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Luc Solar
10-21-2002, 07:53 AM
Yup. It makes no sense whatsoever. Who came up with a language that illogical?

My point? Check this out:

A -->

1) Car (A sounds llike "AAA", just as it should.)

2) Man (A = "ÄÄÄ" [** yes, I know you don't have that letter in your alphabeth.] )

3) Plausible (now A sounds like "OOO")

:confused:

E -->

1) Fetch (E sounds the way it should: "EEE")

2) Reveal (E suddenly becomes an "III")

3) Faster (E turns into "ÖÖÖ" [**], naturally..)


U -->

1) Full (U = "UUU", great!)

2) F*ck (U becomes "AAA"?!)

....okay I could go on forever, but I think I already made my point.


So...what's wrong with you? Your pronounciation makes no sense whatsoever. Why write "f-u-c-k" when you could just as easily spell it f-a-k..that is how it comes out anyways??

Or perhaps you should forget about all the different letters and simply spell everything "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"? Then read it or say it any way you want, makes no difference, right?
:rolleyes:


A=U=E=I=O=Y=J=Z=S=C=K= .....ooof.... :confused:

FatalStrike
10-21-2002, 09:38 AM
fAAAck off whiner!

hehe :D

Luc Solar
10-21-2002, 10:01 AM
No-no-no-no... nice try but;

Heörs hau it shud bii spelld, Feidl :"Fak of vainör!" :joy:

STTCT
10-21-2002, 10:03 AM
translation please

FatalStrike
10-21-2002, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Luc Solar

Heörs hau it shud bii spelld, Feidl :"Fak of vainör!" :joy:

Fuera con tu idioma de idiotas. Nadie quiere aprender huevadas europeas que solamente se hablan en paises sin impotancia.

STTCT
10-21-2002, 10:37 AM
in english please

Luc Solar
10-21-2002, 10:43 AM
OMFG! You dare to go all Spanish on me??

...no fair! :mad:

Why don't you go and EEEE EEEEEEEEE and EEEEEEEEEE with an EEEEEEEE and shove it EE EEEE EEE the EEEEEEEE, Feidl! :swear:


:joy:

BCanr2d2
10-21-2002, 10:44 AM
And are any languages really any different when it comes to vowels changing sounds depending on what letter is next to them?

I think not, it is just that there are different rules for each language on how to pronounce them, so do not bag a language that has the same roots as the majority of them - German......

Kylilin
10-21-2002, 10:45 AM
Who came up with a language that illogical?

It is because English is a cross between Germanic languages, and Romantic languages, as well as Greek. That is why there are so many variations in pronunciation.

STTCT
10-21-2002, 10:54 AM
we are just "special" :usa:

leXX
10-21-2002, 11:01 AM
Actually, all of what he just said is rubbish!

Go learn your phonics and stop whining unless you want to invent your own language.

JandoFett1842
10-21-2002, 11:08 AM
Warum machen die Mutter ****** Hölle Sie Englisch der? müssen Flamme? Arme kleine Person, müssen nur becuase Sie es in der Schule doenst Mittel lernen das seines lahmes, wenn Sie buissness anyware in der Welt machen wollen, die Sie müssen speek Englisch der!!!

German

translate at www.freetranslation.com

Also im with lexx, invet your own fricken languge

FatalStrike
10-21-2002, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by JandoFett1842

Also im with lexx, invet your own fricken languge

....More clues pointing to my theory of lexx's mind control.

JandoFett1842
10-21-2002, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by FatalStrike


....More clues pointing to my theory of lexx's mind control.

haha lol

JandoFett1842
10-21-2002, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by FatalStrike


....More clues pointing to my theory of lexx's mind control.

haha lol! Yes Master Yuri! For Master Yuri!!! Surrneder you will to Yuri!! Right? :rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

leXX
10-21-2002, 11:50 AM
FatalStrike: You can control minds can't you leXX?
leXX: I can't control minds!
FatalStrike: You can't control minds!
leXX: You want to go home and rethink your life.
FatalStrike: I want to go home and rethink my life.

JandoFett1842
10-21-2002, 12:06 PM
Its this man who is mind controlling the swamp not lexx!!!


(sorry 56k, hehe)
http://www.cncgames.com/yuri_wallpaper/ydwall1068.jpg


JK!http://www.cncgames.com/yuri_wallpaper/ydwall1068.jpg

Sarlacc Food
10-21-2002, 12:31 PM
FYTTI HELVETE! FOR FAEN!!! ææÆÆÆÆÆ ÅÅÅÅåååååå ØØØØøøøø

FatalStrike
10-21-2002, 02:09 PM
JandoFett1842, are you feeling ok?

*shoots Jando*

.... there we go, much better :D

PhantomHelix
10-21-2002, 02:13 PM
i have no idea why it is so illogical......it just is, i guess........

gorganfloss
10-21-2002, 02:15 PM
Whats it matter if the languge is weird? If you really think it is, just live with it and get oon with your life. No need to complain about it.

Breton
10-21-2002, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Nuron Serott
FYTTI HELVETE! FOR FAEN!!! ææÆÆÆÆÆ ÅÅÅÅåååååå ØØØØøøøø

Du trengar då ikkje å banne så grådig...

PhantomHelix
10-21-2002, 02:19 PM
um, yeah.... yo estoy mateo. soy de los estados unidos. :lol:

MagnusB
10-21-2002, 02:19 PM
The person who posted this topic is actually in his full right to say what he did, since Finnish is (one of) the language(s) in the world that's most similar spoken and written.

PhantomHelix
10-21-2002, 02:24 PM
it is? wow, i actually learned somethin today!

Luc Solar
10-21-2002, 02:29 PM
Ummm...umm.... varium et mutabile semper femina ...?

... this thread is getting really weird...


Loved the "STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN LANGUAGE!"-stuff though :D
Can't argue with that...and it works so well with other things as well: "IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN [insert whatever you want here]! :p

Agen
10-21-2002, 04:18 PM
well back when you first goto primary school you learn the alphabet, the ah bi ci di eh fffff g, which makes more sense :D
then you goto say ABCDEFG.....
then it depends what letter is beside it, then if there's 2 of the same letter beside it and depending on the word then it's different again. So really just the letters it's beside and how many of the vowels :D

so all of a sudden **** makes sense :D
My post is so irrelevant it's great :D

Ich weib deutsche Sprach nicht schlecht!

edit- you can't say fcuk right ;) :D

Datheus
10-21-2002, 04:23 PM
English is a bit weird... They say it's one of the hardest languages to learn, I guess...

I mean... it's so weird.. we have to take ENGLISH classes all through high school :p

Note:

*knows English class isn't so much a study of the language as it is a study of the actual application*

leXX
10-21-2002, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Luc Solar
Ummm...umm.... varium et mutabile semper femina ...?

... this thread is getting really weird...


Loved the "STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN LANGUAGE!"-stuff though :D
Can't argue with that...and it works so well with other things as well: "IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN [insert whatever you want here]! :p

I pride myself on being capricious. ;)

Sivy
10-21-2002, 07:26 PM
wasn't there a thread about this last week?


anyway just to join in,

STFU AND GO MAKE UR OWN LANGUAGE, GEEZER!

:lol: great stuff

Dath Maximus
10-21-2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by FatalStrike


Fuera con tu idioma de idiotas. Nadie quiere aprender huevadas europeas que solamente se hablan en paises sin impotancia.


ahh spanich class, how you havent failed me yet

anywho, ill stick to yokel talk. (could be considered a new language)

for instance,

Yall fixin to get some kitsup?

The Truthful Liar
10-21-2002, 07:43 PM
:violin:

StormHammer
10-21-2002, 07:54 PM
Yep, English is one of the most difficult languages to learn. I can't comment on other countries, but as far as the UK goes, it's children lag behind many other European countries in terms of getting to grips with your main/native language. And I mean they lag behind by a number of years, which is an obvious disadvantage in terms of academic achievement.

Hardly surprising though, considering that it borrows words from so many other languages and cultures. There are so many words that simply sound the same...and so many of the words we have often have several different meanings dependent on context.

As far as phonics goes...it just makes the whole thing even more confusing. I know. My eldest son was taught the alphabet phonically in school...and when he writes, he often writes words how they should sound, rather than how they are actually spelt. I'm spending considerable time sitting down with him trying to explain the differences, and why certain words are spelt differently to how they sound, and sometimes he finds it quite confusing. I was never taught phonically...and I find it easier to cope with weird spellings because I'm not bound by sounds.

