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00M-187
10-24-2002, 02:33 PM
Why would Anakin be the chosen one? if it wasnt for Luke the Sith would rule the galaxy forever. Luke is the one that made Vader turn good. Why is Anakin the chosen one?

covenant_bad
10-24-2002, 04:10 PM
But then again you could argue that Anakin is the chosen as he destroys all the Jedi have accomplished and eliminates the order. Never does GL say the chosen one is a good thing. So bringing balance to the force may well be what he does. Unlike luke who destroys the sith. Also, i know many people believe in the balance as in numbers e.g jedi/sith ratio.

Holo-Sidious
10-24-2002, 04:11 PM
Anakin Skywalker re-surfaced after Emperor Palpatine attacked Luke Skywalker on the second Death Star battle station. Realising he was now a good guy, Anakin picked up the Emperor and killed him (stupid little do-gooder that he was). Without Anakin being there, Luke would have been destroyed by the Emperor, and he would have won the battle. Anakin saved his son, saved the galaxy from the dark side and bringing balance to the Force by stamping out the evil master of the Empire.

Anakin and Luke Skywalker are pathetic weaklings whose only effective tool was surprise, and it was sheer luck for the Rebel Alliance that Vader had a sudden change of heart. He was never a true Sith Lord, anyway... traitor...

:holosid:

Darth Kaan
10-24-2002, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Holo-Sidious
Anakin Skywalker re-surfaced after Emperor Palpatine attacked Luke Skywalker on the second Death Star battle station. Realising he was now a good guy, Anakin picked up the Emperor and killed him (stupid little do-gooder that he was). Without Anakin being there, Luke would have been destroyed by the Emperor, and he would have won the battle. Anakin saved his son, saved the galaxy from the dark side and bringing balance to the Force by stamping out the evil master of the Empire.

Anakin and Luke Skywalker are pathetic weaklings whose only effective tool was surprise, and it was sheer luck for the Rebel Alliance that Vader had a sudden change of heart. He was never a true Sith Lord, anyway... traitor...

:holosid:

Well stated!

JediNyt
10-24-2002, 07:36 PM
:eyeraise:......What in the Force is wrong with you??...Ah of course, you are consumed by the Dark side. It has clouded your judgement.

If you are joking, then I take back what I said.

Jedi_Monk
10-24-2002, 11:57 PM
Never does GL say the chosen one is a good thing.
Lucas has said that the Dark Side throws the Force out of balance, therefore bringing balance to the Force means stamping out the Dark Side.

And Lucas has also said that Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One, not Luke Skywalker.

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Darth Kaan
10-25-2002, 08:35 AM
Vader was dying, he then took out palpy, balance was restored. :D

ET Warrior
10-25-2002, 10:20 PM
Well, if it isn't our friend Holo-Sid who told us he'd be gone until 2005......you just can't resist us can ya?

I suppose you decided since we discovered your new account you might as well just come out in the open then eh?

Taos
10-26-2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk

Lucas has said that the Dark Side throws the Force out of balance, therefore bringing balance to the Force means stamping out the Dark Side.




Jedi Monk, as you know, I don't normally question your knowledge of Star Wars......but I have one here. :)


Ok, as we know, ep I Qui-Gon is talking about Anakin bringing balance to the force. Where I'm a little confused here is.....are you talking about wiping out the darkside completely??? I'd say for all intents and purposes that the darkside is totally wiped out. For all the jedi know, it is-or do they know???? Does Qui-Gon Jinn somehow know that the dark lord of the sith has returned??? Or is Qui Gon refering to all of this after the sith have attacked and I just answered my own question???

Or am I just totally screwed up here?? ;)

Ratmjedi
10-26-2002, 03:48 PM
I think youre screwy Lemmu Taos :nut:



























J/k :D
:lsduel: :duel:

Taos
10-26-2002, 04:01 PM
MAN, I tell you....after the last couple days I've had I'm thinkin' so too!! :guiness:

I haven't relpied to that LOTR thread yet in the swamp but I will.......... :evil5:

You're dead meat man!!!!


:rofl: :giggle1:

ET Warrior
10-26-2002, 07:53 PM
To answer your question about what bringing balance to the force means.......nobody aside from George Lucas knows. We all have no idea what it truly means. It could mean balancing 2 sith with 2 jedi, it could mean complete irradication of the sith....we have no idea.

Taos
10-26-2002, 09:05 PM
Yeah ET, what I always thought was balance to the force ment two jedi and two sith........

Since nobody but GL (and Jedi Monk:D ) knows for sure, I won't worry about it.

Purple_Tentacle
10-27-2002, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Holo-Sidious
it was sheer luck for the Rebel Alliance that Vader had a sudden change of heart.


the 2nd death star was about to be destroyed with the emperor on it. vader or no vader the emperor was gunna die that day.

Holo-Sidious
10-27-2002, 11:09 AM
If Darth Vader and the Emperor had not been consumed with Luke, they would have realised the danger to the battle station and evacuated. After all, we learn are lessons after the narrow-minded Tarkin and his first deep space battle station.

:holosid:

Sivy
10-27-2002, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by covenant_bad
But then again you could argue that Anakin is the chosen as he destroys all the Jedi have accomplished and eliminates the order. Never does GL say the chosen one is a good thing. So bringing balance to the force may well be what he does. Unlike luke who destroys the sith. Also, i know many people believe in the balance as in numbers e.g jedi/sith ratio.

that's what i think to.

the choosen one which would bring balance to the force,
meaning a thousand years ago the sith and the jedi were balanced in numbers then the jedi wipe out all but one sith who then decides to train only one and that there would only be two sith at one time. then anakin comes along and helps wipe out all the jedi leaving only two (yoda and obi-wan), so two jedi + two sith = balance. that what i think it means

Deetox187
10-28-2002, 02:48 AM
Sorry that theory makes no sense, If it meant killing off all but 2 Jedi why the hell would Qui-Gon and the council be so intent on bringing balance to the force in the first place? Do you think they wanted to die? All we see the Jedi do in the movies is try to survive, according to you they are suicidal.

I believe balance means either all the Sith are wiped out or all the Jedi are wiped out, leaving the darkside or lightside as the only force left in the galaxy that can be used. Why do you think the Emperor wanted to turn Anakin to the darkside so badly? because he knew Anakin could kill off the remaining Jedi for him so he could rule the galaxy with no opposition, thus giving balance to the darkside.

Do you think Vader and the Emperor deliberately let Obi-Wan and Yoda live just so there could be 2 Sith and 2 Jedi? hell no, they wanted to kill them just like the other Jedi but couldn't find them because they were living in exile. Not to mention Vader does end up killing Obi-Wan in A New Hope so that also throws your theory right out the window, Luke was not a Jedi at that time so the only one left would be Yoda.

And also you mention that a thousand years ago the Jedi wiped out all but one Sith, when in fact it was the Sith who wiped out all but one Sith. Darth Bane was the only survivor, he then instated the "only 2" Sith rule because he knew if there were more they would try to destroy eachother again.

Darth Kaan
10-28-2002, 06:30 AM
Bringing "Balance to the force" can be interpreted in many different ways.

Was it "balanced" before the outcast jedi (during the time of the Jedi Order forming 25,000 years ago) began flirting with Sith teachings? Just when and what event "Unbalanced" the force?

Since you cant have good without evil, dark without light or smoke without a fire, who knows....

I doubt GL would give a straight answer anyway. Depending on what he says it could create to many contradictions in what has happened. Then again it may have been left obscure for a reason.

Pad
10-28-2002, 10:02 AM
i think restoring balance of the force has something to do with destroying the dark side. isnt the dark side the thing that brings the force out of balance as its stronger?

Sivy
10-28-2002, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Deetox187
Sorry that theory makes no sense, If it meant killing off all but 2 Jedi why the hell would Qui-Gon and the council be so intent on bringing balance to the force in the first place? Do you think they wanted to die? All we see the Jedi do in the movies is try to survive, according to you they are suicidal.

