goblins or orcs, lotr

[Nerd_Annhilator]

what do you prefer?

[Lunatic Jedi]

Orcs are the best, definitely. Goblins are smaller and weaker. Their just Orc Lite. :p

[Nerd_Annhilator]

goblins also have more pus on their faces. (is that pus or just some discusting amount of snot and slobber?) and they seen very stupid.

[Boba Rhett]

Err... In lotr they're the same thing. :indif:

[DarkSaber-<ZeN>]

Originally posted by Lunatic Jedi
Orcs are the best, definitely. Goblins are smaller and weaker. Their just Orc Lite. :p

NAH ****. Orcs are transformed goblins, just like they are from elves. But Orcs are traditionally from Goblins, sauruman took elves and made them orcs for some odd reason...THAT LOSER

[BCanr2d2]

That is what I was thinking, that the goblin is just a more deformed Orc, which in itself is a deformed Elf..... (At least at the root of it all)

[Boba Rhett]

THEY ARE THE SAME THING.

[DarkSaber-<ZeN>]

If you say so Mr.Rhett :O

[-s/<itzo-]

they are both ugly but i prefer orcs.

[JediNyt]

Actually orcs were once elves. I dunno about any connection to goblins, I started reading the The Fellowship and am not that far yet. The movie didnt say anything about a connection with orcs and goblins, the book might. But Saruman crossed orcs with goblins and made Uruk Hai.

[DarkSaber-<ZeN>]

In lotr their is none, im talking about other fantasies, just basic info :D their both connected.

[Boba Rhett]

Those were goblin men. Not goblins. Tolkien's explanation inside the story was that the "true" name of the creatures was Orc. He as the, "translator" of the ancient manuscripts, substituted "Goblin" for "Orch" when he translated Bilbo's diary, but for The Red Book he reverted to a form of the ancient word. That's where the confusion comes from.

[BCanr2d2]

The LOTR book is only a small part of Tolkeins work...

There is a lot more of the back history, with the Red Book of Westmarch being one that seems to pop up all over the place. It is a book that seems only to exist in the story itself, but is like an annal of history...

There are books out there that are like a Middle Earth Dictionary, that explains all the links...

In older history, they are referred to as Orcs, now Men in Middle Earth call them Goblins...... Or at least that is what my book states......

[Nerd_Annhilator]

no their not!, goblins are smaller and weaker than orcs, and they only help to create orcs now.

[whitedragon]

uruk hai "WE ARE THE FIGHTING URUK HAI. WE DO NOT STOP THE FIGHT FOR NIGHT OR DAY WE COME TO KILL." from TTT the book

[Arkum]

I'm going to agree with Rhett. Tolkien has this book, forgot what its called in which he says that Orcs and Goblins are the smae thing. It's just that the different races of Midle-Earth call them by different names. But Rhett is right, they're the same thing.

And 'Orc' sounds cooler than 'Goblin'.

[Nerd_Annhilator]

fine then goblins and uri kai

[wassup]

I'd pick Uruk-Hai. Did you see that Uruk decapitate that Orc in TTT? :D

[DiRtY $oUtH™]

Yes, I did see that..his hunger led him to his death...oh well. "Looks like meats back on the menu!":D

[SettingShadow]

Goblins in LotR? I´m sorry if I sound stupid but is there any Goblins in LotR? The Orcs are Elves taken by Morgoth, then they were tortured (sp?) and other sick things. I´ve read LOTR, TTT, ROTK and Silmarillion and no where I´ve heard of any Goblins :confused:

[BCanr2d2]

If my memory serve me correctly, I believe that in the MOVIE, they refer to the orcs in Moria/Khazad-Dum (Same place, different languange) as Goblins - which game from the mouth of a Elf....

Legolas would be accumstomed to the languages and lores of old, so he may know them as goblins, as they are a very old names for Orcs - which I think actually comes from the Balc speech name for goblins - uruks......

[Mex]

I agree with Rhett, they are the same thing.

[Breton]

Originally posted by Squater
Goblins in LotR? I´m sorry if I sound stupid but is there any Goblins in LotR? The Orcs are Elves taken by Morgoth, then they were tortured (sp?) and other sick things. I´ve read LOTR, TTT, ROTK and Silmarillion and no where I´ve heard of any Goblins :confused:

But it seems like you missed reading one book: The Hobbit. In that book, the orcs are always called goblins instead. But they still are they exact same thing.

[Clemme w/Stick]

I'll go with the goblins. Their in greater numbers and they've got a Cave Troll :D!!

What ever you do....do not feed the trolls!!

-Clemme

[SettingShadow]

Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
But it seems like you missed reading one book: The Hobbit. In that book, the orcs are always called goblins instead. But they still are they exact same thing.

Oh, I read that one to, forgot to say it. But I read that book several years ago, I must have forgotten about that they called Orcs Goblins. Now I gotta read it again (if I can find it that is :/).

[Lord Glorfindel]

Originally posted by Squater
Goblins in LotR? I´m sorry if I sound stupid but is there any Goblins in LotR? The Orcs are Elves taken by Morgoth, then they were tortured (sp?) and other sick things. I´ve read LOTR, TTT, ROTK and Silmarillion and no where I´ve heard of any Goblins :confused:


Everything Squater has stated is true, except that different races call Orcs different things, Hobbits and Men Goblins and sometimes orcs, and Elves call them Yrch (its elvish). Some people in the books (not just LOTR but also The Hobbit, The Silmarillion, and the Unfinished Tales) call orcs all different types of names.

All the answers are in tolkiens work.

[Boba Rhett]

You know what has always bothered me? The lack of the mention of what they used for toilet paper. I wanna know!

[Loki GM]

Originally posted by Boba Rhett
You know what has always bothered me? The lack of the mention of what they used for toilet paper. I wanna know!

maybe they used cloth or nothing at all

I would like to see them try to make a movie based on the silmarillions

[Andy867]

I'd prefer really to see a live-action version of "The Hobbit" than the silmarillions. But that's just me. But of course we all know that Peter Jackson just wanted to do The Hobbit, but Paramount said no and that $75 Mil was asking to much for a single movie. So, someone got a hold of an agent at New Line, and they offered Peter Jackson and crew $300 mill to make the LOTR Trilogy.

[El Sitherino]

Originally posted by Andy867
I'd prefer really to see a live-action version of "The Hobbit" than the silmarillions. i would too.

[BCanr2d2]

The Silmarrilion would take 5 or more movies to make, compared to LOTR....

Anyway, it isn't a completed book, so why would you want to make a movie out of something that isn't finished?!

[SettingShadow]

Originally posted by Quendi
I would like to see them try to make a movie based on the silmarillions

That would be Really hard, considering how many battles it were, how many ages etc. Its really nothing that would do good on the screen, its to complicated and it would need like at least 6-8 movies :p. Theres to many characters and descriptions of them and what they did etc, you could never squeze that into a movie. It just aint possible, of course you could maybe just include the most important things of the book but even then it would be very very hard to do. Besides Silmarillion is a piece of art and it wouldnt be right to make a film of it.

[Andy867]

So what if it takes 6 or so movies. I don't hear anyone complaining that it is has taken 6 movies to tell the Star Wars story. And you know that there will be people who will go see the movies, regardless of how many. Plus look at what all the Star Wars films have done and the Lord Of the Rings movies. Thats a lot of action, but they managed. And technically speaking, if you go off of finished products/books, then one could argue the whole idea behind the Star Wars movies and how there are supposed to be 9 Episodes in All, but George Lucas doesn't feel like making the last 3. So its ALSO an unfinished product.

[shukrallah]

orcs are cool but i think urukai were the best.

[Skate Boy]

I like the Orcs.

[Sarlacc Food]

ah-.. gobbos... i wish they had more warhammer looking gobbos in lotr!

[teleguy]

Q: Which of the Vala made the dwarves? And in doing so, did he inadvertently create the goblins (the forerunners of the Orcs)?

–Earl Duncan

A: Time to check your head at the door, my friend. The race of Dwarves were created by Aulë, long before the first Elves and Men appeared. And Aulë had NOTHING to do with goblins! Further, the goblins are not the forerunners of Orcs by any stretch of the imagination. Tolkien used different names for the same creatures, and in LOTR mostly abandoned his earlier use of the word ‘goblin’.

It is understood that the origin of the Orcs goes back to Morgoth, who took a huge population of the original Elves and twisted them through black arts and torture to become Orcs.

Now my turn to ask a question: Have you read The Silmarillion lately?

[Skate Boy]

I always thought they were the same, but some one told me they were not. I was right!:D

[Lord Glorfindel]

I think they should make a Beren and Luthien movie.

The only problem would be how to make a three-time talking hound of Valinor (aka Huan)?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

[Andy867]

Didnt Gandalf say something like "Sauroman's treachery runs deeper than you think. He has crossed Goblins with Orcs..." Or something like that?? I don't have my 4 or 2-disk edition out at the moment, but could someone confirm that?

[whitedragon]

yes he said "the foul craft of saruman is crossing orcs with gobblin men. hes breeding an army in the caverns of isenguard

[Loki GM]

I always thought that the goblins where created like orcs only with men indtead of elves

[Nerd_Annhilator]

but in the movie saruman said he had croosed orcs with goblins to make these uruk hai................

[Boba Rhett]

He said Goblin Men.

[whitedragon]

Originally posted by Boba Rhett
He said Goblin Men.
whats the difference. im sure both genders look the same

[Boba Rhett]

It makes a difference because Goblin men are not goblins....

[whitedragon]

Originally posted by Boba Rhett
It make a difference because Goblin men are not goblins....
i think i get what your saying now

[Admiral_Ackbar8]

orcs are trained by Sauron and Saruman
they have to be better than goblins who learn themselves

[Lord Glorfindel]

Goblin Men are Uruk-Hai, Goblins (AKA Orcs) mixed with Men are Uruk-Hai