Cheater Cheating

[griff38]

Hello, I have played with real people for just under 4 months now. And a game does not go bye without someone being called a cheater.

Why?

Why is anyone who is winning a cheater?
Can any of you who think you are being cheated, site an example?

Binding a script is not cheating, adjusting the clientside variable is not cheating.

Unless you can sight an example of how they might be cheating, be a man (or woman) and keep your mouth shut

Remember, only darkies vote republican :elephant:

[Lightning]

Originally posted by griff38
Binding a script is not cheating, adjusting the clientside variable is not cheating.

well it is:rolleyes:

[Jah Warrior]

Originally posted by Lightning


well it is:rolleyes:

scripts may not be cheating but they are only used by people that aint good enuff to do moves themselves - nuff said.

[Luc Solar]

Originally posted by Lightning


well it is:rolleyes:

Yes.

I can not believe that this issue is not clear for everyone with half a brain.

*sigh*

Here we go again:

Scripts that give you and UNFAIR ADVANTAGE are cheating. (Yes, that means that all scripts are not considered cheating.)

Why would anyone use scripts? >> perhaps 'cause it makes things EASIER, yes? This is somewhat obvious.

For example:

'No chance of accidentally rolling forwards when trying to do a blue lunge because of a script that executes it successfully 100% of the time' = unfair advantage.

The one and only reason for using scripts >>> scripts make things easier, they give you an advantage

If this would not be true, why on earth would anyone use a script to handicap him/herself?

AND:

Just because it is possible for everyone to take a gun into a boxing match and shoot the opponent, it doesn't make it okay. Just because everyone is able to use a script if they want to, doesn't make it okay.

Ok? ....Ok.

[griff38]

Cheating means taking an unfair advantage, since anyone can bind a script how is it unfair?
If you don't like playing with scripters then find a server where people don't do it ( like me ). It's not like somebody is holding a light saber to your head.

If anything, script binders have made me a better player. Don't be a hater.

[Syfo-Dyas]

Originally posted by griff38
a game does not go bye without someone being called a cheater.

Why is anyone who is winning a cheater?
Binding a script is not cheating, adjusting the clientside variable is not cheating.


It's NOT cheating??? How is it NOT cheating???

I think that Luc Solar probably gave the best response I've read -so I'm not going to even bother repeating it.

But, if you really feel that 'Scripting' is not cheating then anyone who 'Scripts' should at least do the following: To all of your scripts, add a message that will be displayed for all players to read that will say; "NAME has just excuted NAME OF SCRIPT script".

This will at least alert everyone playing that this person is using scripts, and what that script is doing. No big deal, just a simple disclosier.

If someone has a problem with it, they can voice it, or leave. If everyone has a problem with it, then the person using scripts can leave, or be polite enough to stop using them.

If you are unwilling to tell people you are 'Scripting', if you feel you have to hide them, then I don't see how anyone could say that using Scripts is anything BUT cheating...

Seems fair enough to me. Anybody see a problem with that???

This is also beneficial to those who don't script, but have practiced and really have their moves down cold.
I have to agree with Griff38, that just because someone is really good doesn't mean they are cheating. Sometimes people get pissed that they aren't the ones winning, and it makes them feel better to call someone a cheater, rather than just admit he/she is just REALLY good at the game.
If you find someone who is good, don't call them a cheater. Rather, compliment them, and ask if they'll teach you something. Then you can benefit from their skills and knowledge.

Online games should make people some new friends. It should make people enemies. There is no benefit to people dislikeing each other.
So, the rule is simple: Play fair, have fun, learn and help each other, and make some new friends.

What could be better?

[Lightsaberboy]

a bunch of people called me cheating one time cause i dodged their sniper shots. lol..then they called me cheating caused i sniped someone in the air a few times. Then i got called a cheater for pushing rockets back in a person's face. oh when will it all end?

[Homosexual Ewok]

Don't worry guys, I'm going to de/recompile the Quake 3 OGC for JK2 and release it as "Chewbaccabot 1.0" in about a week.

That should clear up all the script arguments.

[FatalStrike]

I am sick of this cheating crap. People use scripts, OK, DEAL WITH IT YOU SILLY NOOBS.

If you don't like it...TOO D@MN BAD!

I can't stand them since they through my game off but if you want to use them go for it, I really don't give a d@mn since when it all comes down to it, not a one of you can prove to me that you don't use them.

If you know someone has a script the EXPECT IT!! Scripts don't change you silly monkeys so if you see them then anticipate and deal with it.

I am so gald I play 1.02 and don't have to deal with you freaks everyday. In 1.02 the only fool that screams cheater is the same fool that asks "how do you roll?" hehe

THE END

FLAME AWAY

[Acer Palmatum]

Am I missing something? If someone is using a tool that others can use themselves, how is that unfair or cheating? That's like saying "I have a keyboard, but choose not to use it, so you shouldn't either". :rolleyes:

Like those brats that whine about kicking being unfair. Learn to get around it, or learn to out-kick the kicker. ;) "Oh, you force pushed me off the ledge! How wimpy!". You don't like using the force in your games? Play Quake. Play 1942. Play DOOM for cryin' out loud. :mad:

When playing JKII, expect people to kick and use the force. If players can kick, they WILL. Expect them to work as a team in team games, and hide up on that ledge where the lone players can't jump to, or gang up on your flag carrier. Expect them to use your lag against you. Expect them to get you caught up in combo moves that you can't seem to get out of. If scripts are available, be prepared to meet those that choose to use them. If they are beating you, perhaps you should use them too. ;) If you think it's unfair, find a game that doesn't have them, 'cause if the option is available, people will use it.

So, to define cheating, here's the Webster's definition (http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=cheating). I think we are concerned with "v. intr. 2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards. ". This would imply that the rules are the game as it stands in it's accepted and final form by it's creator I can only assume. Hence then technically, anyone using mods is a cheater, and anyone using built in scripts (which were designed into the game) or kicks (same), hidden or high ledges (same), combos (etc.), or anything else built into the original game is not a cheater.

But then again, if the accepted convention of gaming embraces mods, and the mods are available for all to DL and use, I think that is not cheating either. As long as all players know the RULES ahead of time, like posting in the server name "v1.02" or "JediPLUS 3.0" or "no chatkilling" or "no camping". If everyone attending a given server is there of their own will, and the rules say "no scripts" and you are caught using them (see Syfo-Dyas' post above), then you are kicked and/or banned for cheating. It is cheating then, because it is against the convention of the players on that server. If it's not a posted rule, and anyone can do it, it is not cheating.

So to summarize < whew! > Only one person can use the advantage, and does so = cheating. Anyone can use the advantage, there is no rule against it, and some choose not to because of some kind of lame code of ethics that was not agreed to by all the players = not cheating. It = naive on the part of the "you're cheating" whiners. End of story.

[DeTRiTiC-iQ]

Well said.

[JEDI OUTCAST]

cheating is good it gets you places that you can not go.:D

[MysticSpade]

cheaters and script users have no place in REAL competition. i have no difficulty takin down a script user. actually they leave themselves open while tryin to push their scripted key.

[DeTRiTiC-iQ]

Agreed, exploiting bugs etc has no place in a real game, but its always fun to mess about on a public server with map glitches and the like.

[TK_Nutritious]

speaking of map glitches *cough* det plz watch trick jumping video *cough*

[Break_dF]

Chewbaccabot Unnamed?...WTF? 8)

[DeTRiTiC-iQ]

Originally posted by TK_Nutritious
speaking of map glitches *cough* det plz watch trick jumping video *cough*

Already taken care of, I could release Bespin Towers SE right now if I wanted.

[UgonDieFoo]

Acer Palmatum laid the smack down, and he knows what he's talking about. I agree with everyhing he said. For those of you who consider scripts to be cheating you ought to read his post. And btw I don't use scripts and don't even know how to, for anyone who thinks I do cause of what I'm saying.

[Luc Solar]

Oh for the love of god... :disaprove

Originally posted by Acer Palmatum
Am I missing something? If someone is using a tool that others can use themselves, how is that unfair or cheating?

Yes. You are missing something. Let me try to get you to understand:

The argument is, as you said: "It's not cheating because everyone can do it!"

Now take a game of golf. You take your swings and let the next guy on the green. Just as he swinging, you take your golf club and smack him in the face with it.
No problem here, he can do it too. And there's not any rule that spesifically fordbids this. :rolleyes: Great logic.

I'd really hope that I don't have to see this retarded "others can do it too"-argument ever again.

Btw - I'd bet that half of the people browsing these forums don't even know what a script is, not to mention knowing how to use one. How can you say that it is "available for everyone", when the vast, vast majority of people would have to go to considerable lenghts to make a script?
Example: If one guy can hack in to FBI's databank, everyone can do it, they just need to learn about hacking and/or get better at it. :rolleyes:


Like those brats that whine about kicking being unfair. Learn to get around it, or learn to out-kick the kicker. ;) "Oh, you force pushed me off the ledge!

This and the other crap where you try to educate us on various CTF-strategies has absolutely nothing to do with scripts.


"If scripts are available, be prepared to meet those that choose to use them. If they are beating you, perhaps you should use them too. ;) If you think it's unfair, find a game that doesn't have them, 'cause if the option is available, people will use it.

Sure. People suck. But the issue here is: "Are scripts cheating"? There's no question about whether or not people actually cheat. In CS it seems more like a rule than an execption. But this gets us to the next argument:

"Other's are using it - that makes it okay for me to use 'em too!"

No. The fact that someone else is doing it has no relevance whatsoever.
Example: "It is okay for me to beat down all my competitors in golf with a golfclub because I heard in the news that some maniac did that too a while back."

There is no relevance. All it is is a lousy excuse that gives half-witted people a break from their bad conscience.


So, to define cheating .......Hence then technically, anyone using mods is a cheater, and anyone using built in scripts (which were designed into the game) or kicks (same), hidden or high ledges (same), combos (etc.), or anything else built into the original game is not a cheater.


That logic if flawed. A mod is a mod. All players are playing the same game. No-one with half a brain needs a rigid definition for cheating to help them decide what is and what isn't cheating. Especially not in a case that is so obvious.


If everyone attending a given server is there of their own will, and the rules say "no scripts" and you are caught using them (see Syfo-Dyas' post above), then you are kicked and/or banned for cheating. It is cheating then, because it is against the convention of the players on that server. If it's not a posted rule, and anyone can do it, it is not cheating.

Again, I disagree. Cheating is cheating period

I'll illuminate my point:

Two guys play JO. The other proposes that they'll both use "helpusobi1". The other boy agrees and so they start messing around with cheat codes.
Now...at exactly what point did "helpusobi1" "noclip" and all the god-mode-insane force rank-etc-stuff seize to be cheats?
Just because they both agreed, it doesn't mean that cheats suddenly aren't cheats. They simply made a rule. And the rule was: *Cheating is okay*.


