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Natty
11-21-2002, 10:03 AM
Is it worth me trying to organize this? Was quite annoyed last year everyone jumped up and down and said what a fantastic idea and then like 3 people voted. Even though I gave everyone plenty of time to submit votes

I'm quite prepared to organize it and everything, but only if I know full well everyone votes.

Deadmeat_X
11-21-2002, 11:19 AM
Well, I don't know about the rest, but I'm gonna vote. Bring it on...

NiKo
11-21-2002, 11:44 AM
Sure, why not...count me in

Al-back from the BigWhoop
11-21-2002, 02:06 PM
i was in last year, so im in this year too

Feral
11-21-2002, 02:09 PM
Sure, I'll vote

Natty
11-21-2002, 07:27 PM
OK first of all I think we're gonna need categories to vote in. Forum related and non forum related.

For example

Forum Related
Forum member of the year-
Topic of the year-
quote of the year-
Loser of the year-
(of course more can be added or whatever this is just an example)

non forum related
Event of the year-
stupid celeb of the year-
celeb of the year
movie of the year-

**song of the year** If we're to include a song of the year category, I want 5 nominations but also it had to have been in your contries top 20.


If anyone else has any ideas feel free, I'm just trying to get ideas out at the moment to see what you guys are interested in. Tis your awards :)

murta
11-21-2002, 08:09 PM
It might work a bit better his time 'cos alot of them can be done with polls

Acrylic
11-21-2002, 09:38 PM
stupid celeb of the year- Micheal Jackson
NEW THINGIE: newbie of the year? i think that would be a good category? maybe i could be a candiddate? :D

Natty
11-21-2002, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by murta
It might work a bit better his time 'cos alot of them can be done with polls

Yeah was thinking of doing polls, but it would be kinda hard to do the nominations via polls.

I was thinking that each category will need 3 nominations but to get the final nominations, say for example (and this applies to every category that is done)

forum person of the year. nominate 5 people but rate them in order of preferance for example (and this isn't how I think just doing an example

NiKo- 5 points
Guybrush 122- 4 points
Feral- 3 points
Murta- 2 points
Kjo- 1 points

That way whoever/whatever has the most "points" in each voting category will then go on in the final nominations. If that makes sense. Then it can all be set up using the polls feature :)

Al-back from the BigWhoop
11-22-2002, 01:46 PM
Forum member of the year-
Topic of the year-
quote of the year-
Loser of the year-
newbie of the year (buy newbies its meant "newbies IN EMI, right?)-


Event of the year-
stupid celeb of the year-
celeb of the year
movie of the year-
music of the year -


we pm natty, nominate 5, but rating them in order of preferance


is every1 k with it? can we start voting?

Feral
11-22-2002, 05:36 PM
I disagree with the "Top 20" clause for song of the year, and I think it should be album of the year, anyway.
My nominations for the categories so far:

Forum Related
Forum member of the year- Natty, Guybrush122, Al-BFTBW, Kj°en, Neil Joshi, Deadmeat-X, Drunken_Sailor, Murta, Niko, etc
Topic of the year- K-jo round (Kjolen), What do you want on your tombstone? (Deadmeat-X), Link on (murta)
quote of the year- Haven't the foggiest
Newbie of the year- Kj°len, Neil Joshi

non forum related
Event of the year-
stupid celeb of the year-
celeb of the year
movie of the year- There haven't been any good movies this year
Album of the year- Stone Sour (Stone Sour), Sticks & Stones )New Found Glory), Tenacious D (Tenacious D)

Metallus
11-22-2002, 06:20 PM
Jeez, I can't be Newbie of the year...I was nominated last year as well.

Feral
11-23-2002, 11:04 AM
I say we get some nominations going, then we can go right into the votes.

Joshi
11-23-2002, 05:26 PM
here we go!
Forum related
Forum member of the year-
Niko-5
Feral-4
Natty-3
Fender-2
Kjolen-1 (i think we forgot to say not to vote for yourself, in either nominations or vote)(also, sorry to anyone i haven't voted for, i love you all, but there can only be 5, sorry again, luv u!!!)

