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Com Raven
08-01-2002, 06:40 AM
So, whenever you come up with suggestions for the page, post them here!

All reasonanble criticism and praise is welcome ;)

jingato
08-01-2002, 11:08 AM
You should put something in the download section, like a reeally cool screen saver or something.

:) :monkey4:

Darth Gurdash
08-01-2002, 11:40 AM
i would really like a chat room.:) :D

Old_Ben
08-02-2002, 11:44 AM
What about a place for role playing? Since it's an RPG it might be something nice to do while waiting for the game.

Com Raven
08-04-2002, 06:21 AM
yeah, a rpg board like they have on Galaxies would be cool..

Longjocks
08-06-2002, 02:54 AM
Actually, that's a good idea. I hoped to start setting up a Werewolf: The Apocalypse RPG in our forum within the next couple of months. Maybe a Star Wars one here would be cool. I'd be in it for sure!

Com Raven
08-06-2002, 07:17 AM
cool to see you LJ...

Longjocks
08-06-2002, 11:20 PM
Hehe... I'm everywhere. I'm sort of like a god in that way.:D

Com Raven
08-07-2002, 07:02 AM
aren't we all ;)

stormtroop
08-09-2002, 09:23 AM
ive got a chat room on my forum and also i heard you were looking for some staff i could

Longjocks
08-11-2002, 10:57 PM
You forgot to finish your sentence, dude.:D

remark 666
08-12-2002, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by Longjocks
You forgot to finish your sentence, dude.:D

so true...

remark 666
08-12-2002, 03:41 AM
maybe a chat....or more screens :D

Com Raven
08-12-2002, 04:10 AM
well, as soon as the formalities with the new staff member are done, we will make some updates...

already got a new whole section lying on my pc and waiting to ne posted...

remark 666
08-12-2002, 04:18 AM
ne posted.... ^_^

that's cool, a hint maybe of what type it is ? >_<

Longjocks
08-13-2002, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Com Raven
already got a new whole section lying on my pc and waiting to ne posted...
I'm working on Galaxies stuff atm. I may interrupt it and do more KotOR if we get a major update from LucasArts or BioWare.

Com Raven
08-13-2002, 04:21 AM
well. look at the info already up and ask yourself what seems to be missing at the moment...

Ewok Hunter
08-14-2002, 12:19 AM
does it start and end with a certain letter at the end of the alphabet...

Ewok Hunter
08-17-2002, 01:57 AM
a feed back section would be nice so we could tell you things like that on the minigames page you misspelled feel :D

Com Raven
08-17-2002, 02:54 AM
I know of that one, and it'll be corrected when the other stuff finally gets done...

and I don't have a clue what you mean Ewok...:confused:

Com Raven
08-18-2002, 05:51 AM
that I know of, but I didn'tunderstand your guess at the newsection...

jedi qin-jon
08-19-2002, 07:51 PM
i tink its a great idai:snip2: :fire3: :chainsaw: :slsaber:

Ewok Hunter
08-19-2002, 09:34 PM
what? 4 violent smiles don't mean anything in paticular

Com Raven
08-20-2002, 05:28 AM
yeah, they all have this evil smile...

remark 666
08-21-2002, 05:38 PM
the last one looks like an over happy alien :D

Com Raven
08-21-2002, 06:18 PM
it does ?

matt--
08-23-2002, 04:00 PM
I really don't think a chat would be too useful until release time is closer. What good is a chat if there's only one person in it at a time?

RP forum, that might be something worth looking into. :)

Com Raven
08-24-2002, 05:45 AM
that lonely person can throw out insults without isulting anyone ? ;)

Ewok Hunter
08-25-2002, 01:25 AM
how a bout a feedback section for no reason other than to vent :D

Com Raven
08-25-2002, 06:54 AM
my small ego can't stand criticism....

Com Raven
08-25-2002, 06:56 AM
Any feedback about the page, the boards, church [no, wait!] may be posted here!

DARTH ANDYZ
08-26-2002, 06:26 AM
I think you should have a section for fan art and possibly fan fic.

Com Raven
08-26-2002, 03:22 PM
I'd also love that...

so: if we get any art or stories from you, we'll showcase them...

DARTH ANDYZ
08-27-2002, 04:39 AM
kool i'll send some of my kotor pics in soon

Com Raven
08-27-2002, 07:14 AM
sure, can't wait to see and hear from you and every other creative mind around here...

covenant_bad
08-28-2002, 03:04 PM
its all good...... but i cant help feeling a soft spot for sites with sw cantina music. *sigh*

keep up the gd work

TheLiberator34
09-12-2002, 04:16 PM
how about some fan fictions? I'd be game for something like that.

Com Raven
09-12-2002, 04:22 PM
if it anyhow corresponds to the game, I sure won't send it back :)

stormtroop
09-20-2002, 03:23 AM
its good im advertising and twelling a lot of people to visit the forum by the way vist mine which has a swars ki=nights section headed by com raven http://swforums.aimoo.com

carter6969
09-22-2002, 09:05 PM
good site but get a dam chat room:jawa

covenant_bad
09-28-2002, 08:51 AM
Sounds like these great suggestions are really going to add to the site.:)

Hannibal
09-30-2002, 03:42 PM
Member bobble-head doll night.

Com Raven
09-30-2002, 04:28 PM
we're working on quite a few exiting things, but we can't care for fan art :)

that's your job...

Hannibal
10-31-2002, 03:15 PM
So no bobble-heads?

How about an Eets rookie card?

Eets
10-31-2002, 04:20 PM
/me smacks Hannibal upside the head


Who would think of such a stupid idea like that besides you?








I want bubble gum in my pack! ^_^

Hannibal
10-31-2002, 04:24 PM
Hey! I was gonna get you to sign it!;)

Com Raven
11-01-2002, 11:27 AM
yeah, you need to come up with lots of cool stuff for the "shop" :)

Com Raven
11-08-2002, 10:08 AM
Well, it's about damn time I update the FAQ, but we need you for that:

Tell us what questions you really wanted to get answered first about the game!

Oh, and despite some rumours, we don't know more than you- maybe just a bit :)

Hannibal
11-08-2002, 01:33 PM
Since the updates I've been really excited about the option to turn to the dark side. One preview mentioned that you character's appearance and tone of conversation will change over the course of the game when you follow the dark route.

I'd like to know more about that. Do you start breathing heavy? Walking hunched over? Laughing maniaclly after every sentence?


Someone ask about it in the chat tonight cause I don't think I'll be making it.

Taos
11-20-2002, 02:15 AM
After looking through the FAQ.......I think that one other question that some people might have is: whether or not this game is based from EU or not.

Now I don't know if you would want to include this in the STORY section or what......it's just the first thing that really popped into my head.

:)

Taos
12-02-2002, 01:53 AM
I have always thought the page was good......easy to use/find your way around.

I like it more now that there is a little bit more color to it..........I just think that the background is a little dark. I don't mean to suggest the use of neon colors or something stupid like that.

Rather......is there a way to have like screenshots in the bg of your updates without them getting in the way. When I say screen shots...I mean like shots of planets, not the action ones. Just a way to show off the game a little bit more.


Just some thoughts in my head.......:)

Com Raven
12-02-2002, 05:02 PM
that's Eets specialty, ask him...

Thrift
12-03-2002, 10:51 PM
I'm kind of curious about your name in the game.
By that I mean will the player have a name given to them from the start, or will you choose your own and just be called "Jedi" or "Soldier" or something by all the other characters throughout the course of the game.

Oh yeah, and will players be visibly carrying large objects/weapons when not in use, or will they all just shrink-fit into your pockets. I'm guessing the latter, but still curious.

Ahh and lastly, I'm still curious about a point which (I think) Hannibal raised, involving the interaction of characters or neighbouring parties with battles in their areas. Ie. Will they run for cover or go about their daily business when a battle erupts in front of them.

__________________________________________________

I realise this isn't what you really (I don't think) meant for this thread Com, and these aren't really questions for an FAQ, but I figure compiling a list of our questions may not be a bad idea...And I couldn't be bothered starting a new thread.
:)

Eets
12-05-2002, 12:55 AM
It's possible, but I really doubt that it would happen for various reasons:

1. There would be transparency issues with the background of the news header table.

2. It might take away from the overall design of the site.

3. Other reasons that I'm too tired to think of right now. :D

Com Raven
12-05-2002, 07:57 AM
Eets is highly paid for such professional answers :)

Taos
12-05-2002, 02:07 PM
Lol @ Com.....ok thanks for answering Eets. I just had some thoughts going through my head. (scary huh? :xp: ).

:)

Ki-Adi-Mundi
12-31-2002, 06:24 AM
Am I incorrect in assuming that this game will be very much like Neverwinter Nights since it's based on the same engine and being developed by the same company for the same genre? Though we don't know if kotor will have mp, certainly it will be editable, and if the company doesn't release tools, modified nwn editors would work, right?

Would nwn faq questions work? That might be a good source of relevant questions if we put a Star Wars twist on 'em. *shrug*

Com Raven
12-31-2002, 07:44 AM
well, this game has a real party, which NWN didn't have...

also, NWN tools won't work...

Ki-Adi-Mundi
01-01-2003, 02:23 PM
I don't think this one is already in the FAQ, so...

Will there be divergent story lines similar to Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight where we could change the path of the story with good and/or evil actions leading to a Dark or Light Jedi ending?

Hrmph. I rather liked being a Wampa. Now I'm a Jawa! I think I'll change it back if I ever get 1000 posts or the amt of points needed to change it. :jawa

Lord Glorfindel
01-11-2003, 07:03 PM
In SWKnights.com will there be a place in the near future where you can put up Fan art or wallpapers?

Com Raven
01-11-2003, 08:37 PM
well, we want to do that for quite some time already....

so if you have something, send it to me, and it will be posted with all due respect and credit!

Lord Glorfindel
01-12-2003, 11:29 AM
Quoth the Com Raven
well, we want to do that for quite some time already....

so if you have something, send it to me, and it will be posted with all due respect and credit!

Thanks, I'll probably send a piece or two of art soon. Thanks again

Com Raven
01-15-2003, 05:55 PM
hey, we'd have to thank :)

FuzzyCrimmy
01-16-2003, 05:40 PM
Hey,

Just came about this game, looks really cool, one question will the PC version be online? MMPORG?

I assume it isnt an MMPORG, wouldnt make much sense releasing one of those right as SWG is coming out.

FuzzyCrimmy

Com Raven
01-16-2003, 05:58 PM
Welcome to the boards!

We're not sure if there will be co-op mp, but it is no mmorpg for sure :)

FuzzyCrimmy
01-16-2003, 06:08 PM
So as of right now your not sure whether the pc version will be Multiplayer? I hope it is :D

Com Raven
01-16-2003, 06:22 PM
I wouldn't get my hopes up, but nothing is announced so far...

Pad
01-17-2003, 01:57 PM
in an interview with bioware they told no multiplayer would be inserted.

Swat
01-25-2003, 01:36 AM
yup, like final fantasy kind of thing. 1 journey n complete the game

Carth Onassi
01-26-2003, 12:12 PM
I think if multiplayer isnt in the game when it is released, it could still be implemented like it has been on many other pc games.

Even on the Xbox it could be implemented if they leave some "hooks" in the game so that it could recognize the new mp element.

I also have a question as to whether they are going to have new content that will be able to be downloaded from an xbox disc or from xbox live.

Com Raven
01-26-2003, 05:07 PM
The public is not to know yet....

Ulic Qel-Droma
01-31-2003, 07:22 AM
nice to see a familiar face there com_raven (though i have never seen your face)

i have been talking to you at the forums.bioware.com site for kotor.

as you may see in my signature i am know as ki adi mundi there.

didn't take that name here since someone else already have.

well anyway nice to see a familiar face at this forum..... i think i saw longjocks to. mabye aliasalpha is here to.

anyway this post has nothing to do with the topic but i saw your name here and yust wanted to greet you.

ps, how do you get diffrent colors to your name. i thougth it was something to do with the post count but someone had under 200 posts and had a colored name same as someone with over 1500 posts.

is this something i can do?

Com Raven
02-02-2003, 01:12 PM
Hey, hi there :)

You can "buy" the different colors with the points you get for posting...

Swat
02-02-2003, 10:13 PM
300 4 1

Ulic Qel-Droma
02-03-2003, 06:14 AM
how do you "buy" points?

and how many points do i need for eitehr red or green colour?

Swat
02-03-2003, 08:40 AM
each post u post, u get 2 points. as 4 the colours, all of them cost the same. u get 2 choose it when u are buying 1

Ulic Qel-Droma
02-03-2003, 09:08 AM
but were is it that i "buy" these colours?

is it that i need more posts to unlock the feature?

Hannibal
02-03-2003, 10:40 AM
Here's the link, Ulic.
Here. (http://www.lucasforums.com/store.php?s=&action=main)
Or you can just go on the main Lucasforums page and click the store link that is at the top left.

Ulic Qel-Droma
02-04-2003, 02:35 AM
thanks for all your help guys, i need 272 more points so ill be around for sometime hehehehe

thanks again :)

Ulic Qel-Droma
02-04-2003, 02:57 AM
i have noticed something on your site, all comercial and pop ups are in norwegian.

are you sponsored by some norwegian companies?

a littel of topic but i yust had to know. im curious hehehe

Swat
02-04-2003, 02:59 AM
hey pal, ppl here dun like double posts, which i dunno y

Ulic Qel-Droma
02-04-2003, 03:37 AM
arg sorry about that i will try not to do that again, but i think i double clicked the send button by acident.

Swat
02-04-2003, 04:05 AM
erm.. it can't be true if u double click. the messages would be the same

Ulic Qel-Droma
02-04-2003, 04:45 AM
ohh you mean that kinda double post, sorry i didn't think that was so big a deal, ill make a great effort not doing it again.

im truly sorry.

Hannibal
02-04-2003, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by Ulic Qel-Droma
i have noticed something on your site, all comercial and pop ups are in norwegian.

are you sponsored by some norwegian companies?

a littel of topic but i yust had to know. im curious hehehe

The pop-ups are different for everyone.

Actually I don't really know because I close them before they load. :D But the ones that I have seen were all in English.

Ulic Qel-Droma
02-05-2003, 03:48 AM
ahh i see, thanks for clearing that up for me.

joesdomain
04-03-2003, 12:48 AM
I wish they would come out with a playstation 2 version. So far playstation has only one good star wars game-Bounty hunter. Starfighter and Jedi Starfighter stunk. Racer Revenge was bad. Super Bombard Racing was just plain childish and stupid. Clone Wars was ok.

Hannibal
04-03-2003, 11:36 AM
Most multi-platform games are horrible.
I was so happy when they said this was just Xbox and PC.
It sucks when they have to blunt the graphics to put it on PS2. Or when they don't improve them enough when they move it from PS2 to XBox.

Com Raven
04-03-2003, 12:53 PM
I loved Starfighter, Jedi Starfighter, and Racer Revenge...

Bombad Reason, I never tried...

Also, you must be a smart guys indeed: Bombad Racing was no LucasArts, but a LucasLearning game...

No wonder it was for kids, eh ?

SidSidSid
04-11-2003, 02:26 PM
i could always make a mIRC channel called #swkotor?

Taos
04-11-2003, 02:35 PM
There already is one...it's called #starwarsknights. :)

Go there! :)

Jed
04-11-2003, 04:39 PM
It's located on Gamesnet. Just use either "Random west" or east and you'll be all set. ;)

Dalti Evful
04-20-2003, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Hannibal
Most multi-platform games are horrible.
I was so happy when they said this was just Xbox and PC.
It sucks when they have to blunt the graphics to put it on PS2. Or when they don't improve them enough when they move it from PS2 to XBox.

I couldnt agree more!


:fett: "Put captain Solo in the cargo hold"

KaBuTaR
04-21-2003, 10:55 PM
are ps2 grafix really that bad?

Jedi Apprentice
04-22-2003, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by KaBuTaR
are ps2 grafix really that bad?

Compared to XBox graphics......yes.

None of the consoles stand up to the XBox graphics in sheer power.

Hannibal
04-22-2003, 12:57 PM
I agree with Jedi Apprentice.

We aren't saying PS2 is horrible. It's a great system. It has more games than XBox does and the graphics are great.

But XBox surpasses the PS2 in graphics. Plus it has my favorite feature the Hard Drive for storing countless games. I no longer have to delete old saved games from a memory card or buy a new one. :)

Dalti Evful
04-23-2003, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by Hannibal
I agree with Jedi Apprentice.

We aren't saying PS2 is horrible. It's a great system. It has more games than XBox does and the graphics are great.

But XBox surpasses the PS2 in graphics. Plus it has my favorite feature the Hard Drive for storing countless games. I no longer have to delete old saved games from a memory card or buy a new one. :)

Yes the Hard Drive is truely gods gift to console gaming. Death to the over priced memory cards!


:fett: "Put Captain solo in the cargo hold"

Com Raven
04-24-2003, 03:53 PM
PS2 graphics are very weak in comparison in most cases, and I may be a Xbox addict, but I got a ps2 as well, so I know what I am talking about...

But anyways, the best reason to have a ps2 is GTA series :)

KaBuTaR
04-24-2003, 04:04 PM
There are SOOOO many games I want to play but can't coz they're on consoles... grrr~!

The only game i REALLY REALLY liked for PS was FF VIII... that was wicked. :D

Hannibal
04-25-2003, 12:01 PM
I liked FF VII better than VIII.

KaBuTaR
04-25-2003, 03:05 PM
I didn't like the gameplay and the story of FF VII... i just found that VIII seemed to be a far more well rounded game with a lot of nice subplots - more full, kinda...

Hannibal
04-25-2003, 03:22 PM
I liked the scene in FF VIII where you are floating in space.
That was cinematic. I really enjoyed that scene.

Burrie
05-08-2003, 10:05 AM
Eep, people were actually praising FF8 for once, and I wasn't around to praise it along with them... bah, humbug to these sticky threads. :mad:

Wesia Daoke
05-18-2003, 01:42 AM
yes that would allow east access to certian dowloadable things.

Taos
05-19-2003, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Weisa Daoke
yes that would allow east access to certian dowloadable things.

You mean like this - http://www.starwarsknights.com/downloads.php?

Where people can download our exclusive wallpapers from the game. :)

FunClown
06-23-2003, 11:53 AM
ComRaven, Eets, Leemu, Hannibal, or anyone else I have failed to mention, are we going to have another naming contest for the non-spoiler forums?

Taos
06-23-2003, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by FunClown
ComRaven, Eets, Leemu, Hannibal, or anyone else I have failed to mention, are we going to have another naming contest for the non-spoiler forums?

Well, right now we are in discussion of exactly what forums we need. Now I don't know if there will be a contest, so close to release and all, I think we might just give them names. Though I don't run the show.....anything's possible. :)

FunClown
06-24-2003, 12:07 AM
Well, right now we are in discussion of exactly what forums we need. Now I don't know if there will be a contest, so close to release and all, I think we might just give them names. Though I don't run the show.....anything's possible.

That's ok. It's you administrators and mods that do all the work, so I would understand completely if you guys named them yourselves. :)

Jedi Apprentice
07-14-2003, 01:43 PM
Now I am just wondering when these new forums/sections will be up.

I think people can already be messed up with spoilers by now.

BTW, has Burrie already left?? :(

Edit: WellI wait 5 minutes and Com answers in a new thread. Everyone go to that thread now! :D

I still want to know about Burrie though. :(

Burrie
07-14-2003, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by Jedi Apprentice
BTW, has Burrie already left?? :(

Still around, although I've pretty much been hiding in the shadows these last couple o' days, mentally preparing myself :p. I'll post a thread over at the Atho Spaceport Cantina tomorrow, unsubscribe me from virtually all the threads(if possible), mayhaps change my signature, and after that... well, my next post/thread would then probably be about my adventure throughout Knights of the Old Republic.

wanting_info
07-25-2003, 04:41 AM
sorry if this has been said (i havent read all the posts, i have too much time on my hands) but i read one of the 1st ones that said something in the downloads section. i would like there to be a trailer download. lol i have made a thread on someone givving it to me via email. but nobody has replied:(
since i dont have a XB and have no $$ for it i will have to wait for the PC version and i cant wait that long without a trailer to watch OVER and OVER and OVER again. anyways enough of my retarded rambling.

trailer please.

Arowe
07-26-2003, 09:34 AM
When will this game make it's way to Europe I've looked all over with no succes. Does anyone know when it's coming over seas?

Com Raven
07-27-2003, 07:54 PM
There are several threads discussing the european date in the Xbox main board...

ProGoatRider
09-19-2003, 12:58 AM
professional goat riding is cool. so is star wars!
:mob::duel::lsduel::grnlaz::lightning

Don't double post, please. :) And goats? :indif: Come on, man. If you're gonna spam, make it worthwhile. - Eets

jedipiranha
09-20-2003, 06:55 AM
Well it's about bloody time it got here. I don't have it yet (I'm broke) but soon yes soon.:lsduel: :meche:

LandoMithrandir
09-20-2003, 10:22 AM
i finally got the money together last night to buy kotor and when i booted up my box i was mighty impressed, maybe a little slow starting, but the feeling of scale on taris is incredible:jawa

Master Luke
09-23-2003, 05:31 PM
Yup its one of the best games i ever played on, its in league with my final fantasy games!! LoL
Anyways it is a bit too short its like ship thing - Taris - Council - Star map - star forge - END!
i wudda thought it was a longer game but there are alot of side quests in it etc...
i gotta question also is there only 2 racing tracks for swoop racing AFTER taris is destroyed?

rick ulo 11103
09-28-2003, 03:14 AM
I BEAT THE GAME TOODAY WOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!









BEFORE::deathstar AFTER::deathii: :lsduel:

rick ulo 11103
09-28-2003, 03:19 AM
hey your all probably pised off at me but anyway... how do you get smilies in your sig

Master Luke
09-28-2003, 10:33 AM
nice one dude did u complete it on the dark side or the light?
and i dunno how to get smilies on sig

rick ulo 11103
09-28-2003, 07:25 PM
light

Astrotoy7
12-06-2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by KaBuTaR
There are SOOOO many games I want to play but can't coz they're on consoles... grrr~!

The only game i REALLY REALLY liked for PS was FF VIII... that was wicked. :D

For me, there was no question about which console to get..... how else could I play my beloved Final Fantasy series, including Final Fantasy X....the signature game of the ps2 upon its release.

With FFXI and FFXII on their way...I have never regretted the purchase of my ps2.... mind you I also have a decent gaming PC, a GBA, and hope to get a Gcube once their prices drop even further....

as you can tell from my avatar, my favorite Final Fantasy is...........

MTFBWYA

Sunslayer
02-14-2004, 09:11 PM
Have the moderators totally forgotten that this site exists? Anyways, I've been trying to contact you guys about hosting ym site, which would be hosting all mods and utilities made by SwKnights modders, so we can have a main download site, rather than emailing stuff all over to get it to eachother. Wake up! :p

Aleggy
10-28-2004, 02:49 PM
ok i now own a pc, xbox and a ps2

i originaly had a pc but i really wanted a console and my 1st choice was ps2 because there were so many games on it i wanted to play so my partner bought me on for valentines day even though she hates consoles and is useless at games now thats love for you

now at one point i had no intention of getting an xbox but then i played halo, but i thought thats just one game i like im not gonna but a console based on one great game then i played kotor on an xbox, i then smile at my partner and on my birthday i get an xbox

both console have there positives and negetives and i'm not even going to bother to try and debate which one is better

yes the xbox has better graphics and sound and the hard drive is a godsend and i do think the ps2 should have one and i hope the ps3 will have one, and yes the ps2 has more games

but when it comes to games i prefer quality to quantity and the majority of games 'rushed' out onto the ps2 aren't all that good so i have a variety of games for a variety of formats and i like them all

Aleggy
10-28-2004, 02:58 PM
um the idea of a chatroom in swknights is a great idea but i think chatrooms would be better because to be honest these forums have a lot of visiters it would be nice if chatrooms just like the threads had specific themes to talk about i.e modding, tsl release date, bastila's bra size:D etc etc so if you could just click on chatrooms and see a list of rooms just like we do with threads and we can see how many ppl are in a room chatting and then click on the room we want to join in the chat

p.s. i also hope that if you do do chatrooms that when ppl do go into the chatrooms it will be full of ppl eager to talk about the topic at hand i.e. kotor rather than flirting wich i found was the biggest problem with a lot of msn chatrooms i have a partner and im not looking for another i just wanna chat with ppl interested in kotor as much as me lol :D

Aleggy
10-28-2004, 02:59 PM
ok i am aware that this post is in danger of spamming but i just want to apologise for the long posts:D