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Bungalow
11-26-2002, 03:34 AM
Anyone know who Anakin's father is?
He'd have to be pretty strong with the force, and have a very high midichlorian count

Sarlacc Food
11-26-2002, 10:33 AM
well his mother says: there was NO father...
but how can this be? a tought? anyone?

PowerBroker
11-26-2002, 08:11 PM
A father, Anakin did not have. He was "concieved" by the midi-chlorians. That was already discussed in Episode One.

Ratmjedi
11-26-2002, 08:16 PM
It's like Mary. Her husband didn't do it with her. She just got pregnant buy a unknown force and had Jesus. You can say that the Midi-Chlorians got Shmi pregnant with Anakin.
:lsduel: :duel:

Jedi_Monk
11-26-2002, 08:48 PM
Uh... yeah... He was conceived through a vergance in the Force. A vergance, as far as I can tell, is a phenomenon where the Force asserts its Will on the physical world, interacting with it. Of course, this wouldn't necessarily be a Christ reference... Greek Mythology is peppered with deities impregnating women with their offspring... Hercules and Perseus to name a few.

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JediNyt
11-26-2002, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk
Uh... yeah... He was conceived through a vergance in the Force. A vergance, as far as I can tell, is a phenomenon where the Force asserts its Will on the physical world, interacting with it. Of course, this wouldn't necessarily be a Christ reference... Greek Mythology is peppered with deities impregnating women with their offspring... Hercules and Perseus to name a few.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg Exactly. I suggest that people pay more attention to SW.

Taos
11-27-2002, 12:23 AM
Heck I suggest that Jedi Monk teach a class in SW knowledge...


:D

leXX
11-27-2002, 10:59 AM
I agree, he should! :D

I like to call it 'The immaculate force conception!' ;)

Breton
11-27-2002, 06:56 PM
Only his mother claimed that he was conceived by midichlorians, but since we know that isn't possible, it must be a person that she would be ashamed to have done it with, but still one that is full of midichlorians. Hmmm.....

:yoda: :yoda: :syoda: :syoda: :yoda: :yoda: :D

Now we know why Yoda didn't want Anakin to be trained ;)

Jedi_Monk
11-27-2002, 07:54 PM
Only his mother claimed that he was conceived by midichlorians, but since we know that isn't possible, it must be a person that she would be ashamed to have done it with, but still one that is full of midichlorians. Hmmm.....
How do we know that isn't possible? Anakin is the Chosen One, the one who will bring balance to the Force... we know that from watching the OT. And one of the precepts of that prophesy, one of the conditions to look for in the Chosen One, was that he be conceived without a father. How do we know that? As soon as Qui-Gon said that it was possible that Anakin had been conceived by the midichlorians, Mace Windu knew exactly what he was suggesting, "You're referring to the prophesy of the one who will bring balance to the Force."

Anakin has no father, but the Will of the Force.

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Breton
11-27-2002, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk

How do we know that isn't possible? Anakin is the Chosen One, the one who will bring balance to the Force... we know that from watching the OT. And one of the precepts of that prophesy, one of the conditions to look for in the Chosen One, was that he be conceived without a father. How do we know that? As soon as Qui-Gon said that it was possible that Anakin had been conceived by the midichlorians, Mace Windu knew exactly what he was suggesting, "You're referring to the prophesy of the one who will bring balance to the Force."

Anakin has no father, but the Will of the Force.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Errrr....do you really think I meant that about Yoda being Anakins father?

Plo_Koon_27
11-28-2002, 01:33 AM
i agree with monk that the will of the force brought about anikin

:koon:

Ratmjedi
11-28-2002, 04:20 AM
I second that. Unless someone snuck into Shmi's Apartment and impregnated her without her knowing then I think that it is the only reasoable explanation for Anakin's coming about.
:duel: :lsduel:

Kain
11-28-2002, 10:40 PM
Dude, Anakin is the only test tube baby in the SW galaxy

ET Warrior
11-29-2002, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Ratmjedi
I second that. Unless someone snuck into Shmi's Apartment and impregnated her without her knowing then I think that it is the only reasoable explanation for Anakin's coming about.
:duel: :lsduel:

Well.....Sidious IS a very sneaky fellow.........:naughty: ;)

wassup
11-29-2002, 05:09 AM
Well.....Sidious IS a very sneaky fellow.........

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOO :eek: :drop2: :scare5: :tsk:

Sivy
11-29-2002, 09:35 AM
that's possible, being a sith lord be would be able to wipe her memory somehow

Kain
11-30-2002, 02:17 PM
Sidious wouldn't hafta be sneaky. He'd mind trick her into sleepin with him. And then, as stated before, wipe her memory clean. Or maybe it was some random dark Jedi. My friend said it was a black person cuz they never claim babies. Just to clarify, my friend is black so plz dun get me in trouble for it.

ET Warrior
11-30-2002, 02:45 PM
I was kidding about the sidious thing......i believe anakin to have been concieved by the midichlorians.

Jedi_Monk
12-02-2002, 11:59 PM
Sidious wouldn't hafta be sneaky. He'd mind trick her into sleepin with him. And then, as stated before, wipe her memory clean.
The Son of Skywalker (http://swunlimited.net/jwg/short/son.php) :naughty:

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Bungalow
12-03-2002, 04:15 AM
WOW
how'd you find this?

lukeiamyourdad
12-03-2002, 08:23 PM
This is EU right?

Purple_Tentacle
12-03-2002, 09:44 PM
This is EU right?

lol

JediNyt
12-03-2002, 11:59 PM
Uh duh? :p It fan fic. Nice writing though.

Jedi_Monk
12-04-2002, 01:01 AM
WOW
how'd you find this?
I wrote it in... 2000, I believe. Back then, I was entertaining the theory of Palpatine being Anakin's father (obviously), and my mom gave me an idea by saying how she thought that Shmi carried herself with too much regality to have always been a slave. So those two things were the seeds of this idea. I've since changed my mind on this topic, but I still think it's a good story, and it seemed to fit this thread, so I decided to do a little bit of product placement ;)

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lukeiamyourdad
12-04-2002, 06:48 PM
Damn you sure would be a hell of a good writer man!

Mex
12-30-2002, 06:21 AM
Anakins mom and The Emporer?

Can you imagine the wrinkley old man in bed with her?
And his wrinkley you-know-what.

Eww.......... I dont want to think about that! :barf:

Loki GM
12-30-2002, 10:45 AM
I say that she got knocked up one night when she was drunk and didnt remember it.

Carbon_sleeper
01-11-2003, 09:46 PM
I say it was all a well conceived plot. Shmii studied up on Jedi Lore, then saw a jedi in a cantina, slipped him a drug w/out his knowledge, got knocked up, then waited. When Qui Gon arrived she told him that crap about no father, Knowing he'd take anakin and free him. Once her plan to free ani had been accomplished, she started a new plan to free herself by playing some idiot moisture farmer or something.... then she met Mr. Larrs, and plan B began.

p.s. I don't really think that.

BCanr2d2
01-11-2003, 10:07 PM
Who said that Shmi knew that the midichlorians conceived her child, she has no such knowledge....

Personally, all that she admits, is that there is no father, but that has many meanings, especially with her not wanting to keep eye contact with QGJ when he asks her the question. It seems to me that she refers to no father, as there was no man around to help in his upbringing....
I think it is more that the father of Anakin isn't someone Shmi is pleased to have spent time with, and he left as soon as he found out she was with child. That whole scene seems to just leave questions open, why is she ashamed to talk about his father, who is his father?

Immaculate Conception - Doubtful......

lukeiamyourdad
01-11-2003, 10:28 PM
Come on! GL only made anakin conceived by the midichlorians so there won't be any prequel of the prequel!

Tie Guy
01-11-2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Come on! GL only made anakin conceived by the midichlorians so there won't be any prequel of the prequel!

What he call them, anyways? Eps 0, -1, and -2? ;)

He couldn't make more prequels even if Anikan did have a father. But he didn't, because Anikan did bring balance to the Force, he left 2 Sith and 2 Jedi, that's balance.

Shmi would be ashamed for the same reason Mary would be ashamed. She's not married and she has a child. What's she gonna tell people, "Oh, yeah, the Force conceived me"? Everyone would think she was some kind of insane whore.

LiMP RABBiT
01-12-2003, 06:49 AM
And "Ani" is meant to be some sort of chosen one who is concieved of the force. Therefore, shmi could just carry some ancient jedi volume with her and when some one asked her about "ani" she could just read them the prophesy, maybe.

Bob Gnarly
01-12-2003, 12:49 PM
maybe it was asexual reproduction....

boinga1
01-12-2003, 01:31 PM
it might be explained in ep3... :emperor:

Bob Gnarly
01-12-2003, 01:36 PM
i doubt it, GL might leave it for a book or a tv movie or something

ZBomber
01-12-2003, 09:43 PM
WOW. nice story,. Except, you should ahve talked more about how she made ANi. :naghty: :p

Darth_Rive
01-31-2003, 12:15 AM
I remember this one website that I found ages ago now, but I can't remember its address. It basically did spoofs of bits from Episode I, and one of the bits they did was compare Shmi Skywalker and Anakin's birth to Eric Cartman's mum in South Park... :D

They had a seies o images that went on about her sleeping with the entire Mos Espa football team, then Watto, then Jabba.... :barf: LMAO!

vegietto
02-02-2003, 08:00 AM
ani did not have a father he was so strong in the force because he just was

covenant_bad
02-02-2003, 11:12 AM
Well if it was the will of the force to create Ani, would that not mean the force is naturally good. Then if this is so why does it allows dark jedi to wield it, and furthermore why can it not fortell Darth Vadar.....?






Food for thought

Jedi_Monk
02-02-2003, 03:30 PM
Well if it was the will of the force to create Ani, would that not mean the force is naturally good. Then if this is so why does it allows dark jedi to wield it, and furthermore why can it not fortell Darth Vadar.....?
Food for thought
Who said the Force is naturally good? The Force may be like rain and water, vital to life, helpful, but it can also reap great destruction by flood, torrential rain or drout. The Force is concerned with balance at this time, and only his Apprentice knew who Sidious was and could get close enough to him. But in the end, Anakin redeamed himself, brought balance and had a son and daughter, one to bring about the rebirth of the Jedi Order and the other the rebirth of the Republic.

Darth_Rive
02-03-2003, 03:44 AM
Jedi_Monk, I often wondered if Anakin's "bringing balance to the Force" referred to the fact that he would turn to the Dark Side and therefore provide an apprentice to the Master that was Sidious, countering the Jedi Council's overwhelming numbers and Light-Side Force usage. After all, Yoda said during Anakin's assessment in front of the Jedi Council, "Hmm, clouded the boy's future is." Did Sidious know of the boy, and, realising his potential, cast his "veil of darkness" over him right fro the very start? Surely as high a midichlorian concentration in one indiidual would cause some kind of ripple in the Force that people like Sidious and Yoda could have picked up?

What do you think?

Jedi_Monk
02-03-2003, 05:30 PM
I think George Lucas said that people using the Dark Side throws the Force off-balance, therefore retoring balance means destroying the Dark Siders. Like I said, I think the Force is like nature... sometimes it's gentle, sometimes it's destructive... but the Dark Side is a pollutant, an unnatural thing.

Darth_Rive
02-04-2003, 05:18 AM
I asked because I personally think that the Force is governed , like so many other forces in the universe, by the law of balancing - similar to one of Sir Isaac Newton's laws of physics: "For every action there is an equal, but opposite, reaction". I see the Dark Side as a natural thing, and therefore possibly a natural route that can be chosen, though discouraged, by a force-user, hence the idea that Anakin was being drawn along that path to balance out the Darkness against the Light. I can't see how so many people using the Force for good purposes can be balancing it out, unless the Force is naturally chaotic and has no steady level of good or bad. It would certainly account for events such as runs of good and bad luck, for example, at the lower end of the fluctuation intensities.

But what does intruige me from a canonical point of view rather than an EU speculatory one is the theory that Palpatine could have done all those things, cloaked Anakin's future, had a hand in his "destruction" as such, influenced him greatly during the time they spent together as we saw in Episode II. I wonder if this is the case or not?

:mauls:

Clemme w/Stick
02-04-2003, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by PowerBroker
A father, Anakin did not have. He was "concieved" by the midi-chlorians. That was already discussed in Episode One.

Yes to PowerBroker we should listen! Cuz right he is :D!

-Clemme

Jedi_Monk
02-04-2003, 11:42 AM
The Force seeks to purge itself of the Dark Side, but for some reason, it seemingly cannot do that except through the Jedi. I believe that Dark Jedi twist the Force by the power of their own emotions, that they "twist it and mutilate it", they ignore the Force's will for them and instead impose their will on the Force, therefore the Force cannot touch them because they have some power over it. Only the Force's intermediaries, the Jedi, can kill a Sith Lord on the physical plane of existance and enable the Force to go back into balance. The Dark Side is a pollutant, and just like global warming can effect the weather and create new weather patterns (even weather patterns that may never have been seen before on this Earth), the Dark Side can effect the flow of the Force if it becomes too powerful, and that is certainly not something the Force wants.

However, as I said, the Force does have a plan and a will of its own. It is not just a Force of nature, but it is infused with the collective consciousness of every Jedi Master who has become one with it, and has all of their wisdom and foresight... the Force is beyond the physical realm and there it has an advantage over the Dark Side. Sith Lords may be able to use the Force to see into the future, but the future is always in motion. In fact, as we see the final vergeance in the Star Wars Saga, I believe that the Force is trying to free itself from the Dark Side's influence. The Emperor's foresight is abandoning him--the Force has hidden Luke's arrival on Endor from him, and this ultimately will lead to his destruction. The Force foresaw the rise of the Dark Side, and set its pieces. Vader to play the traitor and get close to the Sith Master, Luke to bring out the humanity in his father, Ben and Yoda to give Luke guidance. The Force laid its pieces before the Dark Side became too powerful, and then let things proceed, interracting every now and then when it became vitally necessary (hiding Luke from the Emperor), but for the most part letting its avatars do the work.

Darth_Rive
02-05-2003, 01:03 AM
Whilst I like that idea, this is where out opinions divide. I don't see the Force itself is a sentient being as such. "It is an energy field created by all living things. It surrrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.," Obi-Wan said in ANH.

I see the Force as more an energy field, like electricity of magnetism, that can be made to do whatever you want it to, as long as you have sufficient knowledge and equipment. If the Force was, as you imply, sentient and good by default, then wouldn't that make it colossally difficult for the Dark-Side wielders to us the Force at all? It'd be like trying to get current to flow from positive to negative - it just won't do it, its natural course is the complete opposite.

I can see what you mean, but I don't personally believe that's how GL had meant or it to be interpreted, IMO.

Jedi_Monk
02-05-2003, 02:45 PM
Whilst I like that idea, this is where out opinions divide. I don't see the Force itself is a sentient being as such. "It is an energy field created by all living things. It surrrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.," Obi-Wan said in ANH.
Qui-Gon also speaks of the Will of the Force; "The midichlorians are constantly talking to us, telling us the will of the Force," "I believe that finding this boy was the will of the Force..." So the Force has a will of its own, and that indicates sentience.

ronbrothers
03-23-2003, 11:27 PM
I have a 26 year love of Star Wars. I've been there since the beginning. I trust all of George Lucas' ideas and vision of this saga except for the immaculate conception part.

I think it is now pretty much set in stone, but I'm hoping against hope that Palpatine will reveal a different origin to Anakin in Episode III. But I think we can be safe to say that Anakin's daddy is the Force.

dark jedi 8
03-23-2003, 11:32 PM
yeah, i hope GL clears it up in ep.III, but that would explain why anakin is so powerful. i guess.

SE_Vader_536
03-24-2003, 04:55 PM
WHat about windu... nobody wants to admit they did a black jedi in front of a white jedi...

boinga1
03-24-2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by SE_Vader_536
WHat about windu... nobody wants to admit they did a black jedi in front of a white jedi...

say what?

SE_Vader_536
03-25-2003, 12:00 PM
well at least from what i hear on these forums...

Darth_Rive
03-26-2003, 06:36 AM
Dude, what the hell are you talking about? o_O

SE_Vader_536
03-26-2003, 05:18 PM
I was saying what about windu... no white girl wants to admit they did a black man...

dark jedi 8
03-26-2003, 05:33 PM
wtf? :confused:

Darth_Rive
03-27-2003, 10:26 AM
Sounds like it's time to hit the chron again and think of something else to say, folks.... *_*

leXX
03-27-2003, 12:07 PM
Well he's certainly lost me! :confused:

SE_Vader_536
03-27-2003, 05:03 PM
oh i give up....

Purple_Tentacle
03-28-2003, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by SE_Vader_536
I was saying what about windu... no white girl wants to admit they did a black man...

i know heaps of interacial couples, so you're totally wrong there. BUT, no girl wants to admit they did Jabba the Hutt.

lukeiamyourdad
03-28-2003, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Purple_Tentacle
i know heaps of interacial couples, so you're totally wrong there. BUT, no girl wants to admit they did Jabba the Hutt.

*shudder*

SE_Vader_536
03-28-2003, 11:12 PM
i wasnt saying what i thought when i said that quote i was saying what i heard.

dark jedi 8
03-28-2003, 11:14 PM
which was???????