Topic of the year-
Kjo'round-5
Grisalphbet-4
What do you wan't on your tombstone?-3
Link on-2
Moon landing topic (it was a compelling topic for some of us, although hostile at times, it probably won't go through, but i think ought to be mentioned)-1

Loser of the year-
Max Payne-5
Mek-4
Dark Sad Shadow-3

newbie of the year-
Kjolen-5
Acrylic Guitar-4

non forum related
Event of the year-

stupid celeb of the year-

celeb of the year-

movie of the year-
SWII:AOTC-5
LOTR:FOTR-4
Austin Powers In Goldmember-3
Spideram-2

music of the year -


(i'll think of more later and edit this)

and Guybrush, the whole point is that the one with the most nominations gets into the final vote which we then vote on. gettit?

well natty, guess this was a better success than you thought it would be. i guess we really want something to happen around here eh?

Guybrush122
11-24-2002, 11:59 AM
im confused...we ALL nominate and then vote?

i think only one should nominate..but we'd have to vote on that

lol

Feral
11-24-2002, 12:05 PM
Since Natty hasn't been on in a while, I'll make some real nominations. You can add to them if you like.

Member of the Year
Natty, Guybrush122, Neil Joshi, Kj°len, The Feral Chicken, Murta, Fender

Topic of the Year
K-Jo Round (Kj°len), Link On (Murta), What is Utopia? (Neil Joshi), E=MC2 (AcrylicGuitar/Natty), EscapeMI Christmas Countdown (The Feral Chicken)

Newbie of the Year
Kj°len, Neil Joshi, Griswold, JRThomas, SamNMax

Anything else?

Guybrush122
11-24-2002, 12:13 PM
Forum Member of the Year:
Natty, The Feral Chicken, Kjolen, NiKo, Neal Joshi,
Guybrush122 (what? i can dream!)

Topic of the Year:

K-Jo Round (Kjolen), Link On (Murta), Moon Landing (Mek, I believe)

Newbie of the Year:

Kjolen, Neil Joshi, Acrylic Guitar, Sam N Max

Kj°len
11-24-2002, 03:51 PM
Forum Member's OTY*
Natty, Guybrush122, Fender, Feral, Niko, Al-Back from the BigWhoop, Deadmeat_X, Griswold, Neil Joshi, & Kj°len is all I can think of... hmm I think there is more.

Newbie OTY
AcrylicGuitar, SamNMax, King Andrei

Topic OTY
K-Jo'Round
Gris'Alphabet (Bad time to remind you I stole the topic name from him:p)
I'm Back (The revisitation of the homo-sexual fight, maybe not a PLESANT topic, but)
Moon Landing
What do you want on your tombstone?
Hey.... (Taken over by DSS and Aresen, poor Sarah :p)
Hey2.... (See above)
I'm looking for my sanity

Music OTY
1 - Punk Rock (PUNK ROCK ALL THE WAY)
2 - Heavy Metal
3 - Japanese Pop :D :D :lol: I like it

Movie OTY
1 - Austin Powers 3 - Goldmember
2 - Lord Of The Rings - The Fellowship of The Ring
3 - StarWars Episode 2
4 - Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets (I accually have still to see it, but I know its good, but not better than the above)

Media OTY
1 - Anime
2 - Comedies
3 - Intense Movies


Key:

OTY = Of the year
1, 2, 3 etc = The Ranking of the Object

Doodle Dude of Doom
11-24-2002, 04:58 PM
Forum Member's of the year
Niel Josh, Kj÷len, Niko, Feral, Natty, Guybrush122

Newbie of the year
AcrylicGuitar, SamNMax, King Andrei , Isak, Kj÷len

Topic of the year
K-Jo'Round
Kj÷len makes animated nintendo chars
The goodbye topic by Dracya (because everyone got engadeg and wanted to call cops and so on)

Music of the year
1. Kent (Swedish)
2. U2
3. Millencolin

Movie of the year
1 - Vanilla Sky
2 - Spider Man
3 - Star Wars Episode 2
4 - Hundtricket (should be best international)

Natty
11-25-2002, 06:16 AM
OK I'll just let you guys take over, don't mind me for having a life ok?

Drunken_Sailor
11-25-2002, 06:43 AM
Ok Natty. :D

Members: NiKo, Feral, Deadmeat, Neil Joshi, Kj°len, AG, Natty, Guybrush122, etc.

Topic: K-Jo round 1&2

Tombstone

Moon landing 1
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74834

Moon landing 2 (This one is from MixnMojo:D)

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77224 (Read it, it's hilarious!:D)

The question game

Car of the Year: Honda NSX (am I obsessed?)

Loser of the year: Max Payne

Feral
11-25-2002, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Natty
OK I'll just let you guys take over, don't mind me for having a life ok?

You can still run all the polls and handle the data, I jsut thought I'd get people to make some nominations for when you returned. :)
Sorry if it feels like we're pissing on your bonfire.

Deadmeat_X
11-25-2002, 12:20 PM
Forum member of the year- NiKo, Al-BFTBW, Neil, Murta, Kjolen
Topic of the year- Kjo's round
quote of the year- GOT MILK?
Loser of the year- Max Payne, Meksilon, Max Payne Fan (Fellas)
newbie of the year- Kjolen, AGuitar

Event of the year- The whole Irak-business, Bali
stupid celeb of the year- M.Jackson (duh!), Las Ketchup, Khia
celeb of the year- Weird Al Yankovic :D
movie of the year- Spiderman, Insomnia, SW2
music of the year - Bowling for Soup, Muse, Custom
game of the year- No One Lives Forever 2



(I love the idea, but I still have to see someone actually make something outta this)

Natty
11-25-2002, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by The Feral Chicken
You can still run all the polls and handle the data, I jsut thought I'd get people to make some nominations for when you returned.
Sorry if it feels like we're pissing on your bonfire.


No no it's ok anyways here's the list of categories I came up with.

Forum member of the year
Forum newbie of the year
Forum topic of the year
Forum quote of the year
Forum loser of the year
Sig of the year
Avatar of the year
Forum member who should come back
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Album of the year
Single of the year
Most annoying single of the year
Movie of the year
TV show of the year
Actor of the year
Actress of the year
Annoying celeb of the year
Jerk of the year
Event of the year (good)
Event of the year (bad)
Website of the year


If there are any you want to see added let me know by the end of the week, I won't accept nominations until the start of next week so it gives you time to think about the categories and what you wanna vote/nominate for each category. If someone else comes up with an idea then let me know and I'll edit this message at least that way all you need to do is refer to this one message to get all the categories.

Now in order for your vote to be counted, you have to email me at nattydevil@optushome.com.au and under each award nominate 3 things eg

Forum member of the year
3. Feral
2. NiKo
1. Guybrush122

However your rank/vote (or whatever you wanna call it) has to be in preferance because whoever or whatever is listed as first that will get 3 votes and so on and so forth. The reason why I am doing it like this is because if every category has only 1 vote thingie there's gonna be so many ties or whatever because of all these individual votes. At least if everyone votes for 3 thingies then a broader picture can be obtained and I just think it makes it a bit more fair. (ok that doesn't really make sense but I think you get what I mean)

I will not vote however I will put everything together.

You have until Friday December 13th to vote (your time not my time I'm not that much of a bitch) which then I will start adding scores. I will not accept your vote if all areas are not filled in fully or categories are left blank.

Now here comes the question which I wanna put forward to everyone. Do you want a second round of voting with the top3 nominations that will come from this? Only the second time around you only need to vote once in each category

For example say after all my adding I came up with Murta, NiKo and Kjo for forum person of the year, the second time you vote you would only need to vote for one of them, and that would be it. I will leave this decision totally up to you, and the majority rules. I'll then total them again to get an overall winner. If you decide you wanna do that I will notify you guys with a date when the nomination period is finished



Oh and if you don't like these rules than you can fark off right now :p All other serious questions feel free to ask :)

Kj°len
11-25-2002, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by Natty
I came up with Murta, NiKo and Kjo for forum person of the year

You did did you? ;)

I forgot Game of the Year:
K-Jo'Round (;)) and Sims Online (When it's out)

Al-back from the BigWhoop
11-26-2002, 09:07 AM
i think the one with 2 rounds is better, but
I will not accept your vote if all areas are not filled in fully or categories are left blank.
y?? there r some categories i dont intend to vote, but i dont wanna take em off cause i dont wanna stop other ppl to vote on those.


ps- we r not allowed to vote on ourselves, right?

Natty
11-26-2002, 09:55 AM
Any reason why people should be allowed to vote in some categories and not the others? I've made up my mind and I'm not going to change my decision unless there's a serious backlash against my decision only then will I consider changing it.

Besides in say the Acadamy Awards I'm sure people would be kicked out if they said "oh I don't intend on voting for best actor in a supporting role but I'll vote in all other categories" Can you imagine if only 1 person voted in that (the best actor in a supporting role for example) yet all 20 (or however many people there are who vote) voted for best actor in a leading role? Can you mean to tell me that's fair? While this is all in good fun I think it should still be fair and by that I mean everyone votes in every single category, in a politics election if you don't vote properly your vote isn't counted. Like I said I'm not changing my mind unless there is a serious backlash, only then I might consider changing my mind.

And no you can't vote for yourself any votes in which you vote for yourself I won't count either

Joshi
11-26-2002, 03:29 PM
actually i agree with that. think about it, say twenty people send in their nominations, that would eman that we would get twenty people voting for best forum member and twenty people voting for best newbie and so on and so fourth. so if only fifteen people voted for best topic it wouldn't be fair would it? so it is a good idea for us to vote for everything or nothing at all.

Al-back from the BigWhoop
11-26-2002, 05:22 PM
i dont see y its not "fair" to get only 15 votes on 1 category. if some ppl ddnt vote on that category, it means that they dont wanna take sides for some reason taht cares to others as much as "who did u vote".

i dont know how elections work in australia, but in brazil u can abstain your vote for, lets say, mayor, and still vote for president

the reason i dont wanna vote for some categories, like Annoying celeb of the year and Jerk of the year is that i dont know any (except for michael jackson) and i wont research about it because i dont have time, im about to apply for MEC's Big Test.

bsides, it just doesnt seem logical: just because i feel neutral about something i cant vote for anything?! wtf!???

Feral
11-26-2002, 05:32 PM
I agree with Al to some degree...I also agree with Natty, though. I don't really care about any of the non-forum related awards, but I'll still vote if I have to.

Kj°len
11-26-2002, 05:57 PM
Ok I guess i have to redo mine, the new rules canceled me out.

Forum member of the year - Natty
Forum newbie of the year - AcrylicGuitar
Forum topic of the year - K-Jo'Round (It's not really voting for myself, i think it's true.)
Forum quote of the year - GOT MILK?
Forum loser of the year - Payne (Sorry dude, I just didnt want to get canceled out.)
Sig of the year - King Andrei (;):p)
Avatar of the year - Nintendo Chars (Still not voting for self, Nintendo chars were very popular.)
Forum member who should come back - Storken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Album of the year - Conspiracy of One (Older i know but....)
Single of the year - Red Hot Chili Peppers' "By The Way" It was the rock single of the year for real :p I'll have to hear it.
Most annoying single of the year - las ketchup, the ketchup song (I'm going with everyone else, i havent heard it, but I know when I'll dislike a song.)
Movie of the year - Goldmember
TV show of the year - Inuyasha
Actor of the year - Mike Miers
Actress of the year - Hally Berry
Annoying celeb of the year - Mike Jackson (Sorry dude, your just going over the edge.)
Jerk of the year - Dark Sad Shadow (I dont mean that in a mean way lol he was funny)
Event of the year (good) - New Years Day (I'm always happy for a new year)
Event of the year (bad) - Michael Jacksons baby thing (NOT GOOD AT ALL)
Website of the year - Google

SamNMax
11-26-2002, 06:12 PM
Forum member of the year- Niko, Al, Feral, Neil, Kjo
Forum newbie of the year- Only one I know of is me
Forum topic of the year-Kjo'round
Forum quote of the year- GOT MILK?
Forum loser of the year-Max (Pyane)
Sig of the year-None
Avatar of the year-AcrylicGuitar
Forum member who should come back- Wouldn't know
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Most annoying single of the year- Is the Ketchup song a single?
Movie of the year- Die Another Day
TV show of the year- The Simpsons
Actor of the year- Pierce B.
Actress of the year- Hally Berry
Annoying celeb of the year- Michael Jackson (See him dangle that baby off the balcony?)
Jerk of the year- Sadom
Event of the year (good)- The find of James Christ's coffin
Event of the year (bad)-9/11
Website of the year- IGN
Game of the year- Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

Feral
11-26-2002, 06:19 PM
Forum member of the year - Neil Joshi
Forum newbie of the year - Kj°len
Forum topic of the year - "What is Utopia?" (Neil Joshi)
Forum quote of the year - "Forum Quote of the Year -" (Natty)
Forum loser of the year - Max Payne
Sig of the year - "The Devil's NEW number" (Guybrush122)
Avatar of the year - Chicken Nintendo character (Kj°len)
Forum member who should come back - MagnusB (since Storken's got a vote already :))
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Album of the year - Stone Sour - Stone Sour
Single of the year - Bother - Corey Taylor
Most annoying single of the year - That stupid one that goes "Ohh!" after every line...it came out recently
Movie of the year - Speedoman...I mean, Spiderman
TV show of the year - Have I Got News For You?
Actor of the year - Mel Brooks (Graham Hess, Signs)
Actress of the year - Abigail Breslin (Bo Hess, Signs)
Annoying celeb of the year - Paul Burrell
Jerk of the year - Russel Crowe
Event of the year (good) - New Found Glory's tour
Event of the year (bad) - Bali bombing
Website of the year - LucasForums.com

Kj°len
11-26-2002, 08:38 PM
Why must everyone vote me forum newbie of the year? I registered last year. Plus, there is still AcrylicGuitar, SamNMAx, King Andrei, and Isak to vote for.

Al-back from the BigWhoop
11-27-2002, 07:42 AM
your probably a newbie this year in EMI


btw - in "member who should come back" does storky and frenchy fit in? i mean, they did come back, but not in full speed

storken
11-27-2002, 12:51 PM
Hey, this sounds fun but it's all a big maze to me. :confused:

murta
11-27-2002, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Natty
Forum member of the year - 1-NiKo 2-Feral 3-GB122
Forum newbie of the year - Isak
Forum topic of the year - Draycia - Goodbye (Most memorable for me)
Forum quote of the year - "Murta, you look less gay in that picture" - Brighty
Forum loser of the year - Max Payne
Sig of the year - SuicidalXWing - "Alright, alright. Let's just calm down and settle this over a nice cyanide pill eating contest, you go first"
Avatar of the year - Metallus - Max/Megaman
Forum member who should come back - NewFoundGloryBoy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Album of the year - The Starting Line - Say It Like You Mean It
Single of the year - Audio Karate - Nintendo 89
Most annoying single of the year - Las Ketchup - The Ketchup Song
Movie of the year - Spider-Man
TV show of the year - I'm Alan Partridge
Actor of the year - Ben Affleck
Actress of the year - Kirsten Dunst
Annoying celeb of the year - Michael Jackson
Jerk of the year - Saddam Hussain
Event of the year (good) - Steps splitting up
Event of the year (bad) - Anything between Israel/Palestine
Website of the year - http://www.punktastic.com

Joshi
11-28-2002, 01:51 PM
Forum member of the year - Niko
Forum newbie of the year - King Andrie
Forum topic of the year - Monkey Island Word Link (started in jan and still going strong eleven months later, closed on it's tenth page)
Forum quote of the year - I Like Cheese
Forum loser of the year - Max Payne
Sig of the year - Andrie's
Avatar of the year kjolens nintento charcters
Forum member who should come back - grannen (just left we already miss him)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Album of the year - (cant think of one, laundry service, shakira)
Single of the year - (Angel, shaggy)
Most annoying single of the year - las ketchup, the ketchup song
Movie of the year - SWII:AOTC
TV show of the year - The Simpsons
Actor of the year - Tobey Maguire
Actress of the year - Natalie Portman
Annoying celeb of the year - The Osbornes
Jerk of the year - Hussain
Event of the year (good) -
Event of the year (bad) - anything to do with Alqueida bombing (specially this morning)
Website of the year - MIFF (www.littlewyng.com/monkey/forums)

storken
11-28-2002, 07:46 PM
Forum member who should come back - NFGB

Jack
11-29-2002, 03:40 PM
Forum member of the year - Niko
Forum newbie of the year - Kj÷len, Jannar85
Forum topic of the year - Monkey Island Word Link (started in jan and still going strong eleven months later, closed on it's tenth page)
Forum quote of the year - *hits the wall*
Forum loser of the year - Max Payne
Sig of the year - Andries
Avatar of the year :id say obiwan smoking a pipe, cause evreybody already nominated k-jo:s
Forum member who should come back - Fender, Megamonkey
Favorite finn from forums(struggling hard to keep it FFFF:)):me
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Album of the year - Scars, soil
Single of the year - Soil, Halo
Most annoying single of the year - dont knoe
Movie of the year - LOTR2:TheTwoTowers
TV show of the year - a swedish one: snacka om nyheter
Actor of the year - no idea
Actress of the year - no idea
Annoying celeb of the year - no idea
Jerk of the year - Hussain
Event of the year (good) - CS 1.6 (Galil, Famas and a Riot shield!! w00t!im 1337! :p)
Event of the year (bad) - anything to do with Alqueida bombing (specially this morning)
Website of the year - www.counter-strike.net

Natty
11-30-2002, 05:01 AM
I'm about to start adding votes together to see what I have so far which I will then post, so if you haven't already voted (and I've given up on the fact that I said 3 nominations in order of preferance for each category- so far only like 2 people have done that, just means its harder to try and get a clearer picture)

Although any single votes I am not counting I'm only going to include multiple votes

Al-back from the BigWhoop
11-30-2002, 09:11 AM
u only got 2 emails? (that includes mine, right?)

give a lil more time, natty, lemme try to clear everything (correct me if im wrong)


ppl, for each category, follow the exemple:

[category]:
[nominee#1] - 3 points
[nominee#2] - 2 points
[nominee#3] - 1 point

pm or email it to natty asap, plz

thx for your cooperation

Natty
11-30-2002, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Al-back from the BigWhoop
u only got 2 emails? (that includes mine, right?)

give a lil more time, natty, lemme try to clear everything (correct me if im wrong)


ppl, for each category, follow the exemple:

[category]:
[nominee#1] - 3 points
[nominee#2] - 2 points
[nominee#3] - 1 point

pm or email it to natty asap, plz

thx for your cooperation

Yep, you and Deadmeat, everyone else has been posting thier nominations in this thread, which I don't really like coz then you know who is voting for who.

Deadmeat_X
11-30-2002, 10:40 AM
I'm a role model :D

Feral
11-30-2002, 10:51 AM
I voted, but I didn't put 3 in every category. Some categories that doesn't work for; there are only 2 newbies I'd put as newbie of the year and I wouldn't put even 1 idiot of the year unless I had to.

Natty
11-30-2002, 11:14 AM
Is it just me or does this not seem to be working?

Feral
11-30-2002, 11:34 AM
I don't understand why we don't just use the polls instead of messing about sending you e-mails and such like. I think if you changed some of the more obscure rules it'd work better.

Joshi
11-30-2002, 02:55 PM
no feral, the whole idea is that the ones with the most votes will be put into a public vote for us to vote for and then we shall decide the winners, gettit?

and natty, i'm PMimg you my nominations now with full three nominations per catergory.:D

Natty
12-02-2002, 03:41 AM
Well do you have a better idea then?

Feral
12-02-2002, 08:23 AM
Sorry, I didn't really understand how it was going to work until Neil cleared it up...
I'll jsut butt out of the topic now :D

Natty
12-03-2002, 12:07 AM
Oh ok I'm glad you get it now, see I could have just gone

"ok right guys heres the nominations VOTE" but I don't think that's fair as I'd probably be most likely biased and have the Ketchup Song as a nomination for single of the year or something (well I wouldn't really I despise the song but you get what I mean)

Joshi
12-03-2002, 04:06 PM
i think this was done very well. it's not how the BAFTA's or Academy awards would be done as they would get special judges who would analyze each and every movie and song properly for their (nor our) final verdict. but this is using the votes of the public (well, us, we are the public, this is a public forum and frankly we wouldn't get someone who didn't know us to do it) to get an overall winner. it's more fun this way.:D