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Darth Knight
09-11-2002, 09:02 PM
Do you agree with the Pledge of Alegiance and do you think it should be taken out of public school system

Darth Knight
09-11-2002, 09:05 PM
oh sorry it is kind of confusing, vote yes if you want it to stay vote no if you wnat it taken out of school system

NerfYoda
09-11-2002, 09:07 PM
Reciting the Pledge of Allegience every day in school until you're 11 will not breed love for your country. It's nationalistic indoctrination & should be taken out.

Darth-Nasty
09-11-2002, 09:09 PM
im english but i definatly wouldnt like it if we were made to pledge alegiance to the royal family or the government while in school

something about it seems a bit facist or a bit dictatorish
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Sivy
09-11-2002, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by NerfYoda
Reciting the Pledge of Allegience every day in school until you're 11

is that true? my god, i from the uk and we don't do anything like that

Tyrion
09-11-2002, 09:11 PM
Heck I'm doing it and I'll be 12 soon..in the U.S.A. though...

Darth Knight
09-11-2002, 09:13 PM
i do not think it is wrong...i think it is showing patriatism...on the same token i can see where people would disagree with it about the "god" part and everything

NerfYoda
09-11-2002, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by SivyB


is that true? my god, i from the uk and we don't do anything like that

Yeah we didnt really stop reciting it around where we were until I was in 7th or 8th grade or so. Hey at least I can recite the Pledge from memory now though. :)

Darth Knight
09-11-2002, 09:17 PM
i am in 10th gtade and we do it everyday

Sivy
09-11-2002, 09:19 PM
i don't even know the words to our national anthem, i don't think that half of england know it either.

NerfYoda
09-11-2002, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by Darth Knight
i do not think it is wrong...i think it is showing patriatism...

How? By memorizing two or three sentances by heart & repeating them over and over again? If you want to show how great this country is then work in a shelter, join the peace core, the army reserves, do something. Actions always speak louder than words. Don't lose yourself in nonsensical rhetoric.

obi
09-11-2002, 09:25 PM
Well, the pledge is a sign of honor for our country. AND, it is also optional that you don't have to say it.



So, I think it's ok in the schools. ;)

Darth Knight
09-11-2002, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by NerfYoda


How? By memorizing two or three sentances by heart & repeating them over and over again? If you want to show how great this country is then work in a shelter, join the peace core, the army reserves, do something. Actions always speak louder than words. Don't lose yourself in nonsensical rhetoric.

i am actually in ROTC right now and planing on joining the army

Absurd
09-11-2002, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
Well, the pledge is a sign of honor for our country. AND, it is also optional that you don't have to say it.



So, I think it's ok in the schools. ;)

Being the rebel back then ... I refused to say it in 7th and 8th grade and would just sit down.

Teacher's lectured me but I said it's a part of my free speech to not have to speak. They couldn't argue with that. :)

NerfYoda
09-11-2002, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Darth Knight


i am actually in ROTC right now and planing on joining the army

Oh well there ya go then. :)

Darth Knight
09-11-2002, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by Absurd


Being the rebel back then ... I refused to say it in 7th and 8th grade and would just sit down.


it sadens me that you did that, it takes all of 30 seconds, but it is your choice so i can't argue with that either

gorganfloss
09-11-2002, 09:45 PM
I said Nay because of the part about god, and I dont believe in god.

OnlyOneCanoli
09-11-2002, 09:56 PM
I went with a pretty shaky yes. Turning 18 in two months and reciting it every school day for the past 14 or so years (including pre-kindergarten) can get somewhat tiresome and it tends to lose its meaning unless you take the time to think about what it really means (and I'm sure about 95% of the kids don't do that).

But hey, who can it hurt? People aren't forced to say it. I'm agnostic, and I don't mind that people include 'under God' in there. So in my opinion, it doesn't hurt me or anybody else, and since it can only do nothing at all or something good may come of it for individual students, I don't see why not.

Cal_da_Darth
09-11-2002, 10:06 PM
In the morning when we're supposed to say the pledge; I don't say it. I put my hand over my heart. The Bible says it's okay to salute your country, but I don't pledge my allegiance to the flag, I pledge it to God. Sorry if that bothers anyone.

Absurd
09-11-2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Darth Knight


it sadens me that you did that, it takes all of 30 seconds, but it is your choice so i can't argue with that either

I think of it like flag burning.

If people aren't allow to burn the flag, the symbol (the flag) loses it's meaning - the principles it represents - one of principles being free speech - so it's a contradiction not to allow a person to burn the flag; an expression of discontent.

The same goes for the pledge of allegiance - it's words that symbolize a belief in a tradition of freedom, yet you should also be given the freedom to not exercise it.

Freedom is about choice.

When something is forced, freedom becomes secondary and meaningless.

gorganfloss
09-11-2002, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Cal_da_Darth
In the morning when we're supposed to say the pledge; I don't say it. I put my hand over my heart. The Bible says it's okay to salute your country, but I don't pledge my allegiance to the flag, I pledge it to God. Sorry if that bothers anyone.

That bothers me so much Im going to...to...*shoots Darth in the head*:snipe1:

:evil5:

Cal_da_Darth
09-11-2002, 10:10 PM
I really hope you were kidding there...

gorganfloss
09-11-2002, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Absurd


I think of it like flag burning.

If people aren't allow to burn the flag, the symbol (the flag) loses it's meaning - the principles it represents - one of principles being free speech - so it's a contradiction not to allow a person to burn the flag; an expression of discontent.

The same goes for the pledge of allegiance - it's words that symbolize a belief in a tradition of freedom, yet you should also be given the freedom to not exercise it.

Freedom is about choice.

When something is forced, freedom becomes secondary and meaningless.
Your the 6th smartest dude I know (sort of, I dont actually KNOW you...).

gorganfloss
09-11-2002, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Cal_da_Darth
I really hope you were kidding there...
Thats why the mad-peace dudes there. :p

Absurd
09-11-2002, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by gorganfloss

Your the 6th smartest dude I know (sort of, I dont actually KNOW you...).

Thanks. :cool:

Cal_da_Darth
09-11-2002, 10:16 PM
Eh...alrighty then, I dunno what you're talking about. Anywho, back to the topic...

gorganfloss
09-11-2002, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Cal_da_Darth
Eh...alrighty then, I dunno what you're talking about. Anywho, back to the topic...
That meant I was joking...But back to the topic is a good way to go.

Kyth'emos
09-11-2002, 10:24 PM
I personaly don't really care one way or another, I dont see that it hurts anything but I dont see what good it does either. I personally went to private school were we didnt say it till seventh grade, and I have not said it at all since I have gone to public school because I straingly disagree with "One nation under god." Which is not even part of the original pledge of alliegence but some idiot from the 50s' idea.

NerfYoda
09-11-2002, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Absurd
Freedom is about choice.

When something is forced, freedom becomes secondary and meaningless.

VERY well put! :D

JaseP
09-11-2002, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by gorganfloss
I said Nay because of the part about god, and I dont believe in god.

That's ok, He probably doesn't believe much in you either...

NerfYoda
09-12-2002, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by JaseP


That's ok, He probably doesn't believe much in you either...

But if he doesnt believe in god then what does he care? :)