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<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-06-2002, 03:55 PM
:fett: Who really playes single player?? I do.... well not any more :p heh heh heh.(multiplayer rulz) But if u do, then why the f*** do thosa storm troopers have suck crappy aim. The officers dont seem to have a problem at hittining you (orat least shooting in the area where u can deflect it :D ). but its not jus this hame where they suck at shooting. In the movies (Episode4-6[new hope and so on]) they also have such crappy aim, ut in the prequiles the clonetroopers(wich i think are storm trooper) they kick ass. WTF. anyways i pretty much jus wanted to start a post and i couldn't think of **** so this popped up. Lets see your opinion on this wheather or not they jus suck, or its a problem with the eyes. :fett:

FatalStrike
09-06-2002, 04:03 PM
Well in the movies they have no problem shooting characters that really don't matter. You know what I'm talking about those dude that get film credits like this "Rebel #17" But when they have to shoot a lead character they seem to forget how to aim. I think its just part of movie magic, because if you had storm troopers that could aim fighting for the bad guys the rebels would of gotten their asses handed to them very quickly.

By the way whats up with rebels getting on a emperial ship that has thousands of troops on board but only being chased by maybe a dozen. Do you think if Osam bin Laden went onto a Aircraft carrier the captian/admiral would send 6 dudes to get him? Hells no!! I think if they made JKII more like a Metal Gear in the sense that if you didn't kill them right away you got screwed the single player would be a hell of a lot more fun.

Just my opinion you are more then welcome to prove me wrong.

TheMadDoofer
09-06-2002, 04:25 PM
The stormies aren't all that bad on Jedi Master, though.

ZBomber
09-06-2002, 04:49 PM
Its taht the guns are innactuarte, right? When we shoot um, its also hard to hit people.

Guardian Omega
09-06-2002, 06:23 PM
Buddy, spawn a trooper and a rebel soldier. Use notarget. See their aim.........

PURE ****!

Psionic Jedi
09-06-2002, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
Its taht the guns are innactuarte, right? When we shoot um, its also hard to hit people.

Yeah the Imp Officers and Workers are using blaster pistols similar to the Bryar Pistol, so they are alot more accurate than the E11.

Maybe cause those huge helmets limit trooper vision o.O

Anyways you don't need super aim to fire a Flechette, as those high troopers do in Bespin :O.

Kurgan
09-06-2002, 10:48 PM
Sure, the troopers aren't very smart, but I think it has more to do with the guns they use. Ever try to use one of those Blaster Rifles in SP? Utter crap for aim and damage against troopers.

Now check out the one in MP.... now there's a decent weapon.

Go figure!

According to the EU, Stormtroopers have elite training (and/or are specially bred clones) so I doubt its a genetic problem. Their helmets are supposed to have computer systems and HUDs so that shouldn't be it either. I guess for gameplay purposes, the Raven devs felt that making the ST Rifle crappier for SP would make it more challenging and movie-like (I guess).

Chewie Bakker
09-07-2002, 11:05 AM
I've noticed that on the Tantive IV the stormtroopers shot with much higher accuracy. Darth Vader was with them then. Perhaps they decided to aim otherwise Vader would Force-grip them to death.

Well, either that or they normally slack-off but couldn't because the boss was there...

:trooper: "Hey! You there!"

<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-07-2002, 01:34 PM
:fett: WTF?? the blasters that stormtroopers use suck?!? What are u talkin aboot (CANADIAN heh heh heh)! Those rifles are all i used when i didnt have the saber! Except for long shots cuz then it sucked. I would enter a room with tons of Storm Troopers and jus shot them all in the head one shot. Enter a roon with 10 storm troopers and fire like maybe 13 shots (i missed... damn alchool.) ya so i think its cuz they were engineered wrong i say well wateva. :fett:

CenturiOn
09-07-2002, 04:27 PM
lol

im so crap in single player

im only in the mine eheh

when you go out of a control room and 20 stormies run in

killed 18 of them

while shooting the one in front that i thought was the last,the other stormtrooper ran up behind and shot me in te back

...hmmm grrr next time they wont be so lucky!!!

