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funny_dude0
09-04-2002, 11:04 PM
I'm just starting this thread and I think it should be closed. If you agree/disagree just post it here.

Andy867
09-04-2002, 11:17 PM
No, I don't think it should be closed because it helps keep the forums less congested with 4,000 different model requests. However... I do believe more modelers should visit the Request thread. In their defense. I think more people should try modeling.. I did.. I sucked at it, but I did... I made an ear for Android 18 of DBZ... a really bad ear at that! but My vote is no, and its not because I am an admin, its because like everyone here, we want the forums to be less congested, because the more congested the forums, the longer it takes to log-on, and before we all know it, JKII will have to finding yet another new server just to keep up with the threads... See how much it helps...

Twisted Vertex
09-04-2002, 11:40 PM
I also vote NO.....I agree that the forums would become over come by everybody and his friend saying "gimme gimme"...Sometimes it bad enough that we see it within other threads. With the request thread close, your wips will be pushed to the 3rd page within a day.

funny_dude0
09-04-2002, 11:43 PM
Figures the people that wanted to get rid of the request forum closed are nowhere in sight.

Madjai
09-04-2002, 11:54 PM
maybe its just you, because like most modelers for JKO i dont take requests. sure i may be influenced if there is a particular character that people want, but if i dont want to make it im not going to. theres probably tons of models that modelers want to make before they cant think of any ideas and start taking requests, so i dont think it matters if we didnt even have a request thread and all requests were simply locked as soon as they pop up.
imo modelers are simply too busy working on projects they want to to take requests.

edit: ok i just saw and read the "request" thread, and i agree it is useless in the sense that no modelers look there and take requests, but it keeps those annoying people from cluttering up the modeling forum with request threads, so keep it. and if it is removed than i still hope moderators will lock any request threads created, because they are just as useless.

funny_dude0
09-04-2002, 11:58 PM
No it's not just me. There's serveral other forums that are asking this same question.

Gram_Reaper
09-05-2002, 12:24 AM
I vote no. Because when your request gets shot down in the forums. It gives you the strive to go out and make it yourself. The request thread is there for a reason.

Toonces
09-05-2002, 12:36 AM
All it would do is unessessarly clog up the forums. I DO actually visit the request thread, but I won't make a model that I have no intrest in doing. The request thread is fine just the way it is, and is a good place to find ideas that spark my intrest

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VampireHunterD
09-05-2002, 02:43 AM
Well, since everyone (except me) is wanting to keep the request thread, just remember that there will always be those off-topic
request threads in the modeling forum that you have to delete
anyway.

But, I might have an idea that could fix the off-topic requesting and
request thread problem altogether:

Instead of just keeping the thread, how about making a
"Request Forum"? That would let people make the specific request posts they want to make without cluttering up the modeling forum. And it would probably be visited a little more than the "request thread". ;)

And so for those who believe they need someone else to make a model they want in JK2 could then lead a happy requesting life in peace without cluttering up the other forums.:)

Matariel
09-05-2002, 03:40 AM
i voted no, because some people get ideas from the request thread, however, im sick and tired of people either *demanding* that their particular model be made, or *demanding* a model that is already in development be made....

just for these people-

1. If a model you want to see in jk2 is not being made by anyone, try making it yourself! there's plenty of free tools to use to make them...and if you say things like "aww but i dont have time!" i'll break your legs and scream something back like "Do you think us modellers only do this? We have lives!"

2. Please check other threads in the forum before posting in the request thread..i dont know how many requests for anikin/quigon/obiwan/matrix characters/dragonball Z there are in there- MOST OF THESE ARE ALREADY IN DEVELOPMENT!

just a thought :)

Darth-Nasty
09-05-2002, 08:37 AM
definatly no

this forum would just become unreadable with requests cluttering it up:(

fat_101
09-05-2002, 09:27 AM
I say yes close it BUT there has to be another idea for it i.e polls from someone who wants to make a model but not sure which one put up a poll or a request forum, i agree with the "itll clog up the forum if theres requests everywhere " but out of all the requests how many have been made/ being made, i know mines not :(

Ii mean whats the point really of having a reqeust forum if there are no modellers who want to make the requested models i.e toonces (sorry nothing personal) he looked at the thread but nothing intrested him and he made HIS own model he wanted

Granted it gives ideas but u only have to look at a star wars website 4 that :( anyway rant over :D

FATTEH

Again toonces im not saying anything against you , I noticed ur reply :)

Darth-Nasty
09-05-2002, 09:45 AM
i know that almost no moddlers look at it or get ideas from it and that in that way it doesnt serve its purpose

however wether requests get listened to or not doesnt change the fact that there will always be requests and they need to go somewhere so that this forum isnt a mess

hawk_of_war
09-05-2002, 03:38 PM
You can either have a request forum, where no one visits, were it is impossible to find a particular request, and very difficult to tell if there has been a responce to it.


