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TheWhiteRaider
11-09-2002, 06:19 PM
Are you infavor of it?(Guess I will start some arguments of my own here.:D )

Elijah
11-09-2002, 06:21 PM
Yes... I wont go into why... unless you truly want me to

TheWhiteRaider
11-09-2002, 06:31 PM
I am in favor of a controled penility. As in other words you have to do alot to get it not just steal from someone and get it. As it is like that is some 3rd world countrys today.

Dark Warrior
11-09-2002, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider
I am in favor of a controled penility. As in other words you have to do alot to get it not just steal from someone and get it. As it is like that is some 3rd world countrys today.

I agree 100% :)

Elijah
11-09-2002, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider
I am in favor of a controled penility. As in other words you have to do alot to get it not just steal from someone and get it. As it is like that is some 3rd world countrys today.

I Agree.

MaulerZ
11-09-2002, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider
I am in favor of a controled penility. As in other words you have to do alot to get it not just steal from someone and get it. As it is like that is some 3rd world countrys today.

I agree I think the Washington DC snipers should get it both of them :disaprove they really piss me off

JediNyt
11-09-2002, 06:43 PM
Why stuff someone away in an overcrowded prison for life for no good reason? Just terminate the bastard and be done. Sorry dont mean to sound too harsh. I would much rather die than get raped for 80 more years in a **** hole.

-s/<itzo-
11-09-2002, 06:50 PM
against it, nobody has the power to put somebody's life in their hands.

nuff said.

Breton
11-09-2002, 08:22 PM
Against, if someone kills anyone, and some other kill that guy, they are just as bad, aren't they? I mean, both kills anyone, ends someones life, murders. It does not matter who you kill, you shall not kill anyway.

Plus, if you do death penalty on a guy, and later finds out that he was innocent (it happens), you can't just dig him up and say sorry.

C'jais
11-09-2002, 08:28 PM
No.

As Qui pointed out, let him always have the benefit of doubt.

Clem
11-09-2002, 08:32 PM
right .... i have to say yes ... only cos prison doesnt work .... it doesnt correct people ... it just moves them out of the world a while

BUT

it brings up the problem of proving guilt

...

there must be a better way

Qui-GONE Jinn
11-09-2002, 10:06 PM
Just puts them out of the world for a while? doesn't work? Man...You are so dreadfully wrong...

Clem
11-09-2002, 10:10 PM
ok gone ur right .... it does work for many people .... but still a MASSIVE chunk reoffend

Prison is an Inefficient method of punishment ... it costs alot for a (i believe) about 70% success rate

but some people .... are just beyond even a hope of prison working

Elijah
11-09-2002, 10:20 PM
I Say the death penility should go to murderers... If they have the mind and will to kill someone than they very well deserve the same.

Clem
11-09-2002, 10:23 PM
2 wrongs do not make a right (3 lefts do)

kill sum1 for killing sum1 else isnt right

there are alot of murders that i dont think deserve the death penalty but some that do

the problem is defining the line and sticking to it

then u have to 200% sure that the person is guilty

Darklighter
11-09-2002, 10:24 PM
Well Dawg, what about people who kill in self defence? Or someone kills purposely, and says it was in self defence? There are no degrees of morality here: you either want the penalty to apply in society, or you do not. I don not.

pantha-too-kay
11-10-2002, 01:02 AM
Deterents never work - look at the nuclear situation. You have to care about people before the deterent thing kicks in.

I'm just looking forward to the days when Mega City One stops being a fictional place...

DiRtY $oUtH™
11-10-2002, 01:34 AM
i disagree...nobody can decide to take any human life...besides, by letting them rot in jail, they suffer more and it is a worse punishment. If you kill them right away, they dont suffer.

TheWhiteRaider
11-10-2002, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by Clem
2 wrongs do not make a right (3 lefts do)

kill sum1 for killing sum1 else isnt right

there are alot of murders that i dont think deserve the death penalty but some that do

the problem is defining the line and sticking to it

then u have to 200% sure that the person is guilty

Ok so if I let a killer go will that be good? Also murders keep killing even behind bars. I know someone who was in jail for a crime he didn't do, but the murders tried killing him.

by letting them rot in jail, they suffer more and it is a worse punishment

If we did that for every killer we all would be paying $4,675,452.23 every year in taxes. I don't know about you, but I don't have that kind of money.

Elijah
11-10-2002, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by Darklighter
Well Dawg, what about people who kill in self defence? Or someone kills purposely, and says it was in self defence?
Well what about it? If it was total self-defence than I don not think they should get it... but if its blatant murder shall we not show them the mercy they showed they’re victim? (Which is none)


a good number of the killers today would go out and do the same thing if you let them free... your basicly telling them that it is OK to kill someone.

Your saving more lifes when doing away with the people who take them.

Rogue15
11-10-2002, 02:25 AM
i'm against it unless the person had several eye witnesses or at least was caught on tape commiting the crime. My future uncle is in prison for hanging with this guy who was wild and crazy, and ended up being framed for rape and murder cause the wild/crazy guy said he'd kill him if he didn't dispose of the body (after wild/crazy guy raped and killed her). The ****ing courts haven't even done the damned dna test yet!!! the guy has been in jail for over 20 years now. you'll probably hear about this in the news by january 2003.

Taos
11-10-2002, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by Clem
ok gone ur right .... it does work for many people .... but still a MASSIVE chunk reoffend

Prison is an Inefficient method of punishment ... it costs alot for a (i believe) about 70% success rate




Clem, just curious here when you say 70% succes rate, what are you refering to exactly? Are you talking about the number of ppl that don't re-offend after their release from prison??

Because if so, that contradicts your previous statement about ppl re-offending........


Just wondering.......;)

ondrahosek
11-10-2002, 04:59 AM
Great. Get blasted for doing nothing but being a suspect. Then the police find out you didn't. And now, bring him back to life, Mr Honored FBI agent... This scenario comes up every 1 out of 10 death penalties.
In the Czech Republic or Austria, there is a law that you have to stay in jail even if you are innocent, and you can get freed after they find out "it wasn't you". I still am not sure about eutanasia (sucide-kinda thingy) which means that if your nerves stop holding you and you want to say bye-bye, if you can. I would say:
Pro-eutanasia, Contra-Death penalty.
This is a stupid quote from Britney Spears:
I am in favour of the death penalty. The people should learn for the next time.
Did you get it? The people CAN'T LEARN FOR THE NEXT TIME WHEN THEY ARE DEAD. And in afterlife, I think your memory gets wiped of the bad things, so HOW CAN YOU LEARN...
This once again shows the IQ of Britney...

Darth Groovy
11-10-2002, 05:06 AM
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*note, if you were not in such a big hurry to post a thread every five minutes you would learn to spell the word "penalty" :mad:

SettingShadow
11-10-2002, 05:19 AM
Im against it, sure sometimes I feel like "those bastards deserve it" but if you kill someone even if that person has killed then your a murderer too. Now that guy may deserve to die but can one man (or a million) decide that someone shall die? I dont think so.

ondrahosek
11-10-2002, 05:22 AM
Welcome to the sad future, Groovy...
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Jah Warrior
11-10-2002, 05:52 AM
well this is a dodgy subject really, there is no doubt that the penal sysytem is flawed - EVERYWHERE.

ok the way i see it, for murder lock them up for good with absolutely no chance of parole or release. yes this is expensive but its the price of a safe society.I would even go so far as to say that rapists should get life in prison, I feel that rape is a crime committed by those with psychological defects and i dont think it is a reformable state of mind. same goes for child abuse and molestation.

also believe me its abigger punishment to lock somenone up for ever rather than kill them.

Qui-GONE Jinn
11-10-2002, 10:10 AM
I am totally against the death penalty. Like someone else said here, it's not our place to decide that another person must die. Let them be imprisoned for life, instead.

by letting them rot in jail, they suffer more and it is a worse punishment


If we did that for every killer we all would be paying $4,675,452.23 every year in taxes. I don't know about you, but I don't have that kind of money.

Funny that countries that don't practice death penalty don't have this problem...?

C'jais
11-10-2002, 10:22 AM
"Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"....

What a pathetic idea.

StormHammer
11-10-2002, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider
If we did that for every killer we all would be paying $4,675,452.23 every year in taxes. I don't know about you, but I don't have that kind of money.

What price for a human life? At what level of expense do you stop caring about a life? $10,000? $50,000? $100,000?

Is it any surprise, then, that some people mug old ladies (and kill them) for the £2 they have in their handbag? They don't value life at all, and I find that extremely sad. :(

However, just because someone else stops caring about human life...should we? Personally, I value life above all other things.

I have to say I'm against the death penalty...largely for the reason already outlined here, in that mistakes have been made in the past, and innocent people have been wrongly executed. You cannot restore a life already taken.

Im my mind, it is very difficult to achieve 100% proof against someone, unless, as stated, they are caught in the act on tape, or something. Usually that doesn't happen, and you are often reliant on witness statements. I think it is dubious at best when someone is convicted on the testimony of a sole eye witness, for example.

Anyway, I do think the penal system needs shaking up. When someone is sentenced to 'life' imprisonment for a crime, then it should mean life. My own feeling is that murderers should be segregated in the prison population from those who have conducted 'lesser' crimes. The 'one shoe fits all' approach is wrong, I think. I you put someone who has embezzled funds in the same cell as someone who is a vicious axe murderer, then that's plain wrong.

The punishment should fit the crime. If you take a life...then you spend your life behind bars. If you steal from people...then you should be forced to work for the community you stole from. I'm a strong believer in reform programs. Some work, some don't..but it's better to try than not try at all.

The other worrying proliferation is in paedophiles, and as far as I'm concerned, these people have a wire loose. If they kill children...then as I said before, lock them away for the rest of their lives. If they 'abuse' children but leave them alive...then put them in a secure institution, and in many cases that should be for life as well...if they are considered a danger to the community. In cases like this, I think there should be at least an annual (or more frequent) review of such people.

FatalStrike
11-10-2002, 05:21 PM
There is too high a risk that innocent people be put to death.

Search for it on google and you will see what I mean.

done

Darth Dooku
11-10-2002, 05:30 PM
I am in favour of the death penalty, but only in extreme cases - i.e. Genocide, more than 10-20 murders etc... AND they are found guilty by two different juries. I think n that's about it:rolleyes:

Vestril
11-10-2002, 07:09 PM
quote:
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I am in favour of the death penalty. The people should learn for the next time.
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Did you get it? The people CAN'T LEARN FOR THE NEXT TIME WHEN THEY ARE DEAD. And in afterlife, I think your memory gets wiped of the bad things, so HOW CAN YOU LEARN...
This once again shows the IQ of Britney...




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I found that really funny.


StormHammer makes a lot of sense. The trouble is that we can't afford to be civilized. In a perfect world we would be able to find the unrepentant criminals and lock them away and force them to do useful labor, and then free the people who where merely screwed by their situation and let them off with a warning and a little caution.

Sadly we are not so accurately perceptive, and we are forced to live with the mistakes. It seems to me that money spent keeping a hardened criminal alive could be spent trying to feed the poor, or revitalize schools or cities. I believe in preventative measures, but these cost money, it seems to me that a focus is required.

The sad part to me is that we most likely could afford to save so many people if the rich weren't so consistently trying to make themselves more rich. I also find it ironic that the criminals who do the most harm, the white collar sort, are the ones who are treated most leinently.

Darth_Rommel
11-10-2002, 09:11 PM
Death is the easy way out...

A life wasted in jail is far worse punishment, don't you agree?

...BTW, haven't seen you around in a long while, Vestril. Welcome back?

Taos
11-10-2002, 09:23 PM
I used to be in favor of the death penalty when I was younger. I'd always say "fry 'em." Now as I get a little older, I don't really think it does what it was inteded to do. Be a deterrent to crime and violent crime at that.

I really don't think the cost is the issue......if you look at the prices (today) that it takes to keep a criminal in jail for "the rest of his life" vs. death penalty.....they are basically the same. Of course there are always exceptions.

I totally agree with Darth Rommel, death is an easy way out for some of these criminals. I think most ppl would be surprised at how many ppl who are killed by the police each year actually wanted to die in the first place. I mean think about it......you don't just raise your gun at 20 police officers after a 30 mile chase and want to live anymore....it is suicide!

Could you just sitting in a jail cell for the rest of your life? That would be horrible! Doing nothing all day, having to look out for sexual predators etc. That is some scary s**t! All you have around you is solid walls........it is a depressing thought.

I think that we should keep these criminals alive and make them think about what they've done, make them suffer in prison as much as their victims have suffered.

Vestril
11-10-2002, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Darth_Rommel
Death is the easy way out...

A life wasted in jail is far worse punishment, don't you agree?

...BTW, haven't seen you around in a long while, Vestril. Welcome back?

Too true, the only trouble is that it's very expensive :(

Chastan
11-10-2002, 09:58 PM
I am for the death penalty, but yeah, I worry about what happens if someone is wrongly convicted?

pantha-too-kay
11-10-2002, 11:00 PM
Well, you can't make an omlette without breaking an egg or two... The real question should be why do people have to be so inherently bad that we need to be discussing the death penalty in the first place.

I think the idea that the punishment should fit the crime is an interesting one...

Vestril
11-10-2002, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by pantha-too-kay
Well, you can't make an omlette without breaking an egg or two... The real question should be why do people have to be so inherently bad that we need to be discussing the death penalty in the first place.

I think the idea that the punishment should fit the crime is an interesting one...

Ummm, the real question isn't 'why do people have to be so inherently bad that we need to be discussing the death penalty in the first place?' That question wastes our time. The question 'why do people's environments shape them in such a way that the death penalty is possibly needed?' is a better one, since we can change people's environments, and not the traits innate to them.

One of the attitudes that has fostered a need for the death penalty is that of 'you can't break an omlette without breaking a few eggs'

People aren't eggs. Decent people don't deserve to be murdered by anyone, most especially the state which they loyally served.

Acrylic
11-10-2002, 11:15 PM
im with the death penalty becuase if someone takes another's innocent live(s) then they should deserve to be killed. And Id be better if they got killed the same way they killed the innocent live(s)