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Hannibal
10-16-2002, 12:09 PM
I think the Darkness in that cave is Dooku's deadness.:)
I know in EU Yoda kills a dark jedi there and it is suppose to help hide him from the Emperor and Vader. Maybe in this 3rd movie Lucas will have Dooku go after Yoda for his final revenge but Yoda will get the best of him.

Just a theory.

Opinions please.

Purple_Tentacle
10-16-2002, 02:10 PM
i dont think we will see dagobah in episode 3. too much has to happen, i think that its going to end with everyone going their seperate ways, luke and obi to tatoine, yoda to dagobah, leia and pademe to alderaan. that will be the final scene.

Taos
10-16-2002, 06:06 PM
I think that would be cool to see!! Yoda should finish what he started and kill Dooku.

I also think that GL may put a little sceen where Yoda is away from Coruscant doing his duties and then maybe doing a little scouting for a place. Because, I think he can sense that there is something very big and very evil on the horizon.

Dragonlancer
10-16-2002, 07:09 PM
I gotta say, that makes the most sence of anything I've heard in AWHILE. That, in my opinion at least, has a goodchance of actually happening. Good idea. There's going to be a lot happening, true, but I think that George is going to surprise us with something. We'll just have to see.

JediNyt
10-16-2002, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Hannibal
I think the Darkness in that cave is Dooku's deadness.:)
I know in EU Yoda kills a dark jedi there and it is suppose to help hide him from the Emperor and Vader. Maybe in this 3rd movie Lucas will have Dooku go after Yoda for his final revenge but Yoda will get the best of him.

Just a theory.

Opinions please.

I too have been thinking about that very same theory. It would then explain why that cave is filled with the Dark side. How else could it be there? But if it turns out that Ani kills Dooku then maybe some other guy who is a Dark Jedi dies there. There are Dark Jedi around we just dont see them in the movies. Or maybe we wont see any of that and just be left to ponder cause maybe its not important to the story.

Purple_Tentacle
10-17-2002, 07:10 AM
i have always believed that "dark place" on dagobah was a test controlled by yoda as part of luke's training.

i thought that the test came from luke's fears, in a sence he had to face his greatest fear which he conjoured up.

by faceing vader there, in a way, it helped him to face the real vader and not give in to his fears.

(i'm just glad he didn't think of the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man :))

its also possible that places / areas can be strong with the darkside without any sith influence.

Sivy
10-17-2002, 11:35 AM
interesting theory,

may happen like that, though i think it will be one of thoose questions that GL won't answer

Hannibal
10-17-2002, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Sivy B
interesting theory,

may happen like that, though i think it will be one of thoose questions that GL won't answer

It would bother me if he didn't answer most of those questions.
But I think your right that he won't. Cause he's creating more questions like why Obi-Wan never mentions Qui-Gon to Luke.

*in his best Ricky Ricardo impersonation*
Lucas you've got alot of 'splaining to do.

Darth Kaan
10-18-2002, 11:57 AM
I have often wondered why Obi never told Luke of Qui-Gon either.

Purple_Tentacle
10-18-2002, 12:12 PM
obi wan was VERY carefull with luke, he didn't want him going the way of his father. he tried not to bring him down with the facts of how all the jedi were wiped out and he is the universe's only hope. this could make him ****y / arrogant, or afraid and nervous.

what good would come of telling him about qui-gon ?

Purple_Tentacle
10-18-2002, 12:14 PM
oh my god i cant say " c o c k y "? whats with that ?!??!

Hannibal
10-18-2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Purple_Tentacle
what good would come of telling him about qui-gon ?

what harm would have come from him telling him about qui-gon?

It just seems like GL is covering for himself. He's looking at the other movies and going ok

When Obi-Wan spoke of Anakin he was speaking as if he was talking about someone Luke's age or older not a 9 year old kid.

Also, I think Luke knew what happened to the Jedi. It's something the galaxy new about. The only thing that Obi-Wan protected him from was info about Vader being his father.

Kryllith
10-18-2002, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Hannibal


what harm would have come from him telling him about qui-gon?

It just seems like GL is covering for himself. He's looking at the other movies and going ok

When Obi-Wan spoke of Anakin he was speaking as if he was talking about someone Luke's age or older not a 9 year old kid.

That's a matter of point of view, of course. Just like Vader killing Anakin.

As for him telling Luke about qui-gon... sure he could have told Luke about him but what would be the point? Luke needs to focus on the current threat, not the history of Qui-gon Jinn. Now if Luke had to have a showdown with Darth Maul, rather than Darth Vader, then informing Luke about Qui-gon would be a bit more relevant (of course, Obiwan might have died to Maul if that were the case, so he wouldn't be telling Luke anything).

Kryllith

Hannibal
10-18-2002, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Kryllith

That's a matter of point of view, of course. Just like Vader killing Anakin.