<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-07-2002, 04:32 PM
:fett: hmmm at that part jus leave trip mines at the entrance where they get out :fett:

Redwing
09-07-2002, 07:27 PM
1) In ANH the stormies on the Death Star miss everybody because they were under orders to let everyone escape.

2) In ESB the stormies were also supposed to let Luke's friends escape, so they could save him.

3) In RotJ the stormies were overconfident and got their asses kicked by teddy bears (and a stolen AT-ST, but still)

Result:

Raven decides to make stormtrooper AI crap because "stormtroopers miss in the movies". Is there much logic to that? NO. But it doesn't matter, because Raven thought it would be cool (just like how they decided sabers shouldn't cast shadows).

:rolleyes:

Darth Vitruvio
09-07-2002, 07:33 PM
The reason why storm troopers and most antagonists can't hit squat with a blaster is because of one simple movie rule: "Bad guys have bad aim." No matter how many storm troopers or rotten bounty hunters shoot one guy, even at point blank range, they'll miss unless the director or the story calls for a hit. A great example of "Bad guys have bad aim" is the scene in Special Edition: A New Hope where Greedo confronts Han Solo in the cantina and tries to shoot him in the head. Greedo missed a few inches from Solo's head at point blank range! How is that really possible? Well, either Han Solo has Jedi reflexes or Greedo just plain sucks with a blaster. I guess Solo got lucky! So you see "Bad guys have bad aim" does apply to this situation unless you count in the exception like Rebel soldiers because those guys were just made to die. Another good example would be the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi! How many of those little guys died in the battle compared to storm troopers? Not many, because storm troopers had bad aim especially in the hover bike scenes with the scout troopers! So, anyway I hope the "Bad guys have bad aim" movie rule came in handy in explaining this subject.


-Vitruvio

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Darth Vicious
09-07-2002, 07:48 PM
Simple.

Star Wars: ANH
Luke - "I can't see a thing in this helmet!"

Star Wars: Jedi Outcast
Disgruntled_stormtrooper_00 - "How about you get into this armor and try to see outta this damn helmet!"

Jedi Spy
09-07-2002, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by FatalStrike

By the way whats up with rebels getting on a emperial ship that has thousands of troops on board but only being chased by maybe a dozen. Do you think if Osam bin Laden went onto a Aircraft carrier the captian/admiral would send 6 dudes to get him? Hells no!! I think if they made JKII more like a Metal Gear in the sense that if you didn't kill them right away you got screwed the single player would be a hell of a lot more fun.

Just my opinion you are more then welcome to prove me wrong.

Well that is a good idea however i think sp jk2 is fun because its very cinematic - u can sneak past the storm troopers but that just wouldnt be very much fun :) and how much fun would the starwars films be if they didnt have a laser battle or two? :p

<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-07-2002, 11:33 PM
:fett: I find that in the new star wars film (the prequles) they dont have much space shootin and laser fights. Whats up with that? It is called STAR WARS aint it. Although there are more lightsaber fights that are completly of the wall! :fett:

JKR_LT_DODGE
09-08-2002, 12:00 AM
i know they have crappy aim but its fun killing at least...

Deetox187
09-08-2002, 02:26 AM
Whats really funny is in Ep4 when Obi-Wan and Luke find the wrecked Sandcrawler Obi-Wan says "only imperial stormtoopers could be so precise"

ya right. :rolleyes:

<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-08-2002, 02:41 AM
:fett: HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA. Yaknow wat, you're absolutly right! maheheheheh Percise HA :bluflag2:

<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-10-2002, 05:22 PM
Alot of topics are being moved i thought, Shouldn't this be one?? Im not askin but its jus that u guys r so strickt its funny that u havent already heh heh heh!

SPY_jmr1
09-10-2002, 05:36 PM
it started off as a topic about jkii guns.

it changed, its geting swamped.

I just frankly had not read it, and did not know to move it.

