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JumpinJedi
10-19-2002, 09:02 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to bring something to your attention.

A clan, Look at my monkey! ( http://www.lookatmymonkey.co.uk ), has in a way STOLEN a map which I made.

I made this map as a gift to LAMM, as I was friends with a few members. Recently, I saw on the site that credit was given to their official mapper, Ami Goldenberg AKA DaMaGe. I went to their server and asked the leader of the clan AND their webmaster to give me credit. They refused, gave me minor abuse and kicked me from the server.

So I come here to tell you of this theft, and I would like to hear opinions.

Thanks,

JumpinJedi

EDIT : I just got a ton of abuse from the clan leader..i'm apparently a "Lying twat". Hmm.

Datheus
10-19-2002, 09:04 AM
Well written JJ ;)


I don't know the facts on this, but if this is true, they can burn in hell. The least anyone should ever get for their work is credit

I never really did like LAMM...

JumpinJedi
10-19-2002, 09:44 AM
Oh and another thing - I used to be in LAMM, and I left due to RL problems..which gained me alot of abuse. Sort of suggests something about LAMM, huh ?

obi
10-19-2002, 09:56 AM
Well, tell you the truth, there isn't jack-squat you can do about it. Every time you want revenge on their server, they'll probably just kick you again, and might even band your ip or something to that effect.


I feel sorry for you, because that was a real jackass thing for them to do, but there is nothing that can be done. Sorry. :(

JumpinJedi
10-19-2002, 10:01 AM
Actually there is something that can be done.

We simply spread the word that LAMM is a mismanaged, thieving piece of crap clan..simple. Many people have seen this and left. Including many close friends of mine.

JumpinJedi
10-19-2002, 10:54 AM
LAMM have agree'd to remove my map from their site and never use it..

Hmm, must have seen this post eh ? Another smeer on their bad reputation. HAH!

Kstar__2
10-19-2002, 01:28 PM
that no good slimy.............stupid clan!

geez, like it's so hard to give some1 the credit they deserve:mad:

mima kake
10-19-2002, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by kstar__2
that no good slimy.............stupid clan!

geez, like it's so hard to give some1 the credit they deserve:mad:

Right on the head of the nail.
You spoke my thoughts.:thumbsup:

Histys-History
10-19-2002, 04:15 PM
I was going to join LAMM ages ago, i beat um all so i thought, nah!! Now i know that, they really do sux

Haemon
10-19-2002, 09:58 PM
awwwww thats not cool

Thanks for putting it out there JJ.

ForceElf
10-20-2002, 01:26 AM
That sucks.........I know (srry if offend anyone) Let's make LAMM chops!:launcher: :lurkblast :tank1: :twogun: :jumpfire: :headblast

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 03:21 AM
The only people that would be offended is LAMM....but they're no stranger to offending..especially against people.

They STILL haven't deleted my map, so I suppose more spreading of this complete betreyal is in order.

gorganfloss
10-20-2002, 03:35 AM
This is probably a stupid question, but what game does LAMM stand for?

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 03:40 AM
Look at my monkey...the name adopted from joecartoon.com I believe.

gorganfloss
10-20-2002, 03:41 AM
Oh lol.
I thought that was the abbreviation for a game.
:lol:
Im dumb in teh head.

Eldritch
10-20-2002, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by gorganfloss
This is probably a stupid question, but what game does LAMM stand for?

Lying A**** Moderate Misinterpretations. :D

-Anakin

ForceElf
10-20-2002, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by JumpinJedi
The only people that would be offended is LAMM....but they're no stranger to offending..especially against people.

They STILL haven't deleted my map, so I suppose more spreading of this complete betreyal is in order.

i said offended because of Non-meat eaters(can't spell reight now). Lamm sounds like Lamb so thats why i said offended. Still i'm hungray fer some LAMM Chops.:mob:

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 04:17 AM
lmao oh right..

LAMM - Lame and mis-managed.

JediLoaf
10-20-2002, 06:37 AM
To be quite honest, our clan, The Infinitive (http://www.theinfinitive-ncx.tk) (of which JJ was second in command), has had a few run ins with them. We even have a clan match with them tonight! I know, that there are only two people in LAMM that are alright, and thats Aeth S'kray and dAmaGe. I need your views on whether this match should take place.

I also say, TI will replace LAMM!!



JediLoaf :bdroid2:

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 06:38 AM
heh, I hope not, that'd be even worse ! LOAF IN COMMAND ?! WE'RE DOOMED !

JediLoaf
10-20-2002, 06:40 AM
hell, i took your role when you left! Pread dissolved my position and i got promoted over Eclipse who left....


so anyways...LAMM...

Here is what TI will do to LAMM (Ti is the At-At)

:atat: :deathii:

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 09:07 AM
Actually an X wing would be more effective against a death star, loaf :)

JediLoaf
10-20-2002, 09:37 AM
show me where the X-Wing smilie is excluding Biggs Darklighter... :biggs:

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 09:39 AM
Heres an update...

LAMM have still not taken my map off their site, and they have set one of their higher ranked people at me, giving me abuse on msn.

Is it just me, or is LAMM refusing to comply ? Hmm...

amgo2002
10-20-2002, 09:49 AM
AHAHAAHHA!

NO!

JediLoaf
10-20-2002, 09:53 AM
wait a minute. before you all go yelling at everyone, lemmie say this. Damage had no idea of this, and was given unknown credit, so it is LAMM in the bad here, not him. (Damage = amgo2002)


Let's all praise Damage! :ewok:

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 10:02 AM
Thanks Damage...

By the way guys, I would like to clarify I don't actually have a problem with LAMM as a whole, just its leaders.

amgo2002
10-20-2002, 10:02 AM
NONONONONNONONONONONNONO!!!!!
my mistake
yr mistake

amgo2002
10-20-2002, 10:05 AM
oh and loaf...
about our battle....

:atat: :deathii:

this means u die and we win.... :D
death star 2 kicks ass....

amgo2002
10-20-2002, 10:06 AM
NO

JediLoaf
10-20-2002, 10:09 AM
"credits huh? I need something a little more real" - Watto




Republic Daktarins are useless Damage :P

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 10:13 AM
Damage, I just asked for the public's opinions on LAMMs thieving ways....Maybe they could improve their image with an apology. I will let them use the map if they give me credit and an apology for all the crap i've got off of them, it's all I ask.

JediLoaf
10-20-2002, 10:17 AM
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blosamamissile.htm


yeits all over. You better put a few layers of underwear on, 'cos your @$$ is gonna be sore tommorrow :D

Kstar__2
10-20-2002, 10:34 AM
i'm glad that it is sorted out now

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 11:44 AM
It is ? That's big news to me :/

Kstar__2
10-20-2002, 11:55 AM
when two man fight, both are deaf to eich other

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 12:13 PM
This isnt a fight my friend, it is a betrayal.

JediLoaf
10-20-2002, 12:29 PM
oh give it up JJ....

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 12:32 PM
When I have an official apology from LAMM in my inbox, then I will ;)

Godlike
10-20-2002, 12:56 PM
Hi all,
Lets clear a few things up.

1st and most importantly the map. We are taking it off site as we do not use it and i will do it as soon as i have posted this. The reason that damages name was on it was purley a clerical error which I made.

2nd This thing with JJ kicked off along time ago when LAMM was a small clan. now i cannot remember the particulars, but i do remember that he left with a bad attitude with someone and started spreading rumours and stuff... although we was mad at this we let it slide. There was a time that i remember that i was on one of the academy servers, i knew JJ was there but chose not to get involved with him. But he changed his name came over and started hurling abuse. WTF!!!

3rd All people that join our servers are welcome, but we will not tollerate abuse, we do not tollerate chat killing and we do not tollerate behaviour that is unacceptable or that makes other players enjoyment of the game diminish. These people will be spoken to by the admin of the server and if the behaviour continues then they will be "slapped" as a warning if it continues.. then they will be kicked. Most of the people come to us regullary coz we are very firm on these rules which makes their game play more enjoyable.

4th Not many of you have met JJ which is unfortunate, as you only have his word which he has written on this post. It seems that most of you are with him on this one.. that is fair enuf.. free world, your choice.

5th yes i did boot JJ from the server. why? Because I was asked to by the joint leader Manto. Manto does not ask for people to be booted without reason... infact it is the first time that i am aware of that he has asked this... so there had to be a good reason. I am not going to ask what was going on between JJ and Manto as it was between them.

6th If LAMM is that bad why do we have 20+ ACTIVE members, which is more than most of the other clans within the JK2 community. I think i know why, we are fair, fun to be with we provide training nearly everyday. And we are always there for our members, if they got a question or need help with something. The only thing that DOES let our clan down is the LACK of US members which is a shame for our current US members, but it is something that myself, Manto and our US masters are working on.

7th. I notice earlier in this post a few comments.

1) "I just got a ton of abuse from the clan leader..i'm apparently a "Lying twat". Hmm."
- unfortunatly know one knows you like we have known you so it would be hard for them to get an opinon of you

2) Oh and another thing - I used to be in LAMM, and I left due to RL problems..which gained me alot of abuse. Sort of suggests something about LAMM, huh ?
and there was us thinking that you went straight to join another clan.. oh you DID

3) I was going to join LAMM ages ago, i beat um all so i thought, nah!! Now i know that, they really do sux don't see me putting childish comments in like this.... you welcome to join our servers and try us again.. we have improved much from "ages" ago

4) lmao oh right.. LAMM - Lame and mis-managed. - this is coming from the person that keeps jumping from clan to clan.

5) By the way guys, I would like to clarify I don't actually have a problem with LAMM as a whole, just its leaders. - so what was the acadamey business about then..??? i was not a leader then. comming over and hurling abuse.

FINAL

so the credits was to damage.. sorry. Map is now comming off as we do not use it.

Opinons on JJ.. well it looks like most of you are backing JJ up.. that is fine. but i will say this....

"Don't judge a book by it's cover"

That is all

[LAMM]Godlike
Joint leader.

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 01:22 PM
Godlike..

1. I left LAMM due to RL problems, and joined TI as an ADMINISTRATOR. I was helping them with recruitment and server stuff. I also don't see why it's your business what clan i'm in.

2. I did not break ANY rules on your server. I merely insisted I got credit for my work, and I did so in private messaging, not at ANY point getting abusive.

3. I didn't at ANY time spread things around LAMM in the Jedi Academy. I did talk to people about how you put words in TI's mouth, but that's not my business.

4. When it comes down to bare facts, You stole a map from a person who was kind enough to take a few days to make a map for you.

5. Godlike, the only problem I have with you is the fact that you accused ME of stealing this map....Well, I can prove this is my work by the fact that I have the .MAP file.

Also...can you justify the abuse I recieved by Manto ? Not very leaderlike.

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 01:28 PM
Oh, and I tried to come to a resolve, and talk to Godlike on MSN Messenger, with another highly ranked member of LAMM, DaMaGe. However, Godlike refused to talk and left.

Godlike
10-20-2002, 01:35 PM
1) so you left lamm for RL probs but went to TI?? looks like a clan jump to me

2) Manto does not boot people for no reason.

3) I did not once say you spread things, please do not put words into my mouth. i am not going into it again

4) bare fact was i made a clerical error. stole.. hey you posted that it was a gift for lamm... so did we steal or did you give it to lamm, can i please have clarification on this ?

5) Since when have i accused you of stealing this map?? hang on i'll check....... ...... .... ... .. nope nothing there... hang on in your previous point no.4 you are saying that we stole it.... so did you steal it, did we steal it, did you give it to us...???

JJ can you PLEASE make up you mind!!!

What did Manto say?? i dunno... it was over his msm or in private mode.. how am i supposed to know?
It looks like it is your word against his...

the reson i left, was coz i did not want to be drawn into a petty argument.. over a DAMN MAP. it is off now.. end of story
[LAMM]Godlike

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 01:47 PM
If you weren't so stubborn and talk to me on msn..this could have been over. But anyway..

You said I was spreading rumours about LAMM, check the post you made.

I made the map, gave it to you, and you didnt give me as much as a mention. THAT is theft. You accused me of not actually making the map on the LAMM server.

I'd like an admin to lock this thread please.

Tyrion
10-20-2002, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by JumpinJedi
If you weren't so stubborn and talk to me on msn..this could have been over. But anyway..

You said I was spreading rumours about LAMM, check the post you made.

I made the map, gave it to you, and you didnt give me as much as a mention. THAT is theft. You accused me of not actually making the map on the LAMM server.

I'd like an admin to lock this thread please.

Um..Godlike said that you left because....

someone was starting rumors in the clan.

Maybe for once he wasnt talking about you?

Godlike
10-20-2002, 02:07 PM
yup... we monkeys will batter you with our bananas!!!! :D


i have asked JJ to make an appology on this forum... so far he refuses..

no more on the map topic for me.

edit.. that previous post has gone :(
now this one does not make sense!

JediLoaf
10-20-2002, 02:18 PM
Admin, close this, the matter has been resolved on MSN messenger.

JumpinJedi
10-20-2002, 02:21 PM
Yup, it's over..people have grown up, and at least one person (namely me) has apologized.

Godlike
10-20-2002, 02:46 PM
sighs.....

godlike

amgo2002
10-20-2002, 03:44 PM
i'm sick of this!
end of discussion!
u made us a map, gave it as a gift, godlike made a mistake and put the credits to a wrong person, u post, godlike changed.
END OF STORY!
u dont need to start new arguments all the time jj!
we solve one argument and there u jump to another?
i know yr called jumpinjedi but its not a reason to jump to stuff :P
so come on....
u hate each other? stay AWAY from each other!
nice and easy solution!

now please... have an admin close this post.