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ThunderPeel2001
10-04-2002, 03:53 AM
Anyone remember a picture on the back of the ORIGINAL MI box of Spiffy (the dog in the bar) CLOSE UP? I have definitely seen this picture somewhere -- maybe on an old advert... Anyone else remember it?

Just to clarify: I'm talking about a close up picture of the dog in the Scumm Bar -- like when you talk to him or something you see a close up that wasn't actually used in the game.

Also: Anyone noticed how the 'emaciated Charles Atlas' line is gone from recent versions? (Guybrush says it when you look at the statue in the Voodoo Lady's melee island office).

Also also: Has anyone ever noticed that there's a FISH hanging above the door in the Woodsmith's shop in MI2 -- but only in the Amiga version... Strangely there's nothing there in the PC version.

Also also also: Anyone remember how all the previews of MI2 said the plot line revolved around LeChuck's BROTHER coming back for revenge? Anyone? Anyone at all? Or is it all just me?

~ TP

mats
10-04-2002, 06:18 AM
I have the White Label MI1+2. The dog is featured on the back.

bgbennyboy
10-04-2002, 07:10 AM
Aha the mystery of Spiffy, it just so happens that this one has recently been solved.
I spent the best part of half a day playing every version of MI to find that damm dog - upshot it just wasnt there.

Later Jake used his contacts (ie he sent an email) to solve the mystery once and for all.
He got the following reply:

No, that was very specifically a rip off. It was in the game, but it got cut because of disk space. We thought it was un ethical to put on the box, but we also liked the Steve Purcell art so much, and we thought people should be able to see it somewhere, so we left it on. It’s amazing how many people saw the picture on the box, and then in their memories, imagined it was in the game.

Ive spent the best part of 10 years insisting that I saw the dog in the game once.
The moral of this story? Some mystery are best left unresolved¬¬

mats
10-04-2002, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by bgbennyboy
Ive spent the best part of 10 years insisting that I saw the dog in the game once.

Same here. Weird.

MrManager
10-04-2002, 10:05 PM
So have I. I believe the developers are wrong. Also, I am in denial.

ThunderPeel2001
10-05-2002, 03:03 AM
Well that's the first mystery solved! (Thanks!) Shall I provide screen shots for the others?

I'd love to get that close up of Spiffy! :(

~ John

ThunderPeel2001
10-06-2002, 01:03 PM
Also: Has anyone else ever spotted the hidden hidden message about Ron Gilbert in the Amiga version of MI? I'll give you a clue: It's in the logo file.

I'll post pictures of the other stuff if anyone is interested.

~ John

MrManager
10-06-2002, 01:23 PM
I haven't seen that one... What is it?

QueZTone
10-09-2002, 08:02 AM
im with you Remi, even tho the Gawd (shafer) says it aint so, I still believe. I want to believe!

yeah what's this hidden gilbert-logo msg thing you're talking about? Show us!

ThunderPeel2001
10-14-2002, 06:43 AM
Muahaha. Well... I think someone should at least TRY to find it! :) After all I've known about it for years and I'm surprised that no-one else has ever spotted it. (It's not much folks, so don't get your hopes up -- but it's worthy for a MI hardcore trivia geeks (like me :))

Has NO-ONE ever seen this before??

~ John

MrManager
10-14-2002, 11:22 AM
In all reality I kinda doubt a lot of us even own the Amiga version anymore, let alone an Amiga. So be a good boy and post! :deathstar:

bgbennyboy
10-14-2002, 11:28 AM
'In the logo file'
Do you mean the big mi icon you see in workbench or the actual title screen? I cant see anything on either.

bgbennyboy
10-14-2002, 11:37 AM
AHA found it.
I see what you mean now, its inside the .info file that contains the icon information.

"Secret of Monkey Icon by Aaron Muszalski....G; with no help from anybody ever! (Especially not Ron Gilbert.)....*; except: Bret Barrett (Hair,logo tweaks)....*; Ben Emmerich (Drapes... and my dishes!)....'; Thanks all! Enjoy the game. Peace......;.....; P.S. I love you Annabelle!."

bgbennyboy
10-14-2002, 11:46 AM
Also inside mi1 amiga files:

"Tried to complete trial twice. THIS IS BAD! Tried to complete invalid trial: THIS IS BAD!"

