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Natty
02-04-2003, 02:30 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003051772,00.html

Jacko: I sleep with boys
By MIKE DARVILL

MICHAEL Jackson admitted last night he sleeps with boys.

The singer, 44, said in a TV interview: “I have slept in bed with many children ... it’s what the whole world should do.”

Jackson also claimed children LIKE to be touched and said he would KILL himself if he could not be close to them.

The shocking confessions to journalist Martin Bashir are sure to further damage the star — previously tarnished by child sex allegations.

He admitted on ITV1’s Living With Michael Jackson that he had recently encouraged a 12-year-old cancer sufferer to sleep in his bedroom.

Jacko insisted there was NO sex during the sleepover at his Neverland ranch in California.

He said of his feelings for children: “I think what they get from me I get from them.

“And man, I just love being around that all the time. Why can’t you share your bed? The most loving thing to do is share your bed with someone.”

His sensational TV documentary was branded “the longest suicide note in history” by a TV executive last night.

The pop superstar’s career looked to be over after his stunning confession.

The admissions follow Jackson causing outrage just three months ago when he dangled his son Prince Michael II from a hotel balcony.

The new revelations — and a series of other bizarre antics during interviews with reporter Martin Bashir — come 10 years after Jacko was accused of sexually molesting 13-year-old Jordan Chandler at his ranch.

Officials in California who probed the sex scandal which erupted around Jackson in 1993 could take action following his new statements.

Last night’s programme is due to be screened in America on Friday.

In the programme Jacko told how he:

SHARED his bedroom with a 12-year-old cancer sufferer called Gavin at Neverland, his 3,000-acre ranch.

CLAIMED sleeping with children was “very right, very loving, very charming, very sweet.”

SAID he would KILL himself if he could not be close to children.

TOLD Bashir he did not want to be buried, saying: “I would like to live forever.”

Jackson claimed his young friend Gavin asked to sleep in the singer’s bedroom, to which the star said: “Look if you love me you’ll sleep on the bed.”

He claimed on that occasion he slept on the floor.

But Jackson said: “Why can’t you share your bed? The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone.”

He even claimed children liked to be touched. He went on: “I have slept in a bed with many children.

“I slept in a bed with all of them when Macaulay Culkin was little, Kieran Culkin would sleep on this side, Macaulay Culkin was on this side, his sisters in there.

“We all would just jam in the bed, you know? It’s very right. It’s very loving, that’s what the world needs now, more love.”

But Jackson revealed he is not comfortable with the idea of sex with ADULTS.

Asked about actress Tatum O’Neal trying to seduce him, Jackson said: “I was frightened. I was afraid. I didn’t think I was ready for that.”

Jacko disclosed for the first time how his new baby, Prince Michael II, was conceived by a surrogate mother he has never met.

The world knew almost nothing of the little boy’s existence until the self-styled King of Pop’s hotel balcony stunt.

But the singer chose to share details of his birth with millions in the two-hour special.

He admitted: “I used a surrogate mother and my own sperm cells. She doesn’t know me and I don’t know her.”

Asked how he selected her, Jackson replied: “It didn’t matter to me as long as she was healthy.

“I didn’t care what race she was as long as she was healthy and her vision was good.

“And her intellect — I wanted to know how intelligent she is.”

Jackson refers to the baby as Blanket. He revealed: “It’s an expression I use with my family and my employees.

“I say ‘you should blanket me’ or ‘you should blanket her’, meaning like a blanket is a blessing. It’s a way of showing love and caring,”

Jackson allowed cameras to film baby Blanket, his daughter Paris and other son Prince Michael I.

But he insisted all the children had their faces covered at all times because the star is so paranoid about the youngsters being recognised.

In one memorable image from the documentary, Jackson cradled the baby as he fed him his bottle through the veil.

The little boy’s head was shrouded in a green scarf and he wailed as Jackson jigged him on his knee and cooed: “I love you, Blanket.

“I love my children very much. I don’t want him to cry.”

The singer strongly denied that he had endangered the baby’s life by dangling him from the fourth-floor balcony of his Berlin hotel room last November.

He said: “That’s totally ignorant. I would never do that to my children, or any child.

“Why would I try to kill my son? Come on, that’s stupid. And why would I put a scarf over the baby’s face if I was trying to throw him off a balcony.

