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Pada-Wan
09-04-2002, 10:54 PM
100% has to be Plo Koon. What a horrible jedi. he even got captured along with cone head after dooku stopped his troops. how sad, how very sad...

ET Warrior
09-04-2002, 11:16 PM
Pada-wan wants to fight...yes.....mmmm.........

Seeya, Plo Koon was captured because him and Ki-Ad-Mundi (AKA "Cone head") were assaulting a droid control ship, extremely dangerous business, seeya. ;)

and i'm pretty sure you're joking.....if not..........die

Ratmjedi
09-04-2002, 11:53 PM
Whos's youre favorite Jedi Pada-Wan? Coleman Trebor? The Jedi that can't deflect a blaster shot?
Plo Koon at least is a tough guy that doesn't get killed easily. And what an original name Pada-Wan. That took you how long to pick? 10 minutes!:p
Like E T Warrior said,if you're messing than so are we if not then you better be carefull what you say!:mad:
:lsduel: :duel:

Pada-Wan
09-05-2002, 01:21 AM
im jking of course :) and i chose this name to be like obi-wan13(my master) and ur ava is scaring me! :)

Darth Damage
09-05-2002, 02:29 AM
the worst jedi has to be that crazy looking white girl that has that wierd shaolin shaved head in the front with a long braided pony tail. just wierd and annoying.

ET Warrior
09-05-2002, 09:28 AM
Well, she's not really a jedi, unless you take EU into account. You're reffering to Aurra sing, and she was a bounty hunter in episode 1.

Edit: And if you DO take EU into account, she never even reached the rank of padawan.....so she's not a jedi. :D

Taos
09-05-2002, 10:33 AM
RatmJedi said it......I think the worst jedi was Coleman Trebor.

Although I did like him and I was sad when he was killed. He got my vote because he couldn't deflect one simple blaster shot. :confused:.

leXX
09-05-2002, 01:53 PM
yeah, how in the hell did Coleman Trebor even make the rank of Jedi with such crappy skills?

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/colemantrebor/img/curve.jpg

I mean, look at him ffs, what was Lucas thinking? (I love you really Lucas :D)


Originally posted by Pada-Wan
im jking of course :) and i chose this name to be like obi-wan13(my master) and ur ava is scaring me! :)

hah, you think HIS is scarey! :evil2:

Ratmjedi
09-05-2002, 02:17 PM
I didn't mean to diss on him but I do like him. He's a cool Jedi and I hope you know I was messing around.
So my Avatar scares you?
Cool Good to know It scares you!:D
:duel: :lsduel:

AgentSmith
09-05-2002, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by leXX
hah, you think HIS is scarey!

Freaking holy bamboozles! Your avvie is scary leXX! :eek:

ckcsaber
09-05-2002, 02:44 PM
All jedi kickass. There is no "worst" jedi. While one guy might be as good deflecting blaster bolts he can be strong in another aspect of the force

leXX
09-05-2002, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith


Freaking holy bamboozles! Your avvie is scary leXX! :eek:

Yep, perhaps a little TOO scarey! hehe

I've changed it! ;)

AgentSmith
09-05-2002, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by leXX
Yep, perhaps a little TOO scarey! hehe

I've changed it! ;)

You didn't have to. I liked it. :D

Keiran Halcyon
09-05-2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Pada-wan wants to fight...yes.....mmmm.........

Seeya, Plo Koon was captured because him and Ki-Ad-Mundi (AKA "Cone head") were assaulting a droid control ship, extremely dangerous business, seeya. ;)



Are you sure it is before the great battle??

I can see Plo Koon and Ki-Adi igniting their saber in the geonosian arena's balcony. And a couple of jedi leading some troops to a control ship in the great batte after...

Keiran Halcyon
09-05-2002, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by leXX
yeah, how in the hell did Coleman Trebor even make the rank of Jedi with such crappy skills?