So to summarize < whew! > Only one person can use the advantage, and does so = cheating. Anyone can use the advantage, there is no rule against it, and some choose not to because of some kind of lame code of ethics that was not agreed to by all the players = not cheating. It = naive on the part of the "you're cheating" whiners. End of story.

Guys..just take a moment to think about what you're doing when creating a script. I'm not going to put an example here of all that needs to be done...but, jesus! It doesn't occur to you at any point that you might be bending the rules a bit? :disaprove


I'd like to comment on the so often used "it is in the game"-argument while am at it. Hopefully I never have to see that one again either.

A lot of things are "in the game". Helpusobi1 and noclip are in the game. Are they not cheats? They are? Even though they're In The Game?!?!? Great. Now please spare me from hearing such nonsense from now on.

[Cedrin]

I script lunge. It is faster then non scripted lunge. I'm not going to be at a disadvantage becuase someone else has it scripted.

If anyone thinks they can beat me overall in a 10 game match (1.04) NF, let me know. Send me an email at casca3200@hotmail.com and we can arrange a time to play.

Btw, I don't spam lunge if thats what your thinking.

[Jahs]

That was well put Luc Solar. I agree :)

[DeTRiTiC-iQ]

So it would also be considered cheating to disable force-speed trails? saber-trails? alter the cg_fov variable? change the hud to the simplified one which provides more information about mana?

All of these can only be changed via the console. the majority of people don't know about them, and they all give the person using them an advantage.

While we're at it, lets talk about keyboard configs, what if someone spends ages developing the most efficient keyboard configuration for their playing style? Nobody else uses it, and it would give them one hell of an advantage.

Surely recording a demo of me playing on a public server and viewing it later so that I can learn from my mistakes gives me an advantage? None of the demo-recording commands are in the manual, so therefore the people who know how to do it are quite select.

What about Team Communications scripts? I mean come on, they allow fast and efficient communication between team-members during the game, without even having to stop and type. Heck they can use them whilst in mid-air avoiding snipers. They give your team a massive advantage in CTF play. Is this cheating? Surely only the people who know how to script can get this advantage?

The fact is, combo scripts work well against newbie players, but against experienced players you need the flexibility and freedom to improvise in order to stand a chance. All my examples above give you an advantage no matter who you use them against, combos only give you an advantage against weaker players? Yet you consider the later to be cheating?

Look at it this way, I play on public servers to improve my skills, since the gameplay is much more unpredicatable. If I came across somebody who blatantly used combo scripts I would relish the challenge, how often do you get the chance to try and beat someone who can perform complex moves everytime, flawlessly.

In honesty, I think combo-scripts are cheating somewhat, but they are a challenge to be beaten, not an evil to whine about. Afterall they don't make you invincible, they don't let you fly, they don't let you walk through walls and they don' give you infinite ammo.

[FatalStrike]

DeTRiTiC is correct. His attitude about these scripters is a "winners mindset" which is to say he sees these things as challenges that he apparently enjoys over coming.

Everyone who wastes their time typing insults on servers about cheaters, whores, and spammers; lack this instinct and thus are usually not the best players. Some of you on this thread seem like the type that prefers to complain about everything instead of testing yourself against it.

BTW all that stuff DeTRiTiC mentioned about adjusting in the console is true. Scripts can sometimes do more harm to your game then good when faced with good opposition.

[ondrahosek]

When scripting can't be blocked by using the MAP command instwad of the DEVMAP command, why don't we contact Raven to make a new patch? Until now, I have heard two arguments that might need a new patch:

- Deflecting laser shots with Force Push should have an option in the Setup menu to switch it on and off for the ones who think deflecting lasers with a semi-abstract way is like telling George Lucas he should eliminate the saber, and on for those, who want to escape a firefight with having some fun.

- This cheating/scripting thing. Raven should block setting variables which may make an unfair game, and disable scripts that may do the same. This will surely not affect the server *owner*, whom the other players can tell he is unfair by exiting his game.
If the map is not started with the DEVMAP command, no one will be able to change anything (only the server owner, who will add bots). If the map IS started with the DEVMAP command, the players may cheat for themselves, but not edit variables like fraglimit, dowarmup, saberdamagescale or timelimit (which is again the owner's job).

But is it really such a hard job to browse the Internet or share the knowledge with others? When we are already so bad and cheat, why don't we give others the chance? This might be because of the good old My-knowledge-is-only-mine--I-am-Emperor-Palpatine system. (I have many more psychological questions.) So, DO bother putting all the knowledge on the Internet, and you surfers, DO BOTHER READING THEM!!! We will never be able to wipe out the evil away.
It's again the whole thing behind Star Wars: There is always something good in the evil (Darth Vader helping Luke to shut the Emperor down), and there is always something evil in the good (Luke flipping out and nearly killing the Emperor if Vader wouldn't block the saber).

Tiny poll:
Anybody understood, what I wrote?

[DeTRiTiC-iQ]

I choose A: Not Really

[ondrahosek]

Thank you for your post to the poll. You will be now taken back to the forum, where ondrahosek will ask you THE question: What did you not understand? Send me a Private Message with that. I see the forum is now filled.

[Spider AL]

Before I commence my input, I will draw readers' attention to the fact that I for one consistently constrain myself to abide by a stringent code of honour, and expect the same of members of my clan, [FW].

However, I do not expect those outside my clan to abide by the same code. I'd like them to, but I would be foolish to expect them to, and indeed foolish to ask them to. Those who like honour naturally gravitate towards a clan that will cater for those needs, and if someone is not already honourable, there's not much chance that a plea from another player will make them so.

Having established that, I have to say further that I personally consider anything that adds or subtracts something from the game code, program or engine, is the only thing that can be described as a cheat, because the word "cheat" has become (rightly) synonymous with the word "hack." Hacking the game is cheating, and it is the most dishonourable, most malicious and unpleasant thing anyone can do in an online game.

Multiple binds, scripts and/or the use of the mouse wheel in sabre locks... are NOT cheating, however, no matter how much people scream it. This is because of the intractible existence of the question "where does one draw the line?"

If using a script is cheating, is tweaking your display settings cheating? Is tweaking your connection cheating? What about forcing player models to make it easier to see and locate opponents, is that cheating?

Oh heck, let's go for broke. Is altering ANYTHING from the factory default "cheating?" Is buying a faster computer than anyone else "cheating?" Is having a lower ping than anyone else "cheating?" Is practicing until you're better than everyone else "cheating?"

Is a tennis player who buys a better racquet than his opponent a "cheat?"

Now you must see the truth. There is nowhere to draw the line. I choose not to use scripts for one reason and one reason only: I cannot be bothered to use them. I've never EVER needed them. But despite my disdain for them, I don't call those who use them "cheats," because if I did, I'd have to label everyone who's ever striven for a legal advantage in a game as a cheat. I locate my enemy's weak spot and attack it. Is that cheating? Is it unfair? No. It's the game. I get a bigger gun than my opponent, and I shoot them with it. Is that cheating? No. It's the game.

So we come to the question of rules. Well the simple fact is that there is only one universally accepted rule in the online gaming community, and that is "Thou shalt not cheat." game-hackers are outcasts, and rightly so. People don't have to be nice, people don't have to bow before duels, people don't have to avoid type-killing people. Is this right? Is it just? Who can say? Some people deserve to get killed while typing. Some people don't deserve a bow before a duel, and some people don't deserve niceness in conversation. I and many like me live by the rules of honour, BUT THAT IS OUR CHOICE. We have no right to order others to live by our personal codes.

So who has the right to make rules? Only server administrators have the right to make rules, and those rules only apply to the servers they administrate, once again rightly so. What kind of nazi "no gunz no moving no breathing" world would we live in if the vocal majority could force their pedestrian and self-serving codes of conduct down the throats of others? A fascist state, that's what.

So be thankful. Because the laws of personal freedom allow people to use scripts and be "k1ck-wh0r3s" and swear and do all sorts of horrible things, because those freedoms exist, we ALL have the freedom to define our own code of honour, we all have free-will.

You people may disagree (and vocally) with scripting, and call it "cheating" loudly, but watch out. If a law was passed by the world's governments this evening saying that nobody was allowed to script for the Q3 engine, what would the next law be? "Thou shalt not alter thy game settings from the factory defaults?" Oh, I know...

The next law would be "Thou shalt let those who whine a lot, win, in order to make them all happy."

:rolleyes:

[Homosexual Ewok]

One Universal truth in online gaming:

The first to accuse are usually the ones who use.

People always say things like "The majority of players don't hack/cheat; it's just a small portion who ruins it for everyone else."

If you agree with that you are living in a very sheltered world.

Counter-Strike is plagued with hacks because...well, a very, very large number of the players are hacking.


id software was done with Quake 3 after 1.31 patch.
A couple of months after the final point release was out, the OGC guys port over their CS multihack to Q3 and guess what?
You could not go on to any public server without seeing 7/10 players using it.

It caused the most popular mod team for that game (Urban Terror) to halt development on 2.6 until id responded with another patch because the hacking was so common and easy to do.


Look people, the script crap can not be stopped; it will not be stopped via a patch, so just deal with it.

If a person needs a script do something to begin with, maybe, just maybe they are not good/experienced players.

I know plenty of people who use saber lock scripts. I have 0 chance of beating them if we get into a lock. Is that unfair? Sure it is. So what do I do? I never swing the friggen saber at them, I just kick them, toss it at them, whatever. Anything scripted can be avoided just as if it was done manually, just use a little strategy when you play and don't flail around like a drunken chimpanzee.

[griff38]

SPIDER AL SAYS, "I consistently constrain myself to a stringent code of honour However, I do not expect those outside my clan to abide by the same code.

Ah, a natural born leader, if I ever join a clan I hope it is one like Spiders.

[griff38]

Master Ewok, when is the frater active? I have it in my favs and I have never seen it open

[FatalStrike]

Originally posted by griff38
SPIDER AL SAYS, "I consistently constrain myself to a stringent code of honour However, I do not expect those outside my clan to abide by the same code.

Ah, a natural born leader, if I ever join a clan I hope it is one like Spiders.

I really should say something but I will be nice today. :D

Originally posted by griff38
Master Ewok
You also replaced the word "homosexual" with "master" what's the deal with that?

[Break_dF]

That would be b/c Griff knows that ewok can kick his @$$....

[Guardian Omega]

Spider just saved my time, he just brought out the same point. Basically, he's just saying this: Anything in the game is not cheating. Scripting is in the game, therefore not cheating. If you don't know how to do it, it doesn't mean he's cheating. If one guy knows all stances, but a newbie only knows blue stance, does that mean the one who knows all is cheating?

[Doctor Shaft]

The script argument eh?

Well, if we were playing street fighter and you had scripts, I'd say you were cheating. The whole basis of the game is who is both strategic and proficient with the joystick and buttons. If you ever set your game to do all the special moves and crap together just by pressing a button, you just ruined the whole structure of the game. Plus, the program isn't really user friendly in terms of programming the moves in, though I'm sure it can be done.

JK2 is another matter though. If you use scripts for special moves, well, it's in the game, I can bind keys to use certain items rather than use a tedious button to scroll through the menu, so I guess you can program some stuff into one button. If you use it to do lunge and all that... well, I'm a purist, I have to go with Spider and say I have no need for them, or a want.

I'd say there is a limit though... if you have a script that prevented people from beating you ever, then I guess you've crossed the line in terms of honor, but I have never encountered something like that.

Counterstrike is ridden with scripts. In that game, scripting effects the game a great deal more than JK2. It's really sad though, because that it doesn't just provide something as simple as doing a lightsaber move, which we all know is one of the least frightening things in the game.

I feel scripting is like using the FAMAS in Firearms 2.6. It's in the game, and it's programmed as is, but the gun is so powerful that it's hard to miss. You kill faster with that smaller gun than you do with some of the more expensive ones. But hey, it's your perogative, go ahead, but you get no respect or love from me. Of course, JK2 scripting isn't as extreme as that... sometimes. If you use scripts, be my guest, just always take into account where your skills came from what your opponents setup is like before you start talking.

[griff38]

That would be b/c Griff knows that ewok can kick his @$$....

Yes, but I refered to him as master because I respect him. Unlike you Break_df.

[Break_dF]

You lost me there...I don't respect him/you? You don't respect me?...You aren't very clear there.

[Homosexual Ewok]

Originally posted by FatalStrike

You also replaced the word "homosexual" with "master" what's the deal with that?

Play me sometime...

Only guy I can't beat is Break_df...the #1 ranked (and one insanely amazing) full Force dueler in this game.

Hell, I don't think anyone could take that monster 10/0. :mad:

And griff our server is up, we just had it locked cuz of TWL matches/practice.

You should respect Break_df too man, he's a good guy; he just beats up on people so bad it makes him seem mean.

[griff38]

You aren't very clear there.......... ok

I would have no idea if you respect Ewok or not, I mean I don't have much respect for you.


Sorry if I was not clear.


OH great now i am a pit droid

[Aoshi]

well just put it this way.... cheating is more or less using some kinda external program to help you win. being resourceful is using the variables that are set in the game to your greatest advantage.

who really cares anyways though. there's no absolute way to prove that anyone actually cheated. if it really makes you feel better then go ahead and accuse them of cheating, but if you ever wanna get better you should observe them and see what they're doing that you arent. i personally dont even see the point of cheating even though i play this game to compete and win. what's the point of saying "i beat you but i had to have a helluva lot of help to do it"? i would rather say "i beat you because i'm more skilled than you and if you happened to cheat that just means i'm that much better than you are."

overall cheating does not improve one's playing ability all that much. even if you do use every cheat in the book, someone who is truly great will win every time because they will know how to adapt to it.

[ondrahosek]

SPIDER AL is fully right. Everybody draws the line elsewhere. What IS and what IS NOT cheating? Define this to me. I'm sure that your opinion is quite different from mine.

It is going to be the question of the server "master". He is going to draw the line. If Raven will proceed with the 1.05 request, he might be the one. If not, *sigh* draw the line yourself. *a very heavy sigh* At the end of the day, we will once more hear the sentence that always exists, even if we remove the planets, sabers, starships and other surreal things. Humans are built this way.
There is always something good in the evil, and something evil in the good.
This is not a sentence from the Star Wars world. It is the sentence from this world.
Everyone cheats. Even my friend, who is a real introvert, and who wouldn't do anything illegal, walks down the staircase, which is only for shoes, with his slippers. He tries to cover it up by saying, "Everyone does that!" Still, he is cheating, doing something illegal.

I can be really sentimental. And, because of all the things happening in my school, I am good at psychology. I learn more and more because of the two choleric teachers (class teacher *shoot!* and the german teacher (who "bosses" the other German group around; I am happy to be in the better group, where the teacher is really nice to everyone)) we have in our school, and the other two-legged cretins (teachers) who teach me everything I will "need", but mainly teach me life. (And if the cretins don't drive me crazy, I am OK with them.)

My opinion to it all - this world and the life - varies. But there is one word that describes it best:
DUHHHHHHHHHHH!

(OK, let's say I have something in common with that smiley under my name.)

[thehomicidalegg]

my stance on combat script is that if you are mucking around and the other person(s) know you are going to use scripts, then its fine, but if its a competitive match, using scripts are only fooling yourself. Although Scripts only does what other ppl can do without scripts(except for teh yawspeed adjustments), by scripting, one is facilitating the execution of a move that would otherwise be more complicated relatively (e.g running lunge) and gives the user an UNFAIR advantage... unless both of you are using scripts.

As for most ppl dont know about scripts, i hate to sound pessimistic, but at least a significant portion of players use scripts ... the most common being teh sabrelock breaking script.

[Lightsaberboy]

what's the saber lock breaking script?

[Doctor Shaft]

the saberlock breaking script does all the attack tappin and stuff for you when you get into a saberlock. So, rather than pushing the attack button and force pushes to win, you just have this script do the command for you, and of course it can do it a million times faster, hence destroying your opponent every time you get in a saber lock, unless he also has a script.

Don't get it. It's not worth it. Of course, some people are so worried about winning that they'll do whatever it takes to simplify the game to the point that everything is done for them.

Like I said before, and I'll say again.

Use scripts all you want, just remember where you got your skills FROM before you start talking. :fett:

[Acer Palmatum]

Originally posted by Homosexual Ewok
If a person needs a script do something to begin with, maybe, just maybe they are not good/experienced players.

Or maybe they are a great gamer for fully analyzing the scope of the game, and taking the best course of action they can to win. ;)

And on a different note...

It's a great thing this modern world. We all seem to have the right now to redefine the language we use to our own personal liking. :rolleyes:

Cheating is not a term that is open for debate or opinions. Cheating is breaking the rules. Period. At least if we are to accept that the Webster's Dictionary is a compilation of accepted words and their definitions in the English language. If you like, you can look it up in the Oxford Dictionary, but I think you will find a very similar definition. ;)

Show me where YOU have YOUR rules posted, and I'll tell you who is a cheater. If you have no server with posted rules, then quit whining, live by the rules (anything that is possible) set forth by the game designers, and quit trying to redefine the language on a minute by minute basis to suit your purposes and points. :D

If the game designers thought scripts, binds, combos, etc. were cheating, do you think they would still be in the game? If you don't like it, them make your own server/clan and appropriate rules to go along with it, or STFU.
:chop1:

[MysticSpade]

so i take it Acer that u r one of these script users that no one likes. but my server runs the rules. if they are bent or broken they are kicked off.

[lllKyNeSlll]

scripts don't really help. only the kick script and saber winning script can help and even if you are elite, kicks script won't help you much. in gunning games even those two scripts are useless.
so what im saying is scripts don't really help you unless your a complete newb.

[Break_dF]

Kynes is correct. For the truly skilled, the only script worth even thinking about using is the saber lock breaking script. Personally, I refrain from using it but couldn't f*cking care less if someone uses it. The only thing that pisses me off is when I'm kicked out of 2-3 servers a day for "scripting"...abusive admins and whining n00bs--the world is full of them.

[lllKyNeSlll]

i agree for getting kicked. listen to this story.
i came in with the leader at about 30 points. in 10 min i was at 40 and the leader at 38 and they kicked me because they said i was a grip whore. i didn't even have grip on cuz i was light. i was mainly pushing. and they were stupid enough to jump near edges. and then all i do is push. when i go in bespin from floor 2 to 3. they force jump with me. and all i need to do is force push. they kicked me because they thought i gripped and i was a lighty . thats pretty crazy

[Break_dF]

lol, that sh!t happens all the time.

[Luc Solar]

That is quite sad.

I've only got kicked once. (!!)

The reason? >> I kicked the admin. :eek:

He told me stop kicking, but proceeded to DFA-DFA-DFA-DFA-DFA me. It gets boring to just sidestep the, so...I kicked him. He got mad and I was out. :rolleyes:

...moron. :(

(I'd still like to point out that the issue whether or not scripts are useful or can be countered is a whole new argument)

And yeah...whiners should be shot. The only time I admit commenting on someone's style was back in the 1.03-crazy-spinning (yawspeed)-backstab-assfighting-times. It was sooo ridiculous. :(

[Lightsaberboy]

well, there's that old saying that says "cheaters never prosper." if these scripters are winning then they cant be cheaters now can they?
hmmmmmmm
anyways, how does one usually tell if someone is scripting besides seeing them do the same sequence of moves in prefection all the time?

[Acer Palmatum]

Originally posted by MysticSpade
so i take it Acer that u r one of these script users that no one likes. but my server runs the rules. if they are bent or broken they are kicked off.
Umm... BZZZZZZZT! But I have the right to use them as long as it is not against the rules on the server I am playing on. :)

[Kurgan]

Maybe we should leave it at that... use scripts if you want to, but if the server forbids it specifically, don't use it, or find another server that has rules more to your liking.

Personally, I tend more to side with the people that say "if you're good enough you can beat people even if they use scripts."

It would be interesting if there was a server side option that would simply disable all scripting that couldn't be done normally in the menus of the game itself (rather than the console) for multiplayer, and then admins could simply choose to use it or not.

But since that isn't currently in place, we have to just live with it, so I suggest the solution above.

[ShockV1.89]

Originally posted by Break_dF
lol, that sh!t happens all the time.
No, I dont think it does... trust me, I intentionally go looking for bad servers with admins like that. They're hard to find...

:D

[DeTRiTiC-iQ]

Originally posted by Kurgan
Maybe we should leave it at that... use scripts if you want to, but if the server forbids it specifically, don't use it, or find another server that has rules more to your liking.

Personally, I tend more to side with the people that say "if you're good enough you can beat people even if they use scripts."

It would be interesting if there was a server side option that would simply disable all scripting that couldn't be done normally in the menus of the game itself (rather than the console) for multiplayer, and then admins could simply choose to use it or not.

But since that isn't currently in place, we have to just live with it, so I suggest the solution above.

This solution will also screw up CTF play, more than half of my settings are only configurable through the console.

[BlackDove]

Hehehe, new peeps are still writing essays about this....

Well I guess that never stops as long as the game will last...maybe you should set up a poll on "do you think scripting is cheating" and the bigger number of votes makes everyone think the same way

no?

didn't think so ;)

[Break_dF]

Well, Shock, I guess I should say that it happens to me all the time. Obviously, you're going to the right servers and I'm going to the wrong ones.

[AOD_SySsHoCK]

would you guys concider this a cheat type of script (its happend to me once)
you kick(for a knock down) switch to red and do the lunge attack for the kill??

[MysticSpade]

ok i do that move perfectly w/o a script. some servers consider it cheap to hit while down some allow it. but that is one of my signature moves. but if it's done w/o a script it's cool with me. with one NOT cool.

[Luc Solar]

What has that got to do with scripting???

I scripts would be something like (back in the 1.03-days): with a press of a single button you manage to successfully pull the opponent down, put absorb on, turn around and execute a 2520-degree (yawspeed) spinning backstab that does about 2100 points of unblockable damage…

Now that’s a script.

Theoretically one could come up with a scripts that does the following:

Let’s imagine that we’re playing a game of CTF with 5 spawning points. ”Simply” create 5 scripts, one for every spawning point that do the following: Put on rage/absorb+speed >>> bunnyhop to the enemy base and cap the flag. All it takes is the press of one button. If someone happens to be in the way or pull/pushes/grips you off course…well, no biggie. Try again. Not like frags would matter in CTF anyways. OR one could create a script that does the same when you have managed to get hold of the flag  speed/rage back to ”safety”.

(All you l337 people, relax. I’m just trying to make a point. ;) )

[Aoshi]

theoretically it would work... but you'd only be able to cap against n00bs. good ctf players see which route you normally take and then disrupt that route. i know it was only an example and it could also be used to compare with dueling. what differentiates a n00b from an expert? well obviously experience but what comes with experience? the ability to adapt to suit a given condition. good players know how to do this. crappy ones do not. a person who knows how to adapt to certain situations will almost always beat someone who does not even if the unskilled person can do every move that the skilled one can do 100% of the time (an example of this is in 1.03, i had a hard time defending against the pull,backstab,yawspeed attack but then i learned to do a yellow special right when they started it and kill them instantly. that is an example of me adapting to their lame attack). to sum up my arguement, if you think you're really good then you shouldnt complain about scripters because you should be able to beat them anyways. if you cant then either practice, get rid of your 'honorable jedi code of ethics' and play dirty to win, or lose.

[MysticSpade]

hey Aoshi those be some wise words. but i have a question for you. when did you ever adapt to the situations i put you in, i remember you havin a very hard time beatin me. lol j/k man but those are words of truth that you spoke.......er uh typed....yeah typed.

[InfErnO]

Originally posted by griff38
Hello, I have played with real people for just under 4 months now. And a game does not go bye without someone being called a cheater.

Why?

Why is anyone who is winning a cheater?
Can any of you who think you are being cheated, site an example?



I can tell you why. Cause most of the JK/JK2 players are idiots.
I hope that answers your question.

[InfErnO]

Originally posted by Lightning


well it is:rolleyes:

BS, it is not. I didn't use scripts in multi and didn't care if someone did cause I always knew I could do the same if I wanted. Therefore it is not cheating, foolish one.

Anyway if it annoys you so much just write some scripts and copy them to your game folder. If you detect a scripter just load your script and beat him with his own weapons.

Just use your brain.

[Hybrid-Halo]

Firstly I'll state that using scripts that perform moves other players are doing manually is 100% without a doubt a form of cheating. No different to aimbotters in counterstrike and such, they are using scripts that aim for them.
It is an unfair advantage and therefore should be stopped.
However...I agree entirely with the idea that someone that is skilled enough to adapt themselves to any given situation will always beat someone that is not. But so what about the players that can adapt and also have scripts. That still leaves them with an advantage.

Secondly. Many people do get frustrated if they are losing and of course, there are amazing players that legitimately whoop everyones ass. The people that call these people cheaters without any real proof or reason to are just in my eyes, bad losers. Being beaten is one of the best ways to learn new techniques and if you don't know why you lost a duel, the fault is at your end. Watch more closely next time.

Lastly, People are over eager to call you a lamer, recently I played on a server and my opponent was VERY unhappy with my kicks, although they caused him no damage because of the server. This annoyed me a little.

Seems like people are only willing not to whine if you play by their rules, and of course. If you are not only following your own rules, you lose.

[DSbr-HaZe]

why do u people even bother arguing about script usage?

a.) the only people who complain about them are newbies

b.) yes they are so incredibly cheap yet every pro gaming league(and these guys are just as nerdy as u RPGing saberists except they actually have skill) and every jk2 ladder allows them.

what does this mean? get over it, competitive play allows it, if it were deemed as giving an unfair advantage over players they wouldnt be allowed. the fact is, if u have a personal quarrel with scripting then fine, learn how to do it without a script.

its a back and forth battle and in the end they are allowed in EVERY major competitive gaming scene. it is only here and with newbies that you ever hear complaints about it.

oh before u go calling all the "elite" players lame cheaters as u would so like to, most dont use scripts, if they do its for something useful or to save time, not because they cant do something. and it does not change the basics of any fps INTELLIGENCE

[Hybrid-Halo]

You're right. A script although cheap and lame still needs to be aimed unless of course it won't hit.
Also, pretty much every attack is avoidable in one way or another. So regardless how many moves a scripter pulls off perfectly, A pro should still be able to overcome them.

I simply dislike the fact that anyone should gain any form of advantage, I don't see scripting in order to improve in the same light as learning how to accurate execute moves.

[DSbr-HaZe]

advantages are unfortunate but they are present.


the fact that u may be getting 200 fps on your gf4 card and im getting only 50 on my crappy laptop for instance is a much greater advantage.

i have less control over that than i do over a script(which gives u much less if any advantage).

when it comes down to it tho its opinion

and im not bothering to get into an arguement on these forums because of the thickheadedness of some of the posters. i just felt people should be aware of the fact that scripts are generally excepted in every game ladder/competition.

except the obvious headshot scripts which are still pretty worthless if u ask me

[Hybrid-Halo]

Oh yes, I've only been registered a few hours and already I've seen a few no-brainers.
And yes, connection speed aswell as frame rate all contributes to skill loss.
So I guess I agree with you there.

[lllKyNeSlll]

Originally posted by Hybrid-Halo
Firstly I'll state that using scripts that perform moves other players are doing manually is 100% without a doubt a form of cheating. No different to aimbotters in counterstrike and such, they are using scripts that aim for them.
It is an unfair advantage and therefore should be stopped.
However...I agree entirely with the idea that someone that is skilled enough to adapt themselves to any given situation will always beat someone that is not. But so what about the players that can adapt and also have scripts. That still leaves them with an advantage.

Secondly. Many people do get frustrated if they are losing and of course, there are amazing players that legitimately whoop everyones ass. The people that call these people cheaters without any real proof or reason to are just in my eyes, bad losers. Being beaten is one of the best ways to learn new techniques and if you don't know why you lost a duel, the fault is at your end. Watch more closely next time.

Lastly, People are over eager to call you a lamer, recently I played on a server and my opponent was VERY unhappy with my kicks, although they caused him no damage because of the server. This annoyed me a little.

Seems like people are only willing not to whine if you play by their rules, and of course. If you are not only following your own rules, you lose.


its not like scripts really can boost ur skill much haze. u should know. u still own mercy even using whatever scripts he has

[DSbr-HaZe]

he speaks of some zone tournament which he the best at or whatever, yet he has continually been asked to join www.teamwarfare.com ladders with BSB, i honestly doubt he could compete with us, specially since he makes up lies about how he beat some of us when this has never occured.

[lllKyNeSlll]

haze can u ask aeron or jza if i can join darksaber?

[Srikin Talilles]

emotes. I haven't met a cheater in-game yet, probably cus I use JediMod. But if I had the chance to meet one, I'd use speed and run and slash. :D

[Kanavit]

i'm not a cheater

[DSbr-HaZe]

jza isnt in dsbr

u can ask aeron

[Admiral Derski]

Originally posted by lllKyNeSlll
i agree for getting kicked. listen to this story.
i came in with the leader at about 30 points. in 10 min i was at 40 and the leader at 38 and they kicked me because they said i was a grip whore. i didn't even have grip on cuz i was light. i was mainly pushing. and they were stupid enough to jump near edges. and then all i do is push. when i go in bespin from floor 2 to 3. they force jump with me. and all i need to do is force push. they kicked me because they thought i gripped and i was a lighty . thats pretty crazy

Ive been called an absorb whore, Beat that one!!!!

[Spider AL]

I think being called a gun-whore on a guns server takes the cake, frankly.

/me eats the cake

:D

[lllKyNeSlll]

hey spider i never tried this yet but can u super or pulse grip in jo? i.e. like in ff bgj by tapping use force

of course it won't be useful since its easy to break grip

and of course i never used it in jk

[Spider AL]

I think supergrip was a bug of a type unique to JK, Kynes... If you find a way to SG in JO though, don't hesitate to post it here so that everyone's on an even footing. ;)

[DSbr-HaZe]

u mean so everyone can whine some more

[Hekx]

I've been playing CTF saber-only ever day for a few months now, I've encountered many 'scripters'
Most popular is the 'Kick Scripter'
A while ago, when I was quite new to MP combat, downloaded a script which had binds for: backstab, kick, all the 3 stances specials. At first I thought it would help me. If people use scripts to learn the moves, that's okay. But it does leave an unfair advantage to other players on the server, who have spent time learning the moves. Most kick scripters hop about too much, so you can always spot them ;)
When I started using the script, I unbinded fewer, and fewer moves, because to be honest, I knew how to backstab and do the blue special. I then continued to observe the moves from the script and the commands to execute them. This did help me to learn the moves.

Anyway, if scripters can execute the moves without the script, then using the script seems okay.
But scripters are still spoiling the game for others.
Scripts take away all the fun from the game.
Scripts = Cheats.
Just like using cheats in SP; scripts are the cheats of MP. If the person cannot perform the moves manually. If they can, then it's another story.

Is there really a point to having a kick, followed by a kick then a DFA binded to key?

There's lots of tips / cheats / exploits in MP; unreachable places, faster speed, etc.

If someone was able to sidekick me off the edge before I could, I probably would be pissed, but it seems they're a better sidekicker than me :) I don't see that as cheating, aslong as it was them not a script.
If your read all that, you must be bored. So the bottom line is:
If you can't perform the moves in the script without the script; it's cheating
But I still see scripts as cheating :)

Thank you :)

[FK|FallenOne]

I'm so sick of people blasting good kickers, calling them scriptors. Listen. Anyone who knows how to kick really well, and owns your @$$ with kicks, more than likely ISNT using a script. I get called a kick scriptor all the time. I just laugh. The kicks I do, how and when I execute them would not be able to be done via a script. Especially when it's against a moving target. And no, people that are always jumping around aren't necessarilly using a script either. They're probably strafe jumping to gain speed. Granted there are probably people out there that use scripts. But just because you get owned by someone kicking your teeth in, don't assume they're a scriptor. They're probably just better than you, and have played the game longer.

