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Toonces
10-21-2002, 12:17 AM
Tex made this very nice model a number of months ago and Arco and I are finishing him up.

The skin is very very early, and I'm still trying to get the geometry on his head right, any crits would be apprishated :)

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/obia1.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/obia2.jpg

seks03
10-21-2002, 12:22 AM
looks really good hopefully you'll add a robe

Kranckor
10-21-2002, 02:07 AM
Those eyes..............I will forever be haunted by those eyes...........

skywalker19
10-21-2002, 03:15 AM
eyes are kinda freaky lookin,i imagine they wont look that way once he's completly skinned though.

Toonces
10-21-2002, 03:21 AM
Yeah, they give me nightmares too ;)

I just slapped one of ravens textures on them for now, it'll look quite a bit different fully skinned

ReIIiK
10-21-2002, 04:49 AM
lol, about the eyes, awsome job none the less!

12thMonkey
10-21-2002, 05:59 AM
He looks a bit like the Incredible Hulk with those eyes :D.

Joke ;)

_NinjaGaiden_
10-21-2002, 02:01 PM
Hopefully the eyes will be fixed when you Skin that other than that it loks pretty good

seks03
10-23-2002, 06:36 AM
has there been any work done to this model toonces?

to everyone who wants to see all of this models pictures can visit

http://www.jedimoves.com/

under the request page

MysticSpade
10-23-2002, 07:24 AM
has anyone taken up the task of finishin the Ep2 Obi wan model by Tex as well. i thought it looked rather nice.

superdude201
10-23-2002, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by MysticSpade
has anyone taken up the task of finishin the Ep2 Obi wan model by Tex as well. i thought it looked rather nice.

Yeah i thought that model looked cool too and i was wondering the other day what had happend to it.

Kururin
10-23-2002, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by seks03
has there been any work done to this model toonces?

to everyone who wants to see all of this models pictures can visit

http://www.jedimoves.com/

under the request page


Quit talking about that site it's stupid anyways. or you can put it in your signature.

-s/<itzo-
10-25-2002, 12:40 PM
hey toonces i have an idea. make an anakin skin using tex's epI obi as the base.

just for now till' terc finishes his model.

and since you're busy skinning tex's models consider mars to skin it, he's pretty good. anybody seen his latest qui gon skin, very accurate i might add. and i think with his talent he can pull it off.

what do you think????

Eldritch
10-25-2002, 12:52 PM
Jolts has an excellent ep1 Obi wan model as well... I believe it needs UVmaps and a skin though. He's not going to have much time with it because he's with WLS and they're about to get busy, so he's looking for someone to hand it off to. Anyone interested should contact him.

I also think that his model would make a better base for an Anakin skin... it's not quite as bulky as Tex's Obi Wan is, which is perfect for Anakin because he's skinny.

Phaedrus
10-25-2002, 03:01 PM
His nose seems a little off, can't quite put my finger on how though. Maybe once color's been added it'll look different.

Phaedrus
10-25-2002, 03:03 PM
and his mouth, he's usually got a pissed off look, or when he's fighting he sometimes has that look as if he's rolling his tongue around in his mouth. I'm just glad this is being brought back to life, this and the Ep. II are the 2 models I've wanted more than anything.

Toonces
10-25-2002, 03:19 PM
Alright guys, gonna need some good crits :) Arco put down a very nice base skin but the geometry is quite a bit off :(
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/obiearly.jpg

Professor Snape
10-25-2002, 04:28 PM
whoa he went from freaky and scary to right on. Great job toon

Toonces
10-25-2002, 04:34 PM
heh, thanks, I'm not sure he's right on yet though, Arco's skin may be, but the geometry is still a bit off, we'll keep tweaking :)

Originally posted by NeoMarz1 in the Qui-Gon thread

I Agree the model looks pretty good. How bout the polygons under the eyes (Obi). Do you think that is good enough?

I haven't taken a look at it yet, I'll do so now

keo718
10-25-2002, 08:24 PM
-Nose position is too low. Raise it up so that the start of the bridge is between the eyes.

-Move up the mouth along with the nose. It should be closer to the nose than it is now.

-The chin needs to be moved up alot.

-The eyes are too far apart.

http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/multimedia/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Images/Episode_1/Characters/Obi-Wan_Kenobi&image=owk-ig02.jpg&img=48&tt=

NeoMarz1
10-26-2002, 12:32 PM
Ok, Good news here I am working the skin out! I should have a full rough in tonight! I'm sending Toonces some screenshots, so stay tuned. It's looking real good. I got to get some web space, so I can get some screenshots out!

Toonces
10-26-2002, 03:42 PM
Cool Mars, I look forward to seeing it :)

Made a few tweaks
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/obiearly10.jpg

I have a very good idea of what other changes I have to make to have it be more accurate, I'm going to wait until I get a new skin from Arco.

12thMonkey
10-26-2002, 06:49 PM
His chin in general looks far to fat and makes the face seem chubby.

Eldritch
10-26-2002, 08:09 PM
I have to agree... his face is definitely weird. And with the grey hair and sagging face, he reminds me of my grandmother...

And are those violet eyes? Freaky, Toonces...

Toonces
10-26-2002, 10:34 PM
heh, yeah, just a placeholder, his eyes will be a different color soon

An update from Mars, using the OLD head, I just sent him the tweaks. Head is Photosourced which Mars is exceptionally good at doing properly :)

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/final1.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/final2.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/final3.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/final4.jpg

Hellfire Jedi
10-26-2002, 10:40 PM
Topic says it all :D,
And Toonces a few things that skin mars did looks great
When do u plan on releasing mace, obi, and qui
and (sorry im going off topic =/) what server do u go on for promod?

keo718
10-26-2002, 11:24 PM
Those skins by Mars look good. Any head on shots? Good job with the tweaks as well. Just a few things.

-Raise his jawbone slightly. Right now the area between his jaw and chin sag downward.
-Try moving his eyes and eyebrows closer together, and down a bit.
-The chin and overall head(including the hair) should be a bit more narrow.
-Finally, his ears are too big.

edit: Eyes are also too big vertically.

http://www.geocities.com/eo718/owk-ig02.jpg

copy & paste

AlzWisHum
10-26-2002, 11:31 PM
I usually do not make any remark posts, but... I'd like to say: Quite excellent; this model and Mace are amazing, indeed! Really great work!

May the Force be with ya! ;)

NeoMarz1
10-27-2002, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S
Jolts has an excellent ep1 Obi wan model as well... I believe it needs UVmaps and a skin though. He's not going to have much time with it because he's with WLS and they're about to get busy, so he's looking for someone to hand it off to. Anyone interested should contact him.

I also think that his model would make a better base for an Anakin skin... it's not quite as bulky as Tex's Obi Wan is, which is perfect for Anakin because he's skinny.

I just finished an Anakin varient of the Obi Model. Toonces may post it soon! Mars out!

Eldritch
10-27-2002, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Toonces
heh, yeah, just a placeholder, his eyes will be a different color soon

An update from Mars, using the OLD head, I just sent him the tweaks. Head is Photosourced which Mars is exceptionally good at doing properly :)

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/final1.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/final2.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/final3.jpg
http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/final4.jpg

I figured it was a placeholder, Toonces. About Mars' Obi skin... all I can say is wow. I've never actually seen a photosourced face done well before (they've all just been primitive cut, paste & smear/blend jobs)... would like to see some close ups of that face. As for the nitpicking, Keo beat me to it, but it's amazing what a great skin will do.

And I would very much like to see that Anakin variant Mars said he finished, Toonces... so whenever you get around to posting pics again, post some of those please. :D

Primrodo
10-27-2002, 01:59 AM
The buckle looks wrong Toonces...Looks more anakin like

NeoMarz1
10-27-2002, 11:49 AM
I just got an excellent idea! Im gonna do a "Dark apprentice" Varient... With a Black robe. The robe seems to cause a lot of clipping, but if Obi's outfit was all black, it would be less apparent. Mars out!

MysticSpade
10-27-2002, 12:24 PM
so does this mean it will be out shortly. or are you still doing some tweaks.

Arco
10-27-2002, 12:25 PM
hey mars not bad but there is problems that come with photosourcing (which is why I don't do it) your hues are way off.... He needs to be more pasty faced and put some colour variation in there. Also it looks like he lacks texture on his face and the hair is wacky right now. Also seams appear to be everywhere on him. Nontheless... GREAT job.

Expect an update from me soon guys... just as soon as I finish mace windu.

Arco:deathii:

NeoMarz1
10-27-2002, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Arco
hey mars not bad but there is problems that come with photosourcing (which is why I don't do it) your hues are way off.... He needs to be more pasty faced and put some colour variation in there. Also it looks like he lacks texture on his face and the hair is wacky right now. Also seams appear to be everywhere on him. Nontheless... GREAT job.