You can get rid of it and have a cluttered forum and a tad bit higher chance of flooding (if people are irresponsible, which isn't a question of if as when).

Either way it takes up server space and either way not everyone is going to be happy. My vote is yes, just because I beleive the imature people will be rare, and can be banned in any case.

Just gatta love those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations don't you?

Lord Tnuc
09-05-2002, 04:32 PM
Well, I'm going with what Vampire said...I like his idea...of making a whole new forum just for requests...model requests and/or whatever other requests people might have. Just a basic and general "request" thread. That'd be nice.

Too bad it won't let me vote for some reason o.o

Frumpus
09-05-2002, 05:04 PM
I say not "closed", . . but edited and made concise - so that it's a useful tool for people who want a snapshot of the "needs and desires" of the community.

Who should do this?. . . hmm, somebody who has access/authority to edit webpages (we could even LINK the Request thread to the new page). I wish I could help, but I don't know how to make webpages.

hawk_of_war
09-05-2002, 05:23 PM
I have some html expeirence, but I didn't understand what you ment entirely. Could you be more specific?

Sounds Risky
09-05-2002, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Frumpus
I say not "closed", . . but edited and made concise - so that it's a useful tool for people who want a snapshot of the "needs and desires" of the community.

Kman and the other mods do that.

BradFu
09-05-2002, 09:46 PM
I vote No, because to me, the Reqeusts thread serves two purposes.

1 - Modellers who are looking for an idea for their next project can go there and perhaps get inspiration, or be reminded of a particular character that they would like to do.

2 - It might give people who would make a request an idea of just how often requests are fulfilled. Straight to the point, chances of a request actually being picked up by a modeller are slim to none. As has been said before, modellers make what they want. Occasionally a modeller will specifically ask people for ideas of what they should do next, which is the best time for people to make a request. Otherwise, it's just not going to be done, and it's best if people understand that so they don't get their hopes up.

Midgit Yoda
09-05-2002, 10:27 PM
Sure modelers looking for an idea might check it out but It still doesn't belong here. The Modeling forum is obviously for showing off your work and getting help with your work. I agree with D on this, I think it should be a new forum. SOmething like Modelling and Skinning Requests or something. From What I've seen no one goes there unless they despiratly want models made for them, or want to diss other people's ideas. I think it would actually get more attention from modelers if it was a different forum. Plus it would be more organized because you would just be reading like a 3 page Thread with Random Idea's going on. I mean, If I was a non-modeler wanting a model made, I would make a new thread for it because the request thread never gets response from modelers who actually will make the models. The only reason I am making the Cloud model is because someone posted a new Thread here about it and I thought it was a good Idea. If he had posted it in the request thread I would have never seen it because I never go there. I know you all are ganging up on us because you think we're trying to diss lucas forums or make a fight or something, but honestly I am trying to make the forums a better place for myself and you. And I believe that by making an actual forum for requests rather than one thread, it would better the forum for the requester and the modeler/skinner. I think that we should actually delete the current request thread and make an idea thread for modelers that are looking for Ideas. That would make more sense. Just my opinion guys. If you choose to ignore me like most people do then you won't be the first one to do it.

VampireHunterD
09-05-2002, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Midgit Yoda
Sure modelers looking for an idea might check it out but It still doesn't belong here. The Modeling forum is obviously for showing off your work and getting help with your work. I agree with D on this, I think it should be a new forum. SOmething like Modelling and Skinning Requests or something. From What I've seen no one goes there unless they despiratly want models made for them, or want to diss other people's ideas. I think it would actually get more attention from modelers if it was a different forum. Plus it would be more organized because you would just be reading like a 3 page Thread with Random Idea's going on. I mean, If I was a non-modeler wanting a model made, I would make a new thread for it because the request thread never gets response from modelers who actually will make the models. The only reason I am making the Cloud model is because someone posted a new Thread here about it and I thought it was a good Idea. If he had posted it in the request thread I would have never seen it because I never go there. I know you all are ganging up on us because you think we're trying to diss lucas forums or make a fight or something, but honestly I am trying to make the forums a better place for myself and you. And I believe that by making an actual forum for requests rather than one thread, it would better the forum for the requester and the modeler/skinner. I think that we should actually delete the current request thread and make an idea thread for modelers that are looking for Ideas. That would make more sense. Just my opinion guys. If you choose to ignore me like most people do then you won't be the first one to do it.

Well said Midgit Yoda. Well said indeed..:)

KMan
09-05-2002, 10:44 PM
I'm definatly in favor of that. But you guys would have to deal with the forum admins about getting that added. I'm not going to step into that one. They would probably want to make me a mod of that as well.

Midgit Yoda
09-05-2002, 10:57 PM
I would sure be glad to moderate it, if they'd have me heh. Heck I spend most of my waking life here anyway.

VampireHunterD
09-05-2002, 10:59 PM
I'm all for the idea of moderating it. I'd be happy to have the job
alongside Midgit Yoda. We can handle it. Count me in. :D

Jo
09-05-2002, 11:14 PM
i vote yes.....because i agree with migit yoda.....we ought to make an individual forum for requests..that way pple can request and modelers/skinners can get ideas from it to...but alas i guess this out to go into the




REQUEST FORUM!!!
if you read the migit yoda thread called 'request' you'll know it's another joke.
this is once again for all the uptight people!!!!

Andy867
09-06-2002, 01:46 AM
Actually Kman, I could take over that part, because you already carry a large load with the other forums.. plus I need to get my feet more wet.. they are just moist. But I alone wouldn't moderate it, if anything, if I had the power, I'd vote for someone like BradFu to help moderate the Request Forum. It could easily be divided into 3 separate categories of the Request Forum ( Mode, Skin, Map) That would also help clean up the other 2 forums as well. Simply put yet.. getting the ball rolling, I can try.

Well, i just sent word to my supervisor about this issue. Here's what it said:


Hey aristotle, there has been an interesting issue raised in the modeling forum.. would it be possible to create a new Forum called the Request Forum, which could then contain 3 request sub-forums. (Skin, Models, Maps), that way the 3 skin/model/map forums existing would e strictly for WIPs. I could moderate it, and I'd elect a user like BradFu to help, since KMAN already does so much.

So, the idea has been laid out before the supervisor/admins.. now to just get them to see what they can do

BradFu
09-06-2002, 02:02 AM
I would vote for a single forum rather than 3 seperate forums, I think the amount of requests wouldn't be too much for a single forum. If it became too much down the line, it could be expanded. While he wouldn't have to actively moderate the Request forum, KMan should definitely have the ability to move threads there (or the Reqeusts Forum moderator(s) should be able to move them FROM here, either way), because no doubt, many people will still post requests here and in skinning.

Deetox187
09-06-2002, 02:15 AM
A request forum is a good idea but IMO i do not think Midget Yoda or VampireHunterD should moderate it. You say you just want to make the forum better? then why when a request pops up in the wrong place you guys take the opportunity to make fun of the guy who posted it? is that making the forum better? i can understand you are sick of seeing stuff like that but you should act like an adult instead of flaming, that is the kind of attitude that makes for a good moderator.

Matariel
09-06-2002, 02:19 AM
sure the request forum would be a great idea, but i'll be damned if im gunna waste my time every day looking through all the other forums, and i doubt some of the other modellers out there would too....

i just go onto the modelling forum, nothin else, and if i see anything i like, i look at it....putting the request thread in another forum will certainly kill it

Nanodagiardino
09-06-2002, 07:01 AM
Sincerly, I like it the way it is! (and you should be glad to have it) Requests are for the most part an annoyance. The phrase "could someone please do xxx" sends shivers down my spine. Flame me for this one, but the forum idea is even worse...

Andy867
09-06-2002, 01:36 PM
Hey everyone, i just got done talking with Aristotle, one of the main administration guys, and he said the a new Request forum, with 3 sub-forums, can be created, and that the existing model, skin, and mapping forums will be made to be strictly WIP Forums. there will be announcement on the JKII.Net the day before the new request forum goes active, so everyone will have a heads up...