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/colemantrebor/img/curve.jpg



He is a Jedi Master, He is in the Council....

leXX
09-05-2002, 04:48 PM
hehe, I'm only playing with you guys! lol :P

No Jedi is a bad Jedi in my eyes :D

You didn't have to. I liked it.

I think it gave the wrong impression of me, but yeah, it's cool. ;)

Sivy
09-05-2002, 06:48 PM
the worst jedi in ep II is,


there a extra in the background at the battle of geonesis who you see for about two seconds, he running and then he gets shot, what a jedi he is!


btw leXX interesting av, was is it?

ET Warrior
09-05-2002, 10:02 PM
Just so you all don't get the wrong impression of master Jedi Trebor, not only is he on the jedi council, but he DID block two of Jangos blaster shots, he was simply caught off guard and jango is a very good shot, and his blasters shoot very fast.

leXX
09-06-2002, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by SivyB
btw leXX interesting av, was is it?

Her name is Chiana and she is a main character in a Sci fi TV series called Farscape. (http://www.scifi.com/farscape)

Or if you are talking about my old scarey one, then her name is Sirrya and she is part of the model pack GLM Aayla Secura. (http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=3310)


;)

Darth Damage
09-06-2002, 06:33 PM
ET warrior i wasnt talkin about aurra sing I know who she is, it is a white girl not milk white caucasian white. that description now that i look at it does really sound like her ;)

wassup
09-08-2002, 01:37 AM
umm lexx y does ur avatar look like the lady galadrial from the Lord of The Rings: The Fellowship of the Rings movie? You know, when she sees the ring in Frodo's hand...

Jedi Kyp Durron
09-09-2002, 09:08 PM
First of all the worst Jedi in Episode 2 was that one who fell off the ledge thing what that the guy with the really high arching nose?

And Wassup where do you get Lord of the Rings from in LeXX's avatar its form the Matrix.

ET Warrior
09-09-2002, 10:55 PM
Actually, her avvie was for some time galadriel, so of course she would look like her :rolleyes:

And secondly, we've already discussed coleman trebor, and why he is not a bad jedi, because he is a jedi master, seeya

leXX
09-10-2002, 07:13 AM
sorry for the confusion guys! my avvie was indeed Galadriel from LOTR! ;)

Holo-Sidious
09-10-2002, 09:02 AM
The worst Jedi Knight in Episode II was Kit Fisto (green with several more head tails than a Twi-Lek and had large black eyes). OK, we had some cool shots of him killing droids and using the Force to his advantage, but he is really pointless in my eyes. Well, all Jedi are pointless in my eyes because I think the best Star Wars characters ever are Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine and Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus (he was once a Jedi, but he makes an even better Sith), so my answer to this post should be:

All of them.

Even Yoda.

:holosid:

Norin Radd
09-10-2002, 10:26 AM
I would say the worst Jedi was the one who got shot off the balcony by Jango Fett in the Geonosis arena battle. He lost his concentration because he was so focused on Count Dooku. That was a fatal mistake.:D

ET Warrior
09-10-2002, 10:30 PM
nobody listens to me when i tell them that the jedi who got shot was coleman trebor, apparently....*sigh*


And here he is again folks, it's holo-sid......

gorganfloss
09-10-2002, 10:53 PM
The worst jedi would have to be Trebor. Since its already been explained, I have no explanation.:p

Count Tyranus
09-11-2002, 12:18 PM
The Jedi shot by Jango Fett (while Count Dooku looked on: lazy old man...) was that ugly-looking Trebor. I agree: to be shot by a worthless bounty hunter when you are a powerful Jedi Knight is quite stupid.

ET Warrior, what do you mean: "and here he is again folks, it's holo-sid......"? I've always been here, dammit! The reason this post is as Count Tyranus, however, is because I found a nice little picture of Dooku and wanted to use it as an avatar. A picture of Count Dooku under the name "Holo-Sidious" would be silly...