The funny thing is...we should probably go with phonic spelling, and adjust the language so that words are written phonically, rather than throwing in all these silent letters, variations of how letter combinations are pronounced, and all the other supersilious baggage tied to pronunciation.

Of course, increasing the number of words, and decreasing the number of meanings tied to individual words would also be a marked improvement. I know, for instance, that in at least one of the European countries, they have many different words for different types of snow or ice. They are more specific, rather than generalised, like most of our English words.

The only problem with that idea is that we have so many damned words already.

Life was so much easier when we all just used to grunt and point, IMO. ;)

Dath Maximus
10-21-2002, 07:58 PM
what i want to know is who can translate my hick talk of
Yall fixin to get some kitsup?
into english (no americans from the south)


/edit
how does the phonetical method apply to phoneics?(sp?)

Sivy
10-21-2002, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Dath Maximus
what i want to know is who can translate my hick talk of
Yall fixin to get some kitsup?
into english (no americans from the south)

it sounds like an updated 'you're cruising for a bruising', that sort of thing, or like the english say, 'you wantsum?!"

Dath Maximus
10-21-2002, 08:04 PM
no thats not what it means, its non-violent

it involves food

Sivy
10-21-2002, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Dath Maximus
no thats not what it means, its non-violent

it involves food

would you like some ketchup?

Dath Maximus
10-21-2002, 08:11 PM
sorta


it actually means
Are you all going to get some ketchup?

ahh the south, where entire converstations can be held without any real words

Luc Solar
10-22-2002, 04:02 AM
Originally posted by StormHammer
The funny thing is...we should probably go with phonic spelling, and adjust the language so that words are written phonically, rather than throwing in all these silent letters, variations of how letter combinations are pronounced, and all the other supersilious baggage tied to pronunciation.

...in at least one of the European countries, they have many different words for different types of snow or ice.
The only problem with that idea is that we have so many damned words already.

Oh wow. Someone totally agreeing with me even though my post could have been seen as slightly provokative :eek: :D

Phonic spelling... the question is: why the hell not?!

Answer: 'cause we're used to doing it this way. It's always been done like this.

It's the same thing as with keyboards. The QWERTY-system was created during the times when people wrote with those monstruous old typewriters that got stuck constantly. The QWERTY-system was created, so that the most used letters would be as far away from each other as possible (and thus harder to use, slower to type) in order to prevent the machines from getting screwed up. So basically our system is the worst they could think of in terms of "easy and fast typing".

We're still using QWERTY (although I hear some countries have been experimenting on different settings too...France?). That's just sick, just like most the stuff you see when visiting England...starting with people driving in the wrong direction. (got to keep the flames going ;) )

As for words for snow & ice ---> I think the Inuits have about 300 of them!

But there's no problem with lots of words is there? Learning the meaning of some new spesific term is just cool, it adds more depth to language. Not quite comparable to the "articulation-lottery" that's going on at present. :D

And you know....some people even study foreign languages...and in those cases *every* word is a new one, that needs to be learned ;)

Need to end this now. Planning on making a new, much more provokative thread. :joy:

Darklighter
10-22-2002, 07:46 AM
Prime examples of why English is so hard for people to learn it:

Two, too, to (all sound the same)

Thorough, thought, though (all sound completely different, even though they all use the sort of letters)

Well that's my input done...I'm too tired to think of anymore:(lol

stormtroop
10-22-2002, 09:20 AM
umm i dont really think about it

C'jais
10-22-2002, 10:21 AM
LOL - Luc, if you think english doesn't make any sense, you should try doing some Danish:

Dette er en fuldstændig håbløst forkludret tekst, kun lavet for at irritere dem som ikke selv kan dansk. Men, dertil skal den også vise nogle af de sproglige problemer i dansk, som for eksempel: at gå, jeg går, jeg gik - at drage, jeg drog og så videre. Hvis ikke disse uregelmæssige verber er nok til at skræmme dig væk fra sproget, kan jeg jo altid hive lidt utalelsesmæssige genvordigheder frem: gade, hvidst, grundsøvold eks. Virkelig dog, udtalen er som regel det mindre problem i forhold til uregelmæssighed i sprogets opbygning.

Hope any of you nordmænd understood some of that gibberiz.

The pronounciation is the lesser evil compared to "irregular verbs" (sp?), which there is a ton of, in Danish.

Darklighter
10-22-2002, 10:30 AM
I am really amazing jais that you can speak two different languages so fluently...it's really amazing...

C'jais
10-22-2002, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Darklighter
I am really amazing jais that you can speak two different languages so fluently...it's really amazing...

fluently you say!?! LOL - I just discovered I made a boatload of typos and errors in the Danish text, none of which you noticed, of course hehehehehe.... But really, Danish is my "modersmål" (native language), so it's no big feat to speak that well....

However, understanding that norwegian nonsense above is another matter altogether LOL!

And also, I'm far from speaking english as well as I write it, something that's not always evident when seeing geeks do some fine 'n mighty english on the net.

Darklighter
10-22-2002, 10:44 AM
Well, if you write this well in English, you must speak it pretty good too...hell, you even type it better than me:lol:lol

I always thought that English would be the hardest language for any foriegner, because it is not a language in it's self. It is just a complilation of snippets of other languages, with some new found snazzy words like codswapple and fiddlestick (haha:D)...so I admire anyone who does not live in an English speaking country/society and can speak it well:)

Breton
10-22-2002, 10:51 AM
Ja, uregelmessige verb er ganske irriterende, men du blir vant til det. Dessuten har jeg aldri hørt om noe språk som ikke har uregelmessige verb.

Det virkelige problemet her oppe er at du faktisk må lære to forskjellige skriftspråk, bokmål (vanlig) og nynorsk, til tross for at det er nesten ingen som faktisk bruker nynorsk.

Også, det store problemet med o og å. F.eks. ordet tog, da uttaler du o-en med å-lyd, men med ordet bok uttaler du o-en med vanlig o-lyd. Det er ingen regler for når du skal skrive/si å og når du skal skrive/si o.

Det er egentlig ganske greit å kunne et språk der det bare er et fåtall her i "myren" som faktisk forstår det. Da kan jeg f.eks. si at Vader er en svekling og at Sidious er en tulling, selv om jeg ikke mener det, men allikevel er det få som kan motsi meg, fordi de fleste ikke har en anelse om hva som står der ;) .

Breton
10-22-2002, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Darklighter
Well, if you write this well in English, you must speak it pretty good too...hell, you even type it better than me:lol:lol

I always thought that English would be the hardest language for any foriegner, because it is not a language in it's self. It is just a complilation of snippets of other languages, with some new found snazzy words like codswapple and fiddlestick (haha:D)...so I admire anyone who does not live in an English speaking country/society and can speak it well:)

That's what I thought, you have never tried to learn German...

C'jais
10-22-2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
Ja, uregelmessige verb er ganske irriterende, men du blir vant til det. Dessuten har jeg aldri hørt om noe språk som ikke har uregelmessige verb.

Det virkelige problemet her oppe er at du faktisk må lære to forskjellige skriftspråk, bokmål (vanlig) og nynorsk, til tross for at det er nesten ingen som faktisk bruker nynorsk.

Også, det store problemet med o og å. F.eks. ordet tog, da uttaler du o-en med å-lyd, men med ordet bok uttaler du o-en med vanlig o-lyd. Det er ingen regler for når du skal skrive/si å og når du skal skrive/si o.

Det er egentlig ganske greit å kunne et språk der det bare er et fåtall her i "myren" som faktisk forstår det. Da kan jeg f.eks. si at Vader er en svekling og at Sidious er en tulling, selv om jeg ikke mener det, men allikevel er det få som kan motsi meg, fordi de fleste ikke har en anelse om hva som står der ;) .

Jeg er enig med dig, og jeg er endnu ikke stødt på et sprog som ikke havde uregelmæssige verber, selv latin har nogle ret slemme nogle.

De du nævner med nynorsk, skyldes det at "bognorsk" minder om dansk, og nynorsk er en "forsvenskning" (minder om svensk :D) af originalt norsk, eller er jeg fuldstændig galt på den her?

Det med o, a og å kan sammenlignes med det som Luc skrev i sit topic: at på engelsk bliver vokalerne radikalt anderledes hvis de sættes foran besteme konsonanter: f.eks. bliver a'et i "awe" udtalt som "orrr" (som i orc, hehe) i stedet for "ahve" (eller sådan noget LOL). Jeg tror alle sprog også til dels har visse ord hvor vokalerne ændrer form.

At tale et sporg som næsten ingen i verden forstår kan være meget fedt, men problemet er selvfølgelig at man bliver nødt til at lære fremmedsprog meget hurtigt hvis du vil tale med folk fra andre lande....

Og dansk har også sine dialekt-problemer, prøv fx at tage til sydjylland og forstå noget some helst dér!!! De taler næsten fuldstændig tysk!! aaaargh!

PS: "Tulling", WTF IS THAT!!?!? :D :p

stormtroop
10-22-2002, 12:47 PM
ahhhhhhh i dont understand this strange laungaugeLOL!!:p I think its quite cool to learn two laungauges deffintley if its a cool one which many poeple use for example:English

And lucasforums i just noticed somehting there is smiles normal ones which most forums have but you dont have many moving ones like it.Umm stsrnge i think im correct anyway

Sarlacc Food
10-22-2002, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
Ja, uregelmessige verb er ganske irriterende, men du blir vant til det. Dessuten har jeg aldri hørt om noe språk som ikke har uregelmessige verb.

Det virkelige problemet her oppe er at du faktisk må lære to forskjellige skriftspråk, bokmål (vanlig) og nynorsk, til tross for at det er nesten ingen som faktisk bruker nynorsk.

Også, det store problemet med o og å. F.eks. ordet tog, da uttaler du o-en med å-lyd, men med ordet bok uttaler du o-en med vanlig o-lyd. Det er ingen regler for når du skal skrive/si å og når du skal skrive/si o.

Det er egentlig ganske greit å kunne et språk der det bare er et fåtall her i "myren" som faktisk forstår det. Da kan jeg f.eks. si at Vader er en svekling og at Sidious er en tulling, selv om jeg ikke mener det, men allikevel er det få som kan motsi meg, fordi de fleste ikke har en anelse om hva som står der ;) .


DU ER NORSK FOR FAEN!

Sarlacc Food
10-22-2002, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by cjais
PS: "Tulling", WTF IS THAT!!?!? :D :p [/B]

tulling = Dumbass, Idiot & stuff... :bdroid1:

stormtroop
10-22-2002, 01:27 PM
That isnt very nice now now children

Luc Solar
10-22-2002, 02:22 PM
Hahaha... I'm quite surprised that I was able to understand the stuff that cjais and others wrote. Never really tried to _read_ Danish before.

As I once said:

I speak fluent Swedish. If I'm a bit drunk and put a potatoe in my mouth, I speak pretty fluent Norwegian. But Danish...well: I need a lot more beer and two more potatoes. :D

Looks much better on paper, though! :thumbsup:

Finnish on the other hand...well, let's not open that can of worms, shall we :(

I think Hitler (or someone during those dark years) said it well: You people need not worry about enemy spies. You have the best coding system in the world: Finnish! Nobody could possibly crack it. :D

C'jais
10-22-2002, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Luc Solar

I speak fluent Swedish. If I'm a bit drunk and put a potatoe in my mouth, I speak pretty fluent Norwegian. But Danish...well: I need a lot more beer and two more potatoes. :D


:lol::rofl::lol:


I'll take that in good jest Mr. Solar.... :D :p

Luc Solar
10-23-2002, 06:51 AM
..as you should Mr. cjais. :)

Me being from Finland and complaining about other languages...lol...thank god basicly no-one here knows what kind of gibberish I talk all day long! :D

Hmm...think we should annoy the "Deutch" a bit too.

I've studied German for a while. It was interesting..we had to keep a short brake after every ten minutes or so, though... time for the cleaning lady to wipe the classroom floor clean of saliva....lots of saliva flying around those days... :D

Seriously.. most words are spelled consonant + consonant + consonant + consonant + consonant + consonant + consonant + vowel +consonant + consonant + consonant + consonant.

Take a really simple word like "abortion", for example:

Schwangerschaftsunterbrechung! :rolleyes:

...I sure wouldn't want to be face to face with anyone who tries to articulate that. Lol....