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Midgit Yoda
09-04-2002, 08:39 PM
Okay guys, here's a good request that someone here should consider.

CLOSE THE REQUEST THREAD!!!! It NEVER does any good. None of the modelers hardly ever go there and when they do they don't take the ideas from there. Plus a bunch of noobz that can't even model at all go there just so they don't have to teach their lazy asses how to model. Plus most modelers are leaving because so many people are always dissing their work when it's awesome but the dummies don't know that it is a step by step process. The first Images aren't going to look like the character. Anyway. It's stupid to have the request thread in my opinion, it's more trouble than it's worth.

hawk_of_war
09-04-2002, 08:45 PM
That's one of the first intelligant things said about the request thread that I've read. I highly agree. It might clutter the forum up a bit more but it would make it much easier to search for certain requested models and it would make it better to know if anyone has taken up a request (so we don't end up with 50 different Battle Droid models again :p )

VampireHunterD
09-04-2002, 08:53 PM
I totally agree that the request thread needs to be deleted. If
these people had put as much effort into learning to model as they
do making these bunches of requests they could have gotten these
models so much faster. ;)

hawk_of_war
09-04-2002, 08:54 PM
LOL! Too true.... too true.

Jo
09-04-2002, 09:10 PM
this belongs in the request forum






by the way that was a joke for the really uptight people

Midgit Yoda
09-04-2002, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by askkkkkkkk88
this belongs in the request forum






by the way that was a joke for the really uptight people
I found that frickin hillarious!!!!!!!!
"by the way that was a joke for the really upright people" LOL

Jo
09-04-2002, 09:17 PM
about time someone laughs at my jokes........that and anytime i reply to a thread...it seems to imediatly dies...never to be posted on again
do i just have that natural....i dont know, THING!!that scares ppl off

hawk_of_war
09-04-2002, 09:17 PM
Ouch, you might make some people mad doing that.

hawk_of_war
09-04-2002, 09:21 PM
No, you just have the luck of joining threads when they are starting to die. Happens to me all the time as well. I think i reply so often that I bore them to death.

Jo
09-04-2002, 09:21 PM
who me.....

hawk_of_war
09-04-2002, 09:23 PM
Yeah... I didn't notice your second post till I got an email cause I was typing my post while you were posting yours... or something like that.

Jo
09-04-2002, 09:23 PM
migit yoda has more posts than me........and he joined after me....

hawk_of_war
09-04-2002, 09:24 PM
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:eyeraise:
I think I missed part of this conversation and I'm 1 of 2 major people in it.

Jo
09-04-2002, 09:26 PM
nevermind

hawk_of_war
09-04-2002, 09:29 PM
LOL! Obviously we aren't on the same page here.

Midgit Yoda
09-04-2002, 09:29 PM
Yeah I post at least once every few days.
I don't think I've spammed but a few times either lol. (hence this time for you uptight people out there).:rolleyes:

VampireHunterD
09-04-2002, 09:30 PM
Oh by the way Hawk_of_War and Askkkkkk88 be sure to go give
that stupid "official request thread" a 1 rating. Me and Midgit Yoda
have already given it the worst rating. Help us out in our efforts.
:D :D :D :D

hawk_of_war
09-04-2002, 09:33 PM
That'd help if I knew how to. I'm certain its some obvious way that I haven't been obsservant enough to notice.


P.S. Could you guys hold off on responding for a while so I can get bussy doing something else so I don't respond for atleast an hour. :D

funny_dude0
09-04-2002, 10:04 PM
Closing the request thread seems like a good idea. Since none of the moderators have replied yet I guess I'll just post a poll maybe that'll get their attention.

Sounds Risky
09-04-2002, 10:12 PM
I suppose you guys didn't notice but the request thread gets cleaned up every once in awhile by Kman.

funny_dude0
09-04-2002, 10:15 PM
Well if people are complaining about it he must not do it fast enough. Not that it's his fault or nething.

VampireHunterD
09-05-2002, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Matt Shoemaker
I suppose you guys didn't notice but the request thread gets cleaned up every once in awhile by Kman.

I suppose you didn't notice but this is really and truly is supposed
to be a forum where people show off their work, not a place to
put a thread that has people begging and whining instead of learning it for themselves. ;)

Ah hell, the request thread is so pointless that it may as well get
it's own entire forum made for itself. It should be titled something
like this:

*JK2 Skin/Model Request Forum:*
*The place for those who are too incompetent to learn how to model/skin for themselves and have to have someone else do the
work for them so they achieve nothing in life.*

LOL! Why can't you people just learn the stuff for yourselves instead of bothering others who have things to do? :rolleyes:

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
09-05-2002, 01:49 AM
Too true. Though I don't model I do dabble in skinning. And the reason I do dabble in skinning( and mapping) is because I wanted to learn new and fun things. And create cool works of art. I hope your voices are heard. I voted the request thread a 1. Hope it helps. Take it easy fellas. :)

VampireHunterD
09-05-2002, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by jessman233
Too true. Though I don't model I do dabble in skinning. And the reason I do dabble in skinning( and mapping) is because I wanted to learn new and fun things. And create cool works of art. And now I'll be skinning a great model. Can't talk about it yet....Kinda on the hush but you'll all see. :) Ps. I voted the request thread a 1. Hope it helps. Take it easy fellas. :)

Cool. I wish you luck in your work.;) And your vote for a 1 is most appreciated. :D

By the way, talk to HapSlash if you ever get the chance, you should get tips and advice on skinning from him. He is the best skinner I've ever seen around. :D

ALL BOW DOWN TO HAPSLASH!! :D

Sounds Risky
09-05-2002, 01:58 AM
You know most of the people who make the requests wouldn't have the patience to learn it themselves or do it correctly, so they have the request thread to have a single place to whine about models they want. Like you said this forum is to show work on models and such. It doesn't need lots of pointless request threads that wouldn't get answered except by the author every day or so saying "som1 plz listn 2 me!!!!!!!!!!"

The request thread is to keep the forum clean of that nonsense.

VampireHunterD
09-05-2002, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by Matt Shoemaker
You know most of the people who make the requests wouldn't have the patience to learn it themselves or do it correctly, so they have the request thread to have a single place to whine about models they want. Like you said this forum is to show work on models and such. It doesn't need lots of pointless request threads that wouldn't get answered except by the author every day or so saying "som1 plz listn 2 me!!!!!!!!!!"

The request thread is to keep the forum clean of that nonsense.

Well I believe they should be all put in their own forum to ensure this forum and all other forums stay clean of that nonsense. ;)

Sounds Risky
09-05-2002, 02:12 AM
I don't see how that would be any better than the Request thread. A lot of people who make a request come to the Modeling forum and post a new thread without even looking around. I doubt they would look for a Request section on the front page anymore than they would for the Request Thread in the Modeling section. So people would still post requests here, and even if they're moved there would still be a link here, cluttering up the place just like now. Plus even less modelers would visit the new section then visit the request thread now, which would make the whole request section meaningless. At least the way it is now a modeler might happen across the thread and check out what people would like to see.

KMan
09-05-2002, 02:13 AM
And if I do close and delete the Request Thread, then I will also close any request that pops up. Keep that in mind.

Andy867
09-05-2002, 02:18 AM
And if he supposedly isn't online, then I WILL close them. So what would you rather have a place where you can put requests openly, or post individual threads requesting models that I or KMAN, EETS will close.

Major Clod
09-05-2002, 07:56 AM
Either way it doesn't bother me, I don't read requests, I make what I want to make. Though if the requests are put into a single thread, it does remove clutter on the forums.

Plus most modelers are leaving because so many people are always dissing their work when it's awesome but the dummies don't know that it is a step by step process.

Actually, from what I've read in the forums, its seems quite the opposite. Someone can post a model made out of a few odd primitives thrown together, and they get praise here. The people "dissing" the work are most likely the ones that have an idea of what they are talking about. What gets me is people post a very basic WIP that they have worked on for the last few hours, why bother? Post a WIP when you have more to show for it.

funny_dude0
09-05-2002, 05:14 PM
The Official Request Thread has good purpose but unfortunately not many requests actually get noticed. It would create a giant mess if everyone did post for requests as well. I also think that you are wrong when you say that most people are just too lazy or stupid to figure out Gmax or 3dsmax or milkshape or whatever in the hell you guys may use. Some people are just simply better than others at this certain form of art. That's all.

You now have 3 choices that I can see:
1. Close the Request Thread.
2. Try to advertise the Request Thread better if at all possible.
3. Make another forum for requests all together.

All of these options have their upsides and downsides. I'm merely suggesting choices here. Hope this helps.

Midgit Yoda
09-05-2002, 05:24 PM
Well Kman, I would have to say that I personally think that you should delete the request thread and also delete any requests that come up. D is exactly right, this is to show off work, not beg for someone to make work for you. I think that if you do that though you need to add like a rule of thumb. SOmething like...
you get 3 warnings for requests, then you get banned or something like that. Someone not learning to not do that in the first time would be doing it to piss us off anyway. Besides, NO modelers pay attention to the requests anyway, sure they may be good Ideas but, jeez. I think that this should be for work only, maybe a request thread in the general editing forum. Sorry to cause an uproar but it's just starting to tick me off. Oh and to clod, I know what you mean about the praise thing hehe, I don't know what I was talkin about LOL.

Jo
09-05-2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by KMan
And if I do close and delete the Request Thread, then I will also close any request that pops up. Keep that in mind.


well if you do close it.....at least their request was seen and heard amongst the people

Deetox187
09-05-2002, 11:10 PM
I agree with funny_dude0 on this one, not everybody has the "ability" to skin or model. I'm not saying its right to beg for stuff but for some people the only option is to request if they have an idea. I myself am more than content with all the great models being made so i don't feel the need to request anything. But at the same time i understand why someone would want to request if they are like me and weren't born with any artistic flare.
I am a relatively smart guy and i can grasp for the most part how modeling and skinning are done, i've learned a lot just by reading all the posts here. I've even downloaded Gmax and had a look at it so i could understand some things better. But fact is it doesn't matter what i know because all i am capable of is doodling pathetic 2d characters on a peice of paper, no matter how hard i try i can't create anything that looks even remotely real. :(
So saying people shouldn't request because they are too lazy to learn themslelves isn't always the case. Even if you learn it that doesn't mean you can DO it, it mainly comes down to who has the talent and who does not.

please try not to grow an ego if you have that talent, you have a gift that many of us could only dream of having. ;)

Frumpus
09-06-2002, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Deetox187
...please try not to grow an ego if you have that talent, you have a gift that many of us could only dream of having. ;)
A good reminder; Ungratefulness is all too common.

I think the request thread "could" be useful - for those modellers who have creativity blocks and can't think of anything new to model (it happens, I know I've stared at a blank page many a time :) ),. . .and then are delighted to be "given" a sublject to work on.

Problem is, I think most modellers (if they're like me) want to work on .. what they WANT to work on - not what someone ELSE wants. I simply wouldn't have the motivation or patience to work on a model that someone ELSE really wanted unless I wanted to do the work too. (I'm finding character creation is a LOT of work!)

I really don't have a problem with closing these new requests that keep popping up. I enjoy seeing what other people are working on (or asking for). I DO NOT ENJOY the "bumping" that usually accompanies these threads to refresh them: ". . bump bumpity-bump. ..bump-bump,. . .bump. . ." = stupid and irritating! If they could be closed once the request has been made, then they wouldn't keep popping up now and again. People should be "Subscribing" to threads instead.

I agree with Askkkkkkkkkk88; these types of threads should be "Closed", but not "Deleted". (...Hmm, .. . of course, . . this just adds to the moderators' workload - which isn't very fair :( )

Threads that SHOULD keep popping up now and again are WIPS that "have something new to show", or questions re: modelling.

Perhaps instead of a "Request Thread", we could substitute it with something more USEFUL to the community: a "Reference Material" thread/forum, where people can ask for help to find reference pics of the subjects they want to model, or post links of reference art for those in need.