Expect an update from me soon guys... just as soon as I finish mace windu.

Arco:deathii:

I agree with your points, The hair looks pretty crazy up close (this I know), one problem I find when using characters with realistic (fine detailed hair) is that it looks like salt and pepper when being rendered in the game. Also colors (when being rendered in the game) tend to be way lighter than the actual textures. Example: Obi's tunic is cream colored, but in the game comes out to be way to white... I may adjust this not sure.

Yeah, I agree on the "lack of texture" as well. I tend to like a smooth look, which is my own flaw. I am going to work this out. Thanks, Arco. I really have hoped to here a critique from you. Thanks again. Mars out!

Gen_Blade
10-27-2002, 02:09 PM
will there be a version without the cloke ?

t3rr0r
10-27-2002, 02:09 PM
the tunic looks peach coloured... it's really off-white. http://www.theforce.net/multimedia/archive/Images/Episode_1/Characters/Obi-Wan_Kenobi/swig104.jpg

Toonces
10-27-2002, 02:19 PM
There will be a version without the robe, the default actually doesn't have a robe on :)

I just got a early pk3 from Mars, when I have a few seconds I'll pop him ingame and take some screenies for you guys

AlzWisHum
10-27-2002, 10:12 PM
Hey Toonces,

I had a crazy idea: What if you'd create a hooded version also?

I am not very knowledgeable about modelling, but what if you make a "detached hood", just like the robe is? That would be awesome!

Just a thought...

Again: May the Force be with you... :cool:

NeoMarz1
10-28-2002, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by t3rr0r
the tunic looks peach coloured... it's really off-white. http://www.theforce.net/multimedia/archive/Images/Episode_1/Characters/Obi-Wan_Kenobi/swig104.jpg

You have quite a clean photo, a lot of my photo sources show a dirty tunic. I am going to re work the colors to find a good medium between the 2. Mars out!

Jolts
10-28-2002, 04:22 PM
http://www.kevinevans.com/pages/game_art_frame.htm

has a good qui gon reference that can be used for all jedi, its old school but still have the nice fades and dirtyness.

http://geocities.com/joltsone/osb1.txt

http://geocities.com/joltsone/osb3.txt

http://geocities.com/joltsone/osb2.txt

all ingame lower res textures, but might give you some ideas.

fat_101
10-29-2002, 10:23 AM
woah jolts what games that from (if its from a game that is)


FATTEH

Arco
10-29-2002, 12:41 PM
looks like the obi wan game for xbox... and it also looks rather odd. Not the best texture work ever... but the hues etc are indeed spot on... probly cos they had access to the props the gits. not to worry tho guys my skin will be just as good if not better... i gurantee it!

Arco:deathii:

fat_101
10-29-2002, 06:27 PM
eeewwwww u said x-box :barf:

arco i already new urs would be better they always are :D

FATTEH

Darkchyld
10-30-2002, 12:44 AM
VERY cool. Is there any way possible you can release this as a SP skin mod as well? I would absolutely love to tool around as Obi in SP.

Deetox187
10-30-2002, 04:23 AM
Just finished up the sounds for Obi-Wan, sorry it took so long i've been a little busy.

Originally i was going to include a bunch of taunts and stuff from Ep2 but i decided not to use very many cause i wanted it to sound at least somewhat Ep1'ish. So since i had all these sounds left over i also made an Ep2 Obi-Wan soundpack just for the hell of it, i don't know if Toonces is going to work on Tex's Ep2 Obi model or not but whoever is might like to use the sounds when the time comes.

hope you guys like. :)

http://www.geocities.com/deetox1900/Obi-Wan_Ep1.zip

http://www.geocities.com/deetox1900/Obi-Wan_Ep2.zip

(right click save target as)

btw the model looks GREAT with the Marz skin, can't wait to see Arco's work.

NeoMarz1
10-30-2002, 03:28 PM
Hey Deetox, Yeah we want sounds for this model, I just e-mailed Toonces. If your interested in doing the taunts set up, e-mail Toonces or post here. I dont know if we have anyone lined up, at any rate we would love to look over anything that you may have. Mars out!

NeoMarz1
10-30-2002, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Deetox187
Just finished up the sounds for Obi-Wan, sorry it took so long i've been a little busy.

Originally i was going to include a bunch of taunts and stuff from Ep2 but i decided not to use very many cause i wanted it to sound at least somewhat Ep1'ish. So since i had all these sounds left over i also made an Ep2 Obi-Wan soundpack just for the hell of it, i don't know if Toonces is going to work on Tex's Ep2 Obi model or not but whoever is might like to use the sounds when the time comes.

hope you guys like. :)

http://www.geocities.com/deetox1900/Obi-Wan_Ep1.zip

http://www.geocities.com/deetox1900/Obi-Wan_Ep2.zip

(right click save target as)

btw the model looks GREAT with the Marz skin, can't wait to see Arco's work.
forgive me, but Toonces hasn't let me in on who is doing the taunts for the Obi-model. If your lined up for this, please let me know. Are you actually going to set up the pk3, when were in the finishing stages? Please post back, Mars out!

Arco
10-30-2002, 04:57 PM
well I think any sounds would be helpful. Anyway My skin is getting there and the tweaks toonces and me are doing are really halping the model pop.

I should have some screens of the body (which will be an edited mace windu texture) later on and new shots of teh face for crit also.

Arco:deathii:

NeoMarz1
10-30-2002, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Arco
well I think any sounds would be helpful. Anyway My skin is getting there and the tweaks toonces and me are doing are really halping the model pop.

I should have some screens of the body (which will be an edited mace windu texture) later on and new shots of teh face for crit also.

Arco:deathii:

Hey Arco, are you aware if Toonces is working out clipping problems with the robe?

Deetox187
10-30-2002, 09:43 PM
Heh yeah i already had it worked out with Toonces that i was doing the sounds, i did them for Mace and Qui-Gon also. :)

As for setting up the pk3 in the final stages i doubt Toonces would need me for that but if so i'd be glad to do it.

NeoMarz1
10-31-2002, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Deetox187
Heh yeah i already had it worked out with Toonces that i was doing the sounds, i did them for Mace and Qui-Gon also. :)

As for setting up the pk3 in the final stages i doubt Toonces would need me for that but if so i'd be glad to do it.

Awesome Deetox! I was concerned about who was going to work these out! Mars out!

Toonces
10-31-2002, 04:23 PM
Yeah, thanks Deetox, the new sounds are very sweet :D I haven't been able to pack up the new Obi sounds and test them out ingame yet, I'll do it today :)

Deetox187
10-31-2002, 05:02 PM
Cool, hope they sound good with the model. :)

NeoMarz1
11-02-2002, 02:47 PM
Well the skin is finished, I just sent it to Toonces. Here is what you will see.
1) Unrobed version
2) Robed
3) Sith Varient (With black robe)
4) Red/Blue team varient (Both represent Obi as a Imperial or Rebel force adept.)

I chose to drop the Anakin varient (since I may be working on an actual Anakin model). We should have some screenshots up soon.... stay posted. Mars out!

_NinjaGaiden_
11-02-2002, 09:12 PM
so is it gonna be released soon now :) i cant wait! hehe sorry good work guys i sometimes get a little over excited

Pnut_Man
11-02-2002, 09:32 PM
My god..this model is finally done..Thank you god

I CANT WAIT FOR THE ROBED VERSION

MARZ YOU KICK @SS
And thx to the excellent modellers who modelled the damn thing :p

t3rr0r
11-02-2002, 11:02 PM
uh, as far as i know, arco isn't finished yet... so the model probable won't be released until then.

-s/<itzo-
11-03-2002, 02:47 AM
marz glad to hear that. coming from you i know this obi model is going to be great.

seks03
11-03-2002, 03:24 AM
are there going to be multiple tuants or just one? and Marz are you going to do a anakin of your own or take over tercero? great to hear that this model is almost out.... you guys work fast.

NeoMarz1
11-03-2002, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Pnut_Master
My god..this model is finally done..Thank you god

I CANT WAIT FOR THE ROBED VERSION

MARZ YOU KICK @SS
And thx to the excellent modellers who modelled the damn thing :p

Well I'd like to say that its done, but the model itself is getting a little rework. Have patience all, it will be soon. We want to try and release these together (I think thats the idea). I am a little ahead of the curve on Obi because...

1) I like to work fast! (very impatient)
2) No one's offering any change requests (yet)
3) I started the skin before I received the model.

example, I have started the skins for the Anakin model (which I havent recieved yet).

NeoMarz1
11-03-2002, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by seks03
are there going to be multiple tuants or just one? and Marz are you going to do a anakin of your own or take over tercero? great to hear that this model is almost out.... you guys work fast.

