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swphreak
01-28-2003, 03:41 PM
Who would win? It is really close. I'm no a "Trekky," unfortunately they had to have a Star Trek Marathon on when there was nothing else to watch. . . so I drifted to the Dark side and watched like 2 in a row (IV Home and V Frontier). the I was curious. . . and rented First Contact (The dark side clouded my thoughts) and thought it was kinda cool. then i started wondering: Wh would win? the Borg or the Vong?

The Yuuzhan Vong:
Bio Technology and they can make new stuff
Dovin basals(sp) that can basically stop lasers for a while
They really hate machines with a passion (a really really big passion) and the Bordg are half machines.
They are very strong
and maybe some more points I forgot


The Borg:
They assimilate and that stuff
They adapt (so woul the Vong's weapons become useless after a while?)
Hive mind
and anything else I missed


I think it would be a close match. . .

Also, i am back to the light side of the force. :)

Pnut_Man
01-28-2003, 04:52 PM
I'm glad to see another NJO fan, too many friends of mine are 100% against the series -_-'

On subject: It's obvious to tell that the EU authors were influenced by the Borg. Look at the Yuuzhan Vong- Strange invaders from another galaxy that have arrived to assimilate their teachings to the infidels. (From what my uncles told me) Borg- Strange aliens that originated from a single planet. #1 Goal of the Borg- Assimilation ;)

Btw, did anyone find a similarity between the aliens/bad guys of the recent Star Trek movie and the Yuuzhan Vong :P?

Tie Guy
01-28-2003, 05:11 PM
The Vong don't want to assimilate, they want to kill all the infidels, period. The only thing they keep non-Vong alive for is slave labor.

Anyways, nothing in Trek can even come close to touching anything in SW.

swphreak
01-28-2003, 08:36 PM
I luv NJO, and I'm gonna see the new ST movie this weekend only because they finally have better Special Effects. Not those corny effects from the old movies.... and you know what, I finally get the whole "Beam me up Scotty" Jokes that I've seen in so many Sci-Fi movies.

Hmm I dunno. All the Bord has to do is touch the Vong with those things that come out of thier hands to start turning them into Borgish things. And wouldn't the Borg eventuallt adapt to the CoralSnake and thud bugs and stuff? or can they not "adapt" to Biological stuff?

then again. All the Vong has to do is make some Biological Disease an releae it. I'm sure many Borg will die, and when they "adapt" the Vong can make another Disease and do it again.

And I was trying to get past the SW rules and ST sucks and vise versa in this debate.

Katarn07
01-28-2003, 08:40 PM
The borg would win. And then they'd be invincible with the Vong's weapons assimilated. Ahhh!

Things would be very bad for the Federation. Let's hope they never meet... Unless the Vong fight as well as species 8472 (trekkies, did I get that right???) They are good fighters against the Borg, as seen in Voyager and Armada II...

Darth Talliusc
01-29-2003, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Tie Guy
The Vong don't want to assimilate, they want to kill all the infidels, period. The only thing they keep non-Vong alive for is slave labor.

Anyways, nothing in Trek can even come close to touching anything in SW.

you are so right and so wrong at the same time. pardon me for this but: the vong arent what you think. they come for the promised land nothing more, they see infidels in their promised land and decide that these infidels are weak and unworthy of this place so they must leave or be destroyed. they DO want to assimilate life (very zerg like if you played starcraft). but they did like slave leighbour yeah ill give ya that one.

and i say SW owns em too. (but thats just me and my opinion so dont flame plz). despite the physics and whathaveyou the SW ships move MUCH faster (did a comparison from an episode of voyager where they travelled 20 light years in 2 weeks and were surprised at their speed to the SW stuff).

but the ST are very resourceful, they ALWAYS find some special little field dynamic to tweak, or shield algorithm to help em out and win the day, so who really knows?

ah and worf laughed when a ship attacked them with lasers because their shields were so much more powerful, how that compares to the turbolasers and ion cannons of SW i dont know.

swphreak
01-29-2003, 03:26 PM
I wanna see Speies #### (whatever their number is) in action. what series are they in? (Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and generatons are the only television ST series I know of.... And i love Armada 2. LA needs to make a game like that.