Most likely, I will be the Moderator of the Forum, and maybe Kman would do maybe part-time if its necessary, but he does so much, asking for him to moderate yet another Forum would be out of line.

With the existing Forums (mapping/MOd, skinning and model), they will all become STRICTLY WIP/Completed Forums. So only work that has visual progress with screenshots, and completed projects may be posted.. any request posts made will be moved to the request forum.

The New Request Forum will be composed of a Map/Mod Request Forum, a Skin Request Forum, and a Model Request Forum. The **OFFICIAL** Request threads will be moved appropriately, but you will also be able to make your own requests in the correct request forum.

Madjai
09-06-2002, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Andy867
With the existing Forums (mapping/MOd, skinning and model), they will all become STRICTLY WIP/Completed Forums. So only work that has visual progress with screenshots, and completed projects may be posted.. any request posts made will be moved to the request forum.

whoa wait a sec there bud, what about the noob modelers with questions? i like to help people and it keeps my knowledge of modeling sharp.

Twisted Vertex
09-06-2002, 06:34 PM
Keeps your memory sharp? ......ok old man..........lol. I agree with madaji.

Frumpus
09-06-2002, 06:40 PM
Madjal is right. The existing forum still NEEDS to allow questions concerning "how-to" model, and the like.

I still have alot to learn - and I'd still like an open "forum" for discussion on these topics.


Also, I think that we should KEEP the *Sticky* that points to the "new and improved" Request Forum, .. .. just so that is makes it simple for people browsing to hop over there and take a look.

. . .My two scents.. . . .






...fart and grape.

Midgit Yoda
09-06-2002, 07:27 PM
First of all, I am happy that the new forum is coming up. I also agree that help should still be here because that is a part of modeling and obviously we have no problem with that, but then again I can see to where that would belong in the request forum because they are requesting help. I have mixed emotions on that. Guess it's up to the moderators.

And now to take care of this matter with Deetox. I don't flame people. In the thread that guy made earlier I wasn't flaming at him, heck that's not even flaming man. Learn what flaming is before you accuse someone of doing it. I was directing that torward the moderators to show that the request forum doesn't work. I figured you guys would catch it. I don't know what D was aiming it at but I know what I was. And I appologized to that guy if I hurt his feelings because I really didn't mean to. I think I've acted pretty adult about this whole matter actually. I voiced my opinion on something and took the apropriate procedure to get it taken care of. If they had said no to my request, then I wouldn't have pissed and moaned about it. I would have just said, "okay just thought I'd say something". And yes believe it or not I am trying to help the forums because I spend a good amount of my time on the computer here and I post my work only here. I don't know how me saying I was trying to help the forum by asking them to do something about requests would have anything to do with my "flaming" someone but whatever floats your boat. I also would like to add that We shouldn't argue about stuff. I have no hard feelings torward anybody about this, opinions are like @ssholes, everybody's got one and some of em stink like all get out. Anyway, I wish that I coulda been a moderator but I also realize that there are a lot of people on these forums that hate me and D so I understand that I won't be one. I guess the only way I'll ever get to do something like that is to make my own (again). Good luck with the new forum guys!

Madjai
09-06-2002, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Midgit Yoda
First of all, I am happy that the new forum is coming up. I also agree that help should still be here because that is a part of modeling and obviously we have no problem with that, but then again I can see to where that would belong in the request forum because they are requesting help. I have mixed emotions on that. Guess it's up to the moderators.

requesting help is a lot different than requesting a model. ill never look at the request forum, so id prefer to help people out here, where i always am at and am always willing to help.

Midgit Yoda
09-06-2002, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Madjai


requesting help is a lot different than requesting a model. ill never look at the request forum, so id prefer to help people out here, where i always am at and am always willing to help.
I can understand you're reasoning, but then again you have to consider the fact that the Request forum is for Requesting Modeling. I could see where that would categorize the Model Requests and Modeling help Requests together but I really would prefer to have the Modeling requests in this forum. You know me always pointing out stuff that really makes no sense.

Madjai
09-06-2002, 08:03 PM
i have no idea what you just said, except "i can understand you're reasoning" and "I really would prefer to have the Modeling requests in this forum". the rest is just a tad bit incomprehensible.