Now, usually I would include a 'smilie' here, but LucasForums don't seem to have a 'smilie' of Count Dooku! How can that be? He deserves a decent picture!!!

Norin Radd
09-11-2002, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
nobody listens to me when i tell them that the jedi who got shot was coleman trebor, apparently....*sigh*





I listen to you, ET. I. . .um. . .what did you say?:D

Deetox187
09-11-2002, 10:08 PM
Can't say Trebor didn't have balls though, he was the only Jedi to go up there and try to take out Dooku.

Count Tyranus
09-12-2002, 09:40 AM
Yes, and he died trying because no-one is stupid enough to take on Count Dooku. Look at the evidence:

1: Trebor. Died.
2: Anakin. Lightning.
3: Obi-Wan. Arm and leg slices.
4: Anakin again. Arm chopped off.
5: Yoda. If the fight continued after Dooku crushed Obi-Wan and Anakin, I think that Yoda would have been seriously wounded, if not destroyed.

Face it: Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus id the most powerful character from AOTC (maybe even from the whole Star Wars series) and even the mighty Master Yoda could not defeat him!

COUNT DOOKU/DARTH TYRANUS RULES!

Deetox187
09-12-2002, 11:08 AM
lol gimme a break, the only reason Trebor didn't chop Dooku in half was because his big bad bodyguard Jango saved his ass. (If hes so tough why does he need a bodyguard?) I admit he whooped Obi-Wan and Anakin but he was on the defensive the entire fight with Yoda. Neither really had much of an advantage over the other but if one did it was Yoda not Dooku. Lets not forget it was Dooku who pussied out of the fight when he made the pillar fall towards the injured Jedi.. he did that because he knew Yoda was about to lay the smack down.

Count Tyranus
09-12-2002, 12:28 PM
Dooku wasn't defeated by Trebor because of Jango (fair enough), but it was only because Jango saw an enemy and attacked. If Jango wasn't there, Dooku would of defended himself and sliced that big ugly green Jedi in half. Also, Dooku wasn't on the defensive while fighting Yoda. Remember Yoda's own words:

"A Jedi always uses the Force for defence. Never attack."

This means either Yoda was defending himself against Dooku or he is the biggest hypocrite in the galaxy! Granted, Yoda is amazing, but Count Dooku was equally amazing in all his duels. Also bear in mind that Yoda came into that fight fresh: Dooku had just fought two very experianced and powerful Jedi. Plus, Dooku didn't send that large pillar down to end the duel: his plan all along was escape. He used it as a distraction (also hoping to remove the two Jedi in the process) so he could carry out his orders.

Yoda: Good.
Obi-Wan: Good.
Anakin: Good.
Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus: Amazingly, skillfully powerful.

AgentSmith
09-12-2002, 05:02 PM
I respect the fact that you're a fan of Dooku/Tyranus but it's obvious and the intent of Lucas to show and integral part of the story that Dooku himself is no match for Master Yoda.

Master Yoda was about to finish or Dooku and Dooku had the pillar crahsing down towards Obi-Wan and Anakin knowing Matser Yoda would choose to save them, hence Dooku could escape before falling victim to Master Yoda.

(Such was crystal clear in the cut parts of the AOTC battle sequence and in the comic book adaptation and novel.)

ET Warrior
09-12-2002, 08:38 PM
I agree, Dooku ran because Yoda was going to mess him up. Quite obviously so. And then the part where their blades are locked and Yoda says "Fought well you have, my old padawan" It's obvious that Yoda was prepared to finish it, which is why dooku got the slightly panicked look on his face and dropped a pillar on obi and anakin.

Deetox187
09-12-2002, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Count Tyranus
Dooku wasn't defeated by Trebor because of Jango (fair enough), but it was only because Jango saw an enemy and attacked. If Jango wasn't there, Dooku would of defended himself and sliced that big ugly green Jedi in half.

Not true at all, Trebor already had his saber ignited while Dooku was just standing there. If Jango didn't save him there was NO time for Dooku to defend himself, he was mincemeat.