Im not sure if the "Tercero model" is the same as the one put forward by Deetox, but that's the one im working on. I still need to learn how to model:(

Eldritch
11-03-2002, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by NeoMarz1


Im not sure if the "Tercero model" is the same as the one put forward by Deetox, but that's the one im working on. I still need to learn how to model:(

It's not. The one you're working on is basically a version of Obi-Wan by Jolts. Jolts pushed some verts around to try and make it look more like Anakin. It's good, but it's definitely not Tercero's.

And seks, for a guy with a website dedicated (among other things) to modeling updates, you sure are slow on the uptake. :D

Toonces
11-03-2002, 07:13 PM
Sorry mars, I haven't been able to take any screenies for you, I'll take some tonight and post them. The skin looks really good, the only thing I question is the very slight pinkish hue on the clothing for the default Obi. I'll post it and you guys can see what I'm talking about.

On the release of the model, were going to wait until Arco finishes his skin, call me a sucker for hand painted faces :D

Phaedrus
11-03-2002, 07:31 PM
I'm so happy, this is the one model I've wanted more than any, just above Darth Maul, if you could see the grin on my face.

NeoMarz1
11-04-2002, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Toonces
Sorry mars, I haven't been able to take any screenies for you, I'll take some tonight and post them. The skin looks really good, the only thing I question is the very slight pinkish hue on the clothing for the default Obi. I'll post it and you guys can see what I'm talking about.

On the release of the model, were going to wait until Arco finishes his skin, call me a sucker for hand painted faces :D

Yeah, I already made the change. should be in the new pk3 I sent. Mars out!

NeoMarz1
11-04-2002, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S


It's not. The one you're working on is basically a version of Obi-Wan by Jolts. Jolts pushed some verts around to try and make it look more like Anakin. It's good, but it's definitely not Tercero's.

And seks, for a guy with a website dedicated (among other things) to modeling updates, you sure are slow on the uptake. :D


Ooooops! My bad.... your right, it's Jolts's model. God I feel dum. My apologies to Joltz. It gets that way when your juggeling a dozen names. :D

Marz out!

Toonces
11-07-2002, 01:16 PM
Nah, Arco has been really busy so he hasn't gotten his skin finished yet, should be finished soon though :)

[JKZ]_Yun
11-07-2002, 02:02 PM
nice model Toonces
i can't wait:shads3:

[JKZ]_Yun
11-07-2002, 02:33 PM
what program do you use Toonces i love this model :D

Hekx
11-08-2002, 01:53 AM
Any newer pictures of the model?
I can't wait for this one.
I always played Jedi Power Battles as Obi-wan, because he rules in EP1.
Anyone know of the latest news on this model?
I know Toonces and the other guys are working on Qui-Gon, Mace Windu, and Plo Koon. :eek:

keo718
11-09-2002, 03:02 PM
Alright fellas, here are some pictures of the Obi-Wan skin by Mars....

http://www.geocities.com/eo718/ObiIconspread.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/eo718/ObiFinalx.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/eo718/ObiProfilex.jpg

** Copy & Paste **

EDIT: Hey Toonces, if your still making geometric changes, you may want to move his eyebrows and eyes down while shortening the nose. Also, move the lips and bottom of nose up slightly.

http://www.geocities.com/eo718/owk-ig02.jpg

** Copy & Paste **

Hellfire Jedi
11-09-2002, 03:06 PM
mm i like there nice

Toonces
11-09-2002, 03:50 PM
I'm still making geometric changes, I'm just waiting on Arco before I do any more. Not to take anything away from Mars's skin, it's very good, but I just prefer painted faces rather than photosourced.

keo, quick question, did you take those pics?

keo718
11-09-2002, 05:30 PM
Nah, those pics were sent to me by Mars. He doesn't have webspace to post them.

JediLoaf
11-09-2002, 05:49 PM
this is looking great! do you mind if when its done, it can be included in our mod, Jedi Apprentice (http://ja.ravencommunity.net), as he would talk to the main character and give him pointers...

Good Job all!

omeo7
11-09-2002, 06:37 PM
Great work. Although this is likely coming very late, I think that the nose needs some work, both on the modeling and skinning side.

I also think that the hairline needs some tweakng. The texture work needs to be a little softer at the very edges, as right now it has a little to much of a 'helmet' feel to it.

I think that with a few tweaks this could be one of the best JK2 models ever done.

NeoMarz1
11-10-2002, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by Toonces
I'm still making geometric changes, I'm just waiting on Arco before I do any more. Not to take anything away from Mars's skin, it's very good, but I just prefer painted faces rather than photosourced.

keo, quick question, did you take those pics?

Toonces I know you mean well, but... my skin is hand painted. It's true I start with a photo source, but it is only a checks and measure to keep it more accurate. I use "enlarged grain" tool in photo shop to maintain a photo appearance. I just wanted to say that, because I am an artist... and I dont want anyone to assume I am a cheater of some sort. I work fast... Photo sourcing is only a way for me to work quicker, eliminating hours of "tweak this and tweak that". In essence when you look at a photo as reference... your already photo sourcing. It takes a lot of time to find the right photo. This particular photo wasn't even from the movie! I actually had to change his eyebrows and skin tone to match that of the movie. If you don't use all the tools available to you then your only cheating yourself.

Here is a link to my published works portfolio (my other job is a freelance comics artist for Anarctic Press).
http://members.aol.com/NeoMarz1/box/page1.htm

Hekx
11-10-2002, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by keo718
Alright fellas, here are some pictures of the Obi-Wan skin by Mars....

http://www.geocities.com/eo718/ObiIconspread.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/eo718/ObiFinalx.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/eo718/ObiProfilex.jpg

** Copy & Paste **Very very very nice :thumbsup:
If only I could marry the model :(

P.S. Mars, love your ObiVM skin:), gonna make any updates to it or are you working more on a skin for the Obi model?

Toonces
11-10-2002, 02:23 AM
I didn't mean to offend you, I was simply expressing my oppinion about photo sourced skins. I'm not knocking you as an artist, that was about as far from my intent as possible. I simply prefer from scratch, hand painted textures.

As photo sourced skins go yours is about as good as it gets, if anyone is intrested, crack open your assets0.pk3 file and check out the Luke skin, or Lando skin, they are photo sourced and not even half as good as yours are Mars

If you think I was insulting your ability as an artist I appolgise, but that's truely not what I intended to do. I don't even skin my own models because they wouldn't meet my own standards

MysticSpade
11-10-2002, 03:48 AM
so Toonces what kinda tweaks are u doin B4 the final release. just wonderin to see what your minds-eye is comin up with.

PalnGipanji
11-10-2002, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by keo718
Alright fellas, here are some pictures of the Obi-Wan skin by Mars....

http://www.geocities.com/eo718/ObiIconspread.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/eo718/ObiFinalx.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/eo718/ObiProfilex.jpg

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EDIT: Hey Toonces, if your still making geometric changes, you may want to move his eyebrows and eyes down while shortening the nose. Also, move the lips and bottom of nose up slightly.

http://www.geocities.com/eo718/owk-ig02.jpg

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Sorry to bring this up on your WIP thread, Toonces, but...

Come on keo... Copy and Paste? It would take you all of 2 seconds to replace .jpg with .txt. Your screens are almost always helpful, but the effort just to look at them, especially when there is an alternative solution, is just ridiculous. Could you, and all other Geocities members please use .txt to make the link usable? Thanks for the consideration. Now back to your regularly-scheduled WIP.

JediLoaf
11-10-2002, 06:16 AM
have you got any in game fighting screens? Like on the QuiGon Jinn thread on polycount, fight Darth Maul at the Naboo Reactor?

frendon
11-10-2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by PalnGipanji
Come on keo... Copy and Paste? It would take you all of 2 seconds to replace .jpg with .txt. Your screens are almost always helpful, but the effort just to look at them, especially when there is an alternative solution, is just ridiculous. Could you, and all other Geocities members please use .txt to make the link usable?

I think that if the extension is changed to txt it won't work either, Geocities just doesn't support remote link to pics, BTW great work Toonces and Marz!!! I agree that it still needs some more tweaking, but is looking really good so far.
I'm looking forward to see what you can do with the quigon model Marz, i loved your quigonvm skins for the jeditrainer model, i made just a little change to it that i thought made him look more like quigon.
http://bellsouthpwp.net/f/r/frendonb/quigonvm.jpg

NeoMarz1
11-10-2002, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Toonces
I didn't mean to offend you, I was simply expressing my oppinion about photo sourced skins. I'm not knocking you as an artist, that was about as far from my intent as possible. I simply prefer from scratch, hand painted textures.

As photo sourced skins go yours is about as good as it gets, if anyone is intrested, crack open your assets0.pk3 file and check out the Luke skin, or Lando skin, they are photo sourced and not even half as good as yours are Mars

If you think I was insulting your ability as an artist I appolgise, but that's truely not what I intended to do. I don't even skin my own models because they wouldn't meet my own standards

That's cool Toonces. I just get a little weird sometimes. I know you didnt mean it that way. I agree that Arco has done an incredible job. I truly understand what you mean... he has worked hard to get his Mace just right, and I can appreciate that. I just feel like "the guy in the background", and I'm trying to come to terms with that. It's hard being an artist, because you put it all out in front for all to see. You have to be able to accept that not everyone is going like it. I can handle most people criticizing my work, but it's harder when it comes from someone whom you respect.

Sincerely, "The Drama King"... Mars Marshall

Arco
11-10-2002, 11:33 AM
http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/ep1obi.jpg

update. I am getting there not to worry... hope you guys like. There is probly more tweeks to be done... but the guy has such a "nonperson" face..... it sucks!

mars-photosourcing is cool..... but it can very easily detract from a model. You seem to know what you are doing tho.... I would say you need to get more texture into your skins... your cloth is often lacking a certain something. But yer faces on the other hand are always cool keep it up dude!

Arco:deathii:

NeoMarz1
11-10-2002, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by frendon


I think that if the extension is changed to txt it won't work either, Geocities just doesn't support remote link to pics, BTW great work Toonces and Marz!!! I agree that it still needs some more tweaking, but is looking really good so far.
I'm looking forward to see what you can do with the quigon model Marz, i loved your quigonvm skins for the jeditrainer model, i made just a little change to it that i thought made him look more like quigon.
http://bellsouthpwp.net/f/r/frendonb/quigonvm.jpg

Very cool! I considered making his hair like that myself. I did a similar thing with my "Adi Gallia" skin (with her tendrils). I got a lot of negative feedback, so decided not to do that on the Qui-Gon skin, but personally I think it works to some degree. Nice job, Mars out!;)

NeoMarz1
11-10-2002, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Hekx Noxu
Very very very nice :thumbsup:
If only I could marry the model :(

P.S. Mars, love your ObiVM skin:), gonna make any updates to it or are you working more on a skin for the Obi model?

well.... no I dont plan anymore updates on ObiVM (the old skin). This model is really going to work well, and if anything I will update newer versions on this model. Hey, thanks for the comment. It's nice to here that people still appreciate my older skins! Mars out!

NeoMarz1
11-10-2002, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Arco
http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/ep1obi.jpg

update. I am getting there not to worry... hope you guys like. There is probly more tweeks to be done... but the guy has such a "nonperson" face..... it sucks!

mars-photosourcing is cool..... but it can very easily detract from a model. You seem to know what you are doing tho.... I would say you need to get more texture into your skins... your cloth is often lacking a certain something. But yer faces on the other hand are always cool keep it up dude!

Arco:deathii:

Yeah, I know what it's lacking...
1) I tend to make subtle folds in the cloth. They should be more bold, and more contrasty like yours.
2) I Spend less time on details (like stitching, pockets, etc..)
3) and I dont like to use "cloth texturing tools", which can help if used at the right contrast/sizing.

These are things that I have tried to correct with this skin/model.

Arco
11-10-2002, 12:06 PM
hmmmm who uses "cloth texturing tools"? Well yeah I used to... but I got a great tip.... on a new layer fill in 50%grey then do a noise filter.... motion blur it straight down so you get a lot of straight lines... set it to sommat like overlay or softlight an then duplicate the layer and turn it by 90 degrees... you get a very nice clothy tweedy texture... puuuurfect for for a jedi an his course hard clothes. Anyhew do sommat like that dude... an bold is always good as in the game it makes it easier to identify with. Rock on!

anyhew! Onwards an upwards. I will update later tonite with a more final skin.... expect to be blown away... or not. but remember... you're my number one guy!

Arco:deathii:

NeoMarz1
11-10-2002, 12:42 PM
That is a good tip. Very smart, I'll have to try it.

Hey... your doing Obi now:confused:


:eek: I guess I'm confused...

Mars out.

Arco
11-10-2002, 12:47 PM
er i don't know why you are confused dude. I have always been doing obi... since the begining. I just got bogged down with other ****. But i am making some time to get my older projects finished off. Simple.

Arco:deathii:

nucular_jedi_14
11-10-2002, 12:50 PM
he looks awsome!

NeoMarz1
11-10-2002, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Arco
er i don't know why you are confused dude. I have always been doing obi... since the begining. I just got bogged down with other ****. But i am making some time to get my older projects finished off. Simple.

Arco:deathii:

O.k.
I knew you had, I guess no one is keeping me in the loop. No one has e-mailed me in a while. I'm glad to see your working on this one. He looks great! Talk to you later man.

Toonces
11-10-2002, 01:03 PM
I think there has been a little major confusion going on, Arco was origionally skining Obi, but he's been really bogged down so I wasn't sure if he had the time to finish Obi. I'll get this cleared up, I just think it was a major communication problem on my part. I'm starting to tick you off I think Mars, and really, that was not my intent, I really dig your skins, and wanted you to work on him as well. I'm planing on includeing both skins when I release him

Anyway, I'll get this sorted out

Toonces
11-10-2002, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by NeoMarz1
I guess no one is keeping me in the loop. No one has e-mailed me in a while

This is my fault, it's suddenly gotten really busy around here, and I've let me e-mail backup quite a bit. It gets confusing working on so many models at once, I have nobody to blame but myself though

Enjoi9187
11-10-2002, 01:11 PM
nice, 1 sugg. the braid. I dunno if that is skinned or modeled, but it should only be about a foot long. Also, if you could, try to make the face a bit more saturated, he looks kinda pale (that may just be the jpeg though or my brightness and contrast)

Hekx
11-10-2002, 03:10 PM
Has anyone done any of the sounds for the Obi model yet?
I added some sounds to the Obi VM skin by Mars because I didn't like the Jedi sounds.
I have some sound files of Obi and Qui-Gon if any of you guys want them. The Qui-Gon ones sound better.
I may even try and tweak the sounds one day :)
If you want the files, just let me know. I think I have the updated ObiVM and Qui-Gon VM with sounds uploaded somewhere :confused:

Padawan_7
11-10-2002, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Hekx Noxu
Has anyone done any of the sounds for the Obi model yet?


Deetox has. He's doing the sounds.

JediLoaf
11-10-2002, 04:43 PM
Wanted Models that takes years to release:

Mace Windu
Obi Wan Kenobi
QuiGon Jinn
(I'm sure theres more :))


Where are they? You're loyal supporters are deperate!

t3rr0r
11-10-2002, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by JediLoaf
Where are they? You're loyal supporters are deperate!
maybe if you read the rest of the thread you'd know what's going on.

JediLoaf
11-10-2002, 04:48 PM
i have read it, im just one of those people who loves these kinds of models...


btw i can't wait to make myself some SP character replacements...

Arco
11-10-2002, 07:40 PM
it is gonna come with a sp player version... so you won't have to bother making one.

I have been watching TV so no updates from me... ahahaha

arco:deathii:

frendon
11-10-2002, 07:43 PM
Shouldn't this thread be called "WIP Episode I Obi-Wan by Tex360, Arco, NeoMarz1 and Myself" ?

NeoMarz1
11-10-2002, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Toonces
I think there has been a little major confusion going on, Arco was origionally skining Obi, but he's been really bogged down so I wasn't sure if he had the time to finish Obi. I'll get this cleared up, I just think it was a major communication problem on my part. I'm starting to tick you off I think Mars, and really, that was not my intent, I really dig your skins, and wanted you to work on him as well. I'm planing on includeing both skins when I release him

Anyway, I'll get this sorted out

Hey, Thats cool. It just concerned me because I havent heard anything for awhile. I know he was slated for all of em, I should feel so lucky as to work on this one. I know your busy. No I'm not pissed, I just felt as though my work was no longer desired. That can tend to crush the creative spine. That's cool, just do what you feel. If you release both, then I guess me and Arco can feel good about that. Take care, Mars out!

JediLoaf
11-11-2002, 03:34 AM
WIP Episode I Obi-Wan by Tex360, Arco, Me, Myself and Irene


:p

Hekx
11-11-2002, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by frendon
Shouldn't this thread be called "WIP Episode I Obi-Wan by Tex360, Arco, NeoMarz1 and Myself" ?

You can't change the forum topic name, maybe who ever posted the first post should write down the current team working on the finished model package ;)

Toonces
11-11-2002, 02:13 PM
heh, Mars wasn't part of the project when I made this thread, but he is now, if I could change the title it I would, but it's all good, he'll be in the credits when it's released

Mars, I'm sorry I haven't kept you as up to date as I should have. It's been very crazy around here and I've let my e-mail back up bigtime. Anyway, I'm glad you both are working on him, your facial skin even without the geometric tweaks I have yet too make, has a dead on resembelence :) I'm honored to have you aboard Mars :)

Anyway, I'm gonna post a few pics, I still need to make some geometric tweaks so I definatly could use the crits

Eets
11-11-2002, 02:16 PM
Title changed. ;)

Toonces
11-11-2002, 02:24 PM
heh, Eets doing his admin thing, thanks :D

Anyway, a couple of shots, both faces, any crits are welcome, just gotta get the geometry right :)

http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/arcoobi1.jpg
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/marsobi1.jpg
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/arcoobi2.jpg
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/marsobi2.jpg

skywalker19
11-11-2002, 02:36 PM
looking great guys,although on mar's face,the nose looks a tad big,probably just me :p

keep up the good work,cant wait! :D

Hellfire Jedi
11-11-2002, 02:39 PM
Wow,
There both awesome!!
I think u guys should throw both the skins in a back cuz there equally good i see nothing wrong with them seeing this makes me look up to the release some more ;)

Phaedrus
11-11-2002, 03:13 PM
Yeah I really like Mars, but my only complaint is the nose.

Other than that, both are excellent. I especially like the cleanliness of Arco's.

[JKZ]_Yun
11-11-2002, 03:28 PM
OH MY GOD :eek: look's Awesome skins :eek: i can't wait :yobi: :saberb: :freakout:

frendon
11-11-2002, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Eets
Title changed. ;)
Yaay i was heard!! :D
I love both skins, they look great, i really like the face in marz' skin but the hair looks better on Arco's.

keo718
11-11-2002, 03:54 PM
Anyway, a couple of shots, both faces, any crits are welcome, just gotta get the geometry right

EDIT: Hey Toonces, if your still making geometric changes, you may want to move his eyebrows and eyes down while shortening the nose. Also, move the lips and bottom of nose up slightly.

http://www.geocities.com/eo718/owk-ig02.jpg

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EDIT: Its the shading around the nose that makes Mars' look big.

JediLoaf
11-11-2002, 03:55 PM
hey Arco, constructive crit here, i think the lips look a little too realistic. I think they should be toned down to blend with the rest of the model...


hey, im not complaining... :bdroid1:

Darth Vader III
11-11-2002, 04:18 PM
Very, very, good but... I think the nose is too long and wide and I don't know what about him but something makes him look like his from the military.

JediLoaf
11-11-2002, 04:45 PM
the colour of the robes i suspect....

Arco
11-11-2002, 06:24 PM
hohoho! ok I will change the lips they do indeed suck. I am still far from finished... he needs some more defined shadows on his face yet! heh toonces is tweeking mesh now... once he has done that an i get a new glm i will do more skin tweeks an then we are done.... but it will be a while as there is 3 models an we have to get them all sorted out an ready for release..... a total NIGHTMARE!

Arco:deathii:

Toonces
11-11-2002, 06:35 PM
Yeah, I made some quick tweaks, brought the mouth and eyes down a little which changed the shape of the noze a little bit. I still think there is a bit more to do but I'll send the glm out to Arco and mars before I make anymore bigtime tweaks

Just a bit more time and we're gonna dump these three Jedi on everybody :D

Psyk0Sith
11-11-2002, 06:59 PM
Sorry to be off topic but i need to contact neomarz.

so marz if you read this, please contact me, i need a skinner for Yarael Poof.

private message or mail:
psykopat@geocities.com

Thanx!

P.S.: awesome job so far. keep it up guys!

NeoMarz1
11-11-2002, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by skywalker19
looking great guys,although on mar's face,the nose looks a tad big,probably just me :p

keep up the good work,cant wait! :D

Yeah I agree about the nose, I'll see what I can do. Mars out!

NeoMarz1
11-12-2002, 12:30 AM
Great news!!! Just got Toonces last model tweak. It's turning out to be very close to a "Obi clone". You could almost just throw a flesh colored matt over the top, and still recognize it! Matter O Fact I basically pushed out some of my tones/shades, and let most of the model features sell themselves. My skin did need to be adjusted, this improved both the nose and jawline. Wish I had a screenshot to show, but there are more changes in store. Stay tuned, I'm sure Toonces will get something up. Mars out!

P.S. Toonces it seemed that the ears were no longer mapped, My skin didnt show that texture (probably cuz your still working it out!);)

skywalker19
11-12-2002, 01:30 AM
nice marz,i friggin cant wait! would you say were gettin close to a release(i really hate askin,sorry).

Toonces
11-12-2002, 07:08 PM
Updates all around :D Still tweaking. Any crits would be most helpful :)

http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/newobi1.jpg
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/Obi%20Comparison.jpg

Enjoi9187
11-12-2002, 07:17 PM
Nice, on the fist pic, his mole is a bit more to his eye, than to his cheek, also, if you look at the pics, he doesnt have an upper eyelid (at elast it doenst show), it is like, some fat from his eyebrow connects to his eye, otehr than those 2 it looks really good. Also, try to ive more definition on the line between his eyebrows as in the pics. Its hard to describe but see how it kinda rounds off at a difinite corner on his eyebrows? there is like an upside down T, im sure you know what i mean. Nice job altogether

On the bottom pic, his nose bridge is too narrow, maybe fatten it up and round out the tip.

Arco
11-12-2002, 09:20 PM
http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/obi-fin.jpg

update. this is pretty much final now. a few more tweeks on the mesh toonces is doing and also a few more texture tweeks from me. yay!

Arco:deathii:

mariners2001
11-12-2002, 09:26 PM
both look very nice.

for arco: the eyes are very, very blue. maybe a darker shade would look better? besides that, maybe some stubble and a bit more yellow in his face would give him the complete look...

for marz: the face is basically dead on. only thing i'd say is to make the hair look better, it doesn't look right at the moment. besides that, i think the eyebrows are too square and should be rounder.

looks great guys!

t3rr0r
11-12-2002, 10:08 PM
the shading in the eyes gives the impression that he's looking downward instead of straight ahead... maybe if the shadow on the eyes was at the top it would change that... and like mariners said, the eyes could be darkened slightly. also, perhaps you could adjust his brow so it looks a little more frown-like. looks good, though.

Toonces
11-12-2002, 10:09 PM
We came to the conclusion that his head was still a little TOO wide so I did a tiny bit of srinking. I think the geometry is just about right now :)

http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/newobi2.jpg

NeoMarz1
11-12-2002, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by mariners2001
both look very nice.

for marz: the face is basically dead on. only thing i'd say is to make the hair look better, it doesn't look right at the moment. besides that, i think the eyebrows are too square and should be rounder.

looks great guys!

I agree with you; However, I am finding it difficult to mess with the hair, and here is why... I have found that during game play, detailed hair tends to have a grainy salt and pepper appearance. I wanted Obi's spikey hair to show (because thats a predominating feature for the character). Since the model has a smooth surface for the hair (helmet like), it is very difficult to get that across. I know that it looks unfinished when viewed at great detail, but I'm between a rock and a hard place. Should I keep it as it is, so that it looks good in game, or detail the hell out of it, and have it come out as a "slicked back hair du".
Really, this is a question that I pose to you... what do you all think I should do?

Mars out.

Padawan_7
11-12-2002, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by NeoMarz1

Really, this is a question that I pose to you... what do you all think I should do?

I say go for the better in game look.
After all, that's what we will really see.

Oh, yeah, Marz, one question. Why does your skin have Obi-Wan with pinkish clothing?

mariners2001
11-12-2002, 10:28 PM
well, i see your point. it really isn't a huge problem to me the way it is now, but here's a suggestion: the wookiee model took advantage of shaders to make the hair look kind of scruffy and i think that effect (or something like it) would look nice on top of his hair. maybe toonces or someone can make the neccessary adjustments to the hair also...but like i said - it isn't a big deal on the hair. in the battle, it won't make a difference.

Toonces
11-12-2002, 11:08 PM
That's a good idea marriner, but doing that at this point is not realilstic. I'd have to completely reconstruct his head and add a whole bunch of extra flat planes to his head. It would take weeks.

Mars, do whatever your comfortable with man, I'd go for making it look good in game (Which it does now I think) Whatever you do I don't think it matters since your face is spot on already :)

Padawan_7, I beleive Mars fixed the hues on his clothing since he last sent me textures, so any shots that I took are using the old textures

NeoMarz1
11-13-2002, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by Padawan_7


I say go for the better in game look.
After all, that's what we will really see.

Oh, yeah, Marz, one question. Why does your skin have Obi-Wan with pinkish clothing?