Deetox187
09-06-2002, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Midgit Yoda
First of all, I am happy that the new forum is coming up. I also agree that help should still be here because that is a part of modeling and obviously we have no problem with that, but then again I can see to where that would belong in the request forum because they are requesting help. I have mixed emotions on that. Guess it's up to the moderators.

And now to take care of this matter with Deetox. I don't flame people. In the thread that guy made earlier I wasn't flaming at him, heck that's not even flaming man. Learn what flaming is before you accuse someone of doing it. I was directing that torward the moderators to show that the request forum doesn't work. I figured you guys would catch it. I don't know what D was aiming it at but I know what I was. And I appologized to that guy if I hurt his feelings because I really didn't mean to. I think I've acted pretty adult about this whole matter actually. I voiced my opinion on something and took the apropriate procedure to get it taken care of. If they had said no to my request, then I wouldn't have pissed and moaned about it. I would have just said, "okay just thought I'd say something". And yes believe it or not I am trying to help the forums because I spend a good amount of my time on the computer here and I post my work only here. I don't know how me saying I was trying to help the forum by asking them to do something about requests would have anything to do with my "flaming" someone but whatever floats your boat. I also would like to add that We shouldn't argue about stuff. I have no hard feelings torward anybody about this, opinions are like @ssholes, everybody's got one and some of em stink like all get out. Anyway, I wish that I coulda been a moderator but I also realize that there are a lot of people on these forums that hate me and D so I understand that I won't be one. I guess the only way I'll ever get to do something like that is to make my own (again). Good luck with the new forum guys!

Thats cool man, you are right you didn't really flame that guy, i didn't know your comments were directed at the moderators, i do apologize for not catching that. When i said flaming i was mostly referring to VampireHunterD's poem in that thread, he was making fun of the guy which in my book is the same as flaming. Anywho i don't hate you or D, arguing is pointless i just wanted to voice my opinion on what i saw.

Midgit Yoda
09-07-2002, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by Deetox187


Thats cool man, you are right you didn't really flame that guy, i didn't know your comments were directed at the moderators, i do apologize for not catching that. When i said flaming i was mostly referring to VampireHunterD's poem in that thread, he was making fun of the guy which in my book is the same as flaming. Anywho i don't hate you or D, arguing is pointless i just wanted to voice my opinion on what i saw.
Wow man, I'll have to say you're definitly one of the coolest guys on here Deetox. I thought you'd do like everyone else and gripe at me whenever I say anything like that to em. Man, I really am impressed at your maturity. Most of the people on here are like 12 or something (no offense). Do you have AOL Instant messenger? I'd like to talk with ya. PM me your SN if u have it.

Deetox187
09-07-2002, 01:28 AM
Heh i used to be pretty immature in my younger days, but i'm 26 now so i've got a few years of maturity under my belt.. i think i'm gettin good at it. ;)

As for AOL messenger i'm sorry i don't have that, i only use ICQ and email.

If you have ICQ my # is 28428275 and my email is deetox1900@hotmail.com, feel free to message me any time. :)

BradFu
09-07-2002, 01:17 PM
I think some valid points have been raised, and before setting in stone what is allowed here and there, we should discuss a little more.

One possibility is that instead of making a new Request forum(s), we could do something like Polycount and make a "Pimping" forum. The Skinning and Modelling forums could remain as they are, but allow open requests, and WIP or finished stuff can be shown in the Pimping thread

If the Request forum is the way we go, I still think we should do a single request forum rather than 3 sub forums. Having it all in one forum would make it much easier to hop in and have a look at the requests, and also easier for you to administrate. If the request traffic warranted it down the line, it could be split into more forums (though I really doubt the number of requests would ever warrant it).

Andy867
09-07-2002, 01:35 PM
I can see where its ok for new modelers to ask questions, but don't think that in the same question that you will be able to also make a request for a model, or your thread will be moved or closed on the leave of being deleted. But I don't see a problem with the posting questions in the existing forums. but any requests made outside the request forums will be moved, and if it continues, they shall be deleted, along with all posts inside the thread.

And about the sub-forums. they will help keep the threads organized so people are looking through page after page trying to find a skin request they made through all the map and model requests. why make a single forum when eventually it will come to three? it saves us and you guys the time. That way they are already there, and we won't have to worry about making yet more forums, etc.