Also, Dooku wasn't on the defensive while fighting Yoda. Remember Yoda's own words:

"A Jedi always uses the Force for defence. Never attack."

This means either Yoda was defending himself against Dooku or he is the biggest hypocrite in the galaxy!

This i agree with you on, Yoda IS the biggest hypocrit in the galaxy for saying that (actually Lucas is). Think about it, when have you ever seen a Jedi use only defense in a fight? look at Obi Wan, Qui Gon, Anakin, Windu, Yoda etc.. They ALL attacked their opponents in an offensive fashion, i have no idea why George Lucas would allow such a contradiction but he did.

Sivy
09-12-2002, 09:18 PM
"A Jedi always uses the Force for defence. Never attack."
when does yoda say this, i can't remember it.

anyway, the way i look at it is that just because they make the first move doesn't mean it's not in defence, i suppose it the way you define it.
the whole reason maul was at the naboo hanger was to confront obi-wan and qui-gonn, therefore taking aggressive stance. he went looking for them, not the other way round.
At the battle of geneosis (spelling?) Mace simply held his lightsaber at jango asking for obi & anakin to be set free. so he wasn't attacking first.

it's all about point of view (like obi-wan said to luke)
a jedi's definition of "A Jedi always uses the Force for defence. Never attack." may be different than say karate where that would simply mean that you don't hit first.
Also remember that a jedi has senses, so he/she would be able to sense the aggression in their opponent.

that's the way i see it, so imho it isn't a contradiction

Deetox187
09-12-2002, 10:18 PM
I believe it was in ESB Yoda said that.. but after thinking about it a bit more i've changed my mind. He says "the force" is never used for attack, which is actually quite true. I can't remember seeing a Jedi use the force to attack an enemy, only their lightsabers.

so yeah i was wrong, sorry. :)

ET Warrior
09-13-2002, 12:05 AM
And, it also depends on the way you are looking at defending. I think the purpose of the force is to defend the innocent. If you must attack an evil foe to defend the innocent, then you are still using the force for defense....That's the way that i see it though.

Jedi_Monk
09-13-2002, 01:30 AM
I agree with ET Warrior; Yoda was using the Force to defend Obi-Wan and Anakin (both of whom would've been slashed up into a lot of little pieces if the Green One hadn't showed up in time), and was therefore well within the restraits of Jedi philosophy.

Coleman Trebor reminds me of... me in a Wheel of Time citadel match. The goal is to infiltrate the other team's citadel and steal their two Seals. They have a bunch of traps set up and always have a guard or two ready to "blast you into oblivion". So all you can do is gather up as many weapons and shields as you can and make The Run. You don't concentrate on the enemies and just try to get past the traps as fast as possible... you just keep your eyes on the Seals and go for them! You'll probably die, but you have to try. That's what Trebor was doing--to kill Dooku meant a quick end to the battle, so he risked it all, jumped up there to take out Dooku alone--and got hammered.

He's probably one of the bravest Jedi in the Battle of Geonosis, for what that's worth.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Taos
09-13-2002, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk
He's probably one of the bravest Jedi in the Battle of Geonosis, for what that's worth.


Yeah, but unfortunatly death is what usually happens to those who are brave or try to be hero's......

If he could have killed Dooku, it would have a drastic effect on the out come of things.....

Of course we already know what that is..........:deathstar.

Count Tyranus
09-14-2002, 07:26 AM
I agree: the comic strip, novelisation and (some parts of) the film are made to make Count Dooku look like he is loosing the duel against Yoda, however Dooku's plan was escape all along. He intended to get away from Geonosis from the beginning of that battle (along with his Super-Weapon plans), so to say that Dooku ran away from Yoda is unfair. True, Dooku realised that if Yoda had defeated him then the Death Star plans would have been stranded on Geonosis, and this may have lead to Dooku using a more defensive posture, but he never simply ran away from the Master Jedi to protect himself. Everyone in that duel had responsabilities: Dooku to the Death Star plans and his Master, Obi-Wan to his Padawan, Anakin to Padme and his Master and Yoda to the fallen Jedi.