[cybersurfur]

Personally i dont see what the big hubub is all about, i think everyone by now who has been playing the game has a moral idea of what is cheating and what isnt. Cheating is cheating theres no way to argue that its OK to cheat(In my view that includes using scripts and editing all sorts in the game to give to yourself a biger advantage.) and the "Its ok cos ever1 does it" line is a load of shizzer cos if everyone turned into a load of homosydal maniacs than would you do it? No!! So shut ur cake hole!:mad:
If your gonna cheat then whats the point in playing the game absolutly pointless cos you can now do everything..dah!!

So in conclusion, cheating leads to the anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to the Dark Side. Catch my drift?

:atat:

Later Peeps

cyberyoda

[Neko Lain]

Ok, i'm just gonna add what i think is cheating and what not.

I belive abusing bugs is cheating.
I don't belive using scripts is cheating.

Lame is excesive abusing of something in the game which gives him or her an advantage.

I myself use acouple of scripts, because i think they make the job easier, let me make an eksample.
The lounge script for eksample, if i wore to do it manually, i'd manage to pull it off 60% of the time, and making alot of work for myself, but if i use a script, i can manage to pull it of 90% of the time.
I also use a kick script, yes i partially agree that it is "kinda" lame, but i have a golden rule.
I never use kick as a primary attack, cause i belive it affects the way my opponent plays that i'm forcing him to resort to "lame" moves.
I only use kick for defending or part of a combination.
When i say defending i mean, if i know someone is going to kick me, i will rather kick him first, then dodge his attempt.

A good example of the fact that pulling moves off requires timeing and skill rather then just a combination with a script is the yellow stance special move.
I tried a script which did just that, but i found out it was alot better to do it manually, because then you had alot more control, and the success rating was alot higher.


Now another part which is brought to my atension, is that people think that only newbies, or losers use scripts, that is not true, alot of people use scripts regardless what skill they have.
And it's not cheating, even if you abuse it, it isen't cheating, then your just being lame.
Scripts just make the job easier, i can still pull of every move without problem, but with a script i can pull it of easier, and with higher success rating, but it still requires timeing and perfection, and that is what fighting is all about, timeing.

A player who has scripts for everything would make him very predicteble, but simple moves scripted just makes it easier to pull off, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Like scripting the dfa, this mean you have only one way of doing that move, you can't "customise" it while pulling it off.

People who claim that scripting is cheating, of lame, really should rethink their argument, because it is being ignorant. Being lame is about how you play, not what you use to play.
And any script moves is nothing, if you don't know how to use them.

[lllKyNeSlll]

omg. kick dfa is fine to do without the script.
most ppl just can't do it cuz they move too far and jump over them with the dfa.
im not one of the elite+ at sabz but i can hit kick dfa 9 out of 10 on a flat surface, 4 out of 5 on a uneven surface, and 1/2 when the person uses push.

[Luc Solar]

Originally posted by Neko Lain

I belive abusing bugs is cheating.
I don't belive using scripts is cheating

Lame is excesive abusing of something in the game which gives him or her an advantage.

Hmmm...really? I'd say:

Abusing bugs is lame.
Using certain scripts is cheating.
Excessive use/spamming of just about anything is lame. If a guy does nothing but rolls backwards, that's sorta lame, stupid and boring.

Arguing about what is "honorable" or the "right way to play the game" or "lame" is hopeless. Some people think 2 lunges in one duel is spamming, dishonorable etc. Others do not. There's no way to find a compromise that would suit everybody.

However, I am amazed that some people still refuse to accept that certain scripts are blatant cheats.

I have argued my case in this thread enough already. I'll just quote a few pro-scripters. I think they do a pretty good job in proving my point. ;)

The lounge script for eksample, if i wore to do it manually, i'd manage to pull it off 60% of the time, and making alot of work for myself, but if i use a script, i can manage to pull it of 90% of the time.


Scripts just make the job easier....with a script i can pull it of easier, and with higher success rating...

Cheating means taking an unfair advantage, since anyone can bind a script how is it unfair?

I'm not going to be at a disadvantage becuase someone else has it scripted.

competitive play allows it

To sum it up: "It's in the game, others are doing it and you could do it too"

The only somewhat valid argument, imho, is the last one: competitive players have agreed on accepting scripting. That, however, only means to me that competetive gamers use certain cheats. Scripts are accepted and thus "fair" (still cheating, though) in their community.

I've commented on the rest of the retarded arguments earlier. Please just think about it for a moment, I'll give you yet another example of this wonderful logic used:

Guys are playing hockey. One guy takes the blade off his skates, sharpens it and tapes it on to his hockey stick. He then goes out on the ice and decapitates the opposing teams goalie.

Did he do something wrong?

Of course not! The blade and stick were

IN THE GAME AND USING THOSE TOOLS MADE WINNING EASIER AND EVERYONE ELSE CAN DO THE SAME INSTEAD OF WHINING ABOUT IT! DUH!


............ :rolleyes:

But hey: whatever makes you feel better... you can justify to yourself just about any action as long as you don't use your brain.

[Spider AL]

Ahem, decapitating another ice hockey player is not only illegal in law, but is also against the rules of ice hockey. Scripting is not against any law, nor is there any rulebook for JO. Therefore it cannot be classified as cheating.

I think they're stupid and lame too, but I don't think they qualify as cheats.

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44054

Oh, my mistake. There's the rulebook. :D

[DSbr-HaZe]

im not a pro-scripter luc lol

i dont use them

competitive play allows them because in general people who play competitivly dont whine about every little thing which may be giving their opponent an advantage

and the fact is a script really doesnt give u an advantage

u cannot program logic into a script, and its more important to be smart than it is to hit a button

take pro tennis for example

they are all basically on the same skill level, yet who wins is generally due to the court surface (map?) and who is mentally and physically stronger at that moment in time.

the same applies for any fps

a single script or even a few scripts which will perform moves etc. will not give u an advantage over an intelligent player and this is why competitive players have no gripes about them. they adapt, they find other ways to beat their opponent.

other reason might be that the jk2 competive play doesnt involve sabers (CTF, TDM)

what is and isnt a cheat is once again determined by someones morals

its pretty standard for aimbots/wallhacks to be considered cheats because they give u an obvious advantage

a script does not necessarily give u an advantage in jk2

[Acer Palmatum]

If I hear "I think..." in reference to what is or is not cheating one more time, I will fall on my saber. It's not subject to your opinion unless we are playing on YOUR server folks. ;) Your opinion of the "spirit" of the game, or what is "lame" does not constitute the definition of cheating unless you are hosting and everyone is made aware of the rules.

I see many reasonable people here that admit they don't like one or another particular aspect of someone else's game play, but also admit that it is not against the rules. Kudos to those people. :wavey: They are mature enough to realize that there is always someone better, regardless of their ethics or methods. ;)

Anyone that can own me in the game by any means is someone deserving respect IMHO. And they are someone I can learn from. Unless they are c ocky, and have some kill counter that refers to everyone as a noob, and tells them how worthless they or their mother are or otherwise show that they are a poor sport... :D Or if they are FK|FallenOne and have killed me a million times in CTF while playing FK against all with 4 FK members vs. 10+ non members. ;) j/k Fallen. :D

And that Hockey argument makes no sense at all... :p Fighting is against the rules. I think decapitating opposing players would be considered fighting... at least. ;) Now if you were playing Rollerball... :urpdude:

[FatalStrike]

It's incredible this has gone on this long.

You can't stop scripting no matter how strongly you feel about it. You can't be sure that someone is or isn't using them.

What you can do...

Is play the game and have fun.

So enjoy!

(Come play 1.02 it's more fun, IMHO.)

[Luc Solar]

Originally posted by DSbr-HaZe
im not a pro-scripter luc lol

i dont use them

competitive play allows them because in general people who play competitivly dont whine about every little thing which may be giving their opponent an advantage

and the fact is a script really doesnt give u an advantage
what is and isnt a cheat is once again determined by someones morals

its pretty standard for aimbots/wallhacks to be considered cheats because they give u an obvious advantage

a script does not necessarily give u an advantage in jk2

Okay. First of all I didn't accuse you of being a pro-scripter. Second of all...well, and if I did, so what? Sue me. :joy:

Third of all.....uh....I forget.

But fifth if all: there is a difference between scripts and scripts. If a script changes your saber colour, so what? Only scripts that give you some sort of advantage might be considered cheating.
I doubt I have to explain to all the l337d3wdz here that CTF is a whole different game. Sabers play a only minor role. The setting is quite different in, say, a saber only FFA.


Fourth of all...no wait..nevermind.. Anyways - the point isn't whether or not scripters can be beaten.

But if someone comes out and says that the game designers had spesifically in mind that players should go and create their little notepad-files filled with complex commands in the JKII folder and bind all that to certain keys, then...well, I'll just :explode:

Post scriptum: I have never ever whined about anything in a JK II game (expect for those 1.03 retarded ridiculous assfighters)

[FatalStrike]

but at least he can jump...

Here is Luc trying to slam, who says White Men can't jump? (or is it White men can't please their ladies?....oh well whatever)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/pca96f21eb72f5297b2922fddbb46099f/fd116e55.jpg.orig.jpg

and so what if this post has nothing to do with the topic? The topic has nothing to do with anything important anyway...right?

[Luc Solar]

Originally posted by FatalStrike
but at least he can jump...

Here is Luc trying to slam, who says White Men can't jump? (or is it White men can't please their ladies?....oh well whatever)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/pca96f21eb72f5297b2922fddbb46099f/fd116e55.jpg.orig.jpg


:freakout:

Heeeeeeeyyyyy! You can't do that... ? :confused: You can't post a pic of Me?! That's got to be against some basic forum rules!! ...right? :D

Oh well. Since you exposed me, I might as well come clean.. Yeah, I have the jump scripted and I even used a detpack to get up there...not to mention the lunge-float exploit. I'm such a hypocrite. :(

lol

:ninja2:

And I can please my lady just fine!!
......who have you been talking to?! They're all lies!! Lies I tell you LIES!! :swear: I got mad $killz! (but don't ask me to prove it to you.. It might be kind of awkward)

[FK|FallenOne]

LMAO @ Acer. Dude, I was just looking through my screenshots for that game but I guess I didn't take one. I do have screens of 4 of us FK's layin the smaketh down on 10 other people back to back maps. 4 v 10 winning 4 to 1 and 3 to 1, but niether of them had you on it. Dunno if you DCed before I hit the shot button or what. Gotta realize that's gonna happen though. We compete together all the time, you and those 9 other unfortunate souls don't play together as much as we do.

Back to the topic however. I have to agree that scripting isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I think it's because there's no true way to really cheat in this game that people have to find the next closest thing to whine about. Personally, anyone I go up against, script all you want, I'll be able to see what you're doing quickly enough to adjust that all the scripted moves you throw at me won't make a splinter of difference as my boot kicks your teeth in.

To the Dsbr guy. Um...I hate to burst your bubble but just because TWL is monopolized by you guns/ff ctf'ers doesn't mean that the majority of the JK2 competition is guns. In fact there are more saber ladders then guns ladders. TWL has FF and NF Saber only 1v1 ladders as well as TDM FF sabers. Provinggrounds has a couple 1v1 and 2v2 sabers ladders. OGL HAD some but appears to have discontinued all JK2 gaming. Clannetwork had 3 sabers only ladders/tournaments but they've discontinued the game as well it appears as it's been 2 months since the last update for the JK2 area. Gleagues.com ONLY does sabers, one duel ladder and one tffa ladder. And Barrysworld is sponsoring a sabers only ctf league which many of us like to play. I don't get why you guys on the TWL forums talk so much crap about saber only people. It's ridiculous. And as I said there, I'll say here...there are plenty other FPS games that I'd rather play if I wanted guns, like UT2k3 for example.

The rest of you, take comfort in the fact that guys like GEEZus have been banned from these forums. The TWL forums are nothing but flame wars and constant bashing of those of us that like this game for what it was made for, IE the lightsaber!

[Spider AL]

While the lightsabre is a key aspect of the game, it's not everything. Perhaps sabre-only fanatics get a "bashed" a lot because they tend to be unwilling to accept that the DF series has more to it than mere lightsabre usage, and unwilling to show respect to those who enjoy other styles of play.

There's always someone on a guns CTF server or a guns FFA server who ends up complaining about being shot. Perhaps sabre-heads should save their ire, and direct it at those members of their own faction who give the rest a bad name.

[DSbr-HaZe]

i played sabers nf originally in jk1 and then moved to ff, because i was 12 and thought it was cool to have a lightsaber and swing it around like they do in the movies.

the fact is we have played sabers fooling around, and beaten a ton of saber clans, yes it takes some intelligence and knowledge of when to do what but the team aspect is really just ffa without being able to kill some people

and ctf is a waste sabers only

duels i can understand they just lack the other aspects i enjoy such as map control etc.

the reason we bash the saberists is because of 1.03 and the fact that this forum as most saberists whine whine whined about the fact that they were joining servers and being shot by guns.

yes there are more saber competitions and this is one of the reasons the game didnt take off. can you shoutcast a 1v1 duel sabers? or even tdm sabers only?

it also has to do with the community outside of jk2. nobody cares about hearing about some saber match

and if jk2 was to ever pick up at LANs or tournaments i guarantee it wouldn't have been with sabers. and i mean REAL tournys like WCG (which pG i think was petiitioning or something at one point) but once again because everyone associates this game with lightsabering whiners nobody cares, hence no competitions

while most games have their newbie groups, generally on pubs(as this game does too), the majority of jk2 players generally have no clue

hence we get people accusing us of using programs which perform our map runs for us (lol)

and hence why i am accused of using cogs in jk2

its a pathetic community, TWL trash talks simply out of boredom or to get a response, call it kiddy but it gets a laugh every now and then

point is: there is no real competition in this game and yes TWL is the closest thing

[lllKyNeSlll]

Originally posted by Spider AL
While the lightsabre is a key aspect of the game, it's not everything. Perhaps sabre-only fanatics get a "bashed" a lot because they tend to be unwilling to accept that the DF series has more to it than mere lightsabre usage, and unwilling to show respect to those who enjoy other styles of play.

There's always someone on a guns CTF server or a guns FFA server who ends up complaining about being shot. Perhaps sabre-heads should save their ire, and direct it at those members of their own faction who give the rest a bad name.

umm spider al. didn't u used to play only ff bgj and not oasis. no offense but just wondering what was ur reason. cuz jza said that his reason was that he was no good at oasis

[lllKyNeSlll]

hey haze were u elite as nf sabz like hexen and end or did u go ff then get leet.?

can u post those ip's again where the dsbr play?

hoodwinked said that darksaber=latinogamer on teamwarfare. is that true?

[DSbr-HaZe]

yes we are gamerslatino on twl

lol u mean elite once nf sabs became nf hacks??

i was good back in the days IRN ruled ladder etc. but never god of NF bgj

jza=hack

i only played nf for like a year or so it got incredibly boring

there really is nothing to it than moving out of way and hitting fire

[FK|FallenOne]

Haze, if Sabers Only CTF is so ridiculous, why then are there more active clans in sabers only CTF then there are on the TWL CTF Ladder. {FK}, =X=, |NJS|, |WoV|, [SFI], *DiK, |J*W|, [KOR], and (>GX<) are some just to name a few. And Us (FK), =X= and NJS all have Saber Only CTF Pubs up and they're always full. I own the FK server and I'm having to add slots to it because it's always full. If Sabers Only CTF is worthless why is there a bigger community of it then Guns CTFers?

On the note that "their's so much more to the Dark Forces series". Well, this isn't the Dark Forces Series anymore. It's now the "Jedi Knight Series". This is laid out by lucasarts themselves. When they released that little survey as to whether or not they should continue with the series they said JEDI KNIGHT series, not Dark Forces.

I'll say for one last time. Why did you all get this game? Because of the guns? I doubt it. Because of the use of Force Powers, more likely. Because of the lightsaber, highly likely. No matter how you guns lovers want to dress it up now, you know you went out and got this game because you wanted to run around hacking people up with a lightsaber. Not run around blasting the most spammable guns of any FPS. But noone's who's a diehard gunner's gonna admit it. They're gonna run their mouths calling us saber only fans noobs. Like GEEZus did to me on TWL forum. Funny thing is, I know I'd own him in any saber and force games, and I told him if he wanted to challenge me to guns to go out and by UT2K3, and I'd own him in a guns game. He never answered that. Listen gunners. The way this game is set up, ANY NOOB, can go buy the game, learn the basics of force powers, jump into a guns mp server, and wreck some form of havok. The guns were designed so that the EVERYDAY joe could have fun killing people. Saying you're "elite" with the guns in this game...well, like I told GEEZus, load up UT2K3 and we'll go head to head to see who's the real noob.

[DSbr-HaZe]

fallenone that just shows how ridiculously stupid you are

the armor respawns every 20 seconds(did u even know that???) the guns at full ammo allow maybe 10 shots, now assuming you hit every shot u might get a kill, however with 20 second respawns it is simple to run from a fight, grab armor rinse repeat, hence any decent players playing guns could go on forever with hardly any frags. lack of ammo and abundance of armor hardly makes this at all like the average game. its crap

and no most of us did not buy this game to run around pretending to be jedi

and none of us will ever again play any game in the JK series because of lucasarts catering to idiots who pretend to be jedi

the fact that your community may be bigger makes no difference

it is talentless

and yes we have played sabers only ctf and it is a waste of time

if you knew anything about fps perhaps i would listen

the guns are hardly set up so any old joe can just play

i could say the same about sabers/guns in ANY OTHER GAME

no **** they are

its the good players who learn the maps, learn control, learn defensive routes, learn how to play like a team etc.

jk1 was a great game because sabers and guns were split yes, but the skill level was still present

there wasnt 1 decent player for every 100 idiot whining saber newbies such as yourself

i understand the game is called JEDI KNIGHT that arguement is retarded as there are guns there are options for sabers only

they are separate, i have never bashed saberists, the fact is though most of them are newbie in how they react and in how they play, there is SOME skill involved, but its the same as a mod like ra3, just timing and aim.

and a LOT of people played guns in jk1, a lot played sabers, as i said i got my jedi bs fix overwith when i was 12, sorry if i grew up :\ a lot of us played guns in jk1 and were looking for even better teamplay in jk2

who do u play ut2k3 for? im sure u suck so plz stfu especially if u think u own pubs

[Lightsaberboy]

yea. im sick of hearing people say that "guns suck, use a saber, it's star wars you noob" sure it's star wars, sure it's called Jedi Knight, but it's also a part of the dark forces series, which started out using only guns. People say that jedi never use guns. look a kyle katarn he's always sticking that bryar pistol in everyone's face, especially in the cutscenes of jk1.
yea, there not much teamwork in jk2. i noticed that in ctf everyone goes off to get the flag and leaves the base defenceless. sigh..
and are you sure baout the shields spawn thing, cause i think the server can set it to spawn as fast or slow as he pleases.
and how did this thread go from cheaters to guns/sabers?

[DSbr-HaZe]

its default 20 seconds

[FK|FallenOne]

Haze stfu. All you're doing is talking sh*t now. Quit running your mouth and read what I wrote. You think I suck? Prove it noob. Play me in UT2K3 1v1. Hell if you're on the eastern seaboard of the US I'd even consider letting you host the game. I put the challenges out there and in reply get trash talking instead of challenges. That shows me that either 1) you're scared, 2) you're talking sh*t just to talk or 3) You haven't played UT2K3 and would rather run your mouth than come clean. We're trying to have a discussion and oops, here comes the so-called "elite" with their flames. Listen NOOB, I was in VRX for the first UT. We got to #3 on CAL before I decided to leave them, and I heard they played for the top spot. So quit calling everyone noob, NOOB! You don't know any of us. You never will. So quit assuming just because you're an ok gunner in a spammable weapons game such as JK2, that you're "elite". Go away. Set up a UT2K3 server, and as I said before, we'll see just who is the noob, NOOB!

note: sorry that once again some idiot a-hole has turned yet another Lucasforums thread into a flame war. This was not the purpose of my previous posts but it's obvious that the so-called "elite" are only "elite" at running their mouths!

[Acer Palmatum]

Originally posted by Lightsaberboy
yea. im sick of hearing people say that "guns suck, use a saber, it's star wars you noob"...
Did anyone besides me find this post ironic at all?

:laughing:

[FK|FallenOne]

I noticed that too Acer. "lightsaberboy" defending guns. Odd isn't it.

[Lightsaberboy]

yea, that name isnt my jk2 name though,it's just to show that i like star wars. my jk2 name is three-headed monkey.

[DSbr-HaZe]

lol

a) there isnt enough ammo for jk2 weapons to be spammable

b) 2k3 is 10x more spammy as was UT sorry

[chr0n|cb|@Ze]

lol i read fallenone boasting about how much more active sabers CTF is NOW. Well if you had played the game at all you'd know that about every other FF ctf server was full, and there were hardly any sabers only CTF servers. If two teams played a competitive sabers only match and had members with any intelligence it would be deadlocked at 0-0 for a VERY long time.
I know it's nothing like a real sport, but I'll do my best to compare. If CTF FF all weapons were hockey CTF sabers only would be like taking the players sticks away and asking them to move and shoot the puck by kicking it. It just wouldn't work which is the case with CTF sabers only it just doesn't work. Well I guess it does for 12 year olds running around with a saber pretending to be a master jedi and being concerned with honor and the jedi code or whatever, because if people played smart and got enough at it they would be able to hold the flag forever with the proper teamwork.

[FK|FallenOne]

Now I know you haven't played UT2K3.

1. Sniper gun replaced with Lightning gun, can not spam shots like UT sniper gun, have to wait for reload.

2. Rocket launcher only shoots 3 max rockets now instead of the 5 that were allowed in UT.

3. minigun has loading time now before you can fire unlike in UT where you could automatically begin spamming shots.

4. GES-bio rifle range reduced from UT

5. Plasma cannon primary fire slowed a bit, alt fire tiwsts and twirls and takes more aiming then striaght stream from UT.

6. Impact hammer changed for no longer being able to camp.

7. Shockrifle about the same.

8. teleporter limited in amount of times you can consecutively teleport.

9. Redeemer is the same

Hmmmm...seems to me that UT2K3 is no where near ten times more spammable then UT. Go play the game ya Noob, before you make assanine statements to someone who's played UT2K3 since it came out, as well as UT. Here's 10 bucks, go buy a clue!

[FK|FallenOne]

AS for you Chron...

1. You assume I'm 12 when in fact I'm much older.

2. You assume that I'm about "honor" and "jedi code" and what not. When in fact I give two sh*ts about that. I'm saying I play the game for the reasons it was made, which is not for the guns, but the saber.

3. Funny how with all the clans we've scrimmed in sabers only CTF not once has there been a 0-0 tie for any length of time outside of maybe 5 minutes on Yavin.

4. The point of my posts was to show that just because people play this game for the saber, doesn't make them a noob.

And since you're lame @$$ has decided to chime in and add to the non-sense, I'll make the same challenge to you that I've made to all the so-called "elite" JK2 gunners. Load up UT2K3 and I'll own you. I challenged GEEZus, -vicious, and -matt on the TWL forums to this and they never accepted. I challenged Haze and he spouts off his assanine comments how UT2K3 is more spammable then UT was which is complete nonsense and proves he hasn't played the game. And now I'll challenge you buddy. JK2, whether you like it or not, was NOT designed for the guns. It WAS designed for the saber. It's UNIQUE because of the Saber. The guns were put in to appease the masses for a typical shooter game. So get off your high horses about people who enjoy the game for it's intended purpose, the saber, calling them RPG Noobs, this and that. It's tired and boring. And since none of you have the testicles to accept my UT2K3 challenge, it proves that you're not as "elite" as you claim and are just full of hot air.

[chr0n|cb|@Ze]

1. Your a Newbie

2. I don't waste time humbling newbies at 1 vs 1 in UT2k3 I've had #s of idiots like yourself challenge me and yes I will admit I'm not that great at 1 vs 1 I don't even play. I play CTF and BR on Offense and am usually running flags or the ball and figuring out ways to score USING SMARTS yes intelligence is useful in team games! DM/1vs1 is full of extremely small spammable maps in UT2k3 in the end it's whoever dodges the quickest and spams the most, no smarts involved at all.

3. You haven't played UT if you think it's more spammy than UT2k3.

[FatalStrike]

1- Don't call people Newbies and then decline their challenge in a real FPS. It makes you look weak.

2- Don't make excuses as to why you suck at UT2K3

3- UT was FAR MORE spammable then UT2k3.

4- Stop flaming everyone who enjoys using the saber, if you like guns that's great, if you like sabers thats cool too.

5- if you live around Washington DC get me a freakin coffee, I'm in dire need of caffine!

[FK|FallenOne]

Yeah ok, I never played UT. With the sniper rifle that maxed ammo was 50 bullets and you could just hold down the attack button and it'd keep firing uninterupted. Or the rocket launcher where you could continuously load 5 rockets at a time to launch them. Or the minigun, that you just touch attack and it fires uninterupted. Or the translocator that you could fly across the board without interuption as well. Yeah I never played it GEEZus. STFU noob. You're so full of crap it's pathetic. We're tired of you so-called "elite" running your mouths. Go away. You have no clue wtf you're talking about. UT2K3 was designed to limit the spammability of the previous weapons moron. Play the two again. I've made valid points that show the differences in the weapons between the two games, you've shown nothing but the crap spewing out of your pie-hole.

[FatalStrike]

Originally posted by FK|FallenOne


3. Funny how with all the clans we've scrimmed in sabers only CTF not once has there been a 0-0 tie for any length of time outside of maybe 5 minutes on Yavin.



Saber only CTF eh? I don't know what version you are playing but if your team wishes to try its luck at some 1.02 saber only CTF, my clan will be more then happy to schedule a match.

We are VERY good at saber only CTF and would love a new challenge.

[FK|FallenOne]

FatalStrike, alas as the patches have come so have we updated our styles. 1.02 was hella fun saber only ctf. But as we've been playing 1.04 since it's release steadilly, it would probably be awhile before we could scrim. If you have patch commander, and can play 1.04 at all (I just reinstalled, will get patch commander and check out your server if you post it) come check us out on our server.
66.150.29.215:27982 It's located in Atlanta through Gaminghost.com.
We have some unique settings that force people to play more team oriented. We took out all health and shields forcing people to use Team Heal and Team Energize more. Check us out. And if you'll post yours I'll come and check you guys out. Damn it's been a long while since I've played 1.02. Oh and thanks for agreeing with me, finally someone aside of this little "elite" clique with the knowledge of other FPS's speaks up supporting what I've said.

[FatalStrike]

I'll see if I can grab some of my clan mates and get up to check you guys out. Our server is up only at certain times and I don't even know the IP address. But you are welcome to hit our website. www.clansm.tk

[chr0n|cb|@Ze]

Originally posted by FK|FallenOne
Yeah ok, I never played UT. With the sniper rifle that maxed ammo was 50 bullets and you could just hold down the attack button and it'd keep firing uninterupted. Or the rocket launcher where you could continuously load 5 rockets at a time to launch them. Or the minigun, that you just touch attack and it fires uninterupted. Or the translocator that you could fly across the board without interuption as well. Yeah I never played it GEEZus. STFU noob. You're so full of crap it's pathetic. We're tired of you so-called "elite" running your mouths. Go away. You have no clue wtf you're talking about. UT2K3 was designed to limit the spammability of the previous weapons moron. Play the two again. I've made valid points that show the differences in the weapons between the two games, you've shown nothing but the crap spewing out of your pie-hole.
Most original UT players that tried UT2k3 would laugh at your post. The majority know epic didn't get UT2k3 completely right. Yeah it's a good new game, but the deathmatch style of play just isn't right. I tried it out in the demo and haven't played since. Oh and you **** talkers that automatically assume I suck because I don't play 1vs1 or DM consistently should play me in a BR or CTF match we'll determine what you say after that. Basically your telling me to play a mode I don't even play so how about I do the same how about you play me 1 vs 1 FF or NF guns jk2? Makes no sense for a dueler or whatever you are to play that mode eh.

[DSbr-HaZe]

fallenone what lans have u attended/won?? being in a clan means nothing

the fact that 2k3 may be less spammy than UT doesnt change the fact that its spammy

and it can be argued that any game is spammy

if u know how to play tho its obviously not

hence why most of the good gunners in jk2 it isnt spam at all

and most good 2k3 players arent spamming

UT and UT2k3 just makes the spam easier

and no jk2 doesnt at all since after 5 shots NO AMMO because of whining babies like urself

the lightsaber was put in this game to appeal to the masses not guns moron

[DSbr-HaZe]

i challenge u to yahoo goldfish fallenone

i am from the infamous CAT STRIKER FISH CLAN

we were #1 FISH goldfish ladder for like 4 years undefeated

[chr0n|cb|@Ze]

UT maps were much bigger and suitable for the weapon types while UT2k3 maps are a bit too small for the weapon power I'm not the only one complaining about narrow hallways. Yes you could charge up 6 (oh btw you just said 5 which further proves you didn't even play ut much dumb ass) rockets in UT, but it took forever to charge the rockets up and you can charge up 3 in ut2k3 pretty quickily and they still do mass damage.
ALSO weapon balance in UT2k3 is pathetic for DM play from what I heard the rl accounted for over 50% of kills on stats servers and that says enough right there. Again don't get me wrong UT2k3 is a lot of fun BR and CTF modes are great, but DM stinks.

[FatalStrike]

The weapon balance is fine, what you are hearing is complaints from the former "l33ts" that are upset that they no longer score a perfect 100 kills in DM. Go to the UT2k3 forums and you will see that most of the community is furious at this highly vocal minority.

The weapons are much more balanced then before and may seem spamable to some because they don't kill as quickly as the weapons in UT. Thus you must fire more often and this may seem like spam to some.

BTW wouldn't a bombing run be cool in JKII.

[DSbr-orion]

uh , who cares?

ut2k3 talk on a JKO forum. cool. =\

[DSbr-HaZe]

not to mention the HORRIBLE netcode in 2k3


and ive heard the same complaints from people who have never played UT

its a known fact the game is simply a flare for their engine

look at how pissy Epic is being about tournaments over 5k and restricting every little graphical detail

they want people to see their pretty little engine so they can make money

[lllKyNeSlll]

orion i saw u on zone the other day but no bsb wanted to play u

[lllKyNeSlll]

fallen one stfu .
we weren't even talkin bout jkii nf sabz with hexen.
ur such a newb to even be talkin. nf sabz sepearate with ff guns. only phoenix mixes around. darksaber pwns u so u don't even have a right to be talking with us

[lllKyNeSlll]

and ut2k3 is newby compared to ut where there were real elites. just like jk and jo. jo is too slow to have an extreme difference in frags between the average and elite, unless its 1v1. so ut2k3 players are mostly newbs. the few elites that transfered from ut stopped playin because of the no instagib dm

[acdcfanbill]

perhaps we could keep the discussion a bit more civil :D and on JK2 topics, there is always Yodas Swamp if you wanna discuss UT2k3... :p

oh, and KyNeS, please dont triple post, use an edit button if you forget something, or use quote tags if you wanna reply to specific parts or different messages ;)

[AOL User]

hi iam forum troll

[FK|FallenOne]

Damn, some of you have the comprehension level of 4th graders. Read and comprehend morons.

1. No where did I say I was no force. NO WHERE. I'm a FULL FORCE player you stupid idiot! I'm not a SABERIST CODE guy. I KICK WHORE, FORCE WHORE, but I do it with saber only because that is MY favorite mode for this game. IMO the guns in this game suck. And I got the game for the lightsaber play. My point was that the lightsaber is what the F*cking game was made for, NOT the guns. Whether you like it or not, it was created for the Lightsaber game play. NOWHERE do I say I'm into RPGing, NOWHERE do I say that I'm into NF duels. REREAD and COMPREHEND. Because every point made has obviously blown through your brain without the slightest bit of understanding.

2. I haven't played UT in over a year, so yes I'd forget that one little freaking rocket. You blow it out like it's a big freaking deal, one rocket. My points comparing the guns between the two versions obviously shows more knowledge of the game than any of you have shown. So stfu, you're just arguing to argue, and you're failing miserably at that.

3. Kynes, how old are you? 12? 13? Like I said before, you're just running your mouth to do so. You're not reading any of the posts or taking any of the information in those posts in. So stfu. Never did I say word one about NF, so piss off child. You make no sense in anything you say. You all talk about "elites", roflmfao. Stfu child.

4. The point of this is you "elites" are so quick to call people who play saber only noob. Yet chron is quick to point out that he's not good at 1v1 DM, but still call people who would kick his ass at sabers noobs, just because they don't play guns. Do you see the idiocy in this GEEZus, er I mean CHRON!?!? Yeah, ok, you're all just a bunch of trolls who run their mouths for no damn reason at all. Go away, the JK2 community will be much happier when you so-called "elites" move on to other FPS's. Flaming people for not playing guns is just retarded and that's all ANY of you do.

Oh and Chron (GEEZus), nice edit of your post in that now locked thread, in a miserable attempt to change the fact that the TWL post and the one in that thread proved you're GEEZus. Everyone saw that you edited it.

[griff38]

(FallenOne)
What I am trying to say is you need to let go of your anger, dude.

Then you can be RiseAgain instead of FallenOne.

[chr0n|cb|@Ze]

Originally posted by acdcfanbill
perhaps we could keep the discussion a bit more civil :D and on JK2 topics, there is always Yodas Swamp if you wanna discuss UT2k3... :p

oh, and KyNeS, please dont triple post, use an edit button if you forget something, or use quote tags if you wanna reply to specific parts or different messages ;)
Originally posted by FK|FallenOne

2. I haven't played UT in over a year, so yes I'd forget that one little freaking rocket. You blow it out like it's a big freaking deal, one rocket. My points comparing the guns between the two versions obviously shows more knowledge of the game than any of you have shown. So stfu, you're just arguing to argue, and you're failing miserably at that.

http://www.attrition.org/gallery/computing/forum/ban_him.jpg

Just to retort (I apologize for doing so Bill)
I would probably kick your ass in 1 vs 1, but some dumb ass angry 12 year old challenges me nearly every time I pub, because I'm an ass hole, so what makes you think I'm going to treat you any different? I'm not going to spend my time playing 1 vs 1 against you kids everyday sorry. Oh and it's kind of funny how your so upset with me your accusing of being GEEZus just so I get banned. You REALLY take this **** WAY too seriously...
which I guess is expected of a saber rpger.

[FK|FallenOne]

There you go again. ROFLMFAO. No, I don't give a crap if you're banned or not. What I do care about is you coming on here and constantly bashing people who bought and enjoy the game for it's intended purpose. You're doing it just to get your jollies off for no damn reason at all. So just leave everyone alone. Don't stick your nose into conversations that have no bearing on you or what you do. Especially when you're just doing it to be a little prick. Calling people NOOB for liking the saber play is just ridiculous. Especially if you take offense when someone calls you a noob for not playing the game mode they like. It's assanine.

[DSbr-orion]

Fallenone...

www.kleenex.com

[FatalStrike]

OK OK now more whining

Saber only is cool
Weapons are cool
UT is cool
UT2k3 is cool

there we go, all better.

[lllKyNeSlll]

Originally posted by FatalStrike
OK OK now more whining

Saber only is cool
Weapons are cool
UT is cool
UT2k3 is cool

there we go, all better.

YA PRETTY MUCH.

BUT UR THE FAG FALLEN ONE SINCE U DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT NF SABZ IS THE TRUE SABZ ELITE.
NF DUELZ HAS ELITES.
ITS TRUELY FF SABZ WHERE IT IS THE EASIEST TO WIN

[lllKyNeSlll]

Originally posted by FK|FallenOne
Damn, some of you have the comprehension level of 4th graders. Read and comprehend morons.

1. No where did I say I was no force. NO WHERE. I'm a FULL FORCE player you stupid idiot! I'm not a SABERIST CODE guy. I KICK WHORE, FORCE WHORE, but I do it with saber only because that is MY favorite mode for this game. IMO the guns in this game suck. And I got the game for the lightsaber play. My point was that the lightsaber is what the F*cking game was made for, NOT the guns. Whether you like it or not, it was created for the Lightsaber game play. NOWHERE do I say I'm into RPGing, NOWHERE do I say that I'm into NF duels. REREAD and COMPREHEND. Because every point made has obviously blown through your brain without the slightest bit of understanding.

2

SHHHHH NEWB

[Sith Maximus]

Well I am away from here for a little while but the debates remain the same. Is scripting cheating, are guns better than sabers, I can OWN you....etc.

First off let me say this as an old guy...it's just a game. It is not real and it is not personal. If it were personal I am sure most of you would advoid the confilcts your mouths so often spurt.

Play the game and ENJOY it. If you do not enjoy it, get upset over it, or make typed complaints about being killed then maybe you need to take a break or buy a new game.

Are scripts cheats....to that I am not sure. In my book they are not and let me tell you why.

I run a server and use scripts to make things like changing maps, kicking players, changing forcepowers and other adjustments. These are scripted rutines but not scripts used to attack someone.

But lets look at the dynamic of an attack script and our example will be the blue lunge. To do this move you need to first crouch then hit forward and attack. Not a hard thing to do. Now you script the same move. So what. Now you can do it 90% of the time. Does it matter....not really. Will it help you win or get a few more kills, yes IF you have the stradegy to go with it. If your very bad at games then you will be a bad player with a lunge script.

Now lets look at this another way. You say that scripts are cheating and that writing anything to manipulate the game code should be stopped. Ok fine they stop it and your all nice and happy because no one is scripting anymore.

Well your wrong. Now you have to get Raven to take all joystick and game controller options and commands out of the game. Why? Because every controller that I have come across that has software with it can do macro commands. What is a macro command? A command made by the program sending signals to the computer that the keys for lunge have been pressed in the right order and in the right amount of time to execute the move and it has nothing to do with the game engine or the server settings. Now the said person has the lunge script back. Have you won anything? Have you gained anything? The answer is no your right back tosquare one with the only difference being guys like me now have to type like mad to kick some idiot who is a chat killer.

We all must play in the ways that we need to to be able to have a good time. Some, really most, people do not care about your rules or the rules that you think they should abide by. I will not chat kill a person because I think that it is lame. Do I make a fuss over someone who does on a server that is not my own? NO. Why? Because it is their code and that is the way that they wish to play and I do not have the right to tell them not to do it and neither do you.

UNLESS you are the one in charge of the server.

These are where the real rules like no scripts or no chat kills are enforced. If no one is watching then anything is legal. I do not leave my server up unattended. Why? Because I do not want anyone to see a rule at the motd like mine..NO SABER=NO ATTACK IN ANY WAY AND NO CHAT KILLS OR YOU WILL BE BANNED!...and then come in and get a dfa as they try to type out GF to someone.

Everyone needs to accept that whatever game you play, soccer, football, hockey, Quake 3, Jedi Knight, there will be those who do things in a manner that makes you upset. Its the way life is...just deal with it and stop trying to make something happen.

The complaining got us the 1.03 version of the game and now the 1.04.I have to run my server with 2x damage just to make the game fun anymore. So lets all just play the game and accept that people will do things their own way and will NEVER live up to your code of conduct or your ingame moral values. If you cannot do this then just go play a single player game where you do not have to interact with others. We do not like everyone we meet in real life so you will not like all those you play games with online. But without eachother we do not have a community and therefor not a game to play.

No you can all spam me as you wish, its you right but its my right not to care what you say (unless you agree with me :D ...LOL!)

Have fun...play the way you want, but do not berate those that act in a manner that YOU see as unfit.

[FatalStrike]

Originally posted by lllKyNeSlll


YA PRETTY MUCH.

BUT UR THE FAG FALLEN ONE SINCE U DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT NF SABZ IS THE TRUE SABZ ELITE.
NF DUELZ HAS ELITES.
ITS TRUELY FF SABZ WHERE IT IS THE EASIEST TO WIN

Please don't go into the whole "l33t" are here but not there garbage.

The most annoying players in the history of gaming are the "elites"

FF is just as hard as NF if you play a equally skilled player.

[AOL User]

I'm a l337 jedi master who ownz all of j00. My saber skills r'da best. This game rox0rs. And I listen too N'sync while I duel. Gunz are for sucky jedi wannabee's who can't cut the true jedi master yoda crap. I had a wet dream last night: I was making out with Luke Skywalker.

[Luc Solar]

Originally posted by AOL User
I'm a l337 jedi master who ownz all of j00. My saber skills r'da best. This game rox0rs. And I listen too N'sync while I duel. Gunz are for sucky jedi wannabee's who can't cut the true jedi master yoda crap. I had a wet dream last night: I was making out with Luke Skywalker.

That pretty much sums it up. :rolleyes:

Could someone please delete the last few pages of this thread?

[AOL User]

Scripted moves will never go away unless they are truly gay ones(meaning they will get patched out if Raven cares.). I believe that someone even indicated that game peripherals can even function like scripted moves i.e. having one button go through a series of commands (binds.) Scripted moves are more or less just a waste of binds. Unless you play only saber and want to do the super saber 1337 jedi awesomeness like having having one bind change its function to stance a specific move, each time that you do change your stance.

If I have not been thorough in my 50 word thesisless essay I would appreciate some constructive criticism in how much of a dumbass I am. And am willing to kill myself for your pleasure. I do hope that this exchange of ideas have brought us closer together. In that you may give me a chance to touch your penis in the future.

[DSbr-HaZe]

fallenone by ur logic we are also playing the game as it was intended to be played

[StormHammer]

It's a shame when a thread turns into a flame war. :(

And most of you should know better, if you've read the forum rules. This thread's now closed.

AOL User...thanks for letting me know you're a troll...you're now banned. :cool:

lllKyNeSlll...keep posting in that vein, and you also will be banned. We con't appreciate members insulting other members on these forums. :tsk: