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Rogue15
11-13-2002, 02:24 AM
he could have easily taken yoda out after he used the force to knock over that pillar onto anakin and obiwan!!

Tyrion
11-13-2002, 03:40 AM
No he couldnt.

1. Important role- Since we know Yoda is in the future(story-wise) movies, he cannot be killed in anyway,so he gets a Anagontist-type forcefields.

2. Small size- Yoda's small size makes him harder to hit, giving him an advantage.

:D

leXX
11-13-2002, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by Rogue15
he could have easily taken yoda out after he used the force to knock over that pillar onto anakin and obiwan!!

I see what you are saying, I thought that too. Why didn't he attack him while he was saving Obi and Ani?

I think Dooku's first priority was escape, that is what was on his agenda from the begining. Getting the death star plans back to Sideous was more important than battling it out with Yoda. He saw his opportunity to escape and used it, and I think he realised that he would not be able to defeat Yoda anyway, so continuing to fight him was pointless.

Jedi_Monk
11-13-2002, 02:06 PM
I think Dooku was afraid that Yoda would've decided to play a little game of baseball, using him as the ball and that cooling tower as the bat :D

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Xyphox
11-13-2002, 07:52 PM
I really hope that you don't seriously think that Dooku could have beaten Yoda, cuz that would just be sad.

ET Warrior
11-13-2002, 08:46 PM
Oh man, i was just thinking when i watch ep 2 the other day it would've been awesome if yoda would've smashed dookus ship with the big ol pillar!

Dooku could NOT have taken yoda. Dooku ran because he realized that Yoda was about to go SUPER kung foo on him and rip him into tiny tiny pieces.

Rogue15
11-13-2002, 11:38 PM
dooku didn't kill obiwan although he could have, same with anakin. I think he'll turn out betraying sidious in some way, and getting killed by anakin. something like that. heh

ET Warrior
11-14-2002, 12:17 AM
But dooku was GOING to kill obiwan. He had his saber raised ready to strike the killing blow, it was anakins huge leap that saved obiwans life.

Taos
11-14-2002, 01:35 AM
I think Yoda was ready to finsih Dooku when he says something like "fought well you have Dooku." Yoda was ready to be done with it.......IMO.

:)

Rogue15
11-14-2002, 02:12 AM
i can't believe i forgot about that part when anakin saves obi11!!!!

why do i post when i'm not thinking clearly? :D

Ratmjedi
11-14-2002, 02:20 AM
I don't know. Why do you post?

J/K

Dooku had to leave before he was going to get his a$$ kicked.


I think Dooku was afraid that Yoda would've decided to play a little game of baseball, using him as the ball and that cooling tower as the bat
That was funny as hell man. :rofl:
:lsduel: :duel:

Ratmjedi
11-14-2002, 02:33 PM
He was like a miniture Darth Maul. He did so many jumps and spins. I wonder what he would be like if he had a Sith Lightsaber.
:lsduel: :duel:

Breton
11-14-2002, 07:16 PM
Yoda never "owned" Dooku in any way, after my opinion they fought nearly eaqually good, Yoda just was a bit more offensive and quick thats all

And starwars.com agrees with me:

"The Jedi Master Yoda confronted Dooku. The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other. It came down to a contest of lightsabers. In a blurring tangle of speed and light, the two masters of the Force dueled. Unable to find an advantage, Dooku distracted Yoda by endangering Kenobi and Skywalker with a toppling crane. As Yoda used the Force to save his fellow Jedi, Dooku fled. "

ET Warrior
11-15-2002, 01:36 AM
I personally feel, like Leemu said, that yoda was getting ready to finish dooku, when he said "fought well you have, my old padawan" He's insinuating that the fight is about to end, becasue yoda's gonna pull out all the stops and cut him to ribbons.

Jedi_Monk
11-15-2002, 01:59 AM
Yoda never "owned" Dooku in any way, after my opinion they fought nearly eaqually good, Yoda just was a bit more offensive and quick thats all

And starwars.com agrees with me:

"The Jedi Master Yoda confronted Dooku. The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other. It came down to a contest of lightsabers. In a blurring tangle of speed and light, the two masters of the Force dueled. Unable to find an advantage, Dooku distracted Yoda by endangering Kenobi and Skywalker with a toppling crane. As Yoda used the Force to save his fellow Jedi, Dooku fled. "
How does starwars.com back you up? Neither bested eachother in their use of the Force, but when it came down to lightsabers, Dooku couldn't get the advantage, meaning he was getting "owned".

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Taos
11-15-2002, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by Rogue15

why do i post when i'm not thinking clearly? :D


Don't get me started 15!!

:xp:

Breton
11-15-2002, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk

How does starwars.com back you up? Neither bested eachother in their use of the Force, but when it came down to lightsabers, Dooku couldn't get the advantage, meaning he was getting "owned".

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Well I guess thats just different ways of reading it.

But Yoda did not own Dooku in the battle, both fought really good. You can see that if you watch the battle again

Hannibal
11-15-2002, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn


Well I guess thats just different ways of reading it.

But Yoda did not own Dooku in the battle, both fought really good. You can see that if you watch the battle again

Jedi fight defensively so Yoda was easily holding Dooku at bay fighting defensively. Once Yoda decided to end it, it would have been over.

leXX
11-15-2002, 02:27 PM
also, don't forget that Yoda did not use his force powers for offence, only defence. Dooku used the force to through things at Yoda, but instead of throwing them back at Dooku, he just forced them out the way. I know it is not the Jedi way to use the force for offence, but if Yoda had, the battle would of been over very fast indeed.

Kryllith
11-15-2002, 02:35 PM
Objects, yes, but he did throw force lightning back at Dooku...

Kryllith

Ratmjedi
11-16-2002, 03:49 AM
Actually Yoda did not throw it back at him. He simply deflected it back like Darth Vader did to Han when Solo started shooting at him at Bespin.
:duel: :lsduel:

Count Dooku 2
11-16-2002, 07:57 AM
Yes, and Yoda absorbed the last volley. I wonder if that gave him the strength to fight like that?

However, Count Dooku would have beated Yoda if the duel had gone on longer. Yoda has size on his side, granted, but if you watch carefully the better swordsman is actually Dooku. All Yoda does is spin himself around in a tornado, whereas Dooku is using less movement and more skill with the lightsaber. If the duel continued, the Count could have defeated the short little Jedi.

Plus he could have caught Yoda off-guard with that Force lightning, then he would have won. If Yoda didn't deflect the lightning away, then it would probably knock him down.

Count Dooku has the better weapon, Force powers and lightsaber skill. Of course he would have beaten Yoda if the duel continued.

Pad
11-16-2002, 11:03 AM
i think dooku could have killed yoda when he was busy savin obi-anakin. but i think it was somethin about the honor, u dont kill anybody who is unable to defend himself.
still good in dooku, there could be :yoda:

ET Warrior
11-18-2002, 12:17 AM
If dooku would've tried anything with Yoda after knocking over the cooling tower Yoda would've swung it around and smashed poor dookie flat. OR he would've started flipping around avoiding all of dooku's attacks WHILE suspending the tower in the air. And then yoda would've been mad and would have killed Dooku once and for all. Dooku could not have killed yoda had that fight gone on longer. Dooku fled for precisely that reason. He knew he was going to lose and either get captured or killed. So he created a diversion and ran away.

Count Dooku 2
11-18-2002, 12:50 PM
Erm... Yoda could not have flipped around the room while suspending the tower above Obi-Wan and Anakin! Look at the expression and listen to Yoda while he uses the Force: it takes effort, and he does not have the strength to jump around the hangar while holding a tower in place.

Yoda didn't simply stop the tower, he needed time to focus and bring the structure to a stop. Even when he had, it took more effort to throw the tower away. Leaping, holding the tower in place and concentrating on Count Dooku's attacks would have been impossible, even for Yoda.

Count Dooku is Yoda's dark equal. The duel would not have ended for a long while if Dooku didn't need to escape and get to Coruscant. Dooku did not flee because he realised that Yoda would have beaten him. He escaped because his loyalty to his master meant that continuing the duel would have placed the Death Star plans in danger.

While I'm here, ET Warrior, I will bring up the Death Star matter: do you still think that the Geonosians won't build the battle station? Well, listening to Poggle the Lesser...
"We cannot let the Jedi discover what we are planning to build."
This is basically the leader of the Geonosians saying "We are going to build the Death Star", and means that in Episode III the insectiod race will construct the Empire's terror weapon.

Andy867
11-18-2002, 06:57 PM
Also, you forget that the Force Lightning is hazardous to one's health, so when Yoda absorbed it, it in fact, hurt him a little. Maybe not much. What's weird is that yoda had no problem moving the X-Wing when he is 900 yrds old, yet he struggled to move the tower, which in theory, probably didn't weigh as much, but also consider that Yoda said that the X-wing was only to big in one's mind. So Size, according to yoda, doesn't really have much affect to an extent.

ET Warrior
11-19-2002, 01:48 AM
Well, the Tower had inertia and momentum driving it downwards which yoda had to overcome, and he'd also just used the force extensively to fight that battle. he was a bit tired. No matter what you say or what logic you use against me, Yoda would have eaten dooku for breakfast and spat him out on a plate without even worrying. He was toying with dooku for the entire duel.

Jedi_Monk
11-19-2002, 02:16 AM
Also, you forget that the Force Lightning is hazardous to one's health, so when Yoda absorbed it, it in fact, hurt him a little.
I interpreted that scene as Yoda breaking the lightning down into raw Force energy which he added to his own energy well, thus it's no longer destructive Force lightning, but an energising Force boost.

What's weird is that yoda had no problem moving the X-Wing when he is 900 yrds old, yet he struggled to move the tower, which in theory, probably didn't weigh as much, but also consider that Yoda said that the X-wing was only to big in one's mind.
Yoda did have to concentrate quite a bit to lift Luke's X-Wing. If Yoda's face looked a little more scrunched than it did then, it was because the situation was far more urgent. Yoda says that the only limits to using the Force is what you believe. Luke failed because he didn't believe he could do it. It's not a physical effort, but it's still an effort. It's bending your will, forcing yourself to have enough faith to believe that you can lift that X-Wing, or that cooling tower. It's a parallel with Jesus telling his deciples that if they had faith "the size of a mustard seed" they could tell the moutains to move, and they would move.

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PowerBroker
11-22-2002, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
However, Count Dooku would have beated Yoda if the duel had gone on longer. Yoda has size on his side, granted, but if you watch carefully the better swordsman is actually Dooku. All Yoda does is spin himself around in a tornado, whereas Dooku is using less movement and more skill with the lightsaber. If the duel continued, the Count could have defeated the short little Jedi.

While whirling around, Yoda was devastating Dooku's defenses. At the end of the battle, you could see that Dooku was tired and was barely able to defend against Yoda's assault. Meanwhile, Yoda was energized and ready to decapitate Dooku.

At the beginning of the battle, Dooku was able to deflect almost all of Yoda's blows. However, as the battle went on, Dooku began to swing off target, and his posture became purely defensive. Yoda was slowly wearing him away, and was prepared to destroy him when Dooku retreated.

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
Plus he could have caught Yoda off-guard with that Force lightning, then he would have won. If Yoda didn't deflect the lightning away, then it would probably knock him down.

Yoda was able to put his hand and absorb / deflect all of the lightning Dooku threw at him. He had no trouble at all, and could have gone on doing it all day. Besides, Dooku was immobilized while using force lightning, so it was virtually worthless.

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
Count Dooku has the better weapon, Force powers and lightsaber skill. Of course he would have beaten Yoda if the duel continued.

Yoda outclasses Dooku in knowledge of the force, and is a more powerful and aggressive swordsman.

While Dooku can only deflect Force Lightning with little control, Yoda can absorb it, deflect it, or fire it right back. I'm willing to be that Yoda could have used Force Lightning alone to kill Dooku, should he have chosen to. Yoda also exhibited superior force control when he halted the descent of the pillar. If you study Dooku's movement and facial expression, it is clear that he acknowledges his inability to accomplish the same feat as he watches Yoda cast aside the column.

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
Erm... Yoda could not have flipped around the room while suspending the tower above Obi-Wan and Anakin! Look at the expression and listen to Yoda while he uses the Force: it takes effort, and he does not have the strength to jump around the hangar while holding a tower in place.

I'm sure Yoda could have violently tossed the column away in a pinch, and then dodged any attack. However, that would have taken considerable effort, and would expend his strength.

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
Count Dooku is Yoda's dark equal.

Dooku is not as powerful as Yoda. He is in the same elite class, perhaps, but Yoda is more powerful. Yoda exhibits superior swordsmanship and force skills, though only the former would make a significant impact on a pitched battle.

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
The duel would not have ended for a long while if Dooku didn't need to escape and get to Coruscant.

I don't think so. Yoda acted like he was ready to obliterate Dooku at the end, and only out of caring for his compatriots did Yoda abandon this intent.

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
He escaped because his loyalty to his master meant that continuing the duel would have placed the Death Star plans in danger.

Dooku was certainly ready to fight Yoda at the beginning, with little concern for the plans. It was only when Yoda signaled the battle was over that he escaped. He could have left any time before then, but chose not to.

ET Warrior
11-22-2002, 09:09 PM
Agree with the new one, i do. ;)

Welcome to the forums powerbroker i hope you enjoy your stay.

dorain8
11-23-2002, 02:20 AM
REMEMBER YODA IS ABOUT 8 OR 9 HUNDRED YEARS OLD
SO GIVE HIM SOME CREDIT

I PERSONALLY THINK YODA WOULD HAVE WHIPPED SOME DOOKU ASS

BUT WELL ITS JUST WHAT I THINK WOULD HAVE HAPPENED
WE WILL NEVER KNOW UNLESS THE FIGHT CONTINUES IN EP.3

(I THINK ANY WILL KILL DOOKU TO TAKE THE RIGHTFUL PLACE BESIDE SIDEOUS

Count Dooku 2
11-23-2002, 09:27 AM
You make a convincing argument for a new member, PowerBroker. Congratulations.

However, I still think that Count Dooku would have won the duel if it continued, I still think Count Dooku has the better weapons and Force powers and I still think that Count Dooku is as powerful as Yoda, if not more.

"I've become more powerful than any Jedi. Even you."

Bob Gnarly
11-23-2002, 10:02 AM
actually he couldnt have killled yoda because hes in ep 4,5,6
and why would dooku drop the piller unless he was winning?

PowerBroker
11-23-2002, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
You make a convincing argument for a new member, PowerBroker. Congratulations.

I try my best. Though I must say, I came here merely out of interest for Star Wars, and I'm rather tired of the constant debating I participate in in other forums.

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
I still think Count Dooku has the better weapons and Force powers

His lightsaber appears to be equivalent to Yoda's, with the curved handle being the only difference. Perhaps you will counter that his use a different crystal or what-not, but remember, only the movies are canon. No guide or other fiction (even an officially licensed source) should be considered canon, and the makers of the movie agree with me.

As for his force powers, the only reason Yoda doesn't blast him with force lightning is because force lightning is a dark power, and I doubt Yoda would want to tread the fine line between the dark and light sides like Obi-wan did in Episode One. Yoda exhibited an ability to target and absorb the force power thrown at him, and ability Dooku couldn't match (he could only deflect the lightning away from him).

But I think that this is a tired argument, and I doubt debating it over and over again will change anyone's mind.


Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
"I've become more powerful than any Jedi. Even you."

Opinion. His force powers weren't fully advanced yet, a telltale sign of which was his lightning (compare his and Palpatine's).

ET Warrior
11-23-2002, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

"I've become more powerful than any Jedi. Even you."

"Much to learn, you still have..":yoda:

Count Dooku 2
11-23-2002, 02:51 PM
"It is obvious that this contest cannot be solved by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber."

:saberr:

Face it: Count Dooku could have 'taken Yoda out' in the duel (I prefer to say 'destroy Yoda', but I am using the thread title here), and if it did continue then the Count would have emerged victorious by killing the Jedi Master (I know people will say that Yoda comes back in the original trilogy, but I am speaking hypothetically). End of story.

Andy867
11-23-2002, 03:06 PM
But then you have to consider the facts that it takes more than "skills with the lightsaber" to defeat a Jedi Master, especially Yoda. If Obi-Wan and Anakin werent there, yoda would not have held back, he would have easily defeated Dooku Because A) The Sith Lighting is supposedly the Sith's ultimate Power, yet Yoda was not only able to absorb without any real difficulty, but that he was also able to deflect it back at Dooku, which means that the Lightning was't strong enough to overcome Yoda's connection with the Force. Yoda May not have been the greatest lightsaber master, as say Windu, but he certainly would have been able to wear Dooku down like he did to wear simple techniques of the Force would have ended Dooku's Life. Yoda May have the greatest connection with the force, but I remember hearing or reading somewhere that Windu was the best Jedi at wielding the Lightsaber.

Count Dooku 2
11-23-2002, 03:14 PM
Force Lightning isn't a Sith Lord's greatest power. There are some other powers that have not been revelaed yet which beat Lightning and will be used in Episode III. They have not been used yet because they are used on a much bigger scale, say to wipe out several thousand troops.

Yoda may be able to deflect Lightning, but that was only because he concentrated on Dooku's attacks. If he was in the middle of a lightsaber fight with Dooku and the Count used Lightning as a surprise then Yoda would be knocked back. Look how long Anakin was imobalised for! Yoda's size would be a disadvantage here as well, and he would probably be badly wounded. Wounded enough for Dooku to finish him.

PowerBroker
11-23-2002, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
Force Lightning isn't a Sith Lord's greatest power. There are some other powers that have not been revelaed yet which beat Lightning and will be used in Episode III. They have not been used yet because they are used on a much bigger scale, say to wipe out several thousand troops.

Please enlighten me as to these powers.

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
Yoda may be able to deflect Lightning, but that was only because he concentrated on Dooku's attacks. If he was in the middle of a lightsaber fight with Dooku and the Count used Lightning as a surprise then Yoda would be knocked back. Look how long Anakin was imobalised for! Yoda's size would be a disadvantage here as well, and he would probably be badly wounded. Wounded enough for Dooku to finish him.

The way Yoda was fighting, I don't think Dooku could have let down his defenses for a second. If he did, he would have been chopped in half. Besides, Anakin was a mere Padawan who knew nothing of the power of force lightning. He was utterly unprepared, and was punished for it.

Also, the same could be said about Yoda. He could have used dark force powers, if he were willing. Yoda was a lot more able to stop force lightning than Dooku was, and I wouldn't be surprised if Dooku was more suceptible to a lightning strike than Yoda was.

Jedi_Monk
11-23-2002, 04:15 PM
"It is obvious that this contest cannot be solved by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber."
Dooku said this because he knew that anything he dished out, Yoda could void. Dooku was admitting defeat, not saying he was as good as. And Yoda's lived for 800 years, and in that time he's probably learned every form of lightsaber dueling. Yoda's style was a culmination of all of the styles... and when you're using a pure form, like Dooku, having someone who can switch styles on a dime can really throw you off. Despite what you think, Dooku was wearing down while Yoda was still jumping around. Yoda didn't show weariness until he released the Force.

Yoda is the most powerful Jedi. His midichlorian levels are second only to Anakin (whatever that means), and he's lived lone enough to learn all of the nuances of the Force. He knows the Force in a way Dooku cannot unless he lived another eight centuries. By the end of their little Force duel, he knew that anything he threw at Yoda, Yoda would have no trouble stopping. He felt a little more confident with a lightsaber, but Yoda was thoroughly beating him. "Fought well you have, my old Padawan." But now it ends.

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PowerBroker
11-23-2002, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk
His midichlorian levels are second only to Anakin (whatever that means)

Actually, you cannot state that. Luke's midi-chlorian levels were never tested, and thus it is possible he trumps Yoda. As for what midi-chlorians do, they enable a Jedi / Sith to use the force. The more you have, the better your force skills are.

Sivy
11-23-2002, 08:15 PM
i don't where they got their information or how accurate it is

http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/midi.html

but here's a list of midi-chlorian levels

Jedi_Monk
11-23-2002, 09:32 PM
Actually, you cannot state that. Luke's midi-chlorian levels were never tested, and thus it is possible he trumps Yoda.
I intended to mean my comment for just characters in the prequels. At this time, Yoda has the most midichlorians, more than Dooku, was my point. But you're right, I should've been more specific.

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ET Warrior
11-24-2002, 04:04 AM
Force Lightning isn't a Sith Lord's greatest power. There are some other powers that have not been revelaed yet which beat Lightning and will be used in Episode III. They have not been used yet because they are used on a much bigger scale, say to wipe out several thousand troops.

I would truly like to see where you get all this inside info dooku. I mean, George hasn't even finished the script for the movie yet, hasn't started casting, but you seem to know all about episode 3.....
I think lightning IS a sith lord's greatest power, i doubt we'll see them do anything other than that.

You are still neglecting one major fact of the battle dooku, Yoda's quote. "Fought well you have, my old padawan" He speaks as though the fight is over now, meaning that Yoda is confident of victory, it is this tone that causes dooku to create a diversion and run away with his tail between his legs.

dorain8
11-24-2002, 05:42 AM
he knocked down the pillar
so he could run away

like the guys in monty pythom running from the crazy devil rabbit

and if he had the ability to kill yoda
HE WOULD HAVE!

THAT OLD FART JUST SUCKS AND YOU KNOW IT!

yoda_is_a_puppe
11-24-2002, 06:29 AM
the monty python guys only run from the rabbit to get the holy hand grenade dude:rolleyes:

PowerBroker
11-24-2002, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Sivy B
i don't where they got their information or how accurate it is

http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/midi.html

but here's a list of midi-chlorian levels

That is not canon, and should not enter into a discussion on a scene in the movies.

AlphaBlade
11-24-2002, 12:59 PM
a little off-topic, but this has been bugging me for a while.

Why Dooku knocks down the tower on Aniken and Obi, why doesn't Yoda just force-push Ani and Obi out of the way. Or, better yet, why didn't the two idiots just ROLL!!!!!!

lol

PowerBroker
11-24-2002, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by AlphaBlade
Why Dooku knocks down the tower on Aniken and Obi, why doesn't Yoda just force-push Ani and Obi out of the way.

Maybe he doesn't want to hurt them. Maybe he wants to show off his leet force skills.

Originally posted by AlphaBlade
Or, better yet, why didn't the two idiots just ROLL!!!!!!


Could you roll if you had your arm cut off and were extremely weak? Or how about having a hole in your leg?

AlphaBlade
11-24-2002, 02:00 PM
After Dooku is dead, Both Ani and Obi get up and walk around (sure, with a little help)!

Plo_Koon_27
11-24-2002, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Oh man, i was just thinking when i watch ep 2 the other day it would've been awesome if yoda would've smashed dookus ship with the big ol pillar!

Dooku could NOT have taken yoda. Dooku ran because he realized that Yoda was about to go SUPER kung foo on him and rip him into tiny tiny pieces.

You've got it ET Warrior i was just thinking that too i just got done watching ep 2 and it would've been totally awesome for yoda to have done that but then how would Darth Sideous a.k.a. Chancellor Palpatine have gotten the plans for the original Death Star for Episode V A New Hope? it stinks that what we would want to have happen can't happen cause of what happened during Luke Skywalkers run in the star wars movies!!!!!!

:koon: :lsduel: :duel: :kiadi: :yodaball: :aobi: :saberb: :saberr: :saberg:

ET Warrior
11-24-2002, 02:20 PM
It's quite true plo koon 27. First off, let me welcome you to the forums, secondly, let me congradulate you on having the very cool name of the greatest jedi in the universe.

Plo_Koon_27
11-24-2002, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by PowerBroker


Actually, you cannot state that. Luke's midi-chlorian levels were never tested, and thus it is possible he trumps Yoda. As for what midi-chlorians do, they enable a Jedi / Sith to use the force. The more you have, the better your force skills are.

it's said by Master Jinn in Episode I that anikin's midi-chlorian levels were higher than anyone he'd ever seen meaning his was higher than even yoda's and with luke being ani's son that means that luke also had an extremely high level of midi-chlorians maybe even higher than daddy's and maybe luke was the Jedi that was meant to bring the force back into order maybe??????

Jedi_Monk
11-24-2002, 03:13 PM
I think lightning IS a sith lord's greatest power, i doubt we'll see them do anything other than that.
Hm... dunno... I'd say that the ability to cloak yourself in the Dark Side and be undetected by your enemies would be a very powerful weapon, as would be the ability to manipulate people... but maybe that's just the politician in me ;)

he knocked down the pillar
so he could run away

like the guys in monty pythom running from the crazy devil rabbit
That is the best analogy I've ever heard! :rofl:
"What? Behind the little green midget?"
"It is the little green midget!"
"You silly sot! I soiled my tunic I was so scared!"
"Go on, Dooku, cut his head off..."
"Right! One little-green-midget-kabob coming up--AAAAAHG!"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Plo_Koon_27
11-24-2002, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
It's quite true plo koon 27. First off, let me welcome you to the forums, secondly, let me congradulate you on having the very cool name of the greatest jedi in the universe.

thank you ET i appreciate the welcome and thank you i love Plo Koon also i wish he'd have more of a role in the movies!

:koon: :saberb: :saberr: :dmaul3:

^ wouldn't have been a fair fight (plo koon wouldv'e beat his azz up)

PowerBroker
11-24-2002, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by Plo_Koon_27
maybe luke was the Jedi that was meant to bring the force back into order maybe??????

I doubt it.

Weapon X
11-24-2002, 07:06 PM
oooh, looks like powerbroker has dropped some serious logic bombs on count dooku 2, haha, that's awesome, a "noob" (i hate that word) comes in and enlightens everyone in the ways of star wars, haha, that's way cool, plus, dooku was losing, he knew it, so that's why he dropped the pillar, he knew yoda wouldn't let obi-wan and anakin die, so he decided to destract him and RUN AWAY, you lose dooku

PowerBroker
11-24-2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by ep2 Anakin
a "noob" (i hate that word) comes in and enlightens everyone in the ways of star wars

Who is the noob; the one with 300 posts or the one with 3000 (http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getbio&UserName=General+Rak)? ;)

I am new to these forums, sure, but not to debating and web forums in general.

Besides, Dooku poses a strong argument, and, with a little work, could counter my flimsly posits and evidence. :)

Weapon X
11-25-2002, 12:25 AM
noob was in quotation marks, meaning sarcasm, i don't call people noob's or newbies, noobies.... just cuz we don't know how long people had been on these forums before they registered to be able to put their opinions in, i was reading for about 2 months before i registered, i just never felt the need to until june or whenever i did, oh well

Kain
11-28-2002, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by Andy867
Also, you forget that the Force Lightning is hazardous to one's health, so when Yoda absorbed it, it in fact, hurt him a little.


Watch the movie again. After he takes that last hit of it, he sighs heavily. Exhaustion or pain...hrmm? Meditate on this, I will

Darth_Vader_27
11-29-2002, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk


Yoda is the most powerful Jedi. His midichlorian levels are second only to Anakin (whatever that means),
http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

what it means is that anikin is more able to access the force than any other jedi or sith lord in the history of the star wars universe more so than even yoda

Darth_Vader_27
11-29-2002, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Count Dooku 2
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Count Dooku has the better weapon, Force powers and lightsaber skill. Of course he would have beaten Yoda if the duel continued.

get a grip Count Dooku 2! Dooku is nothing more than a baboon with an accent and couldn't beat yoda even if yoda had both hands tied behind his back and standing on one foot! What makes you think that he could have beat yoda? yoda is an over 800 year old jedi master and with all that experience how could dooku beat him? it's implausible impossible and utterly ridiculous to think that he could!

ET Warrior
11-29-2002, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by yoda_is_a_puppe
the monty python guys only run from the rabbit to get the holy hand grenade dude:rolleyes:

Actually, they ran away because, and i quote "That rabbit is dynamite!" They were getting their heads ripped off. had they strayed they all would have died. ;)

Watch the movie again. After he takes that last hit of it, he sighs heavily. Exhaustion or pain...hrmm? Meditate on this, I will

It is a sigh of disappointment. Yoda is upset because his old padawan has gone to the darkside. He's also sighing as a way of teaching, *sigh* "Much to learn, you still have" He is still being dooku's teacher and master :D

Breton
11-29-2002, 08:33 PM
If there is anyone here who denies the fact that Dooku is one of the strongest Jedi in SW, then I think they are wrong. Dooku was about 90 percent of Yoda in power and skill, and he fought great, he defeated Anakin twice, and wasn't this Anakin supposed to be the über Jedi, with all his midichlorians? He turned out to be a spoiled teenager always wanting more attention. Midichlorians isn't all, far from it, without proper training, your MCs are worth very little.

get a grip Count Dooku 2! Dooku is nothing more than a baboon with an accent and couldn't beat yoda even if yoda had both hands tied behind his back and standing on one foot! What makes you think that he could have beat yoda? yoda is an over 800 year old jedi master and with all that experience how could dooku beat him? it's implausible impossible and utterly ridiculous to think that he could!

I suggest you see the duel between them again, and then you can change your opinions (I hope).

I saw the duel 2 minutes ago, and an analysis of the duel would be that Count Dooku fought very well against him, but even though they were nearly equal, Dooku found no advantage against Yoda, and instead of pointlessy clash away all of Yodas hits, he found it smarter to distract Yoda to get away with the death star plans. starwars.com supports me on this

A more detailed analysis would be that when they clashed together, Dooku first tried to go agressively at Yoda, but instead, it became Yoda who went agressively at Dooku. Dooku was fencing off all Yodas hits, but still couldn't get the advantage over Yoda. This continued after the first saber lock. But then Dooku slowed it a bit down, and Yoda had to jump away to start all over again on his agressive moves. But not long after, Dooku elegantly slowed down Yoda's hits, leading to the last saberlock, where Dooku fled.

PowerBroker
11-29-2002, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
wasn't this Anakin supposed to be the über Jedi, with all his midichlorians?

No. He was supposed to be an arrogant Padawan with incomplete training.

Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
A more detailed analysis would be that when they clashed together, Dooku first tried to go agressively at Yoda, but instead, it became Yoda who went agressively at Dooku. Dooku was fencing off all Yodas hits, but still couldn't get the advantage over Yoda. This continued after the first saber lock. But then Dooku slowed it a bit down, and Yoda had to jump away to start all over again on his agressive moves. But not long after, Dooku elegantly slowed down Yoda's hits, leading to the last saberlock, where Dooku fled.

In the beginning Dooku made solid contact with Yoda, deflecting his blows and fighting using an aggressive defense. After a while though, he wore down, and at the end was making less and less contact. In the last scene he was just able to block Yoda's assault, and seemed quite tired. Yoda, on the other hand, was pumped up and ready to take him out. Further analysis leads to the conclusion that Dooku was very strong at the start of the fight, and then considerably weakened as the fight went on. Instead of parrying Yoda's strike with a vengence and attempting to counter attack, he began retreating somewhat and swinging a bit erratically. At the end, he had slowed down as he wore tired, and Yoda matched pace with him. It is obvious that Yoda could have struck like he had in the beginning, but he was toying with Dooku. He was ready to take advantage of Dooku's fatigue at the end, when he congratulated Dooku on his fighting.

dorain8
12-02-2002, 03:21 PM
anakin had more midichlorians, that doesnt make him an awesome swordsman

cmon billy badass palpatine force lightninged the **** out of both luke and vader, but he couldnt fight hand to hand for ****,

THAT WHY VADER TOSSED HIS ASS

Andy867
12-02-2002, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by JM Qui-gon Jinn

...he defeated Anakin twice, and wasn't this Anakin supposed to be the über Jedi, with all his midichlorians? He turned out to be a spoiled teenager always wanting more attention. Midichlorians isn't all, far from it, without proper training, your MCs are worth very little.



Like Powerbroker said, he was an irrigant teenager with incomplete training. Think about how long Dooku had been using the force as opposed to Anakin. We know that Anakin didn't even begin his training till he was 9, where Dooku probably began closer to near birth or maybe a little after. Dooku also had Yoda to train him as his own Master, where Anakin had Obi-wan. With the introduction of the Clone Wars, there is a 3 year gap between Episode 2 and 3, and during this time, there is probably a very good chance Anakin gets some real life or death field experience and is taught by the remaining Jedi Masters. But we all know in the end Someone kills Dooku, and that someone is either Sidious, Obi-Wan, Mace, or Anakin. So obviously Dooku WASN'T all that, or he would have been in at least Episode 4, which he's not.

gundark
12-03-2002, 07:14 PM
what the crap?
yoda coulda kicked 'doodoo's bum 6-ways from sunday
there is a reason he lives until 'jedi, and that he can whup some butt...... and anyone who can't see that is a primitive screwhead.........

:bluskel: :chainsaw:

Breton
12-06-2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by gundark
what the crap?
yoda coulda kicked 'doodoo's bum 6-ways from sunday
there is a reason he lives until 'jedi, and that he can whup some butt...... and anyone who can't see that is a primitive screwhead.........

:bluskel: :chainsaw:

Ah, it is good that people posts such serious and very objective replys to a such discussion [/SARCASM]

But we all know in the end Someone kills Dooku, and that someone is either Sidious, Obi-Wan, Mace, or Anakin.

...or Yoda, wich I have already admitted is slightly better than Dooku.

git_sum_stuka
12-07-2002, 04:06 PM
Maybe he was 2 afriad lol

Master Bodle
12-07-2002, 07:42 PM
While Dooku is my favourite Sith, i reckon Yoda would be able to defeat him but it would be a good fight.

BobaJango
12-13-2002, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by Plo_Koon_27
maybe luke was the Jedi that was meant to bring the force back into order maybe??????

Vader WAS the one to bring the force into balance. He had Luke Skywalker, which was a pun in one sense, to get Vader to come to his senses and realize the truth. The lightside is better than the darkside. Then Vader threw that old fagot Palpatine down the Reactor shaft and he exploded into a big purple fart.The end. :D


:fett: :jango:

Raquor
12-13-2002, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by BobaJango


Vader WAS the one to bring the force into balance. He had Luke Skywalker, which was a pun in one sense, to get Vader to come to his senses and realize the truth. The lightside is better than the darkside. Then Vader threw that old fagot Palpatine down the Reactor shaft and he exploded into a big purple fart.The end. :D


:fett: :jango:

Palpatine fell down the hole and got all Palpy!
(sorry couldnt help myself :(