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Natty
01-10-2003, 08:22 PM
Sorry was talking to a friend about Two Towers and basically came up with the fact that Frodo and Sam are in a homosexual relationship and Aarogon is way too horny and needs to get laid as soon as possible.

Discuss :p

mercatfat
01-10-2003, 08:34 PM
Right, because all male friends that are close to each other are inherently gay.

Natty
01-10-2003, 08:49 PM
"Frodo it's me its your Sam" Normal males don't say that sort of thing :p I think it's because Sam just well irriates me and my friends we've decided to make fun of him for the hell of it :) Basically everything Sam says about Frodo makes it sounds like he's desperatly in love with Frodo- Sam worships him, why I have no idea, it's not like Frodo is anything special nor is he good looking. Sam is just an irritating stupid fat hobbit who wants Frodo so desperatly he's too ashamed to admit it

Al-back from the BigWhoop
01-10-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Natty
Sorry was talking to a friend about Two Towers and basically came up with the fact that Frodo and Sam are in a homosexual relationship and Aarogon is way too horny and needs to get laid as soon as possible.
"Frodo it's me its your Sam" Normal males don't say that sort of thing I think it's because Sam just well irriates me and my friends we've decided to make fun of him for the hell of it Basically everything Sam says about Frodo makes it sounds like he's desperatly in love with Frodo- Sam worships him, why I have no idea, it's not like Frodo is anything special nor is he good looking. Sam is just an irritating stupid fat hobbit who wants Frodo so desperatly he's too ashamed to admit it





half an hour ago i was discussing exactly that with some friends of mine, and those above were our same words, although we were discussing in portuguese.


sam is obviously gay, hes always kissing frodo's arse, calling him mr. frodo, and saying "Frodo it's me its your Sam" :p. bsides those long looks at each other. in movies when too ppl look at each other silently with that wishing face, they r in love. thats exactly how sam looks at frodo

Natty
01-10-2003, 09:52 PM
And he gets sooooooooo jealous when Frodo talks to Smeagol and brings him along with them to find the black gates. It's like Sam wants to own Frodo and is so seriously possesive. Quite scary really. If my friends did that I would tell them where to go

Al-back from the BigWhoop
01-11-2003, 12:25 AM
hahahaha, havent though it that way, ROFL!
:rofl: :rofl:

Tyrion
01-11-2003, 12:39 AM
It seems like Hobbits are secure and comfortible with caring for other hobbits,same gender or not...

Unlike us,who are insecure and afraid to care for others of the same gender...

Kinda sad,really..

Al-back from the BigWhoop
01-11-2003, 01:06 AM
come on tyrion, u know thats not wot this is all about. dont u agree that their relationship is quite... well odd? i mean, how many friends tell u that they r yours? I mean, we tell that to gfs and bfs, not to friends.
and starting from that example we sorted out more examples to show how weird their relationship is. in summary, we r just having fun, k? gee, wot is happening to you ppl?

Natty
01-11-2003, 01:28 AM
Hobbits are fun to laugh at.

Sam's speech at the end made me wanna cry- had such a hard time trying not to laugh I had to shove popcorn in my mouth

Benihana14
01-11-2003, 03:43 AM
Whats even better is the fact that they mentioned Sam and Rosie, and how Sam wants her, and she likes him....oh, and the part where Sam is going to have a kid with Rosie....yeah, that part, where he obviously has to make Hobbit-Love to her....hrmm, gay?
Sorry that you all can't look past old writings talking about best friends, and have to turn it into a 12-year-old conversation about being gay. You are probably the same people that would snicker in the books when they refer to cigarettes as "faggots". I personally thought Sam the best character in the books/movies. Everyone else sort of ditched frodo, or were taunted by the ring, and sam is there beside him every moment to help him out, and he hates gollum because gollum is a punk, that just wants to kill them....too bad the movies haven't shown as much as the books did of how friggin strong and crap he is; they showed more of the "emotional sam" which as been turned into the appearance of sexual attraction towards men? Hopefully by the third movie you will see what I'm talking about...or read the books even.
If you still want to talk about people being gay...talk about Gandalf...cuz Ian McKellan really is a homosexual. Thats right, the great Magneto likes men...enjoy!

Deadmeat_X
01-11-2003, 04:34 AM
Yeah but Gandalf...well, he's one of the last characters you'd think about when saying SEX, right? He's not homosexual, he's completely a-sexual.

Frodo and Sam...well, Sam's ass-kissing annoyed me too, in the books and in the movie. He's really taking his respect and loyalty for Frodo too far, disturbinly far...

Aragorn...why didn't he get laid in the movie? He had that elf-chick and that Rohan-woman falling for him...it would have made the movie way more intresting...

Natty
01-11-2003, 05:25 AM
Originally posted by Benihana14
Ian McKellan really is a homosexual.

Ummmmm all I can say is DUH and you have only just found this out? Where have you been? It's been a wellknown fact for years that Ian McKellan is gay- who cares? One of my best friends is gay. Good for them they rule I'm a self confessed fag hag...deal with it :)

Anyway we're talking about fictional *does Ben Affleck hand movement thingie in Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back* characters- not the people portraying them.

Anyways I care for my female friends I don't stare at them like I seriously wanna make out with them (and when I do I'm most likely under the influence of alcohol- so don't blame me for my actions) and I don't say I'm theirs. I don't even say that to my boyfriend

Faith
01-11-2003, 09:30 AM
Oh my GOD! This is such a silly thing! Sam has an ikkle hobbit in da last film(RTOTK)!

natty hes just fond of frodo and wants to protect him... such a bad thing? i think not!

Tryion is totally 100% right in my opinion...


:ewok: :ewok: :ewok:

Feral
01-11-2003, 09:39 AM
Natty, He didn't say that he'd just found out Ian McKellan was gay He jsut said that if you want to talk about homosexual relationships, you should talk about Gandalf.
Oh, and just accept the movie for what it is. Sam is not gay. If he was, Tolkien will have made it obvious in his books.

Natty
01-11-2003, 10:03 AM
No one has a sense of humour anymore- I'm glad at least Al got it was a joke.

For those of you who can take a joke (and judging by it there doesn't seem to be anyone other than Al)

http://www.ealasaid.com/misc/vsd/

NiKo
01-11-2003, 01:44 PM
To be honest, I told my friends those Hobbits are gay when we watched the 1st movie back then.

beside the obvious facts stated in this topic about the long passionate looks, the romantic lines "it's me, your Sam"...."oh sam..."

in the first movie, isnt it true that Sam was caught peeping into Frodos cabin? perhaps waiting to see Frodo getting undressed? :D


(to all you LOTR fans, i AM joking ofcourse..dont be mad)

Benihana14
01-11-2003, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Natty
No one has a sense of humour anymore- I'm glad at least Al got it was a joke.

For those of you who can take a joke (and judging by it there doesn't seem to be anyone other than Al)

Hiding behind the defensive wall of "the joke." If you would have clearly established this when you posted...I would have wholeheartedly joined in on the rediculous banter of the homosexual hobbits. And yes, I did know Ian McKellan was gay, thanks Feral Chicken for clearing that up.

QueenAdreena
01-11-2003, 05:59 PM
i still don't understand the fascination with frodo and sam being "gay". it always comes up, even when it's blatantly not true. if you'd read the books you'd see that it's clear by the end that they're not gay. even though there was never any doubt in my mind about it. i didn't even think about the possibility of them being gay until i read suggestions from other people on forums who had seen the film. they just have a very special close relationship, where they do love each other and care for each other a lot. especially sam. his love for frodo is just so overwhelming it makes me want to cry when i'm reading the books. especially at the end of the two towers. hmm i know what you said was a joke, but it still gets me annoyed when people say things like this! anyway, don't want to get started talking about the lord of the rings because i will never shut up again

Natty
01-11-2003, 07:20 PM
joke
n.
Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line.
A mischievous trick; a prank.
An amusing or ludicrous incident or situation.
Informal.
Something not to be taken seriously; a triviality: The accident was no joke.
An object of amusement or laughter; a laughingstock: His loud tie was the joke of the office.

v. joked, jok·ing, jokes
v. intr.
To tell or play jokes; jest.
To speak in fun; be facetious.

v. tr.
To make fun of; tease.


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[Latin iocus. See yek- in Indo-European Roots.]
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joking·ly adv.
Synonyms: joke, jest, witticism, quip, sally, crack, wisecrack, gag
These nouns refer to something that is said or done in order to evoke laughter or amusement. Joke especially denotes an amusing story with a punch line at the end: told jokes at the party. Jest suggests frolicsome humor: amusing jests that defused the tense situation. A witticism is a witty, usually cleverly phrased remark: a speech full of witticisms. A quip is a clever, pointed, often sarcastic remark: responded to the tough questions with quips. Sally denotes a sudden quick witticism: ended the debate with a brilliant sally. Crack and wisecrack refer less formally to flippant or sarcastic retorts: made a crack about my driving ability; punished for making wisecracks in class. Gag is principally applicable to a broadly comic remark or to comic by-play in a theatrical routine: one of the most memorable gags in the history of vaudeville.



Do people now understand????? My best friend is sitting next to me- she's read LOTR a number of times since she was 9 and she thinks it funny. I'm glad some people with brains get the joke.

Faith
01-11-2003, 07:54 PM
I just found it abit offensive, didnt know you were joking at first because you didnt seem too fond of the film with the dissing of the ring and all! i get where your coming from.. :)

mercatfat
01-11-2003, 08:18 PM
The joke would be better if it were actually funny or original.

Feral
01-11-2003, 09:12 PM
I'm with Mercat on this one. And are you insinuated that everyone besides yourself, Faith, and Al have brains? Isn't that rather oxymoronic?

Natty
01-11-2003, 09:50 PM
No I am insinuating that Al, myself and others have a sense of humour. There's a difference between having a brain and having a sense of humour. Although you would need some sort of a brain to figure out it's a joke. If you can't figure out when I'm being serious and when I'm joking by now- after what? 2years you don't know me as well as I thought some people did.

Anyways lets talk about Aaragon... he is in desperate need of getting laid...

mercatfat
01-11-2003, 10:40 PM
Stop making excuses whenever you're wrong and get a more intelligent sense of humor.

kthx

-merc

Natty
01-11-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by mercatfat
Stop making excuses whenever you're wrong and get a more intelligent sense of humor.

kthx

-merc


Who said I was making excuses?? Unlike some people I admit when I'm wrong and I don't think I'm wrong. I find your comment amusing as that's coming from the person who declared himself winner of something he wasn't even nominated for. I find that more sad than not having a sense of humour.

mercatfat
01-11-2003, 11:57 PM
I was just being silly when I said I won and added myself to the poll. Duh.

Natty
01-12-2003, 12:44 AM
Are you a super mod? I've been rude to a supermod :D

Anyways no one seems to get Australian sense of humour, I should probably be used to it by now. I still don't think I understand American humour. Seinfield springs to mind. He's funny because?

Brit humour is funny even though most of it I don't get

Benihana14
01-12-2003, 03:53 AM
Its like finding out how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie-roll center of the tootsie pop.....the world may never know. Anyway, I think the discussion here is probably ended, I posted my "whatevers" on the humor poll....

NiKo
01-12-2003, 06:00 AM
sorry for not agreeing with you all, but I have to have my say in this one:


Lighten up!!! jeesh, stop being so obsessive about LOTR!! It's just a book, a movie!

You're acting like it's some kind of holy book/movie or whatever!

"Oh! she has violated the holy book! catch her! kill her! burn her!"

for gods sake, lighten up...you're being obsessive...it's scary

Guybrush122
01-12-2003, 08:05 PM
thats hysterical natty...my friends and i were just discussing such an issue. to be with that many men for so long they NEED to be gay....


....its a fact of life.







furthermore ---- theyre gay.

Al-back from the BigWhoop
01-12-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by mercatfat
Stop making excuses whenever you're wrong and get a more intelligent sense of humor.

kthx

-merc

Originally posted by mercatfat
I was just being silly when I said I won and added myself to the poll. Duh.


I LOVE IT when ppl get buried under their contradiction

mercatfat
01-12-2003, 09:34 PM
What the hell are you talking about?

Natty
01-12-2003, 09:44 PM
Just guessing but maybe Al is talking about how I'm being silly for saying hobbits are gay. You have a go at me but then when I had a go at you for adding yourself to the poll thingie and claiming you'd won, you said you were being silly. I dunno if that's what Al means, but given those 2 quotes he's posted I'm pretty sure that's what hes on about

mercatfat
01-12-2003, 09:55 PM
If you're correct, then that's retarded. I didn't think the joke was silly, I just thought it was dumb, unoriginal and poorly executed.. and was a "hey, you can put this in a gay context" joke which makes it even more retarded.

It's possible to be silly and intelligent at the same time. Just look at Adult Swim and The Kids in the Hall.

Different definition of silly for putting my name on the poll at the end. It wasn't meant to be humorous except in an inside joke way that none of you are in on.

Faith
01-13-2003, 08:50 AM
we can draw the conclusion that people who are a tad childish found it funny and the more ault of us didnt! no need 2 start an argument :(

NiKo
01-13-2003, 09:19 AM
you say telling jokes is childish,
I think starting such a dumb argument about it is childish

Faith
01-13-2003, 10:03 AM
I aint startin an argument.... n i didnt say that telling jokes was childish...

Nehow... back on topic...:deathii:

NiKo
01-13-2003, 10:09 AM
Wasnt talking about YOU faith,

Not EVERYTHING in this world revolves around you :p jk

Al-back from the BigWhoop
01-13-2003, 11:11 AM
i was just showing mercatfat that he should make a big fuss about a joke he ddnt find funny, cause his joke in nattys topic was way stupider and less ppl found it funny. and saying natty's joke wasnt even a joke at first is just offending.
i hate it when ppl think their way is the right way, their humor is the right humor, their point of view is the right point of view. how can they not see that there r more than one opinion, and it doesnt mean the other one is wrong just because he disagrees with you.

i dont like americas humor, nor englands, but i dont think america is childish and england is boring. i just think they have a diferent sense of humor, and i respect that.

i know the world is filled with ppl that think like mercatfat (thinks only ppl that have the same joke taste as him are inteligent) and faith (thinks only ppl that have the same joke taste as him are adult), and therefore i should get used to this kinda stupidity, but im just not able to respect ppl that think like that.

Faith
01-13-2003, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Al-back from the BigWhoop


faith (thinks only ppl that have the same joke taste as him are adult),

Ahem.. him? HIM? :mad:

i am a her!!!:mad: :p

and i dont really think mercatfat and I are the stupidity of the world either :p

Feral
01-13-2003, 12:35 PM
I found Mercat's joke fairly amusing. It's not like he changed the figures in the poll or anything.

Natty
01-13-2003, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Faith
we can draw the conclusion that people who are a tad childish found it funny and the more ault of us didnt! no need 2 start an argument :(

Yes, the more adult people are more often the people that should use www.dictionary.com or at the very least learn some grammar.:rolleyes:

brief
01-13-2003, 06:43 PM
As long as there had been LOTR fans, there had been people wondering the sexuality of Samwise Gamgee. Of course, such people had always been in the minority, because it was clear that Sam isn't by the end of the story, and that Sam is basically just a very good friend of Frodo's, in addition to being Frodo's hired servant. That's why he calls Frodo, "Mr. Frodo."

This is even explained in the movie:

Frodo: I am Frodo Baggins, and this is Samwise Gamgee.
Faramir (to Sam): His bodyguard?
Sam: His gardener.


This is also explains his excuse for being outside the window when Gandalf was talking to Frodo about the ring...

Gandalf: Confound it all, Samwise Gamgee! Have you been eavesdropping?
Sam: I ain't been droppin' no eaves sir, honest! I was just cutting the grass under the window there, if you'll follow me.
Gandalf: A little late to be trimming the verge, don't you think?



As a joke, the Sam is gay punchline is overdone among Tolkien fans.

Natty
01-13-2003, 07:54 PM
Yeah but to newer fans it's funny- and like I said my best friend who has read the books time and time again still thinks the whole "Sam is gay" joke is funny. Still she has a sense of humour like me so it's no wonder

Al-back from the BigWhoop
01-13-2003, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Faith
Ahem.. him? HIM? :mad:

i am a her!!!:mad: :p

and i dont really think mercatfat and I are the stupidity of the world either :p

oh, i know u are female, that was an accident (i copied the whole sentece from mercatfat and forgot to change "him" for "her") sry

and i dont think u r the stupidity of the world, i meant to say that there r a lot of ppl taht think like u and i just dont like it.

Redwing
01-14-2003, 01:38 AM
Most popular LotR (movie) slash couples:

Frodo/Sam
Legolas/Aragorn

:D

Faith
01-14-2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Al-back from the BigWhoop
and i dont think u r the stupidity of the world, i meant to say that there r a lot of ppl taht think like u and i just dont like it.

Could you tell how i think exactly... and what points about the way i think you dnt like?

QueenAdreena
01-14-2003, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Natty
Still she has a sense of humour like me so it's no wonder

lol. you're so narrow minded

Feral
01-14-2003, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Natty
Yes, the more adult people are more often the people that should use www.dictionary.com or at the very least learn some grammar.

Hmm. Assuming that the people who got your "joke" are the "childish" ones, your point is rather, well, absurd. For, you see, the "childish" ones are Faith and Al...
I can't say that I've really noticed any particular lack of grammatical skills from anyone in the thread besides Faith and Al. And I'm fairly sure everyone knows what a joke is. It's jsut that jokes tend to be, you know, funny.

Guybrush122
01-14-2003, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by QueenAdreena
lol. you're so narrow minded


lol. you're such a douche. :)

brief
01-14-2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by Redwing
Legolas/Aragorn

:D Damn, I could've sworn that Legolas was with Gimli... See how they argue and bicker just like a regular married couple...

Faith
01-14-2003, 06:29 PM
[i]
I can't say that I've really noticed any particular lack of grammatical skills from anyone in the thread besides Faith and Al. [/B]

One will start talking in recieved pronunciation, or standard english.
As i do an A level in english i'm sure i have grammatical skills, probably more than the average 17 year old. But because i choose to "abbreviate" and not check my grammar, syntax and lexical fields on a forum, this makes me "lack" in grammatical skills?
Yes, it seems so.

Al is from brasil... don't think their native tongue is english... although he speaks it quite well.

mercatfat
01-14-2003, 08:33 PM
I like this bit of philosophy form the Kiwibonga.com message board code of conduct:

1. Learning to write before coming

u, r, im, luv, cuz and sup are NOT words. Abbreviating words is, for sure, the best way to type fast, but one thing needs to be said about that. This is not a chat room, therefore, there is no need to type fast.

Second of all, it's extremely irritating to try and decipher what people are trying to say, so write in full words, please.

Third of all, writing fast like that makes you sound like what you probably are, a 13 year old retard (retard as in the insult, not mentally challenged, because those guys CAN write full sentences) who has very little experience in anything.

Fourth of all... Whether or not you like to seem "ghetto", trying to give the impression that "u talk lik on teh hood, bro" doesn't transcribe well. You're not black, live with it, you're making an ass out of yourself and you seem downright disrespectful, and people probably won't pay attention to anything you say until you finally get banned from the site.

And fifth of all, sure, not putting capitals at the beginning of sentences and not putting periods at the end of sentences that are followed by a line break can happen accidentally, BUT MAKE SURE THE SENTENCES YOU WROTE MAKE SENSE, PUT PUNCTUATION, SAVE EVERYONE A MINUTE. Thank you.

Oh and... When using multiple exclamation points in a row (although 3 should be enough), don't release the shift key too soon...

Benihana14
01-14-2003, 11:48 PM
I personally have fantastic spelling, grammar, punctuation, and an abundant vocabulary. But I use these when typing important reports, stories, resumes, and other various things that require these attributes. When I come to a message board, I usually try to type as I would talk, so that it isn't a fake me. Ya know? I also enjoy putting repetative periods at the end of my sentences to indicate pauses...I just sometimes don't say the 'ng' sound in words like "nothing." So when somebody is like "whats up?" I would reply "nothin much" or "nothin' much." Why? Because thats how I say it...I dunno <---another example. So I'm not trying to give the impression that i'm a hoody...its just how I talk bud. As does faith when she says "fink" for "think"...I rightly understand her, though I laugh...cuz its funny to me :) Or when you (merc) types "kthx" I know thats "ok, thanks." Even though thats not really how you pronounce it....you are abbreviating. And I think some abbreviations are ok....i say "cya" all the time, its habit....some of them are quite annoying, especially overused. But whatever....I don't think its necessary to pick at everyone's typing, unless it takes a scientific team to decipher it. :)

Feral
01-15-2003, 09:13 AM
I didn't say you didn't have grammatical skills; I merely said that you don't show it :)

Al-back from the BigWhoop
01-15-2003, 09:43 AM
feral still thinks abreviating is a very childish thing... huh :rolleyes:

(of course, by abreviating i dont mean sk8ter, thats just silly. abreviations are supposed to make writting faster)

SuicidalXWing
01-15-2003, 11:25 AM
Stop writing books. It's driving me nuts having to read all that.

Faith
01-15-2003, 07:41 PM
I'm not trying to act ghetto or show anything by abbreviating, im trying to minimise the ammount i type!

I will try and show I have grammatical skills, just for feral and Natty.

:)

Natty
01-15-2003, 07:49 PM
Usually I don't mind the or u or r, but when there's a whole post filled with those sort of abbreviations I get so confused and half the time a post won't even make sense to me

Thanks :)

Al-back from the BigWhoop
01-20-2003, 06:45 PM
in my nonsense posts, its not the abreviations' fault, its just me :p