To say that Trebor would have killed Count Dooku in the Geonosian VIP Box is wrong. Look carefully: Dooku has one hand on his lightsaber. Remember back to ROTJ, when Darth Vader swings at Luke ("You are unwise to lower your defenses!") and the young Jedi only needs half-a-second to ignite his lightsaber and block the blow. Dooku would have had no problem in defeating Trebor. Thanks to Jango Fett, however, we are left waiting another twenty minutes to see the Sith Lord in action...

Deetox187
09-14-2002, 09:43 AM
Look closely? kind of ironic for you to say that cause Dooku's hand was not on his lightsaber in that scene. All he did was pull his cape back to uncover the saber, he did not have time to grab it, ignite it and block Trebors attack. :rolleyes:

And its too bad Lucas didn't stick with the original fight he had planned for Yoda and Dooku because if he did you'd have nothing to argue about. Can't remember all the details but Yoda was supposed to jump on Dooku's head and was about to stab downwards into his skull when Dooku made the pillar fall, distracting Yoda from delivering the final blow.. something like that, maybe someone else who knows more about it can back me up.

Count Tyranus
09-14-2002, 10:49 AM
In the original fight sequence (which will be included on the DVD, due out November), Count Dooku is being forced back by Yoda. Dooku uses the Force to grab Obi-Wan's blue lightsaber and he uses two blades to fend off the Jedi Master. Yoda, however, evens things up by knocking Dooku's red-bladed Rapier out of his hand, leaving Dooku with one normal lightsaber. Yoda then leaps through the air and strikes down on Dooku knocking the Sith Lord to the floor. Yoda stands in front of Dooku, his green blade positioned just underneath his chin. Dooku then crashes the pillar, escapes and flies to Courscant.

There are two reasons why George Lucas left this version from the film. One: This version means Dooku was defeated by Yoda, and George wanted to be fair: although Yoda is the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, it is a tiny bit unbelievable that a six-foot human can be overcome by a two-foot imp (George said this, not me). Two: According to several websites, Count Dooku will kill Mace Windu in Episode III. Now, if Dooku can be easily defeated by the greatest Jedi but easily kill the second-greatest Jedi, this means he should have had a better chance against Yoda (which he does in the final version of Episode II). The second reason is just rumour, but does explain why Dooku wasn't defeated by Yoda.

Come on, guys, give Count Dooku a break! He is a great villain, a powerful adversary and a master swordsman!

Deetox187
09-14-2002, 11:41 AM
lol boy did i get that wrong, swore i read Yoda jumped on his head. At any rate i definetly can't wait to see that scene, it sounds much better than what they ended up using.

Sarlacc Food
09-17-2002, 03:00 PM
HE DONT SUCK!!!! the Mandalorians are the BEST warriors EVER!!!! to bad all was killed by dooku & his f****** jedis!!!!!!!!!

i dont understand why Jango dont kill dooku... Dooku killed all of Jangos kind (mandalorians).. only Jango escaped... :) :fett: :fett: :fett: :fett: :fett: :fett: :fett: :fett:
MY MANDALORIAN ARMY!!!!!

Taos
09-17-2002, 10:23 PM
I'm not gonna be happy if it's Dooku that kills Mace.....:mad:

Hell........I'm not gonna be happy when anybody kills Mace. :(

Windu better show his true power in Ep III!!! :D

ET Warrior
09-18-2002, 12:01 AM
I'm pretty sure with no Jango, Dooku would've died at Trebor's Hands. His saber was ignited and in a striking pose. Dooku did not have his hand on his saber nor did he have time to bring it up and block.

.:Silver:.
09-19-2002, 12:56 AM
Worst Jedi in Ep.2 has to be the Librarian. Sheesh I could whoop her butt.:elephant: