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Young David
12-31-2002, 03:21 AM
So there is a credit system now ... I'm not really thrilled by that. Leme explain.

First, such a system requires a beter moderation. Creditcrawling (the word I invented for it) should be discouriged. But that's not really a big deal. The big deal is the shop. Let's review the items:

Donate credits to another user
Okay, not really an item, but it's at the top, right :D This is actually a good thing, if you have credits you should have this.

Trade Credits For The Sticky Feature
Evil! We have moderators for that. What we're gonna have is heavyposter with a thread like 'Look how cool I am' making sticky (Wich a moderator should make unsticky btw without giving the credits back). When one wants a sticky one should ask the mods. That's what they are for.

Change Custom Title
I assume that the 1000+ members keep this feature as it was, otherwise it's evil.

Give another user a custom title
Evil! Again, we have mods for that. I don't want somebody else having the power to change my title into 'Look I'm an idiot'

Add Glow To Username
This one is okay. It doesn't involve the regular posting things, just a bit of eye candy.

Moderator For A Day
For just a bit more credits than 'Give another user a custom title' and 'Trade Credits For The Sticky Feature' combined you can do all the evil things. Moderators are supposed to be selected because they can be trusted with that task, not because they have the money. (This are not politics)

Change Username
Good thing / bad thing. Good thing because some newbies seem to make it a trend to change their name every week. Bad thing because it makes name change easier for heavyposters. Username is the one thing that users can be indetified by. Avatars/titles/signatures can all be changed already. This way it's harder to recognize people.

Add Calendar Event
If you want the calander filled with useles things, go ahead. 'My dog Odo was born this day', 'The day I get my new computer', 'Look guys, it's april 31st' ... Undecided about this one.

Trade Credits For An Italic Username
Eye candy ... it's okay.

Trade Credits For A Midi Song For Your Profile
Just a bad investment. Midi's are anoying. But it doesn't disturb normal posting ... it's okay.


I did not mention the prizes. Because after a while every heavyposter will be able to afford it all and the credits will stack up without being used anymore ... that's the time when people are gonna make sticky's and things.

My say.

Wraith 8
12-31-2002, 04:41 AM
where did you find this info? cause i have been wondering about the points at the side.

Mex
12-31-2002, 04:47 AM
I think that this credit system is a good idea, and by the way, people wouldnt do useless rubbish things on the calender because it would just waste their credits.

Same with giving another person another title.

And the mod-for-a-day option needs to be taken out! That one is eeeevil...... *Stares at mod-for-a-day option*

obi
12-31-2002, 04:54 AM
I'm not really thrilled about the system myself. I just looked at the "store" and sort of laughed.........

Mex
12-31-2002, 04:57 AM
Heh I can imagine some stories about this.


"I was wanderin around at Lucasforums when suddenly, a robber came out and said, "GIMME ALL YER CREDITZ NOW!!!!!"


:D

Aristotle
12-31-2002, 05:08 AM
1) For starters, this is simply a test run to see if our readers enjoy the system. Never hurts to attempt to introduce a little extra fun into things.

2) If you don't like the system, don't pay attention to it. The rewards are quite modest and seeing someone earn a glowing name or italic name, or being allowed to stick their own subject for a bit shouldn't bother people one way or the other. So bottom line... if you don't like it, don't pay attention to it. It's minor enough so that it shouldn't be an issue. The only reward we're likely going to modify is the "change another user's title" ... because I don't want those people who don't really pay attention to it forced to pay attention to it by having their names changed, etc.

3) Lastly.... lighten up and have fun folks.. that's why we're here.

We'll keep people updated on how the test run is going.

Wacky_Baccy
12-31-2002, 05:28 AM
It sounds like a very interesting, and potentially very good idea... I agree with YD for the most part, and I think that it will definitely need to be regulated somehow - otherwise we'll have half the threads in the Swamp stickied, and you can't imagine how annoying that could get =/

Overall, though, I do like the idea - especially the "mod for a day" thing, which is priced sensibly, but which might also let Tyrion run riot on the boards, which does give me slight cause for concern... :D ;)

Wraith 8
12-31-2002, 05:32 AM
well that is what im afraid of....
when spammers reach the 3000 required for mod for a day... and mess up the forums... and the other mods, super mods and admins have to clean up the mess he made.

Wacky_Baccy
12-31-2002, 05:36 AM
Well, you need to have rules of use - and penalties for breaking those rules... Improper use of the mod-for-a-day (or any other item) should lead to a reduction in points, or a suspension of incrementation of points, if that's technically possible... And in severe cases, say if someone deleted/edited valid threads, or did something equivalently bad with another option, then the threat of a ban ought to discourage that...

Just some thoughts :)

Aristotle
12-31-2002, 05:37 AM
It's got a built in spam guard as well I should add... for example most points stem from people actually "viewing" and "replying" to interesting threads.. and those who posted the interesting thread that receives the attention benefits the most rather than just "posting" a thread.

If you get your post deleted for spam, your points get crushed.

Again, it's going to take some major tuning.. but that's what the feedback is for.

Young David
12-31-2002, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by Aristotle

2) If you don't like the system, don't pay attention to it. The rewards are quite modest and seeing someone earn a glowing name or italic name, or being allowed to stick their own subject for a bit shouldn't bother people one way or the other.

The glowing or italic name are the 2 things that are totaly okay with me, I said that.

Some other things are bad. Sticky's mess up a forum layout. What if 20 members decide to make a sticky in one of the off-topics? That's not how it's supposed to be, that's not the concept of sticky's. Moderator for a day is bad too, you don't give a kid a gun, you don't give a spammer moderation powers. And change another one's title is, as you kind of agreed, is evil too.

Those 3 are the worst and ruin the whole credit thing. If they were taking out I'd sound a lot more positive, because there can be done fun things with credits, but not that way.

Mex
12-31-2002, 05:42 AM
I think some prices should be lowered, like italic writing, 500 just to make it get slanted like this?


What is a rip-off basiccly!
And could you post some examples of the glow of a name?

Theres no point of buying it and it looks rubbish!

Aristotle
12-31-2002, 05:42 AM
YD .. I totally agree. We need to change the default prizes... and we'll modify them this week with the help of the input from everyone. It can work if it's modified.. I'm pretty confident of that.

Tie Guy
12-31-2002, 07:07 AM
Lighten up a bit YD, the change another's user title could be fun. Besides, if your over a thousand you can change it right back anyways, right?.

I do see how the mod for a day thing could possibly get out of hand. Maybe you should just make it a lot more expensive. Still, i have no idea how long it takes to earn credits so i can't say just yet. Another idea would be to not let them delete posts at all, just modify them. Of course, most would probably add little annoying messages at the bottom of everyone's post or make them look like an idiot, bet hey, if that's their perogative.....


One question, though. How long do the things like glow and italics last, forever? Oh, and are there any options with the glow, like colors?

Wacky_Baccy
12-31-2002, 07:24 AM
Posted by Tie Guy
One question, though. How long do the things like glow and italics last, forever?I hope so... :D
Oh, and are there any options with the glow, like colors? From the Store (http://www.lucasforums.com/store.php?s=&action=main)

Add Glow To Username

With this action you can add an attractive glowing color to your username wich you can define yourself. If you have already a glow then you can change it here aswell.
:D

C'jais
12-31-2002, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by Tie Guy
Lighten up a bit YD, the change another's user title could be fun.

Indeed it could, but for the sake of niceness, I say there should be some sort of time limit on that title, before it returns to what the owner previously specified it to be (or the presets).

Of course, most would probably add little annoying messages at the bottom of everyone's post or make them look like an idiot

If they did that, they'd be head-hunted by every user, mod and administrator with flaming and banning. I wouldn't risk my user-profile for one day's worth of chaos in the forums. Ever. Besides, to do it, you'd have to make a lot of quality posts first (spamming your way to credits would only result in bankrupcy), so the user would probably feel the subsequent banning as hurting just a little bit.

One question, though. How long do the things like glow and italics last, forever? Oh, and are there any options with the glow, like colors?

It says in the shop that you can specify what color the glow should be, and I think they're forever, until you or mod decides to take 'em off.

[editage] Damn you wacky! :D

Tie Guy
12-31-2002, 07:28 AM
Ok, so by "which you can define yourself" is talking about the glow. Because in the current syntax it appears to be talking of the username. A relative clause always follows directly the antecedent to which it is referring. The proper syntax would have been "With this action you can add an attractive glowing color, which you can define yourself, to your username . If you have already a glow then you can change it here aswell." See the difference? ;)


If you could just be a little more specific, please. Like, can it be anywhere between 000000 and FFFFFF?

C'jais
12-31-2002, 07:45 AM
Tie, let me put it this way: If you couldn't choose the color yourself, why not state which color it was going to be?

Havoc's Spirit
12-31-2002, 08:02 AM
Somehow, in the implimentation of this new point system, my account was made unavailiable to me. And this serves to only aggravate me. So at this moment, just because I'm mad, I say, "down with the point system!" :D

Of course if you fix my account, I think I could be persuaded to view this point system as a positive move for the forums. ;)

Here's my delimma:

My account was working fine yesterday. However, when I went to login this morning, I was greeted by a blank page... repeatedly. No explination at all. I tried to force logins by hitting reply buttons, edit buttons, View CP, and the regular login method. All had the same effect... a blank page. After the blank page, I was hoping that the cookie was still loaded but unfortunately, it was not. I deleted all my temp files, history and cookies and rebooted my comp. No change.

Even now with this account, I am greeted by a blank page when I attempt to edit my profile or forum options. So the problem seems to be on your end. Please help, Admins!

My original account, for those who are unawares, was Havoc Stryphe.

Thanks

Tie Guy
12-31-2002, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by Cjais
Tie, let me put it this way: If you couldn't choose the color yourself, why not state which color it was going to be?

It might have been that you had to choose from a perset list of colors (ie. Blue, red, green, or yellow). I'm just wondering what kinda options we got with this thing.

C'jais
12-31-2002, 08:34 AM
Havoc: I can't access my profile or options either :(
But at least I can log in...

Tie: Yeah, it's probably going to be some presets - but a little choice is better than no choice at all, no?

Havoc Stryphe
12-31-2002, 09:02 AM
Okay, looks like by creating that new account, it fixed my previous problem. Either that or the forums just fixed themselves. Either way, My account is fixed.

So Admins, just ignore my request. Now you can delete the Havoc's Spirit account, thanks. :D

Oh, and by the way, now that my account is fixed, let me say that the point system is a wonderful idea. I was for it from the beginning! :p

matt--
12-31-2002, 09:56 AM
Use the 'rate' button on posts you think are spam, which should cut down on it.

Each time you disapprove and submit, the poster goes down a point.

Mex
12-31-2002, 10:04 AM
Erm matt, I accidently done that to about 5 people...

I think that we need like some instructions of the new stuff..

Like an example, for the glowing names and the italic things, we need a example like something next to it showing what it looks like.

Feral
12-31-2002, 10:12 AM
I think it's pretty lame that someoen in EscapeMI's "Clues & Hints" forum, who had made 3 posts, has 50% more points than I.
The "mod for a day" feature is one that I heavily disapprove of. What if someone like "Al - Back from the big whoop" or "AcrylicGuitar" start using it? Especially since I'm currently embroiled in a huge row in the Harbor about my moderating (oh, I could do with some back-up on that, by the way). But, we'll jsut have to see how it goes :)

C'jais
12-31-2002, 10:13 AM
I agree with Flanders. I thought the rate button was for giving points to people for quality postings, not spam :(

And ye, it'd be very nice to know what the things you "buy" look like....

Jed
12-31-2002, 12:48 PM
Man, I log on today, and what do I see?

"Become Moderator for a Day: $X"

WTF?!?!?!

I'm all for the things that are eye candy, like how YD said, but Moderator for a Day? We'll have spammers who get enough points and become...

...moderator....

*shudders*

I don't like that thought.

Wacky_Baccy
12-31-2002, 12:57 PM
Posted by Cjais
And ye, it'd be very nice to know what the things you "buy" look like.... *wicked idea*

God, I'm really evil...

Why don't we get some of our more prominent moderators to model the new options for us? :dev11:

I vote that we get Niner to model a pink version of the glowing username :dev11: :D :p :D

Acrylic
12-31-2002, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by The Feral Chicken
I think it's pretty lame that someoen in EscapeMI's "Clues & Hints" forum, who had made 3 posts, has 50% more points than I.
The "mod for a day" feature is one that I heavily disapprove of. What if someone like "Al - Back from the big whoop" or "AcrylicGuitar" start using it? Especially since I'm currently embroiled in a huge row in the Harbor about my moderating (oh, I could do with some back-up on that, by the way). But, we'll jsut have to see how it goes :)

Uhm...what would be so wrong if i did become mod for a day? its not like id do any damage.

Feral
12-31-2002, 01:55 PM
I'm not even going to justify that with a response. And yes, I am aware that this is, in fact, a response.

[The arguement following this post has been deleted. take it to pm --mattwindu]

ZBomber
12-31-2002, 08:39 PM
Oh boy, flame wars..... :rolleyes:

Lynk Former
12-31-2002, 09:52 PM
how about minus points if u are caught spamming/flaming/breakin the rulez n such :D :lol:
*runs away*

Jed
12-31-2002, 10:46 PM
I'd second Lynk's motion, but I don't know how that would even work...

*head hurts*

Mort-Hog
01-01-2003, 04:36 AM
You used to be able to get really high scores by using a different account to rate up your own posts lots. Dunno if you still can, I think the 'spam bot' catches it or something.

C'jais
01-01-2003, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by Mort-Hog
You used to be able to get really high scores by using a different account to rate up your own posts lots. Dunno if you still can, I think the 'spam bot' catches it or something.

Pointless,...

how about minus points if u are caught spamming/flaming/breakin the rulez n such

...because that account would be recognized a spammer, subsequently banned and your real account would afterwards be on the line.

If you spam, you die. Simple as that ;)

Wraith 8
01-01-2003, 11:08 AM
I still dont realy like it...

the old ways were much easier. :D if you wanted something... you asked for it :D.. but maybe im getting old :p

Mort-Hog
01-01-2003, 12:35 PM
It's not really pointless, as then you can get, say, 3000 points in about 30 minutes, and then become a mod. Of course, the only person that'd do that would have malicious intent to begin with, unless you're that desperate to have your name italic.

But anyway, I think that's been fixed. Those that did that have been banned from the store, from what I know.

Wraith 8
01-01-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Mort-Hog
It's not really pointless, as then you can get, say, 3000 points in about 30 minutes, and then become a mod. Of course, the only person that'd do that would have malicious intent to begin with, unless you're that desperate to have your name italic.

But anyway, I think that's been fixed. Those that did that have been banned from the store, from what I know. are you saying that someone already had 3000 points? thats quick

it took me 1 day to get 100 :p
but i just got a 100 donated by Flanders to get a glow around my name :p hehehe

Riffage
01-01-2003, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Mort-Hog
But anyway, I think that's been fixed. Those that did that have been banned from the store, from what I know. *cough* yes..... lets move along shall we.

Originally posted by Wraith 8
are you saying that someone already had 3000 points? thats quick maaaybe.. took 30mins actually, well many 25mins depends really.

Young David
01-02-2003, 02:38 AM
Ya know ... I'm a mozilla forummer and I didn't actually notice the glowing name things because it's making use of an IE tag. So I don't see them.

I think eye candy things are okay, but there need to be some multibrowser things.

Wraith 8
01-02-2003, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by Riffage
*cough* yes..... lets move along shall we.

maaaybe.. took 30mins actually, well many 25mins depends really. it was you? or someone you know?

Taos
01-02-2003, 12:07 PM
I think that the credit system is a good thing. Like Aristotle said, we are here for some fun and I think features like that only add to it. I myself am shooting for a glowing user name. :D

I am scared to death though of anyone who wasn't named a mod becoming "mod for a day." :(

Riffage
01-02-2003, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Wraith 8
it was you? or someone you know? hmmmm... (both)

Wraith 8
01-02-2003, 03:26 PM
well im looking at your sig now.... and there it is. you have only yourself to blaim i guess... they dont do it for fun :D

Riffage
01-02-2003, 05:25 PM
heh, i did it for fun! :D

Ender
01-03-2003, 05:29 AM
Hm, I wonder if I could sue LucasForums for false advertising :)

It should be mentioned that Glows are not a standard HTML feature - and thus if you buy a glow for your name only people using Internet Explorer will see them.

So if a Mozilla/Netscape user buys a glow they might wonder what they have wasted their credits on, as it won't show up!

Anyone using Mozilla/Phoenix, Konqueror, Opera (I think), ecetra, will see nothing unusual.

Riffage
01-03-2003, 08:18 AM
i would probably say you coudnt, as like you already know it wont work in Mozilla/Phoenix, Konqueror, Opera (I think), ecetra as like you just said it...

Faith
01-09-2003, 12:32 PM
giving points away to people who have alot of ponts already is SO unfair!