<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-10-2002, 05:39 PM
WATEVER!......... realy???? About jkii guns??? Thats not what i intended! It was if they were defects or not.

Kissamies
09-10-2002, 08:54 PM
Its true that Stormtroopers are considered to be elite troops according to EU. However, I suspect that in this case 'elite' means that they are supposed to be fanatically loyal and fearless. Most of their training could actually be indoctrination.

Just being a no life SW apologist here :D

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
09-10-2002, 09:06 PM
Think about it though. Most Stormtroopers weren't exactly wanting to just jump up and say hey me I wanna be a storm trooper. The Empire forced alot of the stormies into action. So maybe the stormtroopers wanted the rebels to win so they could be free. Just a though. ;)

XERXES
09-10-2002, 10:55 PM
its both

obi
09-10-2002, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Kissamies
Its true that Stormtroopers are considered to be elite troops according to EU.


Originally posted by Kissamies
Stormtroopers are considered to be elite troops according to EU.



Originally posted by Kissamies
elite troops according to EU.



Originally posted by Kissamies
according to EU.


No further questions, your honor. ;)

Kissamies
09-11-2002, 09:56 AM
Ah, another PLZBEUSINGCANONONLYKTHX type of person. If something is in EU, it doesn't mean that its automatically against canon. Where in the movies does it say that stormtroopers are not considered elite troops?

Kstar__2
09-11-2002, 11:35 AM
how can i trust you, with that sig?
j/k:D

i think it is becouse of the helmet, becouse the stormy blaster is been known as a verry precise weapon

Darklighter
09-11-2002, 11:43 AM
You know this Stormtrooper aim/eyesight deal was an issue in the movies as well...they couldn't shoot a thing! They may have well just taken off their gear and worn uniforms, probably would kill more people...:D

Darth-Nasty
09-11-2002, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Psionic Jedi

Maybe cause those huge helmets limit trooper vision o.O


why do they even wear helmets?

they dont exactly protect against blaster fire or lightsabers
(maybe against hitting your head on a door tho):)

Darklighter
09-11-2002, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Darth-Nasty


why do they even wear helmets?

they dont exactly protect against blaster fire or lightsabers
(maybe against hitting your head on a door tho):)

And they hit their head on the door cos they can't see anything through that damn helmet...it's a puzzling paradox huh?:Dlol

Kissamies
09-11-2002, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by kstar__2
how can i trust you, with that sig?
j/k:D

i think it is becouse of the helmet, becouse the stormy blaster is been known as a verry precise weapon
Heh, where did you get the notion that you should trust me? :D

This might shed some light on the matter: http://al.jediknightii.net/dcm/misc/stm.gif

Darth-Nasty
09-11-2002, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Darklighter


And they hit their head on the door cos they can't see anything through that damn helmet...it's a puzzling paradox huh?:Dlol

hmm yes

if they dont wear the helmet they increase their vision and reduce the chance of walking into things. however if they were to hit their head they would be killed instantly. However the helmets which protect against this cause them to hit their head against more things which will eventually kill them anyway.

The empire's clothing department has clearly had some difficult decisions to make about stormtrooper uniform.:)

C'jais
09-11-2002, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Kissamies

Heh, where did you get the notion that you should trust me? :D

This might shed some light on the matter: http://al.jediknightii.net/dcm/misc/stm.gif

:lol: :rofl: :lol:

Keep in mind that the stormies in ep4 and 5 weren't supposed to hit our heroes... just make them flee so they could track them.

obi
09-11-2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Kissamies
Ah, another PLZBEUSINGCANONONLYKTHX type of person. If something is in EU, it doesn't mean that its automatically against canon. Where in the movies does it say that stormtroopers are not considered elite troops?

no need to get all pissy!


sheesh. ;)

And yes, I am a PLZBEUSINGCANONONLYKTHX person. ;)

I don't like 80 clones of the emporer, or force-eating lizards. Sorry for my opinion. ;)

<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-11-2002, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Darklighter
You know this Stormtrooper aim/eyesight deal was an issue in the movies as well...they couldn't shoot a thing! They may have well just taken off their gear and worn uniforms, probably would kill more people...:D

If they took all their gear off theyd all look the same! Have u seen attack of the CLONES!! CLONES says it all. If we had a bunch of people that looked the same running around shootin, i dont know about u but id get freaked out! I got freaked out in AotC(attack of the clones) when I saw all those jango_fett lookin clone troopers. I hope i never see that part again! Millions of jangos! creap me OUT! i geuss thats what the stormies look like too.





Or maybe im wrong about the whole thing
















<not Bloody likely!

Kissamies
09-11-2002, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
I don't like 80 clones of the emporer, or force-eating lizards. Sorry for my opinion. ;)
I perfer those to armies of cute teddy bears and goofy gungans, but that's just me ;)

Not to get pissy or anything, but I dislike the canonist "I declare you null and void since you dared to mention EU" attitude. I am a PLZBEUSINGEUTOOKTHXBIBI person, after all ;)

Redwing
09-12-2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13

No further questions, your honor. ;)

"Only Imperial stormtroopers could be so precise."

By the way, I just saw part of the infamous Ewok battle from RotJ again a couple days ago. It was sooooo badly done. The stormtroopers just fell after being touched by anything Ewok-held or -thrown. As if they'd been tranquilized. Now that's some bad acting (and choreographing) there. ^.^

But in ANH and ESB, the stormtroopers were under orders to miss! Why does no one EVER catch that, when it's shoved in your face in ANH and implied in ESB?

Darth-Nasty
09-12-2002, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by Redwing


"Only Imperial stormtroopers could be so precise."


whats ridiculous about that is that he says the tusken raiders are innaccurate

however several years earlier he saw them sniping 500mph pod racers from huge distances:confused:
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<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
09-12-2002, 07:57 AM
To answer an earlier post. One reason why stormtroopers wear helmets is because they aren't considored people anymore. That's also why they are numbered. Because they are just soldiers. The empire wants them to be like robots. Mindless drones who only act when the empire tells them to. It's all part of the brain washing. But then again I could be wrong. I'd really like to know what you all think about that. :D

ZBomber
09-12-2002, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by jessman233
To answer an earlier post. One reason why stormtroopers wear helmets is because they aren't considored people anymore. That's also why they are numbered. Because they are just soldiers. The empire wants them to be like robots. Mindless drones who only act when the empire tells them to. It's all part of the brain washing. But then again I could be wrong. I'd really like to know what you all think about that. :D

What happens when they rebel. :eek: Don't you think they would start shooting the empeor and stuff if they were trying to brainwashed them?

ANyway, I still say its the blaster they use that makes um inacurate. HELLO PEOPLE! It even says it in the instruction book!

Deetox187
09-12-2002, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by Darth-Nasty


whats ridiculous about that is that he says the tusken raiders are innaccurate

however several years earlier he saw them sniping 500mph pod racers from huge distances:confused:


Obi-Wan didn't watch the pod race, he was babysitting the ship while that was going on.

Darth-Nasty
09-12-2002, 09:52 AM
oh yeah i knew that:rolleyes:

ok you have a valid point there

i still reckon someone would have told him bou the race afterwards:)
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ZBomber
09-12-2002, 10:28 AM
Nasty, how do you get a pic in your sig. I had one, but know its just a link. :(

Darth-Nasty
09-12-2002, 10:35 AM
its cos its not really a sig

its actually a part of the message

the rules here make no sense

your arnt allowed a picture in your sig but you are allowed as many pictures in your message as you want

a sig is just something added at the bottom of your message

so i just paste my sig into my message myself and i can have what i want in it:)
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Deetox187
09-12-2002, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Darth-Nasty
oh yeah i knew that:rolleyes:

ok you have a valid point there

i still reckon someone would have told him bou the race afterwards:)


Who knows maybe he had a live video feed to the ship. :)

Reb Starblazer
09-12-2002, 11:42 AM
First thing I thought when I saw this topic was "Well, someone's been watching Undergrads...":D


Second, accuracy and precision are not the same thing. Precision means to hit around where you're trying to hit. In ep4, it appears that the stormtroopers were trying to take out the treads on the Sandcrawler, to keep it from moving. Accuracy, is hitting the same spot, or within a certain area, over and over. There was probably a platoon of StormTroopers, all shooting at the SandCrawler, one of them is bound to hit the tread. Besides, I don't think even a Stormtrooper could miss a Sandcrawler, that things frickin' huge!

The reason for the helmets is the same reason for the armour. So that they all look the same. A huge, faceless, indeterminably different army. You kill one, one that looks EXACTLY like it takes it's place. As for the Clonetroopers versus the Stormtroopers, the CloneTrooper's often used metallic ammo, like the Imperial Repeater, because blaster weapons are "harder to aim due to the inherent instability of plasma bolts". As for the armour, the CloneTroopers have better armour than the StormTroopers. CloneTroopers armour has less mobility, and is very uncomfortable, but is strong and can actually withstand damage. StormTrooper armour was changed to make it more mobile, comfortable, but at a cost of less protection. Not like a StormTrooper or two matter anyway, Palpy boy's got plenty.

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
09-12-2002, 12:12 PM
Thank you Reb... You made my exact point. But better then me. ;)

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
09-12-2002, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber


What happens when they rebel. :eek: Don't you think they would start shooting the empeor and stuff if they were trying to brainwashed them?

ANyway, I still say its the blaster they use that makes um inacurate. HELLO PEOPLE! It even says it in the instruction book!

Well, most brainwashing is quite subtle. And I'm not saying that they were brainwashed. Most of them were just recruited. And if they didn't do their job, they themselves were killed or possibly a close friend or family member. The Imperials makes all types of threats to keep their army in line. Weird bunch eh? lol ;)

<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-12-2002, 03:39 PM
CORRECT Jessman
But they're not brainwashed..... They're CLONES.
They are my BITHCES! :D

<|DLS|>Darth Fett
09-12-2002, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Reb Starblazer
First thing I thought when I saw this topic was "Well, someone's been watching Undergrads...":D



You are exactly right Reb! I got this started by watchin underGRADS!! u so smart :D ! My next one will be about yoda wheather he sounds kinda like miss piggy or sumthin else! :D
Finaly someone figured it out. :D :D :D :D :D











Gimpy rulz!

Redwing
09-15-2002, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by Reb Starblazer
First thing I thought when I saw this topic was "Well, someone's been watching Undergrads...":D


Second, accuracy and precision are not the same thing. Precision means to hit around where you're trying to hit. In ep4, it appears that the stormtroopers were trying to take out the treads on the Sandcrawler, to keep it from moving. Accuracy, is hitting the same spot, or within a certain area, over and over. There was probably a platoon of StormTroopers, all shooting at the SandCrawler, one of them is bound to hit the tread. Besides, I don't think even a Stormtrooper could miss a Sandcrawler, that things frickin' huge!

The reason for the helmets is the same reason for the armour. So that they all look the same. A huge, faceless, indeterminably different army. You kill one, one that looks EXACTLY like it takes it's place. As for the Clonetroopers versus the Stormtroopers, the CloneTrooper's often used metallic ammo, like the Imperial Repeater, because blaster weapons are "harder to aim due to the inherent instability of plasma bolts". As for the armour, the CloneTroopers have better armour than the StormTroopers. CloneTroopers armour has less mobility, and is very uncomfortable, but is strong and can actually withstand damage. StormTrooper armour was changed to make it more mobile, comfortable, but at a cost of less protection. Not like a StormTrooper or two matter anyway, Palpy boy's got plenty.

Actually, you have that reversed. :D Accuracy is actually hitting what you're trying to hit. Precision is hitting in the same place consistently. For example: If a stormtrooper shot at Luke three times, and those shots hit in the same place, those shots would be very precise, even if they completely missed him.

Perhaps then, Tuskens would have shot up the entire Sandcrawler, but the Imperials shot up only the treads, showing precision.