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Shadriss
12-10-2002, 12:36 AM
At last, I turn my attentions to the world of the SP level.

I haven't done much work as yet, but I do have a pretty basic storyline in place, and am develpoing it right now. This means learning to script and do cutscenes as well, but, hey, it should be worth it.

So, naturally, I plan to do this right, which will mean, eventually, getting a few people to do some voice acting for me. But, ,before that, a few basics.

This is PLANNED to be the first of 6 or 7 total maps. The overall title is, as noted in the thread name "Star Wars : Deception". The first chapter is tentatively titled "Dark Influence"

Characters :
John Doe : The Player Character. His name and origins are not known (although they will be revealed in the course of the storyline).
Fae Vicktus : A Dark Jedi, working for Lord Malice. Believes himself and his Master to be the rebirth of the Sith Order.
Lord Malice : Believes himself to be the heir to the Sith ideals, he has begun to build the secretive group back up to what it once was long before - before the Jedi Order reduced it to near oblivion - a large group of force-wielders who believe that "might makes right".
Meirin Dai'shan : A Jedi Knight of the New Order, Meirin has been assigned to locate and bring back John Doe... though that's not the name SHE knows him as...

Time Frame : For the moment, I'm setting it some number of years AFTER the Yuzhan Vong war, as only then would the Jedi Order have rebuilt itself to the point where my storyline is feasable. (And so that I dont get flamed by avid EU readers TOO badly.)

I'm not gonna reveal too much of the storyline, but at one point during the story, you WILL be a Dark Jedi yourself. Which means killing good guys. :D

I've done a few sections of the first map, mostly to lay out ideas for the corridor designs, and I'll get screenshots up as I get them. Anyone who wishes to assist me (particularly in the areas of scripting for cutscenes...) by all means, contact me via e-mail. This also includes the Voice Actors, though I wont be seriously looking at those until the map itself it layed out.

Wes Marrakesh
12-10-2002, 12:38 AM
You know I'll help :D

By the way, I still like my corridor textures better :p

t3rr0r
12-10-2002, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by Shadriss
For the moment, I'm setting it some number of years AFTER the Yuzhan Vong war, as only then would the Jedi Order have rebuilt itself to the point where my storyline is feasable.
but what if the vong actually win? :p
story line sounds interesting, btw. :)

Shadriss
12-10-2002, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by t3rr0r

but what if the vong actually win? :p
story line sounds interesting, btw. :)

Lets be realistic, shall we? Are we REALLY in any doubt as to who will eventually win? I mean, come ON. :)

lassev
12-10-2002, 11:54 AM
Yes, this sounds interesting. Good story is the true pillar of any adventure. Still, as a one who knows how much it takes to learn a lot while mapping, I, gingerly, suggest one thing: please make your maps, in the big picture, in such a form, that you can cut down the project, if it begins to seems it's just a little bit too big. I mean, even a packet of four large maps is an achievement.

During past months, we have all witnessed the rise and quick fall of some extraordinary projects started by gifted people, who just didn't after all have the time or spirit to finish what they commenced.

Don't get my intentions wrong, I'm as happy as anyone that we will get quality levels. Cheers and Good luck!

wedge2211
12-10-2002, 11:56 AM
:D

AKPiggott
12-10-2002, 02:51 PM
Intersting concept but a 6/7 part series sounds a bit optimistic.

Make it three, that's a good number for a level series.

12thMonkey
12-10-2002, 03:31 PM
We play a Dark Jedi. (I like already.)

I'm not into the EU so continuity outside the films doesn't matter to me. (I'm not especially bothered by there being minor contradictions in the films either.)

Sounds great.

Pnut_Man
12-10-2002, 08:51 PM
Hmm, a single player level with vong would kick major ass...

And we still don't exactly know what will happen at the end of NJO. I believe that the Vong will be spared and that they shall be accepted into the galaxy. *Thinks about Destiny's Way and all of the bs Jacen Solo talked about..*

boinga1
12-10-2002, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Pnut_Master
Hmm, a single player level with vong would kick major ass...

And we still don't exactly know what will happen at the end of NJO. I believe that the Vong will be spared and that they shall be accepted into the galaxy. *Thinks about Destiny's Way and all of the bs Jacen Solo talked about..*

I dunno...I think that most of the warriors will head back to their own galaxy with their tails between their legs, but that maybe the workers and such will stay here (they worship the Jedi, so why would they go).

Map idea sounds good (6 is a long series), but I can't say much till I see some screenies.

Pnut_Man
12-11-2002, 09:00 AM
Off topic: Shadriss are you still with the rpg group? It's very confusing..O_o

Shadriss
12-11-2002, 09:49 AM
Not at the moment, Pnut. I simply dont have enough time anymore. I'm in a Tech School right now, and while I may have more time over the break to play, once school starts back up in Jan, my hours go hella long. Think 7:30am to 5pm. Even once school is done, I'll be reassigned to a sea-going command, ,and then NOONE will know what my hours are... least of all me.

I have a couple screenies... not posted yet, but they will be. Of course, for the moment, they are just "sketches" and not the level itself. I'm still laying that out on paper. Only reason I posted the WIP so soon was because I told a couple people about it via MSN Messenger, and they said the best way to get the help and support I'll need is to go ahead and do it.

Speaking of help and support, I still haven't the foggiest of where to begin learning to script cutscenes. Any help guys?

EDIT : I think you guys made an assumption that there would be Vong in the level - Not gonna happen. Just so the record is straight.

Pnut_Man
12-11-2002, 06:35 PM
I never made an assumption about vong being in the level, i just said it would own :p

offtopic: Gotcha. Hope you find some time somewhere somehow to play a bit during christmas break..

wedge2211
12-12-2002, 07:30 PM
I'm interested in getting to SP maps after a couple more free-for-alls, too. Cutscene and scripting tutorials are really scarce, though. I think somebody started a cutscene tutorial, but I've forgotten who, it had stuff about basic camera controls, which apparently is all you need to know...beyond the rest of scripting! If anybody knows of any good scripting tutorials out there, please send! It would help all of us. :)

Shadriss, I think the idea sounds VERY cool. I would love to have some SP maps that go as in depth as the Raven game did. THere are too many out there that just say, here is a bunch of connected rooms with such-and-such a theme, and they happen to be full of stormies, go blast 'em. Those wear out REAL quickly. The Mace Windu one looks to be good, and you seem to have a really well-thought out idea of where you want to go, which means that you can probably pull it off. From your storyline suggestions I'd say that this is a fairly sweeping epic...I dunno, I'd hold out for a 6-part mission. I would suggest, however, planning it so that 1-3 encapsulate the story fairly well and it COULD be ended there if need be, then you can release 4-6 as you make them and just expand the story (hmmm...seems like the movies...seriously, A New Hope can be watched as a single movie, or you can include it in the Classic Trilogy, either way works). It would probably also be good to releases the levels as they come out...people can just get their hands on them one at a time, add to them as they go. to be continued...

[PS, sounds like you have to 'accelerate your life,' huh? :D]

Go for it!

Wes Marrakesh
12-12-2002, 08:57 PM
Yeah, release the maps as they come out, and segment the strory. Give us fodder! :xp:

Shadriss
12-13-2002, 12:17 AM
Actually, that's the plan. I never planned to do all six (or whatever) and release them as a whole - can you imagine the download times for slower modems? *shudder* Each will be able to sorta-kinda stand alone, but they will all be a part of the overall story line.

I'm still looking for someone who know scripting somewhat, though I do now have two differnt tuts on it (one by Kengo, and the other for ST : Elite Force) but I haven't really explored those in-depth yet.

In the news side of things - I have actually begun level construction. THe only area I have mapped out so far is a small section of hallway that will ber a part of the Secure Wing of a small hospital Facility.

Also, for those who haven't seen it, I've put up a big project overview on my Showcase site (http://shadriss.moonfruit.com) that has the overall idea, a brief on the main characters as they stand at this moment, and the intended scolling script for Chapter One : Dark Influence.

I have come to a conclusion though : I AM going to need a few new models. For my story to work, I'll need the following (If I can get them, ,anyways... :( ) :

A model for the Main Character. He's male, about 35-40, and he's had a real bad week. I dont have any images in my head for this guy, so anything would be good, really.

A "Sith Master" type model. I could use the Palpatine one, if I need to, , but I'm not sure how well it will work out yet, let alone if I can even get permission for it.

A "Dark Jedi" type. Lots of those out there, just need to pick one out, I guess.

A "New Republic Trooper" model. This will be the cannon-fodder type for this series. Obviously, Stormtroopers just wont work.

Finally, a series of three (two at the minimum) Jedi models. Obviously, I cant yet say wht these are for...

Any modeler out there who wishes to assist with these will be appreciated much in the same fashion as God is. If anyone knows of models tht are already out there that may suffice for these roles, feel free to post them here - it would save a LOT of work on someone's part.

Think that's about it for now... unless someone thinks they can do the texture work, much as WhiteShdw did for me with DoTF? He's got other projects (AOTCTC) and while I can probobly get by on what Raven has provided, I'd rather come up with at least a FEW new ones.

TTFN.

Kengo
12-15-2002, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by wedge2211
I think somebody started a cutscene tutorial, but I've forgotten who, it had stuff about basic camera controls, which apparently is all you need to know...beyond the rest of scripting! If anybody knows of any good scripting tutorials out there, please send! It would help all of us. :)


That would be me, http://www.geocities.com/kengomaps/tutorials.html :)

I'm gonna add some more complex stuff in the next few weeks as soon as I finish my next map.

The project sounds great, I love MP maps but for me you can't beat playing SP :D Releasing each map seperately sounds very wise, and gthe combination of customs models, textures, voice acting, cutscenes and a strong plot could make this a classic series, good luck!

BTW, I got a couple of good voice actors who worked on the SP map I've almost finished at the moment, if you are looking for voice actors later on in the mapping process then maybe I could pass on their contact details to ya, maybe we should wait to see how the map turns out and how they do first tho :)

Shadriss
12-17-2002, 11:01 PM
Thanks, Kengo. But both the cenimatics and the voice acting are a bit of distancec in the future. Heck, I'm still trying to piece the map together. I'm trtying to be a bit more intricate than I was with my MP levels... so it's taking time.

What I'd REALLY love is to get a kind of staff together - I have a good storyline, but not the know how to put all the aspects together. For anyone who's interested, what I REALLY could use is a good mapper to work with. It's nicec to work by one's self, I guess, but two heads, for this thing, are better than one. Anyone else can help as well... just not sure when I'll get to the rest of it as yet.
:)

Shadriss
12-31-2002, 07:24 PM
Finally, a progress report.

I've finally established what the objectives (game-lplay wise) will be, and that kind of determined the layout, in general terms, of the map. Thus, I have done some actual mapping work now, and even have the screenshots to prove it. They can be viewed at http://shadriss.moonfruit.com

It'll be listed under, naturally, "SW - Deception"

Only seven shots, but as yet, I only have the secure wing of the hospital area mapped out. Most of the lighting it put in, though some of it will undergo a few changes, I'm sure.

Criticism, though ugly, is welcome. Hech, I want to make a quality product here, ,after all.

Again, anyone who wishes to assist, let me know.

wedge2211
01-01-2003, 09:44 AM
Waaaa, tiny pictures...

(I'm spoiled by home broadband and college T3 :D)

Looks very nice. Good job on the colored lighting! I especially like the blue corridor.

Shadriss
01-01-2003, 09:52 AM
Wedge - click on the pics. They'll be bigger. Not MUCH bigger, but it's the best I can do.

I finished up the hospital wing this morning, and am moving on to the hospital foyer. It wont be too big or elaborate, so I don't imagine it will take too long, and then it's on to the military base itself. THAT will take some time.

:)

Yun the Sith
01-03-2003, 08:19 PM
Interesting concept. I for one, am just starting mapping, and I'm working on a SP level. Right now I'm concetrating on getting arctexture to look real good rather than scripting and shader skills, I know better than to work on more than one thing at once.:)

Shadriss
01-05-2003, 02:44 PM
Good move, Yun. Fortunately, architecture isn't that gret a problem for me anymore. All I'm doing right now is working the level itself. The scripting and such will come later, once I know what the background will be. For the cinematics, I mean. :)

Shadriss
01-08-2003, 10:57 PM
*sigh* As I had feared, my mapping hours have been adversely impacted by my work hours. Work on this map has NOT cesed, but the amount of progress has slowed considerably, as I only have one or two hours a day to work on it.

It also means it's next to impossible for me to get in contact with Kal_El (Aka WhiteShdw) for his help and support, which he once again is providing me, much as he did for DOTF2. SO welcome aboard the project to him... though even HE only knows the general outline of the story. :)

Eldritch
01-09-2003, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Shadriss
For anyone who's interested, what I REALLY could use is a good mapper to work with. It's nicec to work by one's self, I guess, but two heads, for this thing, are better than one.

I'm not sure how much time I would be able to devote to your project, Shadriss - what with Hogwarts and college and work taking up most of my time already. That having been said, i'm officially laying down my offer for help (if you want it). I don't know if you'd consider me a good mapper or not (I haven't seen your criteria ;)) but the offer is there.

Shadriss
01-09-2003, 06:02 PM
From Page 1173 of the Shadriss Dictionary :

Good Mapper - adj - A mapper who is able to make things in a JK2 enviroment look like something other than a design based entirely of of lego contructions. A Mapper who is able to use curves to good effect. A Mapper who understands that lighting is an EFFECT not a necissity.

I think that about lays it out. :)

I'll get with you shortly on what I can use help with, Aru... I'll ALWAYS be willing to take help.

Eldritch
01-09-2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Shadriss
From Page 1173 of the Shadriss Dictionary :

Good Mapper - adj - A mapper who is able to make things in a JK2 enviroment look like something other than a design based entirely of of lego contructions. A Mapper who is able to use curves to good effect. A Mapper who understands that lighting is an EFFECT not a necissity.

I think that about lays it out. :)

I'll get with you shortly on what I can use help with, Aru... I'll ALWAYS be willing to take help.

Alrighty then, Shadriss. Whenever you need me, just give me a shout. I'll be in whichever circle of hell it is that they keep the patch meshes.

Shadriss
01-09-2003, 09:35 PM
I think it's the third level - right there next to dynamic lighting. :)

Wes Marrakesh
01-10-2003, 12:40 AM
I'm here as always and helping you would be rather easy, homework allowing (usually does)

Shadriss
01-12-2003, 12:23 AM
OK, Aru - I have a job for you... all I really need from you right now is a GENERAL layout for a power generation center. Nothing too big or fancy, but a fair sized power generation center. Dont worry too much about frills and eye-candy - I always redo work so it fits the scale of the base map anyway.

Wes - for you, I have a Main Security center. Which, for the most part, should consist of two items - the security hub room itself, and an armoury.

Keep in mind, both of you, that these both take place in a NEW REPUBLIC facility, and the texturing you impliment should reflect that. No real time constraint right now, as I have a number of other rooms to be working on while you two get me those general layouts.

Thanks AGAIN, and if you two have questions, feel free to contact me.

Eldritch
01-12-2003, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by Shadriss
OK, Aru - I have a job for you... all I really need from you right now is a GENERAL layout for a power generation center. Nothing too big or fancy, but a fair sized power generation center. Dont worry too much about frills and eye-candy - I always redo work so it fits the scale of the base map anyway.

Keep in mind, both of you, that these both take place in a NEW REPUBLIC facility, and the texturing you impliment should reflect that. No real time constraint right now, as I have a number of other rooms to be working on while you two get me those general layouts.

Thanks AGAIN, and if you two have questions, feel free to contact me.

Kinda vague, Shad, don't you think? Should it be a round room? Square? Rectangular? Is it an industrial type setting, or something more commerical? About how big should it be? And imagine, for one moment, that I know NOTHING about the New Republic (I don't know anything about it... never read the books or even thought on it), so give me an idea of the feel you're going for. I work a lot better when I've got specifics, so load me up on the details.

Shadriss
01-12-2003, 10:25 AM
The New Republic is what the Rebellion became following the end of the civil war. So, if you want it in those terms, a Rebel Base. :)

So far as shape is concerned, I left it vague mostly to keep from fettering your creativity, but if you want specifics...

A) The Power Generator itself. It should be in it's own room, with no access to it. It's meant to be viewed from a window, not actually played around.

B) Control Center. This should be fairly large, and have several different control stations. Piping and control wire runs should be visable on cieling and walls. At least one large window should overlook the generator itself.

C) A Machinery Room. This is where, if it were real, the heat energy from the Generator would be made into actual electricity. Again, control and piping runs, along with a few larger machine-type items.

Anyother rooms or additions you can think of will also be fine. For decorative purposes, it's somewhere in-between industrial and a stream-lined military facilitry, if you understand what I mean.

For size, well, a generator for a base is generally going to be fairly large, but as this is a smallish base, you could probobly get away with a medium sized one. Just fit it all together as it looks best to you... as I said the first time, I'll be remapping it to fit my scale anyways.

Hope that gives you a better feel... As always, if you have more questions, let me know.

Eldritch
01-13-2003, 08:52 PM
Sounds good to me. I'll start sketching out some ideas on paper before I commit anything to Radiant.

Oh, one last thing... do you want me to light it? Or will you do that yourself? I don't know what type of lighting scheme you've got planned. I'd prefer to use ambient light just so that I can see it when I test it, and leave the specific lighting up to you.

Shadriss
01-13-2003, 08:58 PM
SOunds good to me - my lighting style tends toward a low level ambient with spotlight and individual entity highlighting. :)

Shadriss
01-15-2003, 11:23 PM
OK, finished the hospital foyer, and have moved on to the hallway network of the base itself, and have begun laying out the two hangers. The first is a small "Ready" Hanger, containing 4 X-wings. The larger one will have the other 8 of the squadron.

Screenshots of the new rooms will be up just as soon as I figure out a func_rotating problem (ie - it dont work... commonlyknown in the Navy as BDDNWW syndrome)

Note : What does BDDNWW mean? :dev6: Broke Dickie-dickie No workie-workie!

Shadriss
01-18-2003, 11:21 PM
ONly a small update from here - I've got the smaller "Ready" hanger mapped out and ready for texturing, including a new bit of work that I intend to release via PCGamemods as a prefab. What could it possibly be, you ask? I'm glad you DID.

It's a missile storage rack for Cuncussion missiles. Wow. Something you'd expect to actually FIND in a hanger! I sent it off to Wes Kesh a few days ago, and he's already clamouring to use it... presumably in his Tintagel level. :)

Anyhow, that's all for now, as that func_rotate STILL dont work. ARRRRRRRGH!

Wes Marrakesh
01-19-2003, 12:52 PM
*nods and begins clamoring*

Is it up yet? Is it up yet? ;)

Wudan
01-19-2003, 01:30 PM
Describe this func_rotating problem?

Shadriss
01-19-2003, 02:43 PM
Quite simple, Wudan. It dont work.

What I am making, basically, is a rotating sign. It's a square block that is supposed to rotate around the z-axis. I placed a small brush (textured with the origin shader) in the center of the brush, selected both brushes and turned them into a func_rotate. Result : No workie workie.

Shadriss
01-20-2003, 08:09 PM
SUffered a MAJOR mapping casualty today... still not sure what happened. One moment, I'm making a wonderful little curved fuel line, then radient crashes. I reload, and ALL my work (minus a small portion of the hanger and the fuel lines) is GONE. THere is a backup, but I dont have it, so we're on hold here until I can get it back.

The Truthful Liar
01-20-2003, 08:32 PM
I don't see anything being 'showcased'. :|

Closed until furthur notice. PM me.