Katarn07
01-29-2003, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
I wanna see Speies #### (whatever their number is) in action. what series are they in? (Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and generatons are the only television ST series I know of.... And i love Armada 2. LA needs to make a game like that.

I saw like, 2 Voyagers with them in it. They're not in the Alpha Quadrant yet. 8472 seems right... Not about to look in my manual for Armada II....

Ratmjedi
01-29-2003, 10:10 PM
Well I am no a Trekkie but I do know alot cause I watched alot of DS:9 and all of Voyager.

The things that you were referring to that came from the Borg are called nano technology. That's how they get new borg. Then they just equip them with some weapons and tools and make them more resourcefull.

As for Species 8472 they don't really live in a Quadrant. They live in Sub Space which means that if they wanted to they could actually be in the Alpha Quadrant if they wanted too.

As for the Yuuzhan Vong I think that they would get there asses kicked. The Borg just don't adapt but they also assimalate all there info from there victims so they would just need to to Assimilare a Yuuzhan Vong and then they would easily surpass there thier knowledge. They also have all the knowledge of the previous races that they have assimilated to they would know a lot more then the Yuuzhan Vong could ever know. They also have a collective mind which means that they all know what is going on between them wich means that a lot of minds are better than one.

The Borg Cube's would beat the crap out of the Yuuzhan Vong's ships and their shield frequencies rotate and are very hard to get pass thru unless you know the exact frequency. The Vong would last about a month against all the Borg. ;)

:duel: :lsduel:

swphreak
01-29-2003, 11:12 PM
but are they (Species) in any TV Series and which series did the borg attack? Cuz I am curious about both of them. They are the closest thing to the Vong, and I think the Vong are fascinating.

Ratmjedi
01-29-2003, 11:58 PM
but are they (Species) in any TV Series and which series did the borg attack?

I didn't get that first part of that question but I can tell you what series they are in. They orginally apeared in a Episode of ST: The Next Generation when Q, a being with God like powers , put them in the Delta Quadrant where the Borg recide. That is when they first met and when the Borg see something that they like they will assimalate it. They then tried to assimilarte the Enterprise but Q took them back to the Alpha Quadrant before they could do anything serious. They tried but failed many times before they actually were able to Assimilate Jean Luc Picard. But then he was saved and that is where you get him hating the Borg so much and thats why you see that part in the very beggining of First Contact. Then later on we would see them in other episodes and Voyager later series. They were only in STK: TNG and ST: Voyager. I don't ever remember them in ST: DS9 cause that was mostly with the Gamma Quadrant.


I think I know understand your first question a little. In one of the episodes the Borg Queen tells someone what species the Borg assimilated first but I am not really sure on how the Borg came to be. But they are many species. It's like a Jedi. You can be a Jedi but it doesn't mean that you are only one species. There are many species that are Jedi and the same is true with the Borg.

Try to contant Obi or leXX if you want to know cause I think they know way more than I do. Espicially Obi. Also Dath Max is a trekkie too. ;)

:lsduel: :duel:

swphreak
01-30-2003, 07:41 AM
ooooh trekkies j/k

cool. thanks. Maybe I'll rent the series from blockbuster. they dont have those corny graphics from the 70s or whenever they first made ST do they? Its at least better

Katarn07
01-30-2003, 06:31 PM
Species 8472 is in Voyager, Phreak.

I like Ratmjedi's explanation of the scenario. How true. The Borg would win. They are the ultimate thing! I mean, the Federation got whooped their first few encounters with them, so why not the Vong?

Taos
01-31-2003, 05:07 AM
I voted for the Borg, simply because I feel over time that they would last longer. The way they adapt and try to assimilate everyone would be effective.....

swphreak
01-31-2003, 07:46 AM
Then how did the federation beat them?

Ratmjedi
01-31-2003, 06:18 PM
Well they came up with the Defiant Class ship which is the Federations most effective ship against them. They also has Jean Luc Picard and he knew how to counter react them because he was one before. He knew what they thought and how they thought so he was able to battle against them.

There is also 7 of 9 in Voyager. She knew how to counter react them because she was still a borg who retained her individuality. Janeway was also very resourceful against the Borg and had a lot of luck too.

The Federation has really not defeated the Borg. They just recide in Delta Quadrant so that's why they aren't in the Alpha Quadrant.

:duel: :lsduel:

Thrackan Solo
01-31-2003, 11:18 PM
Is it even a question? Vong would annihilate the Borg. You have to remember that the Vong have ORGANIC weapons. The Borg cannot adapt to organic weapons.

The Borg have technology but the arent the brightest. THe are slow and a good amphistaff to the gut would slow them down even more....

swphreak
02-01-2003, 12:51 PM
hmm... is that true? I dont know that much about Trek. I basically thought they could assimilate/adapt to anything.

boinga1
02-02-2003, 12:07 AM
:yoda: says we must kill all the trekkies!
:blubeam: trekkies

NOT!!

Probably Vong, they would hate the Borg. They Vong would also make some animal to hunt Borg (ala voxyn). And yeah i guess Borg are slow, I don't know about Borg fighting skills (only seen one TNG thing w/ borg in it and they no fight in it).

Katarn07
02-02-2003, 12:27 AM
I doubt Borg could adapt to a Tommy Gun (as seen in First Contact! :D)

But if they assimilated the Vong, just one vong, they'd have info how to use living things to their advantage and know every flaw with the new weapons, then in turn being able to evade Vong attacks...

Make sense Thrackan Solo? They are both organic and machine...

Ratmjedi
02-02-2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Thrackan Solo
Is it even a question? Vong would annihilate the Borg. You have to remember that the Vong have ORGANIC weapons. The Borg cannot adapt to organic weapons.

The Borg have technology but the arent the brightest. THe are slow and a good amphistaff to the gut would slow them down even more....


One Word...

Nano Technology. You need tissue for this too work. If they used organic weaponry the borg would just inject it with nano's and then it would only take a while for the weapon to be borg itself.

You guy's also underestimate the Borg too much. The Vong might be a big threat in the Star Wars universe but the borg would love to assimilate their technology and knowledge. They also might fight slowly but they could beat the crap out of the Vong tactally. (Sp?) They also are very resourcefull and unless you know what they are thinking you really are screwed. There not just a common enemy. Few races have actually challenged the Borg and lives or been succesfull. Also think about all the shields they use. It's very hard to bypass them.

:lsduel: :duel:

nova_wolf
02-03-2003, 07:06 PM
I space, have a feeling that the Vong would get hammered.

But the ground war would go to the Vong. Shame that the Borg don't DO ground combat...

Borg have better infrastructure, more resources and more single minded ness.

Vong would fight to the last against what must be the ULTIMATE insult / heretical life form, who believe that droid stuff is not just useful, but necessary for perfection.

It would be a battle you would want to view from a very powerful relay camera probe at most!

Lord Fondlemaid
02-03-2003, 07:10 PM
I voted Borg, the Yuuzhan Vong would have to be the SW equivalent of species 8472 to have any effect.

Thrackan Solo
02-05-2003, 08:22 PM
A good thud bug would take care of a borg! ha my next door neighbor is a trekkie we will fight and if i win then the Vong would win
*we fight*
WHACK SMACK THUD BANG
I won! THe borg are annihilated!
Death to trekkies!

Ratmjedi
02-05-2003, 09:38 PM
Just give it up man.
The Vong would only win if they had every person in the Universe.
The Borg are just more superior then the Vong would ever be.
:lsduel: :duel:

Master_MJade
02-06-2003, 01:35 PM
i personally hope they'd kill each other off and save both galaxies problems...

swphreak
02-06-2003, 03:32 PM
LOL. Never thought of it that way

Master_MJade
02-07-2003, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Katarn07
I doubt Borg could adapt to a Tommy Gun (as seen in First Contact! :D)




They can't adapt to brute force..... which very fast flying projectiles are...


personally i think that the Borg can show what happens when you become to dependent on technology to take care of your problems...you can be screwed over with the simplest of technology....