I'm glad you asked this question... let me explain. All the screenshots that have been posted are shots from "Model View". Model View does not render light the same as in the game. If I made his Tunic true white, it would actually be so white that it would create a glare... Sooo, what you need to actually need to do is make it a medium grey; However, Obi's Tunic is actually a dirty (slight brown) white. In my earlier screens it was a little on the Peach side. I made this correction, but I may end up taking it to a grey, since no one seems to agree that it's in the hue that I'm using. It really comes down to which scene in the movie your looking at. In the beginning of the film Obi's Tunic is extremely clean (probably cuz he's on a diplomatic mission), Other scenes he looks more dirty. As a artist you know that there is no "True white" you will always see some color, because white is similar to silver. It reflects all the colors in the surounding environment (with white its very subtle). This is how crazy it can get when you study color theory! Too much color theory can be bad, since no one seems to care as much as an artist. Ooooops, I guess I got crazy on the explanation:rolleyes: Mars out!

Toonces
11-13-2002, 12:55 AM
Your right of cource, there really isn't a "true white" Besides, as you pointed out, the Q3 engine renders lighter colors like crap. Arco did a extremely light beige on his textures which seems to look quite nice in game.

Oh, and a lesson in color theory every once in a while is always good ;)

skywalker19
11-13-2002, 01:38 AM
wow guys,i really dont know what to say except this really is amazing! this has probably already been asked,but are there going to be multiple lod's?

cant wait guys.

p.s - toonces,how's the plo koon model coming along,havent heard anything on it for a while now.

omeo7
11-13-2002, 03:19 AM
The hair texture is nice, but there needs to be some more detail and blending around around the hairline. Both models have "helmet hair"

MysticSpade
11-13-2002, 03:22 AM
"helmet hair" cuz it looks more like a helmet. tru it is, but i think it's good and who's gonna stop in a fight and say your dude has hemet hair. also are their any in-game screens of Obi yet.

Padawan_7
11-13-2002, 04:06 AM
Thanks for clearing that up Marz and Toonces.

Padawan_7

Eldritch
11-13-2002, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by MysticSpade
who's gonna stop in a fight and say your dude has hemet hair.

I might, just because it'd be funny. But then again, it may not look funny in game, so I'll just have to see some in-game shots. :D :xp:

[JKZ]_Yun
11-13-2002, 10:21 AM
nice Arco :thumbsup:

Darth Odisse
11-13-2002, 03:33 PM
A little off topic but whatever happened to the Episode II Obi-Wan?

JediLoaf
11-13-2002, 04:57 PM
to my knowledge, i believe it was being based on the qui gon model. You can see the post by going on the pimps and previews part of polycount forums..

Toonces
11-13-2002, 05:00 PM
I'm not sure exactly Odisse, I know KMan is extremely busy. I'm sure he'll get around to it, if not, I'll finish him up

A little update, Arco changed a few things around, and made new boots (very sweet)
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/newobi3.jpg

_NinjaGaiden_
11-13-2002, 05:05 PM
sweet Toonces .... sorry if this has been asked but...... in there going to be a sp version in the download? and a prospect release date? no rush and i dont want you to get annoyed but i cant wait to have obi wan tearing up the reborn and desann hehe

Kururin
11-13-2002, 05:37 PM
It's so great having the Image code on now :)

MysticSpade
11-13-2002, 05:48 PM
if i am correct in my assumption they are REAL near to completion. and someone posted the SP conversion will be included.

Arco
11-13-2002, 06:31 PM
aha! ingame shot! nearly there now!

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/obi-ingame.jpg

Arco:deathii:

Hellfire Jedi
11-13-2002, 06:40 PM
looks nice in-game *Can feel them guy soon*

but one thing uhhhhh the hands there HUGE

Enjoi9187
11-13-2002, 06:42 PM
YEY YEY YEY!!! btw, how about making a skin pack with mace and obi together >:)? just an idea

btw Hellfire Jedi, its the perspective, they arent actually taht big, people said that about qui gon too :), (i hope..) well if not.... u know what they say about big hands :) (big mittins....)

t3rr0r
11-13-2002, 06:52 PM
the hands do look big in the modview shot too... was the modview fov/camera mode the one that actually has depth to it, toonces? and in that same modview image, the brow of the skin looks a little too smooth/flat still...

MysticSpade
11-13-2002, 07:15 PM
that in game shot is precious o i love it.

mariners2001
11-13-2002, 07:56 PM
nice....but the hands are enormous!! you may want to think about reducing those.

Hellfire Jedi
11-13-2002, 07:58 PM
Deffinently
Mariners check ur PM's plz

MuRaSaMuNe
11-13-2002, 08:01 PM
The bottom pic with the 2 pics beside it is nearly perfect just the chin needs to be widened and the hair needs to be up more. The other one, the eyes need to be closer together other then that it looks perfect. And the hair may be too long..... I may be wrong sense I haven't seen Episode 1 for a long time but, I remember seeing the hair strand shorter, barely past his shoulder

Arco
11-13-2002, 09:17 PM
first off the hands are being redone. As I have been going mad for a long time at how much they suck... they are square and they are too big. toonces is already dealing with that.

And now more ingame pimpage... lots of movie type pics of him fighting a certain someone.....

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/obiwan/obiwan1.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/obiwan/obiwan2.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/obiwan/obiwan3.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/obiwan/obiwan4.jpg

a wallpaper-
http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/obiwan/obiwan-wall.jpg

heehee he be out soon!

Arco:deathii:

NeoMarz1
11-13-2002, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by omeo7
The hair texture is nice, but there needs to be some more detail and blending around around the hairline. Both models have "helmet hair"

No I totally disagree!!!!!!!!! It does not look like helmet hair... Everyone knows that in order for it to pass as helmet hair, You have to have a chin strap! Do you see a chin strap? I don't! There is no chin strap, and I dont see a face visor thingy either... Do you? I don't!

Toonces! We need a chin strap! Can you model that? Get right on it, and Me and Arco will start working the textures out. By god we will make the greatest model known to mankind! :D Mars out ;)

MysticSpade
11-13-2002, 09:23 PM
gawd those in-game pics are awe inspiring.

Padawan_7
11-13-2002, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by MuRaSaMuNe
I may be wrong sense I haven't seen Episode 1 for a long time but, I remember seeing the hair strand shorter, barely past his shoulder

Yeah, the hair strand does look a little on the long side.

MysticSpade
11-13-2002, 11:28 PM
yeah that is tru, it should come down his pectoral muscle.

Enjoi9187
11-13-2002, 11:53 PM
i thuoght so too, but look what i found :)

http://www.eyeonstarwars.com/episode1/picture/e470.jpg

MysticSpade
11-13-2002, 11:54 PM
well i'll shut up then u got proof now. so i'm cool with it.

Padawan_7
11-14-2002, 12:43 AM
Hmm...that is long.

But just to be sure, I pulled out my Ep.1 DVD to double check. And in the final fight scene they show Obi-Wan's braid as being long, but not quite as long as is shown in the above picture.

Another thing... the way the braid is modeled, being curved to give the braid the look of movement, maybe the braid should be reduced in length a little bit to make up for its curvature.

Just something to think about.

Enjoi9187
11-14-2002, 08:07 AM
well, i was searching for more pictures, and this is what i found.

http://padawan_paradise.tripod.com/obi/obi8.jpg

(copy and paste)

here it is pretty short, and not as long

So basically, im pretty sure it varies a lost, and the length really isnt that big of a deal. (to me at least, i mean, i could live if it stayed that long)

_NinjaGaiden_
11-14-2002, 02:09 PM
!!! MUST HAVE!!!

Jolts
11-14-2002, 02:20 PM
its going to be different for a few different reasons. Stick a piece of string to the back of your ear and move your neck around, then your shoulders, then twist to the side....depending on your pose it changes alot. Also if its his real hair, in 6 months of shooting its going to grow, and if its a clip on they don't use the same one over and over. The same thing is going to happen in game also.

[JKZ]_Yun
11-14-2002, 03:00 PM
now it beter arco :D
looks great arco and mars

MuRaSaMuNe
11-14-2002, 04:21 PM
Holy gahouzafets... that's inredible :eek:

Arco
11-14-2002, 09:00 PM
heehee Red CTF varient done. I LOVE doing evil skins! Anyway I will do a quick blue one... it will just be a ghost skin probs an then after toonces has done tweeking the weighting etc for hands and whatnot and making hands smaller blah blah we can release.

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/obiwan/redobi-face.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/obiwan/redobi.jpg

Arco:deathii:

SpYzEr
11-14-2002, 09:22 PM
That looks amazing Arco, great work!

NeoMarz1
11-14-2002, 09:23 PM
Looks great Arco! I don't know much about the ghost thing... One thing that I thought would be cool is a blue Aura around the head, like a Halo or something. Thats probably something that would take some effort, but it would be cool. Mars out!

Eldritch
11-14-2002, 09:34 PM
Lookin' sweet. Public release can't be far off! Woohoo! :D

Bob Gnarly
11-14-2002, 09:37 PM
GOOD WORK




hey marz you might not remember me but your the one who taught me to skin :D!

ShogunBlade
11-14-2002, 09:41 PM
I dunno... I think with the many threads the force takes on a dead ep 1 obi is highly possible. Ghost mode is hella cool.. and make his robes darker muahahahaha...

Enjoi9187
11-14-2002, 11:14 PM
hey arco, NICE, but 1 sugg, ojn the red ctf, could u make his hair a bit more brown, it looks kinda magenta, and an idea for blue: what about a blue version with markings on his face kinda like maul? jsut a thought.

omeo7
11-15-2002, 02:18 AM
HIs hands look HUGE in some of the pics.

JediLoaf
11-15-2002, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by omeo7
HIs hands look HUGE in some of the pics.

Someone pointed that out already, and "bad camera angles" where blamed ;)

Arco
11-15-2002, 06:00 AM
no people that didn't know blamed bad angles. however me and toonces who are in the know are fixing it. Give us time... GAWD!

Arco:deathii:

[JKZ]_Yun
11-15-2002, 07:17 AM
nice red skin :D

Enjoi9187
11-15-2002, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by omeo7
HIs hands look HUGE in some of the pics.

omeo, read the rest of the thread before you post, 3 peopole already stated that, and arco and toonces already responded it.

also, the reason i said it was the angle was because when Toonces had the pic of Qui Gon with his saber, he had big hands, and toonces said that it was the angle, so i just figured because the obi looked like the same angle.

JediLoaf
11-15-2002, 01:44 PM
yeah, great job on the red skin arco :)

Toonces
11-15-2002, 03:08 PM
It's actually a combination of both the size of the hands, and the angle. They are a little too big and I'm going to scale them down, but that camera angle makes them look enormous, much larger than they actually are

Ok, more screenies :D From Mars
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/Obispread2.jpg

Also some additional skins, large format so I'll keep it clickable
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/Obispread.jpg

JediLoaf
11-15-2002, 03:27 PM
that's some great work there. Great job Guys.

Eldritch
11-15-2002, 04:30 PM
Toonces,

Tell Mars that the default skin's robe colors should match up with the blue skin's robes color. The default ones are too tan. If he needs to adjust for the bright lighting, I suggest making it grey (like the blue skin).

Hellfire Jedi
11-15-2002, 04:58 PM
HOLY CRAP ON A STICK !!
I love that Anakin he did it ROCKSSSSSS mars AWESOME job i expected nothing better than that from him....
Awesome job i cannot emphisize this to much mars AWESOME my brother liked excuse me LOVED the sith robed one ok thanks all and
Will qui obi and mace be released in one pack??
Once again an excelent update u guys keep it up!! and Toonces don't stop modeling for us!!

Eldritch
11-15-2002, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Hellfire Jedi
HOLY CRAP ON A STICK !!
I love that Anakin he did it ROCKSSSSSS mars AWESOME job i expected nothing better than that from him....


Which Anakin did Mars do?

Padawan_7
11-15-2002, 05:56 PM
Nice skins Marz!

Toonces, are you going to tweak those robes a little bit? They appear to ride a little low on the shoulders; but of course, it could just be the model's default position. I'm not sure.

Hellfire Jedi
11-15-2002, 06:16 PM
JEDI_Anakin check it out ..
the link under the picture he posted click on it u can see the anakin he did...

SpYzEr
11-15-2002, 06:21 PM
I think that is just a costume of Anakin, not really Anakin... either way those skins frickin rock! Nice job!

MuRaSaMuNe
11-15-2002, 06:32 PM
Man... I can't wait to run around dieing constantly (cause I suck) in this model :D

Eldritch
11-15-2002, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Hellfire Jedi
JEDI_Anakin check it out ..
the link under the picture he posted click on it u can see the anakin he did...

Who? ;) (Name was changed)

I saw it, but it's just Anakin's clothes - still Obi-Wan's face. That skin in particular needs a little more detail, but the rest of them look pretty good.

Hellfire Jedi
11-15-2002, 07:09 PM
Same diff mainly a little diffirent face textures would probley do it no?

t3rr0r
11-15-2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Arco
it will just be a ghost skin probs
but ghost skins aren't very fair... isn't that the reason changed the blue palpatine/sidious?

anyhoo, the brow still needs to be edited... it looks too smooth/flat.

Eldritch
11-15-2002, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Hellfire Jedi
Same diff mainly a little diffirent face textures would probley do it no?

Ah... no. Anakin's body is very different from Obi-Wan's. It's like all the people that dress up on Halloween. Just because they're wearing a Obi-Wan costume doesn't make them look like Obi-Wan. Pretend Obi-Wan is wearing an Anakin costume... it just wouldn't look quite right.

Besides, Mars is skining an actual Anakin model being made by Jolts that's a little more accurate.

NeoMarz1
11-16-2002, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by KingPin
GOOD WORK




hey marz you might not remember me but your the one who taught me to skin :D!

No, I remember. It's been awhile, Wassup? How the skillz workin? Marz out!

NeoMarz1
11-16-2002, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by Aru-Wen


Ah... no. Anakin's body is very different from Obi-Wan's. It's like all the people that dress up on Halloween. Just because they're wearing a Obi-Wan costume doesn't make them look like Obi-Wan. Pretend Obi-Wan is wearing an Anakin costume... it just wouldn't look quite right.

Besides, Mars is skining an actual Anakin model being made by Jolts that's a little more accurate.

Yeah well... the Anakin skin for the Obi was just for fun, but I know everyone's gonna flame me on it... I don't care, besides I'm just warming up for the model (when Toonces can get it to me). Mars out!

[JKZ]_Yun
11-16-2002, 05:24 AM
nice skin marz :D
some more updateds?

MysticSpade
11-16-2002, 05:34 AM
Mars i personally like all of your work. the anikan skin is good. ppl just know this is an obi model and know it doesn't look right. but your skins are quite a treat.

Arco
11-16-2002, 09:48 AM
yo i have an update of sorts about my skin work. Marz has inspired me to do a little thang for the sp game. Altho we will do a normal kyle replacement I also intend to make a full sp reborn replacement... so you will get a lot of dark jedi reborns that look much better. Also Dessan will be replaced by either the red CTF obiwan I have done (but with robes) or a new skin on mace maybe. I just want to make them look more like evil jedis rather than a fatarse T-Rex and some hooded fools. It may take a while for me to do it so it probly won't be released the same time as the mp version of obiwan..... heehee it should be cool tho I hope.

Arco:deathii:

Pnut_Man
11-16-2002, 10:50 AM
AWESOME NEWS MAN!

12thMonkey
11-16-2002, 12:29 PM
Thats a great idea Arco, Looking forward to hearing about it and the whole obi wan shabam is sweet. i really like the robed version.

NeoMarz1
11-16-2002, 12:46 PM
ok... You guys win. I just lightened up the defalt tunic. Big bonus, I also changed the texture to match the one in the movie. Dont know how it will come across in the game play. I'll keep you posted. Toonces may have a screenshot up soon. Mars out.

JediLoaf
11-16-2002, 01:10 PM
will there there be a SP replacement for Kyle or Luke?

What i mean is like with Sithlordii's Darth Vader SP, where he replaced all of the sounds, so no-one would know any different (except in cut scenes)

EDIT: Didn't see there was a 6th page, so I didn't see Arco's post

JediLoaf
11-16-2002, 01:19 PM
hey mars, check PM

Bob Gnarly
11-16-2002, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by NeoMarz1


No, I remember. It's been awhile, Wassup? How the skillz workin? Marz out!

ive been trying to get in touch with you again i went on vacation and never seen you again :ball:

anyways, WOW look you already are skinning the things you said you wanted to, did you get around to modeling yet?

im making a mod now cause i have alot of skillz anyways good luck on this AWSOME obi model

umm
King out?!?

HA:D

Toonces
11-16-2002, 05:32 PM
Mars altered the hues on his Obi torso

http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/ObiReedit1.jpg

Hellfire Jedi
11-16-2002, 05:48 PM
Looks good as always from mars and arco best skinners 'round the block i wish i could skin but my photoshop 6.0 is a pain i cant change colors from white to black =/

NeoMarz1
11-17-2002, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by KingPin


ive been trying to get in touch with you again i went on vacation and never seen you again :ball:

anyways, WOW look you already are skinning the things you said you wanted to, did you get around to modeling yet?

im making a mod now cause i have alot of skillz anyways good luck on this AWSOME obi model

umm
King out?!?

HA:D

Well... not modeling yet (sigh). I want to do Zam Wessell, she is way cool. I also have wanted to do "Adi Gallia". There is still stuff to learn on skinning, but I plan to do modeling soon. Next project is "Yarael Poof", so watch that thread! Mars out!

NeoMarz1
11-17-2002, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by MysticSpade
Mars i personally like all of your work. the anikan skin is good. ppl just know this is an obi model and know it doesn't look right. but your skins are quite a treat.

I appreciate the comments. It's kinda funny... I started drawing comics many years ago, but it's hard to get feedback from people since your dealing mainly with the publisher (unless your famous). I like doing this skin thing... using the forums allows you get instant feedback. I used to think it would be great to make money doing what I love, but now I think its just cool to have your work commented on (still money is nice). No artist would admit this, but I do this work for the praise. I may get a ton of complaints, but it's that one good critique that makes it worth the effort. Art is nothing more than a way to connect to others through visualization. I know everyone one here gets a kick out of being involved in a spotlighted project... and this is one for sure. Mars out!

-s/<itzo-
11-17-2002, 02:25 AM
Marz you got talent.

i've always love your work. what else are you working on???

MuRaSaMuNe
11-17-2002, 03:09 AM
Puuuuuuurdy...... :cool:

[JKZ]_Yun
11-17-2002, 04:39 AM
looks nice :thmbup1:

Bob Gnarly
11-17-2002, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by NeoMarz1


Well... not modeling yet (sigh). I want to do Zam Wessell, she is way cool. I also have wanted to do "Adi Gallia". There is still stuff to learn on skinning, but I plan to do modeling soon. Next project is "Yarael Poof", so watch that thread! Mars out!


thats to bad i thought you where modeling to :( oh well if you dont wanna wast money just get a modeling program off KaZZa and learn but make sure you have antivirus

NeoMarz1
11-18-2002, 12:41 AM
Well... I just sent Toonces the final Pk3, Only thing left is his tweaks, Which I don't think there are many. Me and Arco should have something out soon. Just keep watching the thread. Some things I added on the final Pk3 draft.

1) New Icons (of course none of you have seen the old, so nothing big here)

2) I added a Anakin face/hair texture for the Anakin varient. Dont expect nothing too spectacular, since the model doesn't support it very well.

3) I went over "all" the textures and fine tuned em. taking out mistakes (imagine that).

Get ready boys, it's coming! Mars out!

JediLoaf
11-18-2002, 02:52 AM
lol, someones been busy :)

Darth Vader III
11-18-2002, 05:41 AM
Good to hear that it's almost complete.:D

Padawan_7
11-18-2002, 11:39 AM
Sounds great!!!

Arco
11-18-2002, 12:34 PM
Ok me been busy to. here is a shoy of my WIP desann replacement. I still have a few issues to sort out... such as the funky lighting on his face... i'm not sure how I will do this but i will work it out. Any time soon jk2.net should have an exclusive set of shots of my reborn replacement that this desann is part of. Much better than the reborn the game had i think.

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/desann1.jpg

and yes mars is right we will be releasing soon. toonces is doing facial animation suport and also tweeking the mesh to fit to the skeleton better... fingers crossed but we may be able to fix the arm clipping problems!

Arco:deathii:

PhantomHelix
11-18-2002, 12:59 PM
very nice work dude! :thumbsup:

keep up the good work! :D














btw: arco, check ur pm's.....

Bob Gnarly
11-18-2002, 05:08 PM
thats F'in amazing i love it

Darth Vader III
11-19-2002, 05:16 AM
I think the lighting is good...

Makes an impression that he's old and definately on the DARK SIDE.

boinga1
11-19-2002, 10:39 PM
hey Arco, how do you post screenshots into the forum like that?

t3rr0r
11-19-2002, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by boinga1
hey Arco, how do you post screenshots into the forum like that?
anyone can post images in the showcase forum. all you need to do is use the [img] tags.

boinga1
11-19-2002, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by t3rr0r

anyone can post images in the showcase forum. all you need to do is use the [img] tags.

okay, i hate to be a bother, and i feel like a dumd n00b,BUT...
could you please be more specific? is there a link i can go to for instructions?

JediLoaf
11-20-2002, 03:05 AM
without the spaces:


Imagelink[ /img]



which could look like:

[img]http://www.ja.ravencommunity.net/lf/templates/digitaltwilight/images/logo.jpg

JediLoaf
11-20-2002, 03:07 AM
this link should give you all the info you need to know:

http://www.lucasforums.com/misc.php?s=&action=faq

SettingShadow
11-20-2002, 04:25 AM
Looks very nice, looks forward to this :)

boinga1
11-20-2002, 09:42 AM
thank you all for your help

Hekx
11-20-2002, 11:10 AM
Any ideas on how long until you release the model?

JediLoaf
11-20-2002, 12:27 PM
they said anytime soon, as Toones is animating the face to talk in cutscenes.

MysticSpade
11-23-2002, 01:08 AM
no new posts in 2 days somethins up. so how's Obi comin along guys.

NeoMarz1
11-24-2002, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by MysticSpade
no new posts in 2 days somethins up. so how's Obi comin along guys.

It's a sign that Toonces is probably getting it all together, I havent heard anything on my end, but... Mars out!

The Count
11-24-2002, 06:55 PM
Is it just me or it Toonces avatar just the greatest?

Garik Loran
11-26-2002, 11:13 AM
Hey, any chance I may get this model without this padawan-hairtail?
I'm pretty sure the model is perfect for a young emperor-clone. So I would really like to skin this one.
What do you think?

http://www.theforce.net/timetales/tt2-4/CLONE.JPG http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/cloneemperor/mycustoms/stuff/cloneemperor.jpg

JediLoaf
11-26-2002, 01:58 PM
no point really. The only thing that is worth doing is removig it after words then giving toonces credit...

boinga1
11-26-2002, 06:10 PM
does this model have the arm-through-the-chest problems which are plaguing the mace and qui-gon models?

Toonces
11-26-2002, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Garik Loran
[B]Hey, any chance I may get this model without this padawan-hairtail?B]

Yeah, you can alpha those out :) Actually, I'll detach the two things and rig them seprate from the head so you'll be able to switch it on and off with a .skin file

Oh, and yes, he has the same problem with his torso. If I can't get it fixed I'm just going to get it as nice as I can and just release them

JediLoaf
11-27-2002, 06:06 PM
have we got a fix on a release date yet toonces?

Toonces
11-27-2002, 06:48 PM
No, I'm not going to set a date, I'll just happen. Soon, They are really three seprate models, they were just based on the same mesh.

Once Obi, Mace, and Qui-Gon are finished, I'm going to do a couple more Jedi, I won't name them just yet, but these arn't my last :D

I'll take some shots of Mars's skins as soon as I get home tonight, I have to unpack his pk3 and it'll take me a little time

Until then, some updates from Me and Arco, some geometrical changes, and some new textures
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/newobieye.jpg
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/newobieye2.jpg
http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/newobieye3.jpg

The Count
11-27-2002, 07:12 PM
I don't mean to be rude but the neck needs to be skinnier, Obi Wan looks like he's had too many pies.

Mest
11-27-2002, 07:19 PM
good job, i like your work.

-s/<itzo-
11-27-2002, 07:30 PM
something with the lower half of the face.


probably the chin.

i think its quite big.


but overall its awesome.


maybe a little bit more face tweaks and it will be great.


this is just my opinion. you don't have to take the chin part that serious.

Garik Loran
11-27-2002, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by Toonces


Yeah, you can alpha those out :) Actually, I'll detach the two things and rig them seprate from the head so you'll be able to switch it on and off with a .skin file

Ahhh, great! Then I will make a young emperor clone skin when the model is finished.
It's been too long since I did something for this game :D

JediLoaf
11-28-2002, 03:53 PM
heres some suggestions:

¬ I think you should lighten the shading around the cheeks, as It makes him look a little overweight
¬ The lips should look more 'virtual'. ie Like those made by Ravensoft
¬ His robe should be yellow with purple spots :p

Hekx
11-29-2002, 03:59 PM
I can't wait for the Mars skin varient of this model :p
*Waits for the release :D*

Taigan
12-01-2002, 02:24 AM
Im seriously going to shoot my mom if this skin dont come out soon I;ve been waiting rather long time now ;P:atat:

Enjoi9187
12-01-2002, 02:44 AM
that is sick....

Elessar-Eärfalas
12-01-2002, 03:35 AM
Toonces you tha man buddy, from Kit Fisto to this, gotta love your skills buddy....great job! :cool: