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Clem
11-09-2002, 09:31 PM
right this is extremely rare in the UK but seems to be more popular over t' pond ... and i just wanted to see what people think about it

i can see why parents would choose to do it ... wanting to control kids learning etc.

but this turns kids into little clones of their parents not posessing the knowledge to think for themselves ... it also seperates them from other kids ... which isnt good

with religion ... of course the child is gonna believe in the religion the parents believe in .... cos he/she knows nothing else

BAD




ur comments

C'jais
11-09-2002, 09:35 PM
Ohh....

It's extremely rare here in DK - but it is allowed.

I pity the kids being taught this way - how are they going to get any new friends if they don't go to school?

As long as they stick to the guidelines, rules and regulations concering it, I guess it's legal :confused:

Rogue Nine
11-09-2002, 09:38 PM
Talk to Fifteen.

Fine. Homeschooling is a novel concept that produces some of the most intelligent minds ever to come into existence. But it doesn't always work and also produces truck and cab drivers.

Clem
11-09-2002, 09:40 PM
thats not an opinion nine .... we want ur opinions 2

infact i want as many opinions as i can get

StormHammer
11-09-2002, 10:45 PM
I can see some reasons for it, I suppose. If the parents consider that their local schools are poor performers, for example, it might be better to take hold of the reins themselves. Then there are families that may move around quite a lot, and rather than send their child to many different schools, it might be more appropriate to teach at home to assure a more 'stable' setting. Lastly...until recent years, many schools were just being closed down in the UK, so choice has become more limited...and in some cases children have to travel many miles simply to reach their nearest school, which can add unnecessary journey times that may, in the long term, have an adverse affect on the child.

Obviously there will be cases where the parents want their child to grow up a certain way, and have control over that, and I don't think that's the right approach. Luckily, there's a decent school close to where I live, so I have no problem sending my kids to it. :)

Boba Rhett
11-09-2002, 10:49 PM
I find that your opinion on the matter is quite wrong in at least most cases, Clem.

I mean, sure, you're going to find a few that home school for the very reasons you listed but overall, that's not what it's all about for most of us.

DiRtY $oUtH™
11-10-2002, 12:44 AM
i think that unless the parents are qualified as teachers, its a waste of time.

Tyrion
11-10-2002, 12:55 AM
Actually I had a cousin who home-schooled. He had alot of friends. Mostly because,though, he played sports..

DiRtY $oUtH™
11-10-2002, 01:05 AM
oh, well of course there are going to be exceptions...

Boba Rhett
11-10-2002, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Darth Yoda85
i think that unless the parents are qualified as teachers, its a waste of time.


I think you have no clue what you're talking about. :wavey:

Hekx
11-10-2002, 01:07 AM
I nearly had homeschooling and I live in the UK http://homepage.ntlworld.com/webb.home/emotes/odd.gif

Elijah
11-10-2002, 01:13 AM
OMG... you just lit a fire you won’t be able to dash a bit of fire on...

Hello, My name is ZDawg and I have been home schooled my entire life. Clem, it is the ignorant people like your self that stereotype people like me

Originally posted by Clem
i can see why parents would choose to do it ... wanting to control kids learning etc.[/quote

My Life was based on thinking for MYSELF and not what some school teacher told me, OR what my parents told me. Now, tell me my parents *control* my learning

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But this turns kids into little clones of their parents not posessing the knowledge to think for themselves
Man... You have some twisted thinking.
I am in no way like my parents who BOTH went to public schools.
I can think for my self very well, I have traveled around the world on my own... I've never had any problems thinking for myself


it also seperates them from other kids ... which isnt good

Sense when did we have to be with kids our age all day long? People say this prepares you for the world? Where on earth are you with 30 other people your age in a single room? that’s a false environment.

I have a perfectly fine Social life and I have no problem meeting people my age.


with religion ... of course the child is gonna believe in the religion the parents believe in .... cos he/she knows nothing else
Ok... I want you to look at yourself... lets take the evolution thread for example... ok... you will/cannot believe anything but evolution, is this because its what they teached you? Or do you just believe it? I believe in God because of MANY MANY events in my life that would tell me I’m a complete idiot to think otherwise.

TheWhiteRaider
11-10-2002, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by Darth Yoda85
i think that unless the parents are qualified as teachers, its a waste of time.

Boy that is where you are wrong. All you need to teach ing a public school is to be politicaly correct. I know of a grammar teacher in Denver that couldn't even spell. Home schooled kids have won top places in the spelling, grammar, math, and geography bees. Doesn't that tell you something. Home schooled kids are prefered at collages also because they come to learn not to mess around.

I am home schooled and I haven't always been Home schooled. I like home school much better than any other.

And who are you to tell me what school I can go to that sounds like comunism. I can think of many people that were schooled at home. Most of the leaders in the history of the U.S.A. were schooled at home. To tell you the truth only in the 20th centry have we every widely done public schools.

And for any of you that say we get seperated from kids of our age that is a bunch of B.S. I am still doing other things apart from school that I talk with other kids.

Untill you guys are home schooled don't spread lies.

Rogue15
11-10-2002, 01:37 AM
I was homeschooled from Junior High through High School. Was it really worth it? I'm still asking myself that very question, and here are some questions i ask myself as well:

Would I have had more time to do things I wanted to do, if I went to public school? Probably not.

Would I be stressed out? Most likely

Would I be more social towards other people? maybe.

Would I know computers as well as I do now? not likely

Would I get good grades on my stuff? i doubt it. i'd probably end up depressed with all the homework. (my sister tried to go to public school this year, talk about depression!! i'm glad she quit)

Would I have more friends? I DOUBT IT x 100000000/10 nobody i know has same interests, except people i meet online.

the GED was easier than the schoolwork, they didn't really have anything hard on it except the essay, and i got a B in that.

Rogue15
11-10-2002, 01:38 AM
and i was able to teach myself, through CD-ROMs. and also got my hands on an A+ certification book, and read almost the whole thing. =D

ok time for bed. g'night people!

Elijah
11-10-2002, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider
Most of the leaders in the history of the U.S.A. were schooled at home. To tell you the truth only in the 20th centry have we every widely done public schools.
Aye... every president of the United states was Schooled at home or privately tutored in some way.

They told Thomas Edison that he was retarded and could not learn at the age of 12... his mother home schooled him and he than went on to create the most used object in history.

I have grown up with many kids my age who go to public school... they are now hardcore drug addicts, each one of them having a child or two at the age of 16... you think i regret not going to public school?

TheWhiteRaider
11-10-2002, 04:00 AM
Also some parents home school their children to keep them safe in some cases. If it is a rough school or neighborhood would you want to go to school every day?

JediNyt
11-10-2002, 04:10 AM
The education system needs a complete overhaul. Concentrate on teaching and learning the right way. Make if fast, effective, and fun which makes it motivating! Duh! Im not the person to figure out how to do it I just know its a good idea. And Im all for puplic schooling. Just do it right.

TheWhiteRaider
11-10-2002, 04:19 AM
I know two lines if you took out of the schools it would help.

"If it feels good do it."

This is bad in a way because to some people it "feels" good to kill or it "feels" good to rape.

"No one can tell you what is right or wrong you have to find that for yourself."

Though they don't mean break every law. That is generaly what some kids think it means.

See we changed from a Dydatic to a Dialecital type of teaching. That is why we have so much problems. Also don't have the goverment do it as it is a monopoly and has no reason to work hard. Though I would like to believe that they are in there for the benifit of the people I can't always say that is true.

SettingShadow
11-10-2002, 04:39 AM
My parents are considiring letting me go in a school were you work from home with a computer. I cant even see any point in why I should go in a public shool, Im sick sometimes more than 50% of the school session, Im not sick at vacations but as soon as I get back to school I get an infection. Like this year I´ve been in shool 10times since the summer vaction was over. And about losing contact to other kids, that would be so damn nice, I am completly diffrent than everyone in my class. Also after school I get a headech because of all the screaming and stuff. I doesnt really learn much either, since 50% of the day the kids are just screwing around making it impossible to concentrate. So I wouldnt mind going in that shool

Jah Warrior
11-10-2002, 05:01 AM
When i got kids I'd do this and teach them stuff thats useful instead of the unmitigated crap that they come up with in school.

the school sysytem here sucks badly and the private schools seem to produce kids that are not street wise.

Professor Snape
11-10-2002, 10:48 AM
i don't think homeschooling is a good idea cuz then u won't have a social life with ne1 and it would be harder to get a girlfriend or boyfriend

SettingShadow
11-10-2002, 10:59 AM
Do you need to have that???????? I mean who needs to have a girlfriend/boyfriend while your a kid??

Elijah
11-10-2002, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Dark Helmet III
i don't think homeschooling is a good idea cuz then u won't have a social life with ne1 and it would be harder to get a girlfriend or boyfriend

And i need one of these at the age of 15? why?... I have no though of getting married... it is pointless to date right now as all i would get is a lot of disapointment

and no NO NO NO NO. i do have a social life. that is totally false and isnt true... people need to stop saying that and get some facts.

give your stereotypes to someone who cares.

StormHammer
11-10-2002, 11:59 AM
Hmmm...I don't know, but there seems to be a perception here that if you go to a public school, that's the only avenue for your learning, and if the system sucks, so does your education.

I'd have to disagree with that view. Yes, I send my kids (well, one at the moment, the other isn't old enough) to a school, where I expect him to be taught certain things to an acceptable standard.

However, that doesn't fulfill my role as a parent. As a parent, I sit down with my son, ask him what he did in school today, go over it, and try and expand on it. I try to impart whatever knowledge I have available in a way they can understand, and hope it makes a difference.

It also depends on the child. For example, my eldest son (who is now 5, and has been in 'school' for 2 years [they start at the age of 3 here in Wales, UK]), knew his alphabet, all his colours, shapes, his name, his address, and he could count to 20...by the age of 3, and before he went to school. Frankly, the teachers were a bit surprised, and he's since won a few Headteacher awards. He's a bright kid, and learns fast.

My other son takes life at an easier pace. He's soon going to be three, and he can't recite his alphabet, he can't count to 20 (unaided), he knows some of his colours but not all, and he doesn't really identify many shapes. Also, up until about 6 months ago, he didn't want to say a great deal, and he still has problems pronouncing a lot of words and stringing them together into sentences. It's not that he's backward...he's just as quick as picking things up as his older brother. He won't be able to start school until September of next year..and in a way I'm thankful for that. He will have a bit more time to concentrate on things, to improve his speech, to learn his alphabet (if he wants to).

So different people have different aptitudes, and I'd say that sometimes the parent has to make a judgement call about what they feel is the right avenue for their child.

Also, it's up to the parents to see how well, or how badly, their children are doing if they go to a public school. I know a few people in the past who took more of a back seat and let the education system do the driving. I don't agree with that approach. It's my job to help my kids in any way I can, and if they want to learn something they're not learning in school, I'll help in any way I can.

I do feel that it's important for children (particularly if they are an only child) to interact with other children, to develop social skills and learning through play. As long as there are avenues for social progression in a home schooling environment...what's the problem?

I also take the point about illness and school. Unfortunately I am also someone who has always been prone to illness. If there's a cold or flu virus floating around, I'm guaranteed to catch it. Schools are, unfortunately, friends of the virus. When my son started school, he started getting coughs, colds, and other things...many of which he passed on to me (bless him). But in some ways that's a good thing, because it can help to build up your immune system if you are exposed to different viral strains.

So I don't see anything wrong with home schooling, if the parents are willing, and can impart a range of knowledge in a way they know their kids will understand, while also making it fun, and being aware of the need to develop social skills in tandem. :)

Clemme w/Stick
11-10-2002, 12:26 PM
Well, homeschooling kinda sucks...! It disables kids social skills, because they dont spend time with other kids their age!

So this means, that they will be selfish, and so on!!

-Clemme

Professor Snape
11-10-2002, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by ZDawg


And i need one of these at the age of 15? why?


Um yea. What u wanna get ur first kiss in ur 20's? But only geeks say they don't need a girlfriend

Darklighter
11-10-2002, 01:13 PM
It just means they will be shunned away from the society the should be brought up in (to go to school, decelop social skills). Instead they are being forced to learn in an enclosed, isolated manner, which in my opinion is unhealthy. And what more does private tutoring have to offer than a public school does? I go to a Grant Maintained school, and a lot of my friends have private tutoring, some in all their subjects, some in just a few, and they emerged from their GCSEs unsuccessfully so to speak. I have never once had private lesson, homeschooling, whatever you want to call it. Yet I managed to get 3 A*s, 4 As and 3 Bs last year. It is a waste of time, and although it teaches children a lot about knowledge, it does not teach them about the important things in life.

Rogue15
11-10-2002, 02:38 PM
It's true about having no social life. really true. I had practically no social life or friends my whole stay in florida (6 years), and so I was online most of the time...and got myself a social life. I adapted. :D We moved to PA recently, and over 3/4 of my friends are online, and in real life all my friends are 2+ years younger than me. (1 of those friends is from where i used to live, we went to same school for a bit) so it feels kinda awkward, and I'm usually left out of some of the stuff they do, never invited to go anywhere, it pretty much sucks, but I deal with it and I don't get depressed easily.

but depending what your hobbies are, being homeschooled can be a HUGE payoff. I guess i could've been considered the 'geek' in 6th grade, cause all i'd always be playing games on my snes. :p

Homeschooling was soooo much better than any school for me. I'd do school for like 3-4 hours a day instead of 8, and would get plenty of free time to pursue learning through gaming, which eventually led to my interest in computers, and online gaming. So i guess you could say I had a electronic-social life! :D My online friends are more real than my face-to-face friends, and are closer to my age.

Of course, i didn't really have any teachers to teach me algebra or math, so i had to bypass most of the ****, the GED didn't really have any algebra or stuff that required advanced forumulas. I was using CD's to do my work, which was REALLY good, since my parents got to leave me home alone to do the work, and i actually learned from it. Especially history and english, my favorite subjects. And since it was on computer, i didn't have to break my fingers using a pencil. For math, my mom got me Consumer/Business math, the math that actually makes sense and is used everyday.

Rogue15
11-10-2002, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Darklighter
It just means they will be shunned away from the society the should be brought up in.

wth? well, why would anyone want to fit into today's society? it's so....immoral. not to mention UNHEALTHY.

SettingShadow
11-10-2002, 03:02 PM
Well, homeschooling kinda sucks...! It disables kids social skills, because they dont spend time with other kids their age!

So this means, that they will be selfish, and so on!!

-Clemme

Uhm.... And what if you dont like to spend time with other kids at your age? Why should anyone become selfish because of that?

Um yea. What u wanna get ur first kiss in ur 20's? But only geeks say they don't need a girlfriend


lol :rolleyes:

wth? well, why would anyone want to fit into today's society? it's so....immoral. not to mention UNHEALTHY.


Exactly my opinion.

Professor Snape
11-10-2002, 03:29 PM
darklighter i agree with u all teh way

Rogue15
11-10-2002, 03:32 PM
:rolleyes:

I take it you've never been homeschooled.

Skate Boy
11-10-2002, 05:04 PM
Now I'm homeschooled and I have tons of friends!(suprise huh?)
I have three cousins that homeschool, four friends that homeschool. I like homeschooling! And I'm not selfish! :)

Darklighter
11-10-2002, 05:17 PM
I guess when you've never been in that position, you can't really comment on the topic at hand lol. But what I would say is that, after everything I've been through, going to a public school, making friends, and doing well, I wouldn't want to be homeschooled, because I wouldn't want to change from the life I have. And the stereotypes don't apply to everyone: we are making brief generalisations of people who are homeschooled, saying that they have no social life. I am not saying they don't have social lives, but they are persuaded not to by being privately tutored.

Rogue15
11-10-2002, 05:24 PM
well, instead of challenging students to get their work done, homeschool challenges students to make friends and get a social life. I was able to overcome the challenge somewhat, by joining these forums. :D

Darklighter
11-10-2002, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by Rogue15
well, instead of challenging students to get their work done, homeschool challenges students to make friends and get a social life. I was able to overcome the challenge somewhat, by joining these forums. :D

It's strange that these forums have become full of people who have joined and made such good friends. I mean on here, I know some of the best people I've ever met, without actually meeting them lol, it's ironic. Just goes to show it's good for all kinds of people.

ZBomber
11-11-2002, 12:29 AM
I alwasy wanted to be homeschooled, but I would not be as smart, since there are alot of thing my parents don't know taht I could find out in school. SO I',m glad I'm in school. :)

mswanmmiv
11-11-2002, 12:40 AM
Wow, I've noticed that most of the people who advocate homeschooling are the Christins from the evolution thread! I am a Christian and I am homeschooled also. And I love it! I meet plenty of people, it's called social skills. I learn a lot more than I did when I went to school. And this coming spring, my mom said she will let me start cumputer animation and graphic design as courses and get away with no english, because its the same stuff they taught me since 4th grade! How cool is that!?

TheWhiteRaider
11-11-2002, 12:54 AM
Um yea. What u wanna get ur first kiss in ur 20's? But only geeks say they don't need a girlfriend

And this is bad how? Why the rush? Maby us want to get a good job before we get married or some of us might want to be single(Though I don't want to be single.). Maby some of us don't want to work for 5 bucks a hour. And also 85% of girlfriends boyfriend relationships made in school Break up at the end of high school. And if everyone did this I would not be here today. My parents meet at PBS when they were radio enginers not High school.

It just means they will be shunned away from the society the should be brought up in (to go to school, decelop social skills).

You have no Idea do you? Here is a some facts.



Just talking doesn't give you a Social life.

Home schoolers have a much better ability to talk with older people as well as their age group. Public schooler tend to have trouble talking with people other than their age group.

And also there is more than just talking. Social skill are gained by art and art is not only a activity. You must be able to talk with clearity and meaning.

Kids outside of the "Incrowd" Tend to have amotional scars and many problems where going to school every day is a experiance with pain.

So public school in not for everyone. And I don't have bullys at home.(Execpt my brother :D )

....and those who have mental troubles where they have a hard time with work inside class rooms find home school better.

I also have A.D.D. I am not retarded, but I have a hard time thinking in big class and hard times when tons of people are talking at the same time.
And some kids work at a slower rate and some at a faster rate.

Home schooled kids get a more atention so they can ask any questions they may have.

It is true. I don't have to sit there waiting for the blood to go out of my arm to ask a question.

Also I don't have to wait for a long time between classes. And I can get done with my work as soon as I want.


So please don't bad mouth home school as I am in it and know what it is like and you don't. And I have seen public school before so I have seen both sides.

acdcfanbill
11-11-2002, 01:39 AM
I think it all comes down to the parents, a child can learn just as much and just as well in Public, Private, and home school. Many parents of todays society need to take more respocibility for their childern, and not let them be raised by TV, Movies, or thier friends...

TheWhiteRaider
11-11-2002, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by acdcfanbill
I think it all comes down to the parents, a child can learn just as much and just as well in Public, Private, and home school. Many parents of todays society need to take more respocibility for their childern, and not let them be raised by TV, Movies, or thier friends...

True very true. I am glad that my parents care for me. I think that different children need different ways of being taught the samething.


And cut it with the social life everyone!! A Home schooler just told you they have one. I may not have a girlfriend yet, but that doesn't mean I don't see any girls at places. There are more things other than school to have a social life in. And you know what I am 5 mins out of town and I still have one.

Youth Group
Self Defence class
Having friends in your neighbor hood

Those are just some. It is not like you only see other people in school.

Edit: I made some grammar errors.

Elijah
11-11-2002, 04:01 AM
Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider

And cut it with the social life everyone!! A Home schooler just told you they have one. I may not have a girlfriend yet, but that doesn't mean I don't see any girls at places. There are more things other than school to have a social life in. And you know what I am 5 mins out of town and I still have one.

Youth Group
Self Defence class
Having friends in your neighbor hood

Those are just some. It is not like you only see other people in school.


*Claps* everything you have said is true...

Im totally and utterly sick of this Stereotype crap about us Homeschoolers having no social life... I just spent the entire day with alot of my freind who go to Publicschool... I *fit in* just fine and have no problem with my social skills, never have... It bothers me that you Publicschoolers are so narrow minded... you swear that ALL Homeschoolers are social outcasts... this is false and is the lamest arguement i hear... and i hear it alot... advice to you people: get a new, better arguement.


I Have had a JOB sense the age of 9... working and making money plus doing my school work as i wish... I have worked for the EXTREAMLY rich... The poor, The Average... The Old, Young...
I have people tell me all the time that i have unsaly good social skills for a kid of my age... to *socialize* does not meen i must submerge myself with kids my age.

Wow, I've noticed that most of the people who advocate homeschooling are the Christins from the evolution thread!

I noticed this as well... geeze pretty good for a bunch of unsocialable geeks eh? :rolleyes:

C'jais
11-11-2002, 09:47 AM
I don't exactly know what home schooling involves, but if it's only your parents teaching you, then sadly, they can never learn you as much as a good teacher can. A teacher is trained to teach, a parent is training in becoming a good mother or father.

If it involves a teacher visiting your house, then it's still only one teacher, who obviously can't focus in, and have the same knowledge of things than a broad pallete of teachers.

Maybe it's just the American school system that's so piss poor that it's possible to achieve the same level at home - but I honestly don't think that, which is why I have trouble understanding it.

If my parents were to teach me, I'd be dumb as snot.

Rogue15
11-11-2002, 10:00 AM
in homeschool, nobody taught me. and my sister tried to go to public school TWICE, and the second time the teachers just had everyone sit in a group and teach themselves while the teachers just babysat them. could be because she was put in college prep level though...and on top of that, she didn't make any friends there.

you do learn more in homeschool. You're able to study without having all the peer pressure. And you're not sitting in a boring class for an entire hour listening to some teacher speak
/\/\0/\/070/\/3. I'm glad I was able to experience all the sides of schooling, first i was at public school, ended up going to christian school (where i hated their dress code they first had where i was forced to where a damn tie), and then homeschool.

Homeschool was the best for me, but it's not for everybody...especially if you want friends and loads of homework, not to mention stress and being tired all the time. :D

SettingShadow
11-11-2002, 10:58 AM
Well, the teachers in the shcool Im goin in sucks. They are angry and absolutly no good with kids. They think all kids think the same and are the same. It pisses me off.

TheWhiteRaider
11-11-2002, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by cjais
I don't exactly know what home schooling involves, but if it's only your parents teaching you, then sadly, they can never learn you as much as a good teacher can. A teacher is trained to teach, a parent is training in becoming a good mother or father.

If it involves a teacher visiting your house, then it's still only one teacher, who obviously can't focus in, and have the same knowledge of things than a broad pallete of teachers.

Maybe it's just the American school system that's so piss poor that it's possible to achieve the same level at home - but I honestly don't think that, which is why I have trouble understanding it.

If my parents were to teach me, I'd be dumb as snot.

First my Mother was a teacher for 18 years.

as a good teacher can

Oh realy then why do home schoolers get better grades? Why do only 1% of Home schoolers drop out of school why 45% from public schools?

Also you get books from places I have . It is not only you parents memory.

You don't need much to become a teacher in this world only need to be politcaly correct that is it! Teacher don't need to go through any training. They don't need to know alot.

Government school in history have failed or brain washed the children that go to it. How do you think Hitler came to power? By tricking the young through government school. And yet it was completely legal.

"Give me the world's youth and I could take the world."

-Unknown

Rogue15
11-11-2002, 09:32 PM
omg you're right, about the government thing!!!!!

besides, in homeschool you don't get all those cool rights taken away from you. :D


school teachers used to be elected by the parents, did any of you know that? :D

mswanmmiv
11-11-2002, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by cjais
I don't exactly know what home schooling involves, but if it's only your parents teaching you, then sadly, they can never learn you as much as a good teacher can.

A "good teacher" from public school will just indoctrinate you with their theories of evolution and crap like that. Don't challenge me, I've been in that situation.

TheWhiteRaider
11-11-2002, 09:39 PM
school teachers used to be elected by the parents, did any of you know that?

Yes and also they had to go through a course to earn the ability to become a teacher. Not to much anymore.

Grets Sirob
11-12-2002, 12:25 AM
Oh great, this is just great.

Socialization?!?
Is that the best you can come up with?
Tell me what's so social about being in a room, with thirty other kids the same age as you? Is that preparing you for life?
Let me tell you something, I have a great social life.
I may not have 50+ friends, but I don't care, I don't need fifty friends, I only need the good ones I've got.
My friends and I are in a very close circle, and my other friends are great too.
I have about nine or ten friends, all of them very close, and different ages, only two of those friends are the same age as me.
One of them is fifteen or sixteen, all the rest are below my age, by at least a year. Not to mention all the adults in my life, which I know very well.
Not to mention all of the other people I know as accquantances(people that aren't really friends, but you know them and say hi to them all the same).
This ends my rant about the socialization crap, now for the other stuff...

Intelligence.
You can too learn more then your parents, you're not limited by their intelligence.
For instance, I'm taking a critical thinking skills course, my mother(who teaches me) couldn't quite understand one of the problems. I on the other hand, understood it perfectly. This was just this afternoon. I also have a large vocabulary, have a college age reading level, high school algebra, and great social skills.
I have been home schooled from first grade. And from what I can remember, I did not have a fun time then, I had one friend, everyone teased me, by the end of the year I had met only two more people, and didn't really know them. And this was a private school, I couldn't imagine a public school, that would be horrifying....

Another thing, I'm in grade eight. Just thought you might want to know that....

So don't bash us home schooler's till you get into our own shoes, and another thing.
Drop this stereotype! They don't apply to anyone, except for about one in one hundred...

It's not a bad thing, I personally wouldn't want to go to public school, from what I've heard you don't actually learn anything...

TheWhiteRaider
11-12-2002, 12:30 AM
It's not a bad thing, I personally wouldn't want to go to public school, from what I've heard you don't actually learn anything...

Some schools you only have to show up that is it. Some other ones are better, but not by much.

Elijah
11-12-2002, 02:20 AM
I have learned ALOT in home schooling... and so far every one of the home schoolers here have a very functional social live, now... I'm sick of that argument and it would be better on us all if we dropped it for the simple reason that it is not valid.

but if it's only your parents teaching you, then sadly, they can never learn you as much as a good teacher can
Your trying to tell me that while having a 1 on 1 teacher I wont learn as much as a kid with 10+ teachers that focus on 50+ kids a day? Does this sound logical to you?

A teacher is trained to teach, a parent is training in becoming a good mother or father.
A teacher does not have to be trained, that is false.
The law says the only requirement to become a teacher is to be "able to teach"
Part of a parent’s job is to teach their children the ways of life.

The Public school was created for children who otherwise would not have an opportunity to learn, I have that opportunity and there for do not need the public school.

mercatfat
11-12-2002, 02:45 AM
Home school is wonderful if you like to hide from the realities of life like evolution, true World History, biology, etc. As well, public schools offer many types of hands-on learning, in science in particular, that a home school could not hope to offer with their budget and status (chemicals they can't get without a license, etc).

Then again, if you're a geek and have no intrest in your preferred sex, like to pretend there is no evil in the world, don't like to party or fufill your sexual needs (and yes, they do exist) ever, home school is wonderful since it shelters you from all that. I, on the other hand, love watching real life happen and learning from it. Now, I'm tao-agnostic, so many of your views don't fit me. Much of what you said sounds very typically christian from what I've seen in my very christian church and household, so I'll let you be on your opinions. If you went to public school, however, you'd be seeing life for what it really is, life. Not something you pray about when you get a wrist cramp or stub your toe, just an endless ebb and flow of life. Evil is defined as that which is not Good, but if evil does not exist, what do we have to judge good on? You can't have one without the other, period, so there's no sense sheltering yourself from it.

To avoid bullying, don't act and dress so geeky. Period. I'm a total geek, but you'd never know it from my good looks, humor and intrests in music.

Flame on, you know I'm right.

Boba Rhett
11-12-2002, 03:15 AM
I'm... not sure what you're saying you're right about. About not using neat chemicals at home? Yeah, ok. Didn't get to do that much. Nuts.

About not learning the realities of life and, in fact, hiding from them? Eh? You're basing this all on the assumption that the sole reason home schooling exists is so that parents can tell their children what they believe to be true and false, right and wrong, and in their opinion, how everything in history really, "went down". As much as you apparently want to believe it, home schooling is not like what is depicted in the movie Waterboy. I know "Mama" did not invent electricity and I do not believe that fooshball is the devil.

You also apparently believe that home schoolers go sit in a closet when they aren't having school, thus stopping them from getting out, talking to people, making friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, etc. :indif: This, in fact, is not true. I know, I know, it's a shocker but we socialize, we just don't rely on socialization from a group of peers that we are forced to be with 8 hours a day.

Seriously though, if somebody is home schooled or if somebody went to public school or if somebody went to private school, etc.. Why the hell should any of us possibly care or put them down because of it? Lets just all live our own lives and stop being so worried about other people living theirs differently from our own.

TheWhiteRaider
11-12-2002, 03:27 AM
realities of life like evolution

First Evolution has not been proven. Darwin him self would tell you it is a theory. And who say we are geeky? Heck I bet if you had a public school kid standing next to a Home schooler you couldn't tell them apart. We listen to music. We watch TV. We wear new outfits. And what is bad about learning? You need it to get through life. And you talk about true histroy. If you mean that the earth is billions of years old. That is still a theory too.

Oh AND I HAVE BEEN TO PUBLIC SCHOOL!!! SO DON'T BRING THAT UP AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know what life is like I don't stay in my house all day long. Strange someone who bashes Geeks and yet talks about what life realy is. And you know what? Just maby some of us don't want to screw up our lives by getting some girl pregnant.

You need to be smart today to make alot of money. The in-crowd types tend to be rejects later in life unless they do something about it.

Flame on, you know I'm right.

I know you are wrong on some of those.

Evil is defined as that which is not Good, but if evil does not exist, what do we have to judge good on? You can't have one without the other, period, so there's no sense sheltering yourself from it.

Tell me do you call what the terorist did on 9/11 evil? Do you call what the sniper has done good? Do you call what Hitler did Evil?To them the takeing of lives was ok.

that a home school could not hope to offer with their budget and status (chemicals they can't get without a license, etc).

So does that mean we can't learn. Or that we always school at home? Most of the heavy Chemistry is done in collage. I will go to a collage when I finish High school.

you went to public school, however, you'd be seeing life for what it really is, life.

How do you know? Have you been Home schooled? Who is going to know more someone who has seen both sides or someone who has only seen one?

Boba Rhett
11-12-2002, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider


How do you know? Have you been Home schooled? Who is going to know more someone who has seen both sides or someone who has only seen one?

Bingo Bango. All these baseless accusations and faulty assumptions are giving me a headache. I'm going to bed. :dozey:

TheWhiteRaider
11-12-2002, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett


Bingo Bango. All these baseless accusations and faulty assumptions are giving me a headache. I'm going to bed. :dozey:

I am about to do the same here.

Elijah
11-12-2002, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by mercatfat
Home school is wonderful if you like to hide from the realities of life like evolution, true World History, biology, etc. As well, public schools offer many types of hands-on learning, in science in particular, that a home school could not hope to offer with their budget and status (chemicals they can't get without a license, etc).
How about you throw your assumptions into subject you know something about? You know what happens when you assume


Then again, if you're a geek and have no intrest in your preferred sex, like to pretend there is no evil in the world, don't like to party or fufill your sexual needs (and yes, they do exist) ever, home school is wonderful since it shelters you from all that. I, on the other hand, love watching real life happen and learning from it.
Sense when did Home schoolers have no sexual desires?


Not something you pray about when you get a wrist cramp or stub your toe, just an endless ebb and flow of life. Evil is defined as that which is not Good, but if evil does not exist, what do we have to judge good on? You can't have one without the other, period, so there's no sense sheltering yourself from it. who said I was sheltered from it? You think when I walk down town I don’t see evil/good? I live in the ghetto, I see death and evil all the time... I’m far from "sheltered"

If you went to public school, however, you'd be seeing life for what it really is, life. You know nothing about life, you think that waking up and walking to a classroom filled with kids your age for 8 hours is LIFE? Have you ever had a job? Worked and made money? Talked to people and respected them for more than just their age?

To avoid bullying, don't act and dress so geeky... Period.
but you'd never know it from my good looks, humor and intrests in music. ummm... What the heck? Once again, CUT IT WITH THE ASSUMPTIONS! I'm not geeky in any way, nor do I dress geeky, I listen to all verities of music and I have a great sense of humor
I'm a total geek Oh? and you go to public school? but i thought geeks came from homeschooling :rolleyes:

Grets Sirob
11-12-2002, 06:37 PM
Well said, all of you homeschoolers!
Strike up another one for the homeschools!

Agen
11-12-2002, 06:53 PM
Well i don't personally see anything wrong with it. :)