Case in point Ewoks and Stormtroopers...

*Darth Vega*
03-03-2003, 03:06 AM
The Borg:


They assimilate and that stuff

Have they been able to assimilate another biological race? *cough species 8472 cough*
Answer: No.

They adapt (so woul the Vong's weapons become useless after a while?)

They do not adapt techinically. Rather, they optimize. A mere chaning of frequencies is enough to harm them again. Unfortunatly for the borg, turbolasers do not have frequency. Coralskippers don't fire phasers. There is nothing for the borg to adapt to.

Hive mind

You're joking right??? Because of the hive mind the Borg are like zombies. The only time we have EVER seen any intelligence shown from borg is when they are seperated from the collective.

This is not an advantage! ITS A DISADVANTAGE TO HAVE A HIVE MIND!

and anything else I missed

Let's see. Borg torpedoes, we don't know exactly how powerful they are, but we do know they are comparable to quantom torpedoes in damage. Quantom torpedoes are rated at 128 megatons. Let's be really generous and assume bord weapons are ten times that. I'm being really biased towards trek here with these calculations. That would give borg weapons a rating of 1.28 gigatons.

Now we know that heavy turbolasers on the Acclamator transport from Episode II was rated at 200 gigatons per shot. We'll assume this is about the same damage the New Republic does with their weapons. Again I'm being really biased towards Trek, because remember, this is like 50 years before the Yuuzhan Vong showed up. We assume the Yuuzhan Vong have the same firepower as the New Republic (not unreasonable considering the incredible bias I'm showing for Trek) and give their heavy weapons a rating of 200 gigatons.

200 gigatons per shot vs 1.28 gigatons per shot.


Gee real hard choice there. In a one on one Yuuzhan Vong take it.

But let's go further.

The Borg have conquered the Delta Quadrant. Fair enough.
The Yuuzhan Vong have control of their galaxy and half the Republics galaxy. Christ....can you imagine the millions of worlds they have, and the massive number of Yuuzhan Vong there must be if they need to conquer another galaxy?

Yeah. So the Yuuzhan Vong have the numbers, they have the power, they have the determination (the borg would be like the anti christ to the Yuuzhan Vong), and I would give them the win.

The Borg don't have any definate advantages other than transwarp. And while it's instantaneous travel, it's not dynamic like hyperdrive (which the Yuuzhan Vong have). I'd say this is a humiliating loss for the borg.



Winner: Yuuzhan Vong

swphreak
03-03-2003, 07:45 AM
Wow.......... I'm speechless.

Fraydenz
03-04-2003, 07:51 AM
You said it StarWarsPhreak. That was my 1st thought...I think I liked that post. :)

When you put it that way (good logic, plus weapons ratings, sheer number of Vong), I can see that the Vong would probably walk away with the crown.

dark jedi 8
03-06-2003, 08:40 PM
yeah, i agree. though i dont like the vong for some reason.

swphreak
03-06-2003, 10:20 PM
Could it be due to the fact that they are invading your favorite galaxy and kicking the NR's butts. The death of our favorite characters... and like so much more?

:D

dark jedi 8
03-06-2003, 10:31 PM
that's some of it, but i think they are way to powerful. i just think a species could not do what they did. it just doesn't seem beleivable IMO.

swphreak
03-07-2003, 07:48 AM
They're strong, but not invincible. They're getting THEIR butts kicked now.

dark jedi 8
03-07-2003, 07:23 PM
are they, good, i don't read the NJO books, i might start too soon though, i gotta find them first.

swphreak
03-07-2003, 08:42 PM
yea, the beginning it dark... but the light is getting brighter

Jedi Skywalker
04-13-2003, 03:29 PM
I'v evoted too close to tell because the camp at my place is divided. One side of the family likes Star Trek and the other side (ME) likes, loves SW. So to keep the peace, I'v decide to close to tell.

I think that the Vong should win in the end because of several reasons mentioned already. Maybe it's an idea, let the Vong and the Borg meet in real. Could be fun!:rolleyes: