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leXX
02-01-2003, 07:18 AM
I have a feeling that the matrix trilogy is going to be the best trilogy ever to grace our screens. These are very exciting times, what with the Animatrix being available for download in 3 days time and the Enter the Matrix game being released on the same day as Reloaded, I'm soooo excited about it all.

Have you all seen the Superbowl Reloaded trailer? What did you think?

www.thematrix.com

Rogue15
02-01-2003, 07:54 AM
I couldn't get enough sleep last night cause I watched the matrix for the second time. hehe...hopefully i don't fall asleep during work. :D 'what is real?' hehehehe

Lord Glorfindel
02-01-2003, 11:25 AM
I totally agree, The Matrix Tril will be amongs the best Sci-Fi movies ever, along with 2001: Space Odyssey and 2010: Space Odyssey, and SW, though I dislike both Space Odyssies because they were both long and boring, but still for that time period 2001: SO was a big Sci-Fi achievment, anyways, Matrix will be a big contender with SW if u ask me.

Taos
02-01-2003, 02:41 PM
I couldn't believe what I saw during the superbowl. That was a simply amazing thing.......one of the better trailers I have ever seen. :eek:

I was :bored: all over myself. :D


When does it come out again? May for the Reloaded and November for Revolutions?

Sounds like May will be a sweet month.....to add to your little list there LeXX, Knights for Xbox will most likely be in May as well. :D

Aerothorn
02-01-2003, 10:41 PM
Matrix was ok, but overrated. 3 star, maybe 2 and 3/4th star movie. It starts out good, the premise is fine, but Keanu Reeves is annoying as ever, the plot is cliche, the romance sucks, and the last parts of the film just dissolve into random things blowing up. Not bad for an action film, but I can think of many many many films that are better.

Jed
02-01-2003, 11:02 PM
I got the trailer downloaded, I watch it everyday at least once :D

It looks so good....the tripping, the guns....*drools*

:D

Thrift
02-02-2003, 07:12 AM
Yeah I can't wait to see these.

I just hope they don't balls it up.
I kind of thought that the ending for the first one was really fantastic...I'm a little bit uncertain on whether or not they shouldn't have just rested on their laurels.

I dunno...It's a bit like Athletes retiring with a great big send-off then coming out of retirement again 5 years later when they could have stayed out and gone down in the history books as one of the greatest legends of all time, rather than returning and then having a sub-par comeback and sullying the memories of their greatness.

Mind you I had those fears with the Star Wars Prequels, and they were allayed.

Though anyway, I can't wait to see it! Though I haven't seen much of the trailers.
Worth the download?

Lord Glorfindel
02-02-2003, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Aerothorn
Matrix was ok, but overrated. 3 star, maybe 2 and 3/4th star movie. It starts out good, the premise is fine, but Keanu Reeves is annoying as ever, the plot is cliche, the romance sucks, and the last parts of the film just dissolve into random things blowing up. Not bad for an action film, but I can think of many many many films that are better.

I have to agree about the romance part, but everything else was bloody great!!! But everyone has their own opinion

Aerothorn
02-02-2003, 01:12 PM
The film seems to be mostly popular with younger males, I suppose, and my brain is closer to my dad's then my peers(In the way I think, not in wisdom or anything) and I'm less maleish and macho then most guys. For example, films I love are Ghost World, Donnie Darko, The Royal Tenembaums, some other stuff(Those are 2001 releases). The only action film off the top of my head that I really enjoyed was The Spirits Within. I don't go to theatres much(Episode 2 was ruined for me by the guys guffawing and hooting and stuff throughout the entire movie) so this year I've only seen a few things that came out in 2002, one being Adaptaion, which, like Being John Malkovitch, rules, and Scotland P.A.(Which is the story of McBeth, except in a burger joint...its pretty dark but pretty funny in a twisted sorta way) and Shackleton, which Kenneth Branau should get Best Actor for but he won't because the Academy only voted for popular, big budget movies. Which is why I don't follow the Academy. Just my rant.

-s/<itzo-
02-02-2003, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by leXX
I have a feeling that the matrix trilogy is going to be the best trilogy ever to grace our screens.

i totally agree with you on that one lexx.

leXX
02-03-2003, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Thrift
Yeah I can't wait to see these.

I just hope they don't balls it up.
I kind of thought that the ending for the first one was really fantastic...I'm a little bit uncertain on whether or not they shouldn't have just rested on their laurels.

Well The Matrix was never meant to be one film only. They had the whole story (all 3 parts) written out from the start and it was always intended to be realeased as a Trilogy but they never had enough money to make the other two films till now. Just remember, these are not sequels, they are part 2 & 3 of a trilogy.

Worth the download?

I should say so!!!

Hannibal
02-03-2003, 10:56 AM
I recorded the whole Super Bowl just for this trailer.

It was an 8 hour tape so I also taped Alias( :naughty: )

Thrift
02-03-2003, 09:51 PM
Well The Matrix was never meant to be one film only. They had the whole story (all 3 parts) written out from the start and it was always intended to be realeased as a Trilogy but they never had enough money to make the other two films till now. Just remember, these are not sequels, they are part 2 & 3 of a trilogy.

I seriously never knew that.

I just started to download the trailer, will tell you what I think :)

Notion
02-03-2003, 10:04 PM
Aerothorn, you ever been interested in game design?

On topic, I think what happened in the Matrix was all merely a set-up for the next two movies. I mean, Neo running around dispatching agents was probably the visual those two brothers had in mind when they were writing up their ideas.

Darth Simpson
02-04-2003, 06:45 AM
Keanu Reeves is annoying as ever

I hear that! :D

I'm kind of tired of the Matrix. It's a good movie, no doubt, but I' getting bored of the hype and fuzz.

But yeah, I'm looking forward to the two sequels.

Swat
02-04-2003, 09:27 AM
i heard that the graphics of enter the matrix is a bit sucky, considering abt not buying it...

Hannibal
02-04-2003, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by swatteam
i heard that the graphics of enter the matrix is a bit sucky, considering abt not buying it...

They waited to long to put this out. It's like they had no idea that the movie was gonna be that big, then when it was they didn't move on it.

Now that I think about it they had problems with the company's that were suppose to be publishing the game, didn't they?

Aerothorn
02-04-2003, 12:13 PM
Yes I'm interested in game design. Why?

And Keanu Reeves isn't bad...he's just not good, not a very talented guy. For The Matrix, they just needed an actor who could walk around and say "Huh? Whas goin on?" the whole movie, and Reeves fit the bill.\

And yes, the whole thing was written out from the beggining, but that doesn't make them not sequels. The whole Star Wars thing was written out from the beggining and they still call em sequel and prequels. A sequel is simply something that comes after the first film.

leXX
02-04-2003, 12:44 PM
I have to disagree. SW is refered to as Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy. Ep 1, 2 and 3 are sequels, the original trilogy ep 5 & 6 are not refered to as sequels. A sequel is an afterthought if the original is succesful. Again, Reloaded and Revolutions are not sequels, they are part 2 and 3 of a trilogy, big difference.

Don't forget to download 'The Second Renaissance Part 1' from the official site at some point today. I don't know when they are putting up but it should be soon hopefully.

Aerothorn
02-04-2003, 05:57 PM
No, the prequels were not an afterthough, Lucas has said he had this all mapped out in his head from the beggining. And let me look up the dictionary definition of sequel.

sequel ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skwl)
n.
1. Something that follows; a continuation.
2. A literary, dramatic, or cinematic work whose narrative continues that of a preexisting work.
3. A result or consequence. See Synonyms at effect.

Therefore, the next Matrix movies are sequels. Maybe not in your language, but in the English language.

Hannibal
02-04-2003, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by Aerothorn
No, the prequels were not an afterthough, Lucas has said he had this all mapped out in his head from the beggining. And let me look up the dictionary definition of sequel.



The pequels weren't an afterthought but they didn't exist either. George Lucas would say something like I had the idea of how he became Vader in my head. But that's not written. He didn't actually write the prequels till he was gonna make em.

-s/<itzo-
02-04-2003, 08:33 PM
hey lexx, when and where can i get the Animatrix?

leXX
02-04-2003, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Aerothorn
Therefore, the next Matrix movies are sequels. Maybe not in your language, but in the English language.

Here I am being perfectly nice and all of a sudden you have an attitude!

And exactly what language is it you think I speak hmmm? I'm from London, England...let me see...that would be English then. :rolleyes:

Lucas didn't have the prequel trilogy in his head from the beginning, he didn't write them until after the original trilogy.

ANYWAY...

When something is written out from the very beginning and broken up into 3 parts, the 2nd and 3rd parts are not referred to as sequels. Is TTT a sequel? Is ESB a sequel? No. Was that plain enough for you or didn't you understand my English?

trilogy
A group of three dramatic or literary works related in subject or theme.

@Skitzo - The first one is available now from www.thematrix.com ;)

Lord Glorfindel
02-04-2003, 09:46 PM
LOTR was originaly a supposed to be a sequal to The Hobbit.

And LOTR is a Tril cause it is related in subject and theme, and also story

Taos
02-05-2003, 01:08 AM
You know I really enjoyed the Matrix, I went and saw it four times in the theater......even though I really didn't have a complete understanding of the movie [I do now of course]. :D I own it on dvd and I'm very excited about the next two. :)

Aerothorn
02-05-2003, 06:25 PM
I'm getting an attitude because your being aggravating. Yes, TTT is a sequel, yes Empire Strikes Back is a sequel. Whether they were planned before hand or not is irrelevent- any related work that is released after the original is called a SEQUEL.

2. A literary, dramatic, or cinematic work whose narrative continues that of a preexisting work.

Does Empire Strikes Back continue Star War's narrative? Yes. So it's a sequel. You have a problem with it, write Webster's and ask them to change the definition.

leXX
02-05-2003, 06:44 PM
I'll tell you what, you can call them whatever the hell you like, I honestly don't give a crap. I'm not gonna waste any more time arguing over something quite as trivial as the definition of 'sequel', especially with someone who has an attitude problem. :rolleyes:

Aerothorn
02-05-2003, 09:18 PM
Rules
1. You cannot, in any way, insult (or "flame") someone else on the board. People may not be insulted just because their opinion differs from your own. Flaming includes calling people names, insulting them in any way or saying offensive things to them.


Flaming other members is against the board rules. So please cease doing so.

Lord Glorfindel
02-05-2003, 09:58 PM
If u re-arrange Neo u get One. Thats a fact that should be a permanent one.

O and Trinity begans with Tri, which = 3. Is that interesting or what

Rogue15
02-05-2003, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Aerothorn


Does Empire Strikes Back continue Star War's narrative? Yes. So it's a sequel. You have a problem with it, write Webster's and ask them to change the definition.

ESB is a sequel to ANH and a prequel to ROTJ. :D

TTT is a sequel to FOTR and a prequel to ROTK.

Notion
02-05-2003, 11:09 PM
Aerothorn - You seem to think a lot like me, I was just curious but that's interesting.

And cmon where's the love guys... the matrix is a welcome addition to the many sci-fi universes... and IMO one of the better ones. I think the Wachkowski)sp) brothers meant to name 'The One' 'Neo'.

Taos
02-06-2003, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by Notion

And cmon where's the love guys... the matrix is a welcome addition to the many sci-fi universes... and IMO one of the better ones.

Exactly Notion I agree! :D

So can we please end the sequal/trilogy discussion? Now, I don't want any posts about who started what or anything........let's just move forward in this discussion. As a big fan of the Matrix, I really don't want to have to close this thread - but I will if I have to.

Thrift
02-06-2003, 12:51 AM
Honestly everyone, enough of the semantics.
I think we can all see what both of you are saying, so lets not be pedantic :)

I've only managed to download one of the trailers...The "Superbowl" one I think...

Looks great! Mind you, I thought the CGI of Neo fighting all those agent blokes with the pole was a bit ho-hum. I mean very, very good, but not so outstanding if you put it next to LOTR or AOTC.

Mind you, it will probably look better on the big-screen.

leXX
02-06-2003, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by Aerothorn
Rules
1. You cannot, in any way, insult (or "flame") someone else on the board. People may not be insulted just because their opinion differs from your own. Flaming includes calling people names, insulting them in any way or saying offensive things to them.


Flaming other members is against the board rules. So please cease doing so.

I said you have an attitude problem and you said I'm aggravating. 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. I certainly havn't 'flamed' you so do be quiet and get back on topic.

Darth Zaius
02-06-2003, 06:44 AM
im sorry lexx but im going to have to disagree, the matrix isn`t the best trilogy ever to be on the silver screen, it is the original Star Wars trllogy, that`s why we are all here, think about it.

Darth_Rive
02-06-2003, 07:54 AM
Sorry, folks, but I'm going to have to disagree with the ajority of you and go with Count_Dooku 2 here.

Whilst The Matrix is a fun film and the actual concepts behind it are great, it's full of plot-holes and obvious screw-ups. I watched it again two nights ago, and yeah, I did enjoy it, but I couldn't help but notice a load of things that just didn't make any sense. For example:

NEO: Hello?
MORPHEUS: This line is tapped, so I'll be brief.

He proceeds to chat to him for a further 5 minutes... :confused:

MORPHEUS: Come to the blablabla bridge...

Umm, hello? You just said that the line was tapped... So where was the army of agents waiting for them or following them?

And that's just one little thing. Perhaps I'm being picky and looking too deep into it all, but hey, that's what fans o movies do, right? Otherwise there'd be no Star Wars EU.

I downloaded the SuperBowl trailer about a week back. I'm worried that the films are going to be crappy, TBH. The trailer really does seem to be just teasing with brief images and resting on its laurels, as Thrift said. Yeah, I'm going to go see them, because I'm a fickle, fickle man - I like aesthetics, and the two sequels (Uh-oh! Fight! Fight! LMAO) do look quite pretty... :D I'm just worried that they're going to be the same as the original and fall apart at the seams in terms of story when you sit and think about them.

I actually thought "The One" (with Jet Li) was a far better film. It had a much more interesting concept behind it, and ar better acting and action. Jet Li is an incredible fighter. My sides were sore in the cinema when I watched the Neo-Morpheus fight. :D

BTW, LeXx or someone, can you finally clear up for me what actually happened with the whole Thomas Anderson / Neo thing? When Neo was shot in the Heart O' The City Hotel, did Anderson die and Neo take his place, his body? Or did he just realise that the construct was just a program, and that his body was still alive, so he shouldn't have died? Or did he realise that he was "the One"? Or was it something else even more obscure? Never really could understand that bit fully.

Cheers peeps.

leXX
02-06-2003, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Darth Zaius
im sorry lexx but im going to have to disagree, the matrix isn`t the best trilogy ever to be on the silver screen, it is the original Star Wars trllogy, that`s why we are all here, think about it.

I agree, currently the SW original trilogy is the best but I think the Matrix Trilogy is going to be the best after they are released.

BTW, LeXx or someone, can you finally clear up for me what actually happened with the whole Thomas Anderson / Neo thing? When Neo was shot in the Heart O' The City Hotel, did Anderson die and Neo take his place, his body? Or did he just realise that the construct was just a program, and that his body was still alive, so he shouldn't have died? Or did he realise that he was "the One"? Or was it something else even more obscure? Never really could understand that bit fully.

It's a combination of all those things really. He died but he realised he wasn't really dead because it is a program. "You're mind makes it real" - He is the only one to be able to distinquish between dying in the real world and dying in the matrix, therefore he is 'the one'. When he was reborn, he was enlightened and was able to see the code. It's hard to explain.

Hannibal
02-06-2003, 09:58 AM
leXX, you rock with the banners and avatars.

I wish I had 1/10th of your talent.

leXX
02-06-2003, 11:51 AM
awww, thnx m8! :o :D

Darth_Rive
02-06-2003, 12:30 PM
Fantastic, cheers for that bit of clarification there, LeXX.

It's funny though, Big_Hair and I were discussing this whole "becoming the One" thing the other day after we watched it. Surely the whole concept of not dying inside the construct is easy to grasp - billions of people all across the world play computer games every single day, and at least half of them will, at least once in their lives, have used cheats in a game, such as invincibility, speed up, slow down, infinite ammo, special weapons, etc etc. So why was it so hard for Neo to grasp this idea? So fair enough, his entire world has literally shattered around him and he's been thrust into a completely new world in which everyone's depending on him to save mankind, but hey, that's THE classic clich computer game story. What about all of that was so hard for him to sit down an say, "hey, you know what, this is just like playing Max Payne ( :D ), and I used to play that with invincibility cheats on." Surely the average person would sit there and go into the construct thinking it was a game and have to be convinced of the reality and seriousness of it all?

I dunno. Personally, I don't think it would be such an emotional issue for me, and I think that the concept of becoming the One woud be a piece of cake. Neo's just a wimp. :p

Hannibal
02-06-2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Darth_Rive
So why was it so hard for Neo to grasp this idea? So fair enough, his entire world has literally shattered around him and he's been thrust into a completely new world in which everyone's depending on him to save mankind, but hey, that's THE classic clich computer game story. What about all of that was so hard for him to sit down an say, "hey, you know what, this is just like playing Max Payne ( :D ), and I used to play that with invincibility cheats on." Surely the average person would sit there and go into the construct thinking it was a game and have to be convinced of the reality and seriousness of it all?


If this happened for real your mind would be thrown for such a loop that you would believe it before you actually accepted it. Think of your life now. You know not to jump off buildings and not to get hit by cars. You'll get seriously injured or hurt. Now imagine you suddenly find out that you can do those things. For a little while you won't believe because you've lived a life of looking both ways. Even after you get used to the fact that you are capable of such feats inside something will tell you that they're dangerous.

Think of the movie. Morpheus tells Neo we don't usually free a mind past a certain age. Children are more ready to accept change than adults. Because children will listen and believe what you tell them and because they aren't anchored in decades of reality.

leXX
02-06-2003, 03:09 PM
"The body cannot live without the mind". Basically Morpheus is saying that your brains reaction to pain/death is a chemical reaction that is too fast to do anything about. It's a natural instinct to avoid pain/death and it would be very hard to convince your brain that it would be ok to inflict them on yourself. It's mind over matter. Neo is the only one to have that ability out of everyone who has been unplugged. Of course, the people who are still plugged in are oblivious to the fact that it isn't real so when they die, the mind makes it real and they die in the real world.

Lord Glorfindel
02-06-2003, 08:02 PM
I think Neo was shot in places that had a painful effect on his body, and when this happened his body went into a simulated shock and making his pulse stop, but his body was really alive his mind when boosted back up, realised how close he just came to death and with that near death experience he unleashed "The One" which was held inside him, and then fully understood his powers as "The One". All of this is ill-relavent in the real world, but in Sci-Fi anything can happen.

Aerothorn
02-07-2003, 01:39 AM
Actually you did flame me. I said you were aggravating me- that is not a flame, simply a fact. You said I had an attitude problem, which is a flame, a negative remark targeting another user. Being a mod, you should know better then that. Now either follow the rules or leave.

And just my opinion, trying to look to deeply into the plot of the Matrix seems kinda pointless. I mean theres not too much plot to speak of, certainly almost no original material. Its mostly just an excuse to blow things up and do some stylized camera work.

leXX
02-07-2003, 04:31 AM
I was arguing my point in a perfectly civil manner and you chose to argue back with siarcasm and an attitude. You are obviously looking for a fight. You are what we call a troll. Don't try and tell me the definition of the rules ok. Saying someone has an attitude problem is not considered a flame. By your definition, saying I am being aggravating is a flame because it is a negative comment, no less of a negative remark than what I said. And yes, I am a mod, and if you don't stop your trolling, I will have to take further action. This ends here and now.

Darth_Rive
02-07-2003, 04:54 AM
C'mon people, chill! Bloody hell....

leXX
02-07-2003, 06:20 AM
Don't worry, I'm done with this thread.

Aerothorn
02-07-2003, 11:50 AM
No, trolling is when you go around and try to tick people off. And calling you aggravating was not a negative comment about you- it was a fact that you were aggravating me. Its your OPINION, and a negative one, that I have an attitude problem. The only reason you claim its not flaming is so you don't have to be in trouble. Being a mod doesn't make you above the rules. If you have a problem admitting your wrong, that doesn't give you the excuse to flame.

Taos
02-07-2003, 12:04 PM
Since you two can not end this pointless argument this thread is now closed.