As for him telling Luke about qui-gon... sure he could have told Luke about him but what would be the point? Luke needs to focus on the current threat, not the history of Qui-gon Jinn.

Ok, that makes sense to me.

Old Rep Knight
10-18-2002, 06:07 PM
Why hasn't Qui-Gon reappeared to Obi-Wan or Anakin like Obi-Wan did (and later Yoda) to Luke? I simply think Qui-Gon was never mentioned to Luke from Obi-Won b/c GL hadn't thought of him yet. Obviously the SW saga is developing beyond what GL thought it ever would (at least everything beyond the original trilogy). He's constrained somewhat by what was said and happened in the trilogy for what he can do in the prequels but it's just a matter of circumstance (being that the timeline of events is happening backwards) that Qui-Gon isn't mentioned in the trilogy. If the prequels had been first and the trilogy is what was coming out now Qui-Gon probably would have been mentioned. Just my opinion.

:holosid:

covenant_bad
10-18-2002, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Hannibal
I think the Darkness in that cave is Dooku's deadness.:)
I know in EU Yoda kills a dark jedi there and it is suppose to help hide him from the Emperor and Vader. Maybe in this 3rd movie Lucas will have Dooku go after Yoda for his final revenge but Yoda will get the best of him.

Just a theory.

Opinions please.


That seems a logical step as well as being a badass ending.

Imagine Yoda actually getting to kick dookus ass. for real.
:D

ckcsaber
10-18-2002, 08:27 PM
I don't really want to see another Yoda duel. I want it more focused on Anakins transformation cause' Anakin is what this trilogy is about.

Admiral Vostok
10-20-2002, 07:12 AM
While it is true that GL hadn't thought of Qui-Gon yet, it really doesn't mean anything that Obi-Wan didn't mention him. He didn't mention Yoda until Luke had to go and find him, so why would he bother telling Luke about Qui-Gon. I can just see it now...

"Luke! ... Luke! ... You must go to the Dagobah system. ... There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me. ... I might mention before I fade into nothingness that he didn't instruct me all through my junior years, I was sent to train under a Jedi by the name of Qui-Gon Jinn, but he died so go find Yoda instead."

JediNyt
10-20-2002, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by Admiral Vostok

"I might mention before I fade into nothingness that he didn't instruct me all through my junior years, I was sent to train under a Jedi by the name of Qui-Gon Jinn, but he died so go find Yoda instead."

Lol:D

Qui-Gon Jinn 64
10-20-2002, 02:13 PM
You can just imagine a dejected ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn watching Obi-Wan talk to Luke, sighing to himself "He has forgotten about me already. I did train him in every aspect of Jedi life, at least give me some credit!"

Or maybe not....

As for the Yoda/Dooku thing, Yoda does kill the Count, but not on Dagobah. The duel between the two is on Courscant, when there is an assault on the Jedi Temple by Dooku, who is leading the newly-turned Clonetroopers against the Republic, just after Palpatine declairs himself Emperor of the galaxy. Yoda is beaten back (and restrained somehow, like the final duel in Episode I but something else in place of the energy fields), and Mace Windu rushes to his defence. Dooku kills Mace, but Yoda escapes his restraint (whatever it may be) and stabs Dooku through the chest. Yoda then escapes as the room floods with Clonetroopers....

I heard this on some website, it may or may not be true, but it sounds good enough for me.

Darth Kaan
11-04-2002, 11:20 AM
I don't think any harm would have come from telling him about Qui Gon...

Just funny he never mentions him to Luke.

ET Warrior
11-06-2002, 11:41 PM
I dont think he had any opportunity where it would have been relevant for him to mention QuiGon. ObiWan was very secretive about his past, he only told luke things that had relevance at the time. Telling him about QuiGon would have been pointless.

Kryllith
11-07-2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Darth Kaan
I don't think any harm would have come from telling him about Qui Gon...

Just funny he never mentions him to Luke.
Of course, he never mentions Mace, Dooku, or anyone else neither... not even Amidala.

Kryllith

Hannibal
11-07-2002, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Kryllith

Of course, he never mentions Mace, Dooku, or anyone else neither... not even Amidala.

Kryllith

When you put it that way it makes sense that he wouldn't tell him. Somebody else already said it but, he could tell him a lot of things. More about his mom and the real events of the past but he's preparing him for the future.

Count Dooku 2
11-08-2002, 04:10 AM
He is training Luke to be the galaxy's only living Jedi Knight. Why cloud his mind with useless information that has no relevance to the situation?

Also, in one of my many graphic novels, Obi-Wan talks to Han Solo on the Falcon just before he gives Luke the seeker droid: he tells him about the time he and Qui-Gon faced off against Aurra Sing. It's just an excuse for an almighty battle between the bounty hunter and the Jedi, but it does show a link between the prequels and the original films.