ThunderPeel2001
10-14-2002, 07:03 PM
It's also very noteworthy that the "(Especially not Ron Gilbert)" line was deliberately hidden past the edge of the line, and not visible unless you accidentally stumbled across it on the original 1.3 kickstart workbench.

It always made me wonder what it was REALLY like a LucasArts, somebody putting a HIDDEN line in like that.

Does it mean something or is it just a joke? Hmmmm!

~ John

ThunderPeel2001
10-14-2002, 07:06 PM
Wow! Look what Aaron has been up to since he made that icon file!!!

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,3835/

and REALLY cool:

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Muszalski,+Aaron

He worked on CMI, TPM and even AOTC! I never knew that!

And here's a piccy of him!

http://www.fluxdesign.com/annodomino/team/images/aaron_orange.jpg

Ok, this is getting scary now!

~ John

jannar85
10-15-2002, 05:33 AM
http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/uhoh.gif

That comment still bugs me...... About Ron...

Jake
10-15-2002, 02:05 PM
If that bugs you then you are a goof.

Huz
10-15-2002, 08:00 PM
That stupid dog.

jannar85
10-16-2002, 05:15 AM
Oh, hehe... I guess I read something wrong.... :)
I thought it said that everyone made the game (except from Ron)
:p

Damnit, I must read the stuff more carefully next time. :)

jannar85
10-17-2002, 03:54 AM
Huz? Jake? You still there? Read my almost last post....:compcry:

ThunderPeel2001
10-18-2002, 09:25 PM
Actually there's a very amusing story relating to the Ron G comment (that I've just learnt). I'll post it here soon!

~ John

ThunderPeel2001
10-20-2002, 11:33 AM
Here it is: The complete story of the hidden message!

I managed to email Aaron Muszalski and what a jolly nice chap he is! He told me the whole story:

Basically our man Aaron was working as a Tester at LEC on Secret of Monkey Island. In the weeks leading up to the big release, the credits for the opening sequence still hadn't been figured out, so "comedy" credits were inserted by Dave Grossman and Tim Shaffer (and whoever else) in each version.

One version came which tickled Aaron's ribs simply said:

THE SECRET OF MONKEY ISLAND

by Dave Grossman and Tim Schaffer

with no help from anyone ever!

(Especially not Ron Gilbert.)

And so it became an office running joke: Everytime you did something you'd say you did it "with no help from anyone ever!".

It's also worth noting that the reason the icon file is so huge and cool is because it was his first job in the Art Dept. and he wanted to show people what he could do (a small icon wouldn't look very impressive!). He has since gone on to do work on CMI, The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Men in Black II -- all from that one icon!

Wow.

What a cool little story, huh?

~ John

Huz
10-20-2002, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by jannar85
Huz? Jake? You still there? Read my almost last post....:compcry: Dude, I wasn't calling *you* a "stupid dog" - I was just expressing the fact that I, too, thought I had seen Spiffy in-game. I was one of the ones going mad trying to find it. :)

Also, John, best story ever. The MI1 icon was definitely the coolest icon I had. :)

Jake
10-21-2002, 01:34 PM
Does anyone have a picture of the Amiga icon anywhere that they can upload? I've never seen it. Same with Monkey 2, even though that one probably isnt as impressive?

Here's the Mac icons though I doubt anyone is super impressed by them after seeing this awesome outrageous amiga one, whatever it looked like. :)

http://www.mixnmojo.com/jake/macicons.gif

bgbennyboy
10-21-2002, 01:52 PM
Here we go:
MI1, MI2 and FOA
http://www.gorman.btinternet.co.uk/AmigaMi.jpg

And when selected:
http://www.gorman.btinternet.co.uk/AmigaMiSelected.jpg

ThunderPeel2001
10-22-2002, 07:14 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Wrong ratio and colour scheme! -- YUK!

Here's the REAL icon (as seen on the original Monkey Island disc)

http://members.aol.com/thunderpeel2001/monkeyisland.gif

~ John

bgbennyboy
10-22-2002, 07:19 AM
Bah I cant even remember how to change colourscheme anymore, pcs have corrupted my mind.
I really should get me amiga down from the loft...

jannar85
10-22-2002, 07:53 AM
oh, lol Huz. Sorry;)
Maybe you won't mind me doing this now;

http://adventurepit.adventuredevelopers.com/images/mi_mac1.gif

http://adventurepit.adventuredevelopers.com/images/mi_mac2.gif

ThunderPeel2001
10-22-2002, 07:58 AM
It's STILL in the wrong ratio though! (That means it's STRETCHED because it's in INTERLACED when the old 1.3 Kickstart defaulted to Hi-Res.) Plus it has a border around it which wasn't there in 1.3 version of Workbench.

The picture I put up came directly from Aaron himself!

~ John

bgbennyboy
10-22-2002, 08:19 AM
Both mine and jannars appear to be AIAB on winuae, i could get a proper genuine old-skool capture but......well thunderpeel's is close enough

Huz
10-24-2002, 05:10 PM
Oh, cool. Thanks for posting that image John! The 'wrong' colour scheme posted by bgbennyboy was actually the default colour scheme from post-Workbench 2 days, and I'd never seen the MI1 icon in WB1.3 colours before. Definitely looks better!

Workbench 2 upwards also put an annoying border around all icons, while Workbench 1.3 made them totally transparent. Always seemed like a pointless step back to me, and there was no way of reverting to the old behaviour.

This combination of changes messed up quite a few pretty icons and always used to annoy me.

ThunderPeel2001
10-24-2002, 06:07 PM
Actually it was the colours that Aaron himself chose on the disk (although 2.0+ upwards really messed up the icon anyways) through the .info file (if memory serves). The colours represented aren't the EXACT same four colours on the original disk, but as BGBennyBoy said; they're close enough!

Actually you two guys: Could you remove those huge pictures? It takes eons to load this thread on a 56k connection now :(

Thanks!

~ John

Gabez
10-24-2002, 07:33 PM
Yeah, the large pictures were taking ages to load for me too.

It's really interesting to see that full colour icon, though. The only version of the icon I had seen previously was a black and white one.

Also, the story is the coolest. :) Nice detective work there!

bgbennyboy
10-25-2002, 10:11 AM
In keeping with the amiga nostalgia, note that the Amiga MI1 music was converted by game music God Chris Hülsbeck (http://www.huelsbeck.com/) his MP3.com page is here (http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/24/chris_hlsbeck.html)

I strongly urge, nay command you to listen to some of his music, especially Turrican2 and Apidya.
As I know some of you are lazy and cant be bothered filling in fake signup details at mp3.com (Im looking at you Huz) you can get his extended version of the Turrican2 title theme off me `ere (http://www.gorman.btinternet.co.uk/Turrican_II_Title_rene.mp3) his Turrican2 underwater theme `ere (http://www.gorman.btinternet.co.uk/Turrican_II__Under_Wat.mp3) and someone elses remix of the Turrican2 level1 theme `ere. (http://www.gorman.btinternet.co.uk/Turrican2_TheDesertRemake_OC_ReMix.mp3)

He appears to be doing a lot of LEC music recently including, heh, 'Ballblazer champions', Infernal Machine and Rogue Leader.
Anyway he's my official 'God of the week', bask in his glory.

[Edit]
Oh and while im here, here's a Ballblazer (http://www.gorman.btinternet.co.uk/Ballblazer-FreonMix.mp3) and Zak McKracken (http://www.gorman.btinternet.co.uk/ZakMcKracken-MartianInvasionRemix.mp3) remix I found on VGMix.com (http://www.vgmix.com/) the other day. It appears to be down atm.

ThunderPeel2001
10-25-2002, 01:30 PM
OMG! I had no idea that the same guy who did the LEGENDARY Turrican 2 music did Apidya as well! Man that music was SWEET! I always thought it was done by some crazy Japs that I'd never be able to track down... that music was SO cool!

I can't wait to download them, nice link BG!!

~ John

Huz
10-25-2002, 03:08 PM
Cheers BG, very thoughful for us lazy types. :)

Also, here is my 56k TIP OF THE DAY (it rhymes, dude): go to your user CP and make embedded forum images show up as links instead. Saves a lot of bandwidth (especially if you make the mistake of going to the EscapeMI.com boards where people use stupidly large images as their signatures), and you can click on the links if they interest you. Super fun! Or something.