but who cares.

I just read a thread with something about a ROTC program. Im in ROTC too!:D
I'm in AFJROTC. Thats cool to see that other people here are in it too!

I am the Armed Drill Team Commander and the Honor Guard Commander. I am also a Senior! Where in San Diego did you visit Ep2 Anakin? I live about 40 minutes north off San Diego. I don't know if I am a very good shot but I can do some pretty crazy a$$ *hit with a M1 Garand!

I plan to join the Marine Corp. after HS and hopefully I might make it onto the Silent Drill Platoon!:D
:lsduel: :duel:

Darth Groovy
09-06-2002, 05:22 AM
I've never played CS. I have played Rouge Spear, and I really want to snag a copy of Ghost Recon because that game looks like big bad fun IMO. If you want some mindless shoot em up run ang gun fun, go get Serios Sam, The Second Encounter for a wopping $20 you can't go wrong!
http://www.gry-online.pl/.%5CGaleria%5CGaleria%5C56157953.jpg

mima kake
09-06-2002, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by XERXES

waaaaait, you say "its not the graphics that make a game good" then you go on to say.... you like MOH because of better graphics.... wtf dude.

Well the thing is we are two persons.
So we put two diffrent opinnions in one sentence.

Atleast one person who noticed it,
that something was'nt right:D

But to be clear "Mi" likes M O H because of the graphics.
And "Ma" likes D.O.D. beter because of the game play.

Was a bit poorly written i reccon.;)

The Truthful Liar
09-06-2002, 09:06 AM
*confused*

o_O

C'jais
09-06-2002, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by ep2 Anakin


also, you can't just categorize eveyone who plays CS as a 13 yr. old geek, that's rude to the rest of us and i don't like being called names cuz you had some bad experiences w/CS players in the past, me, my bros, and my friends have never cheated at CS or many other games for that matter (only if we're stuck and have tried the part we're stuck at MANY MANY MANY times and immediately take the cheats off) so don't go saying everyone who plays ANY game a 13yr old geek unless you've seen and gotten to know all of the players in person, you notice i didn't cuss in this post? that means i'm trying to get my point across and be nice at the same time, so if you flame me, i'm gonna make you contradict yourself and possibly embarass yourself by proving you wrong in more ways than one

Hey hey... I never flamed or cursed at anyone in that post of mine I reckon.... :confused:

About the 13 yr old geek issue: I called them that because most of the hardcore CS-players I've seen WERE 12 or 13 years old, or, at least acted like one...

And how can you become "stuck" in counter strike? Because you aren't winning? :confused:

Yes, I generalized and I am sorry... When you do the same, I'll come in and wipe ya a** off the forums... j/k...

Now go ahead and make me contradict myself :)

Weapon X
09-06-2002, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by cjais


Hey hey... I never flamed or cursed at anyone in that post of mine I reckon.... :confused:

About the 13 yr old geek issue: I called them that because most of the hardcore CS-players I've seen WERE 12 or 13 years old, or, at least acted like one...

And how can you become "stuck" in counter strike? Because you aren't winning? :confused:

Yes, I generalized and I am sorry... When you do the same, I'll come in and wipe ya a** off the forums... j/k...

Now go ahead and make me contradict myself :)

well, you're not one of them *******s that's all like "**** you you ****in piece of ****!..." and so on and so forth, so there's no need to;) :p
i'm in NJROTC and in SD we stayed at MCRD just this last year and Coronado my freshman year, all together we visited the SEAL base, both shipyards: the one w/the big ****in medical ship(got to tour that) and the one w/the troop drop ships, we also got to ride in the LCAC simulator, six flags in LA, and the big NEX that's somewhere bum****in i don't know, that town's too big for me, and they have signs: Speed Limit 55, everyone drives 80, including our bus driver who had a suit case full of liquor and was drunk half the time, he hit a deer before we even got 50mi. from home and also almost hit a giant goddamn moose, that woulda ended the trip, my instructors are badass so it makes the trip even more fun, but my 2 best friends left for the marines so i don't know who will be on the trips w/me this year:(

Jah Warrior
09-06-2002, 11:00 PM
dude you rpost has so many ****'S in it that I can;t even tel; what you are on about!!!!

Darth Knight
09-06-2002, 11:03 PM
yeah dog don't cuss as much, or well try to cuss...or what ever

Weapon X
09-06-2002, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Jah Warrior
dude you rpost has so many ****'S in it that I can;t even tel; what you are on about!!!!

to sum up the reply, cjais isn't an assh0le

JandoFett1842
09-06-2002, 11:15 PM
CS suck, get C&C Renegade if you like C&C rts.

Jah Warrior
09-07-2002, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by ep2 Anakin


to sum up the reply, cjais isn't an assh0le

LOL, no ****

C'jais
09-07-2002, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by ep2 Anakin


to sum up the reply, cjais isn't an assh0le

:D :p

Thanks steve!...

BTW Jah, your sig line looks fuxored to me....

Jah Warrior
09-07-2002, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by cjais


:D :p

Thanks steve!...

BTW Jah, your sig line looks fuxored to me....

no i want it liek this, I'm fond of limegreen, no seriously i cut and pasted the codes for my siggy and it looks like it would work but its gone all manky. Bloody weirdness innnit

C'jais
09-07-2002, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Jah Warrior


no i want it liek this, I'm fond of limegreen, no seriously i cut and pasted the codes for my siggy and it looks like it would work but its gone all manky. Bloody weirdness innnit

Errrr... innit?

:D

leXX
09-07-2002, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by Jah Warrior


no i want it liek this, I'm fond of limegreen, no seriously i cut and pasted the codes for my siggy and it looks like it would work but its gone all manky. Bloody weirdness innnit

revised edition in the mail! sorry bout dat :D ;)