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Kstar__2
11-14-2002, 03:06 PM
well, my first philosofic tread wasn't such a big hit, so i'll just try it again.

i think:
that we are only really ourselfes on the internet.

let me explain myself:
there are certain things that you wan't to tell your friend, but you just can't. on the internet, no-one knows you, so it really doesn't matter what you say, because they won't take action, or confront you with it.

so, suppose i like this girl, and wan't to know some tips how to find out if she likes me (no, this is not why i posted this message!:p ) i won't ask my friends about it, because they may tell it to others, or go straight to that person. if i ask it here, i'll get a response, but it doesn't matter if you tell it furter, because you all don't know me personal.

so actualy, i think that the internet is alot safer when it comes to telling things, without being afraid of the consecuences (i know, i spelled it wrong)

Ratmjedi
11-14-2002, 03:16 PM
I agree with you man. I tell my online friends more than I tell my friends where I live because my friends on the Internet are more seriouse and mature. You guy's know a lot to. On the Internet you don't have to be afraid of stuff you tell people because what are you going to do? E-mail it to people who know you. It's relatively safe and it is more comfortable.
:lsduel: :duel:

ckcsaber
11-14-2002, 03:20 PM
Yes, I agree also. This forum is a great example. The internet is given a bad name by those who try and do all that stupid stuff which is dipected SO WELL:roleyess: on tv and the such

Boba Rhett
11-14-2002, 03:25 PM
Philosophical :)


Yeah, I agree. I'd say, "easier" though.

Kstar__2
11-14-2002, 03:29 PM
:xp: i just got an A for my english test, so don't go telling me how to wright YOUR language................ow wait....
*runs*

i'm glad that i make sence this time:D

Skate Boy
11-14-2002, 03:31 PM
I'm sorry kstar__2 but it's Sense

Please don't kill me!:)

Taos
11-14-2002, 04:51 PM
I totally agree with you Kstar!! :D There are less worries about what you tell ppl.......kind of a good feeling sometimes. ;)

Kstar__2
11-15-2002, 10:31 AM
i don't believe the philosophic tread is ever going to be a succes.:(

Boba Rhett
11-15-2002, 10:36 AM
Well what else did you want said on the matter? :)


How about this,


What do you know and when did you know it? What do any of us truly know?

Eldritch
11-15-2002, 10:37 AM
It's because you need something controversial... not in a bad way, but you have to have something to create dialog. If you post something that everyone agrees with already, there's only so many times that people can read, "Yeah, I agree," (or one of the many variations) before they get bored. My advice is not to start yet another Philosophic thread, but to try and save this one by starting a new topic within it. Please though, nothing too serious. The Creation/Darwin thread got waaay out of hand.

Perhaps something like... are we alone in the universe? Let's hear arguments for and against. :) Maybe it'll take...

C'jais
11-15-2002, 10:40 AM
Everything is a state of mind.

There are no truths, only perceptions.

Nothing ends, nothing begins, everything is infinite.

I do not see you as how you are, but how you perceive yourself.

-Check my sig for some others.

EDIT - the evolution thread didn't get out of hand IMHO.

Whether we're alone in the universe is a scientific question, not a philosphical one.

Kstar__2
11-15-2002, 10:42 AM
alrighty than, will technology ever contol us. or is it already controlling us. not only in the way of bad robots killing us, but are we depended on technology to survive?

C'jais
11-15-2002, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by kstar__2
alrighty than, will technology ever contol us. or is it already controlling us. not only in the way of bad robots killing us, but are we depended on technology to survive?

If by technology you mean clothes and such, then yes - only people in a tropical climate can survive without clothes.

Technology - anything man made?

Eldritch
11-15-2002, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Cjais

Whether we're alone in the universe is a scientific question, not a philosphical one.

I disagree. It has philosophical implications because it refers to people's state of mind and how we think about ourselves with reference to the universe, which is something that Philosophy deals with. The Existential Vacuum, which is a big Philosophic debate, deals with whether or not we're alone as human beings. If you extend it to the universal scale, it becomes whether or not we're alone as a planet.

All I have to say was best said in the book (and movie) Contact: "If it really is just us... it seems to be an awful waste of space."

Kstar__2
11-15-2002, 10:52 AM
with technology i mean everything man made, that can do stuff, so no clothes, but tv's ,radio's, computers. cell phones

C'jais
11-15-2002, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S


I disagree. It has philosophical implications because it refers to people's state of mind and how we think about ourselves with reference to the universe, which is something that Philosophy deals with. The Existential Vacuum, which is a big Philosophic debate, deals with whether or not we're alone as human beings. If you extend it to the universal scale, it becomes whether or not we're alone as a planet.

All I have to say was best said in the book (and movie) Contact: "If it really is just us... it seems to be an awful waste of space."

Good point.

However, that quote implies that a higher power created us IMO.

I like to think of it that it's reasonable to assume that life developed on other planets - since the universe is pretty big as far as we know... ;)

No, we're not alone in my opinion - wether the Bible tells people to treat aliens like animals is the more important question here.

C'jais
11-15-2002, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by kstar__2
with technology i mean everything man made, that can do stuff, so no clothes, but tv's ,radio's, computers. cell phones

Clothes do stuff too, such as protect you from the harsh elements.

We do not need computers or cell phones to survive, IMHO.

Eldritch
11-15-2002, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Cjais

No, we're not alone in my opinion - wether the Bible tells people to treat aliens like animals is the more important question here.

That wasn't the question I was trying to pose - nor was the quote meant to imply divine creation. I think, as you do, that it's not only reasonable to assume that life exists elsewhere in the universe, but to think anything else is downright selfish. Liken it to the old days when people thought the earth was the center of the solar system, with everything revolving around it. We have a hard time wrapping our minds around a concept like this: That we're not special - we're not the only ones here. I think the possibility that we're not alone in the universe also strengthens my position (one which does not involve divine creation) that the universe is random and that if there is a divine being, he has no direct impact on what we do here. However, I don't want to make this discussion about religion. I want to keep it scientific and philosophical. ;)

C'jais
11-15-2002, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S
However, I don't want to make this discussion about religion. I want to keep it scientific and philosophical. ;)

Okay then - how about this:

How should we treat aliens, if presumably they're as smart or smarter than us (IE: they find us)?

Should we treat them as animals? As other humans?

Kstar__2
11-15-2002, 11:08 AM
philosophy and religion are two verry close things. but why arent you all wildly posting on my new saying???:p

ShadowTemplar
11-15-2002, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Cjais


Clothes do stuff too, such as protect you from the harsh elements.

We do not need computers or cell phones to survive, IMHO.

But if someone blew up all the power plants, chem plants, waste-processing plants, water treatment facilities, pipelines and factories, we in the Western World would effectively be dead. That is, of course, an acedemic point, as you would need some real mean nuclear bombs to do so. And if all the factories were to be nuked I don't think that we would care very much after the event.

I also agree that the "are we alone" question is really a scientific debate, as it concerns measureable indicators. We are alone in the universe. And when we meet a ET we will no longer be.

Pierre the Frog
11-15-2002, 07:34 PM
No computers do not control us, we where all born with one very important freedom - the freedom of choice, we may choose to depend on machinery, but we may also choose not to.

To get back to the original question, that we are really only ourselves on the internet, let me ask you this way:

Who am I? am I who I myself see me, or as my friends see me?

Eldritch
11-15-2002, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Cjais


Okay then - how about this:

How should we treat aliens, if presumably they're as smart or smarter than us (IE: they find us)?

Should we treat them as animals? As other humans?

We should treat them as equals - definitely not as animals. Treat them the way you would treat an ambassador from another country, with dignity and respect.

Pierre the Frog
11-16-2002, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Cjais


How should we treat aliens, if presumably they're as smart or smarter than us (IE: they find us)?

Should we treat them as animals? As other humans?


A more interresting question would be, how do you think we would treat them?

C'jais
11-16-2002, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Pierre the Frog


A more interresting question would be, how do you think we would treat them?

STFU n00b... :p

j/k