I believe balance means either all the Sith are wiped out or all the Jedi are wiped out, leaving the darkside or lightside as the only force left in the galaxy that can be used. Why do you think the Emperor wanted to turn Anakin to the darkside so badly? because he knew Anakin could kill off the remaining Jedi for him so he could rule the galaxy with no opposition, thus giving balance to the darkside.



it was a prophesy that even the jedi didn't know what it meant, all they knew is that there would be a chosen one to bring balance, which they thought was a good thing, but it wasn't, it was the balance of good and evil imho, and they didn't deliberately let obi-wan and yoda live, it was fate that two would survive. 2 sith and 2 jedi, put that on a scale and what do you have? balance.

i think you need to look up balance in the dictionary, your theory is the opposite of balance

and Padanime remember,
luke 'is the darkside stronger?'
yoda 'no, quicker, easier'

Jedi_Monk
11-04-2002, 03:38 AM
Ok, as we know, ep I Qui-Gon is talking about Anakin bringing balance to the force. Where I'm a little confused here is.....are you talking about wiping out the darkside completely??? I'd say for all intents and purposes that the darkside is totally wiped out. For all the jedi know, it is-or do they know???? Does Qui-Gon Jinn somehow know that the dark lord of the sith has returned??? Or is Qui Gon refering to all of this after the sith have attacked and I just answered my own question???
You ask a good question and I dunno how to answer. I was just repeating what I'd read Lucas said in an interview (I think it was either in Maxim or Cinescape, but I can't remember for sure). I say, when in doubt, go with Lucas ;)

i think you need to look up balance in the dictionary, your theory is the opposite of balance.
Ah, but before you can say what balance means to the Force, you have to understand the nature of the Force. If the Dark Side does throw the Force out of balance, then wiping out the Dark Side would put the Force back into balance.

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Breton
11-04-2002, 04:17 PM
Ok, as we know, ep I Qui-Gon is talking about Anakin bringing balance to the force. Where I'm a little confused here is.....are you talking about wiping out the darkside completely??? I'd say for all intents and purposes that the darkside is totally wiped out. For all the jedi know, it is-or do they know???? Does Qui-Gon Jinn somehow know that the dark lord of the sith has returned??? Or is Qui Gon refering to all of this after the sith have attacked and I just answered my own question???

Since this prophecy was obviously widely known even though the sith were belived to be extinct, it is clear that the Dark Side existed outside of the sith. And this must also mean that the Dark Side was used outside the sith, and thereby proves the existence of these Dark Jedi, jedi that are corrupted by the Dark Side, but have not been trained in sith ways. Therefore I would say that Dark Jedi is not EU, since their existence is indirectly stated in TPM.

Jedi_Monk
11-04-2002, 04:48 PM
Since this prophecy was obviously widely known even though the sith were belived to be extinct, it is clear that the Dark Side existed outside of the sith. And this must also mean that the Dark Side was used outside the sith, and thereby proves the existence of these Dark Jedi, jedi that are corrupted by the Dark Side, but have not been trained in sith ways. Therefore I would say that Dark Jedi is not EU, since their existence is indirectly stated in TPM.
...And then, in the Jedi purge, Anakin wiped out all of the Dark Jedi along with the Light Jedi therefore leaving only two representatives of the Dark Side left in the galaxy... makes sense.

But then, one could also argue that--since the virgin birth was one of the major tenents of the Chosen One--Qui-Gon realized since the Chosen One had been born there must be a need for him... which suggests a resurgent Sith, which might be the reason why he believed that Darth Maul was a Sith Lord.

Is your mind bending yet?

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Breton
11-04-2002, 04:56 PM
But then again, you could wonder why Qui-Gon knew of this prophecy at all if the sith was belived to be extinct for the past milennium. I doubt that the jedi from the sith wars thing expected the siths to return, so why should they teach this prophecy to the younger ones at all?

Count Dooku 2
11-06-2002, 11:52 AM
The Jedi Masters may have taught this lesson because of other factors. After all, big events can also change the galaxy and effect the Jedi, and these events never have anything to do with the dark lords. Perhaps the Sith part was never thought of, yet the prophecy was still stong in Jedi minds.

Jedi_Monk
11-06-2002, 01:00 PM
But then again, you could wonder why Qui-Gon knew of this prophecy at all if the sith was belived to be extinct for the past milennium. I doubt that the jedi from the sith wars thing expected the siths to return, so why should they teach this prophecy to the younger ones at all?
Think about it this way: What is prophecy? Here's the dictionary definition:
1 : an inspired utterance of a prophet
2 : the function or vocation of a prophet; specifically : the inspired declaration of divine will and purpose
3 : a prediction of something to come
Okay... so some Jedi, inspired by the Will of the Force (the Jedi divinity), predicted that a Chosen One would come and bring balance to the Force. This is the Force speaking through the mouthpiece of some Jedi. When your divinity speaks--even if it's something that seems like it would never happen--wouldn't you continue to teach it?

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