“We were waving to thousands of fans down below and they were chanting they wanted to see my child, so I was kind enough to let them see.

“They got the full experience and he enjoyed it.”

The child appeared to be fair-skinned but Jackson said the mother was black.

Jacko seemed a little confused as he had told earlier in the documentary how he had been in a relationship with the mother when the baby was conceived, but later he told the surrogacy story.

Jackson’s other children Paris, four, and Prince Michael I, who is nearly six, have no contact with their mother — Jackson’s former dermatology nurse Debbie Rowe.

Jackson confirmed that they were his biological children and said Rowe had given them to him “as a present”, describing it as “a lovely gesture”.

The children appear unaware of their mother’s existence — Prince told Bashir he did not have a mummy.

And Jacko claimed: “She can’t handle it — she’d prefer them to be with me than with her. She did it for me. She said ‘You need to be a daddy’.”

He said the children were perfectly happy without a mother.
And he added: “They have enough women in their lives. Women are everywhere in my house, they’re with them all day long.”

Jacko said he was present at the birth of both Prince and Paris - and told how he fled the hospital with Paris moments after she was born.

“She came out the wrong way and she was being kind of choked by the umbilical cord,” he recalled.

“So I was kind of worried and I was so anxious to get her home that after cutting the cord.

“I hate to say this — I snatched her and just went home with all the placenta and everything all over her. I got her in a towel and ran.”

Jackson said he fled because he was terrified that the doctors would give him some bad news about her.

But mystifyingly he said they had given him the all-clear to take the baby away.

He also claimed Rowe had given her blessing for him to take the child away even though she had not spent any time with the baby at all.

The star revealed he had been so desperate for a child that he wandered around his Neverland ranch carrying baby dolls.

And he revealed he intends to father more children by adopting a boy and a girl from each continent in the world.

Jackson said: “It’s all in how you shape and sculpt and mould their world.”

Paris and Prince seemed to play happily like any other children and seemed at ease chatting to strangers.

But Jackson said they could never enjoy a normal life because they were not allowed to go to school with other children.

He said it was impossible because they would be plagued by paparazzi and other pupils would be jealous of them.

Elsewhere in the documentary, Bashir repeatedly quizzes the star about his cosmetic surgery.

But the singer flatly denied having had any alterations to his face other than two operations on his nose because “it helped me breathe better so I can hit higher notes”.

He dismissed the rest as “garbage” and insisted: “I am telling you the honest truth. I didn’t do anything to my face.”

Jackson attributed his drastically changed appearance as coming from Heaven.

He said: “Well, you gotta ask God that. That has nothing to do with me. I have had no plastic surgery on my face, just the nose.”

Jackson loves shopping and even took Martin Bashir on a trip.

He told of a £3.6million spree and said: “I love seeing how people make things. I love craftsmanship, what people can do with their hands and their imagination.”

He also showed the interviewer how to do his famous moonwalking dance but suddenly became coy.

Jackson said: “Oh boy, I am shy. You’re putting me on the spot now. People will discover that I am really shy, I’m embarrassed.”

The troubled singer had a host of opinions on other subjects.

He said: “I’m Peter Pan in my heart. He represents youth, childhood, never growing up, magic, flying.”

He also revealed he likes to play childish games and gets a thrill out of climbing trees.

He revealed: “I love climbing trees, it’s my favourite thing — having water balloon fights and climbing trees.”

And he is very proud of his famous ranch which boasts fairground rides and wild animals and costs millions to run.

He said: “I like the ferris wheel — it’s soothing. It’s comfortable and makes you wish and dream.”

Jackson also talked about what he likes to get up to when he visits his Las Vegas suite.

He revealed said: “When I’m bored I ride in the hallways of the hotel in this disabled wheelchair. I cruise the hallways late at night sometimes.”

Jackson has not yet seen the documentary which will be screened in the US later this week.

Wacky_Baccy
02-04-2003, 02:42 AM
Good god, that man needs serious help... I feel so sorry for him and his kids :(

I wish I'd watched the documentary now - it seems it was a lot more worthy than I'd assumed it would be... I hope they repeat it.

Thanks for posting that stuff, Natty :)

HelenW
02-04-2003, 03:28 AM
I watched it, it was really disturbing.

Although you got your info from the sun natty, you want to be careful of that paper. Its full of sensationalism and it blatently lies. Some of the things it has said are taken out of context. They really didn't need to do that though, cos what he did say was scary enough. Did you watch it?

OMG!!!! I don't think anyone who did watch it could fail to be disturbed. Its his kids I feel sorry for, he is obviously suffering from something, the agitation you saw, the manic episodes, seen it all in the patients at work, and they're in hospital.

Natty
02-04-2003, 07:43 AM
Lets see...he calls Prince Michael #2 "blanket" and he thinks it's ok to sleep with kids that aren't his own regardless of whether it's in the same bed or he sleeps on the floor. Is it just me or doesanyone else find that disturbing?

NiKo
02-04-2003, 08:11 AM
there goes one sick person...:eek:

Darth Groovy
02-04-2003, 08:11 AM
At this point I don't think therapy would help him. Pitty he had so much talent, but he's just so freaking wierd!

His face changed drastically from 1983 to 1989, he get's scarier looking each year. What is up with this guy?

He's like the modern day version of Howard Hughes or even Citizen Kane....


All I got to say is "Rosebud......"


:rolleyes:

jannar85
02-04-2003, 08:29 AM
Wow!
He really NEEDS to get help! I thought he was OK, but now... Freakin weird! What's up with him? Sleeping with children? Agggh! Who has he become? A really sick bastard?!

Blondbeard
02-04-2003, 11:23 AM
That guy is seriously ****ed in the head. First he completly ****s up his face, now this. It is extremely disturbing to read what I have just read. He should be locked away from the world

Mex
02-04-2003, 11:45 AM
Just leave the guy alone. What has he done to you? I'm sure you have all done something that another person thinks you should be locked up for.

murta
02-04-2003, 11:45 AM
I think you guys are all seriously over-reacting. For astart, halfofyou didn't even see the interview, but you're reading a PRESS REPORT on it:
1) If you knew more, you'd know that he had a terrible childhood, in which he was severely beaten and taunted by his father. Many people seem to think this 'lost-childhood' is a factor for his current behaviour of acting like a child, not wanting to grow up, play with other kids etc. Hethinks of himselfas achild and so do the other kids anbd if you think of it like that, what's wrong with, 2, 3 or 4 children sleeping in the same room together (sometimes in the same bed, most of the time he sleeps on the floor). He never invites them into his bedroom, the children always ask beforehand and always check with their parents.
2) Because it's beengoing on so long now, do you not think if anything out of order had happened, it would have been reported
3) Why would he freely admit it if anything un-toward was going on?
4) How many of you would crawl into bed with your parents when you were a kid?
5) He calls his baby (Prince Michael) 'Blanket', because it's a word he uses to express sharing love and moments of joy i.e. blanketting somebody with gifts or affection

Now I've never been the biggest supporter of this guy, but it seems like I'm the only one who didn'tfind the TV show disturbing, quite the opposite in fact for me, itwas enlightening. I also agree with his view that family bonds have been broken, that kids spend too much time alone (on their computers or whatever) and don't share enough affection with their parents anymore. Plus, of course, the TV show was probably edited to show the worst parts. Then a sleaze-rag newspaper article (better known for it's topless pictures) on this TV report, could be even more biased, selecting purely the worst parts and building on them to make him look bad

Mex
02-04-2003, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by murta

Now I've never been the biggest supporter of this guy, but it seems like I'm the only one who didn'tfind the TV show disturbing, quite the opposite in fact for me, itwas enlightening.

I liked the show, I used to have my friends round to sleep round my house and we would sleep in the same bed, and newspapers don't come around my house saying I had sex with them [which I havent]

I think people should just leave him alone.

murta
02-04-2003, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Blondbeard
That guy is seriously ****ed in the head. First he completly ****s up his face, now this. It is extremely disturbing to read what I have just read. He should be locked away from the world

Did you know that he was constantly picked on by a child for being 'ugly. Even his own father made fun of him, particularly telling him he had a fat nose and didn't get it from him. If the interview is to believed, he only had 2 operations, both on his nose

obi
02-04-2003, 11:55 AM
I never like "jacko" in the first place. Not even his music.

*shrugs*

Gubernatorial threepwood
02-04-2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by murta
Did you know that he was constantly picked on by a child for being 'ugly. Even his own father made fun of him, particularly telling him he had a fat nose and didn't get it from him. If the interview is to believed, he only had 2 operations, both on his

he STILL has a focked nose... hes well queer...a perv.nothing done to his face except his nose? then how did it start to crumble??:confused:

his whole family is f*ckin weird

Al-back from the BigWhoop
02-04-2003, 12:42 PM
I really like his music, but he does have serious mental problems.
he should go to a therapist of a psychologist to get em fixed (although i think i might b too late, he should have done this when he was 20 or something...)

Feral
02-04-2003, 03:08 PM
I'm truly thankful that you posted that Murt. I was thinking the exact same things as you...you're all taking it out of context. Besides, Natty, what's your fascination with your guy all about?

Blondbeard
02-04-2003, 03:21 PM
Well I did see some of it, and what I saw was kind of disturbing. He is just strange, obviously growing up in the environment he did as a child hasn't helped him but still what he did and said was strange and disturbing.

Lemon Head
02-04-2003, 03:56 PM
Oh come on, I think too many people are chronic sufferers of The-Sun-itis. If he actually has sex with children there would be no way he would ever admit even being in close contact with them, it would be absurd. Dammit all, my dog sleeps in my bed but that doesn't make me a beastialite (or whatever the word is). Jacko's obviously an unhappy guy and I daresay having people near him is comforting.

it seems to me that too many people are taking all those old michael jackson jokes too seriously. The whole thing is just getting so old.

Gubernatorial threepwood
02-04-2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by The Feral Chicken
I'm truly thankful that you posted that Murt. I was thinking the exact same things as you...you're all taking it out of context. Besides, Natty, what's your fascination with your guy all about?

nope, i watched the prog

Al-back from the BigWhoop
02-04-2003, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Lemon Head
Oh come on, I think too many people are chronic sufferers of The-Sun-itis. If he actually has sex with children there would be no way he would ever admit even being in close contact with them, it would be absurd. Dammit all, my dog sleeps in my bed but that doesn't make me a beastialite (or whatever the word is). Jacko's obviously an unhappy guy and I daresay having people near him is comforting.

it seems to me that too many people are taking all those old michael jackson jokes too seriously. The whole thing is just getting so old.



we cant know anything for sure, except that he does have issues.
btw, hey LH, wassup?

Guybrush122
02-04-2003, 05:56 PM
i have a solution







kill the bastard. it shouldnt be too hard, the guy can hardly move.

Lemon Head
02-04-2003, 06:24 PM
OK Al, I admit it, nothing is proved or disproved but i still think that the likelihood is a remote one and all the rumours are just whipped up by scandal-sheets which have nothing better to do.

Anyway, putting that aside I'm doing good, hows by you? I'm making a comback to the forums after about a year, I got out of the habit while working but now i've returned with a vengeance baby, yeah!

Natty
02-04-2003, 06:31 PM
I've seen the programme... saw it last night.

First- I've been picked on about my looks, you don't see me running off to have plastic surgery to try and make myself look better. Jacko's nose was adorable as a kid and right there and then he should have been "**** the lot of yas" If he really wanted plastic surgery he should have stayed with his Off The Wall/Thriller look. Point is Michael darling, everyone gets picked on about their looks as they grow up, what makes it so hard for him is that he was famous AND growing up, which I have no doubt made him feel like he had to be perfect in some way. Hence the plastic surgery

Second- no normal person calls their kid "Blanket" Not even as a nickname, also no normal famous parent would walk around with their kids wearing scary masks. If you don't want your kids to be photographed, don't take them out, or something. Those poor kids, I really feel sorry for them. Also what kind of father grabs a kid 2seconds after its born and runs out of the hospital while it's still covered in placenta ick? "I was so scared I just had to get her out of there" pffffffffft whatever you reckon Michael...it's ok...well no it's not really just as long as you think it's ok

Thirdly- what kind of 44yo man allows children to sleep in his house, but especially his bedroom, and his bed? I don't give a toss if Michael slept on the floor, but don't you see how worrying this could be????? And the parents? You would think after the 1993 business parents would be seriously paronoid about children being anywhere near Jackson.


although, I do put a lot of his problems down to his childhood, being deprived of wanting what other children had. Hence Neverland. Although claiming he was Peter Pan and then saying he was worth more than a billion dollars was hysterical

Lemon Head
02-04-2003, 07:01 PM
This is blatantly all stemming from the paedophile hysteria which gets put about by the tabloids. The idea that the streets are teeming with old men who want to pounce on young children and have sex with them is patently preposterous.

Yes, these people exist and they are around, but for the most part paedophiles are not interested in having sex with children, quite the opposite in fact, it's the innocence that attracts them, not the fantasy of sex.

Natty
02-04-2003, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Lemon Head
This is blatantly all stemming from the paedophile hysteria which gets put about by the tabloids. The idea that the streets are teeming with old men who want to pounce on young children and have sex with them is patently preposterous.

Yes, these people exist and they are around, but for the most part paedophiles are not interested in having sex with children, quite the opposite in fact, it's the innocence that attracts them, not the fantasy of sex.

Yes and last night Michael was talking about the innocence of children.

murta
02-04-2003, 11:48 PM
Yes, the innocence of childHOOD, something he never experienced since he was beaten by his dad and picked on by many people.
Oh and he never said anywhere thathe'd kill himself if he couldn't be close to children. He said if all children had gone from the world he'd jump off a cliff

Benihana14
02-05-2003, 12:31 AM
All I have to say, is I wish I could dance like him...


You guys wanna see freaky? Watch "Hedwig and the Angry Inch"......good cinematography....but freaky!

Brighteyes
02-05-2003, 11:34 AM
I can see his point of view.
The only reason we think of it as him being a pedofile is because there are some extremely disturbed twats out there.

But then you should'nt go around flaunting the fact like he did.

scabb
02-05-2003, 12:05 PM
Okay, Micheal Jackson could have easily featured in Tim Burton' Planet of the Apes without make up, but he can't blame that on his father taunting him. His father taunted the rest of his sons too, and they turned out fine. I agree that he may have dipped his face in wax because the adoring public wanted him perfect, but it's his mistake to deal with himself, and to place the blame on upbringing is all too fashionable nowadays - he never mentioned it before - although I'm not disputing that your parents or guardians are probably the biggest factor on how you yourself turn out.

And two nosejobs? Please. He didn't develop patches of white on his skin like most sufferers of the disease he was supposed to have do, he basically transformed from black to white overnight.

As for all the paedophilia hysteria - please. I agree with Lemonhead on this issue, it's nothing but The Sun playing with the words, spinning them round until they're confused and dizzy,
and printing them in bold block capitals, alongside an extremely delicious pun. Nothing that comes out of the Sun should be taken for reality, especially the pictures on page 3.

And big deal! He calls his daughter "Blanket" or whatever. Quite a lot of children have stupid nicknames.

All of this may seem unacceptable to everyone out there who's trying to be politically correct, but there are things that are a lot worse than this in the world, they just aren't interesting enough to get the readers of the Sun excited. You shouldn't just accept that something is wrong because someone says it is, you should make up your own mind.

It seems normal that Jacko would want a childhood, as he missed out on his. This could be why he makes friends with children, as they don't try to push him around like all his bodyguards and Public Relations managers etc, and they're not old enough to have experienced the whole 'Lets go crazy and scream at Micheal Jackson' fad. Ask the children who slept in his bed what they think of him before you accuse him of being a raging boy-hungry paedophile.

Lemon Head
02-05-2003, 12:18 PM
hear hear!

I can't think of anything else that needs to be added to the above post as it covers all the points of my argument.

HelenW
02-05-2003, 12:50 PM
Those of us in england are all too aware of the dangers of the sun and the news of the world and the hysteria they generated about paedophiles. For those that don't know, the news of the world (sunday version of the sun) had a name and shame campaign for known child sex offenders, as they believed everyone had the right to know if a paedophile was living in their street. All very well in theory, but this campaign saw vigilantes burning houses, trashing cars and beating people up. Some poor guy got his name on the list for being a paediatrician!!!! The guy was a doctor, but he was attacked because he had the prefix paed in his job title.

Lemon Head
02-05-2003, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by HelenW
Some poor guy got his name on the list for being a paediatrician!!!! The guy was a doctor, but he was attacked because he had the prefix paed in his job title.

That was the particular occasion I had in mind when posting about the paedophile hysteria. It's stupid and dangerous, you'll have someone's eye out.

Natty
02-05-2003, 07:13 PM
He's still a chronic lier though. One min he said Prince Michael2 was conveived with an ex girlfriend (probably money Hungry Debbie Ho- I mean Row) and then the next he was saying he was conceived via artificial innsemination with a woman he never met.

Even with all the other stuff my main concern is for his children