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RpTheHotrod
02-11-2003, 07:19 AM
I thought this picture was just too awesome.

Give it time to load.


http://www.hostmysig.com/data/rpthehotrod/americross.jpg

ShockV1.89
02-11-2003, 07:21 AM
Indeed. :D :D :D


(prepare for anti-american people to flame you)

TheHobGoblin
02-11-2003, 08:13 AM
Very dramatic picture. Good find.

I'm ready.......

Sam Fisher
02-11-2003, 08:54 AM
Very nice...

-=Arkaine=-
02-11-2003, 09:00 AM
thats an awesome pic.....:cool:

Tyrion
02-11-2003, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by ShockV1.89
Indeed. :D :D :D


(prepare for anti-american people to flame you)

Or Atheists.

'cept this one wont flame.

Besides the cross,that pic is absoulutly amazing.

C'jais
02-11-2003, 09:46 AM
Looks awesome to the right people, I'm sure.

I wonder what the American Atheists are saying about getting God included in the national litany. Freedom of religion?

Mex
02-11-2003, 11:36 AM
Sorry to say but, some American people are show offs..

Sorry, I really needed to get that off my back.
*puts anti flame suit on*

STTCT
02-11-2003, 11:55 AM
I'll pretend I didn't read the above post :rolleyes:

Kstar__2
02-11-2003, 12:12 PM
i'm shure alot are, but not all of you wierd americans like to show off:p

ShockV1.89
02-11-2003, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Flanders
Sorry to say but, American people are show offs..

Sorry, I really needed to get that off my back.
*puts anti flame suit on*

*sigh* And some people dont know when to keep their mouths shut... :disaprove

Mex
02-11-2003, 01:12 PM
I forgot to put some in there.

Didn't mean all of you, only some.

TheJackal
02-11-2003, 01:13 PM
I dont agree with most of American government policies. but I still belive that is a beautiful picture. However, to make it more perfect i think it would of been a lot better if the cars and trucks were not visible (as well as the cranes).

the effect of this picture would be perfect if the flag was simply flapping in the wind on a normal flag pole. This picture is nice, but not 100% professionnal. If you dont like my comment, sorry. :p I'm a graphic designer student, I look at details for a living and try to make compositions perfect.

RoguePhotonic
02-11-2003, 02:12 PM
That pictures ****ed really....I mean I hate the u.s but that's not the point....what about all those people that love the u.s. and hate the christian religion.....that flag would be burnt down within hours of being up :p

munik
02-11-2003, 02:19 PM
Dude, the cross is incidental, it just shows up because of the angle of the photographer. I doubt it would be burned down because of obscure angle of light that at the most would last for about 15 minutes.

I didn't even see the sunlight making a passable cross in the union. Until someone added it into a reply. I guess you see what you want to see.

RoguePhotonic
02-11-2003, 02:23 PM
Well it might be burnt down anyway:D

Darklighter
02-11-2003, 02:27 PM
*Walks into picture and replaces flag with the Union Jack*

Ahh, much better...

;)

Mex
02-11-2003, 02:32 PM
*Takes down all flags put up*

Whats so good about flags?

ShockV1.89
02-11-2003, 02:41 PM
I have to ask... Rogue, why dont you move to another country?

griff38
02-11-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Flanders
Sorry to say but, some American people are show offs..

Sorry, I really needed to get that off my back.
*puts anti flame suit on*

Thanks for saying some. You could have used MOST but some is ok.

You know, ShockV1.89 warned RpTheHotrod he would be flammed for his post.

I think RpTheHotrods picture is a flame itself.

If you are a U.S. citizen and not a Christian , it's very offensive.
If you are Christian and not a U.S. citizen it's very offensive.
If you are not a U.S. citizen or Christian it can still be offensive.

Also remember Bolivians are American, Canadians are American, Terra Del fuagians are American as well as the citizens of about 50 other countries who could not care less about the U.S. flag.

I find that rude and offensive.

C'jais
02-11-2003, 03:26 PM
Griff:

Are all Americans, independant of religous beliefs or lack of, expected to say the "...God bless America" part in the statewide national hymn?

I'm curious, since I can't imagine a greater breach in the constitionally protected religious freedom.

AutoCept
02-11-2003, 03:34 PM
I say America bless God.

mace_sundancer
02-11-2003, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Darklighter
*Walks into picture and replaces flag with the Union Jack*

Ahh, much better...

;)

LOL! good one!

griff38
02-11-2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by C'jais
Griff:

Are all Americans, independant of religous beliefs or lack of, expected to say the "...God bless America" part in the statewide national hymn?

I'm curious, since I can't imagine a greater breach in the constitionally protected religious freedom.


YES, it's the "Pledge of Allegience" that U.S. citizens are required to participate in. (in which you say. "1 nation under God")

But of course I do not say it, it would make me a hypocrite. I usually will stand silently.

To the Christians who read my posts, I am not trying to be mean or disrepectful. I honestly wish you guys were right, that there is a benevolent caretaker who will love me forever, reward the meek, and punish the wicked.

I just can't believe it, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

munik
02-11-2003, 04:34 PM
The religion aspect is found in many national symbols, such as songs, and the currency has it. It is unavoidable, considering this country was founded by religious rejects. Can't escape God here in the States.

AutoCept
02-11-2003, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by griff38
I just can't believe it, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.
evidence? Not to turn this into a war thread, but such as?

Reborn Outcast
02-11-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Flanders
Sorry to say but, some American people are show offs..

Sorry, I really needed to get that off my back.
*puts anti flame suit on*

Umm I could honestly say the same for every country in the world.

And everyone the cross was just an accident. Its not like the photographer stood there waiting for that to happen.

daring dueler
02-11-2003, 05:16 PM
i too say god bless america-and while i may not be a huge fan of our govt. were free arnt we so i cant complain although it can be bad...but never the less i am extremily patriotic ........great pic and for those who flame the people who like it you should be ashamed of yourselves you shouldnt poste if you dont like it.

C'jais
02-11-2003, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by AutoCept
evidence? Not to turn this into a war thread, but such as?

I'm thinking it's more likely lack of evidence. Barring seeing God towering in front of me wielding a flame sword and a radiant aura, saying "Here I am! Now Believe!!!", nothing we've seen yet can logically be connected to God. Using inane "arguments" such as "Look at the beauty of life. It's God's work" is not going to work - anyone, including my dead grandmother buried in my backyard could have created that - there's no logical connection.

What's the difference between the three following examples:


The Nihilanth is the All Father. All life must obey his every wish. Everything is within his grasp, and none can escape it, since he is all there is, and nothing exists without the spiritual bond to him. He shall descend unto the Earth when the Kmethechele have passed its seventh cycle, and he shall rule everything in his fleshy form. All that see him shall despair, for he is not meant to be looked upon.

Ever since the second Lion of Cthas'rath leapt over the remains of Great Bulbulu, the universe has been thrust into the third winter, and the Nailebe will inherit the earth. The great ones will come, and everything will perish until the next spring.

Jesus of Nazareth is the Lord and Saviour. By accepting him in your heart, you shall rule beside him in his heaven and hell. By following his Word, you shall become void of sin, and your soul shall be placed upon the pedestal of the Lord, to be looked upon and analyzed. If you do not succumb to the Lord Jesus, you will forever be torn apart by kittens with sharp claws and a wicked sense of Sadomasochism


You're right. There isn't any difference. There is no logical reason to believe in any of this hogwash I just made up. All of these screwed up distortions of reality have one thing in common: There is no sensible reason to believe in them, and all you can do is throw your logical sense out the window, putting your trust into something you have no chance of ever seeing evidence of, and start worshipping.

RoguePhotonic
02-11-2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by ShockV1.89
I have to ask... Rogue, why dont you move to another country?

Don't really have that option at the moment....and I don't know other country's...only know allot about the u.s....and it sickens me....I would have to research a place.....

C'jais
02-11-2003, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by RoguePhotonic
Don't really have that option at the moment....and I don't know other country's...only know allot about the u.s....and it sickens me....I would have to research a place.....

May I suggest a "from cradle to grave" welfare system? I don't know how comfortable you are with socialistic values, but it seems like you want to get away from the laissez-faire of the states.

Or maybe Burma, on second thought.

-s/<itzo-
02-11-2003, 05:44 PM
it's so pretty....



it's the canadian flag, right?

whitedragon
02-11-2003, 06:26 PM
wow i love how the sun looks like a cross through the flag. God bless america :usa:

obi
02-11-2003, 06:28 PM
I think it's a nice picture. If it was an austrailian flag, I think it would be a nice picture. If it had the Mexico Flag on it, I would find it nice.

With polotics/religion aside, it's a nice picture. Stop trying to see so deep into it, and you won't get offended.

Breton
02-11-2003, 06:35 PM
*walks in*

Hmmm, I wonder what reactions people would have if I made a thread about a picture of the russian flag with a shining cross in it...

*walks out*

*points head back in*

Or even better, what about the Noth Korean flag...

*runs*

ZBomber
02-11-2003, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
*walks in*

Hmmm, I wonder what reactions people would have if I made a thread about a picture of the russian flag with a shining cross in it...

*walks out*

*points head back in*

Or even better, what about the Noth Korean flag...

*runs*

hehe

Thats a beautiful picture. Like Taters said, if you don't like the picture, we don't want to hear your crap about how you hate America, since this thread is honoring America.

obi
02-11-2003, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
*walks in*

Hmmm, I wonder what reactions people would have if I made a thread about a picture of the russian flag with a shining cross in it...

*walks out*

*points head back in*

Or even better, what about the Noth Korean flag...

*runs*

Read my post. :)

Breton
02-11-2003, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber

we don't want to hear your crap about how you hate America,

When did I say I hate USA? Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't. Or perhaps you were talking to RougePhotonic? If you did, I would like to point out that it was pretty confusing since you were quoting my post. :)

since this thread is honoring America.

Is it? Strange I didn't notice. Thought it was just showing a picture.

Read my post.

Well, fer one thing, I started writing the post before you posted, meaning I had never seen that post of yours before I posted. Also, I doubt that all thinks the same as you.

:)

obi
02-11-2003, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn

Well, fer one thing, I started writing the post before you posted, meaning I had never seen that post of yours before I posted.
:)

Ah, ok. Sorry bout that, chief. ;)

RpTheHotrod
02-11-2003, 07:03 PM
Holy cow, this thread turned into a war.


The reason I posted this was a reminder to America, of what made America successful and blessed.

Unfortunatly, America turned it's back on God along time ago...and now it's going downhill. The picture was posted to make us all "remember" how America became such a great nation.

In God we trust, one nation, under God.

RoguePhotonic
02-11-2003, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by C'jais
May I suggest a "from cradle to grave" welfare system? I don't know how comfortable you are with socialistic values, but it seems like you want to get away from the laissez-faire of the states.

Or maybe Burma, on second thought.



:confused: not really sure what your saying lol...

You mean get some welfare system from another country?....

laissez-faire don't even know what that is :D

obi
02-11-2003, 07:32 PM
laissez-faire is an economic concept by Adam Smith that states the government should not be involved in controlling the economy.

ZBomber
02-11-2003, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
When did I say I hate USA? Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't. Or perhaps you were talking to RougePhotonic? If you did, I would like to point out that it was pretty confusing since you were quoting my post. :)



Is it? Strange I didn't notice. Thought it was just showing a picture.



Well, fer one thing, I started writing the post before you posted, meaning I had never seen that post of yours before I posted. Also, I doubt that all thinks the same as you.

:)

I wasn't talking about you. I quoted you because I kinda thoguht what you said was funny.

RoguePhotonic
02-11-2003, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
laissez-faire is an economic concept by Adam Smith that states the government should not be involved in controlling the economy.

hmmm...well then nope not tired of that...I don't give a **** about the economy...

Tyrion
02-11-2003, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
Holy cow, this thread turned into a war.


The reason I posted this was a reminder to America, of what made America successful and blessed.

Unfortunatly, America turned it's back on God along time ago...and now it's going downhill. The picture was posted to make us all "remember" how America became such a great nation.

In God we trust, one nation, under God.

So,then, why the hell do we say George Washington or Alexander (His last name escapes me at the moment) helped find the country, if really God did it?

God seems like a dictator to me,anyways...which is against the very ideals of the United States.(And America,for that matter).

But this really doesnt belong here.

CagedCrado
02-11-2003, 11:27 PM
Hey, to all of you atheists..... you will be turned long before you will turn one christian.... atleast they have something to have faith in. You shouldnt bother us about our beliefs. I dont tell you that you have no right to be an atheist. I used to be an atheist at one time, but i was depressed and mean and filled with hate. Somebody who has faith in something, even if it is the all mighty shoe, will be stronger emotionally than someone without faith. I think that atheists live very easy lives not to want something to look for, and along with your anti christian thoughts comes hate for the united states :rolleyes: You dont even criticize all religion usually, and i dont think i did anything to you. Also this wasnt meant to be some religious symbol or anything, just how it looks. Get over it. If you dont have anything nice to say dont post on things like this. I cant believe to you people something so innocent becomes an insult. You are ignorant and closed minded.

Sorry if you dont like that, get over it. Ive been putting up with your stupid remarks for a long time and you will never understand, it isnt about evidence... its about a feeling that you get when you feel connected to god or your deity somehow. I hope that you find it.

CagedCrado
02-11-2003, 11:31 PM
Oh yes, and tyrion.... if god was a dictator hed strike you down and kill you for not believing.... he never did that. He gives you 80 years to be a good person, doesnt necesarily mean you have to believe.... but it helps.

RpTheHotrod
02-12-2003, 12:19 AM
Tyrion, because George Washington DID help found it. I said God made the country great..never said He founded it.

Tyrion
02-12-2003, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by CagedCrado
Oh yes, and tyrion.... if god was a dictator hed strike you down and kill you for not believing.... he never did that. He gives you 80 years to be a good person, doesnt necesarily mean you have to believe.... but it helps.

So? He just kills me later than sooner..and sends me to a fate worse than death..

It's either follow him,or live in Hell.

Gee,that sure looks like dictatorship to me...

I'm an anthesist,and I'm not full of hate. Hell, I never want a war to happen(While some christians *coughcrusaderscough* started wars and had bloodshed in the name of God..). That and it's always nice to ponder my existance,knowing I was created for some purpose(that freaks me out,knowing I was created to do something..knowing that my free will isnt really free will...).

Just because a million people believe in something,doesnt mean it's right. Of course,that goes both ways,but I accept that.

And I dont mind the government,it isnt the best(it's damn good,though, but there's still some things I dont particulary agree about) but I am not gonna put bombs in my shoes and blow up plains(contrary to popular belief:D)).

And the picture was a religious symbol...do you really think Rp would've posted it if it didnt have the cross? He even heavily encouraged(and even posted,I think) that it was about God. So how excactly could it not be interpreted as a holy symbol?

(P.S. in fact,according to some people(most people,actually. obi for one) I could be the nicest and most polite person ever,but if I dont believe in god,down I go when I die...)

It's more of the Christian belief I dont like,not the Christians.

RpTheHotrod
02-12-2003, 12:36 AM
you miss the point, Tyrion.

if it was just "God", I would have posted a cross, no?


I just said, it was an awesome picture. Some people read into things way to bad.

it's just a reminder of how it came to pass.

Tyrion
02-12-2003, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
you miss the point, Tyrion.

if it was just "God", I would have posted a cross, no?


I just said, it was an awesome picture. Some people read into things way to bad.

it's just a reminder of how it came to pass.


The cross(and the title) sure implies that it was a combination of America and Christianity....

But anyways,it's still a good picture.

And can we please get off this subject,it does seem off-topic.

CagedCrado
02-12-2003, 01:55 AM
Im not saying atheists are bad people, but i do think they will be condemned in life by not living it to its fullest. I dont believe that the same god i am talking about would condemn a person to hell just for being an atheist. That is absurd, that isnt right at all. I know a lot of good people who dont believe in god, i also think theyd be better off if they did but thats just how i think... i feel more fulfilled now. I dont feel less important, i feel better. Thats why i believe in god.... its not something you can prove. You have to want it and look for it. I dont believe being an atheist gives you a one way ticket to hell.

Also with the crusades (and it fits in nicely with the if you are an atheist you go to hell thing) is that the church was a political entity, thats why i dont like catholic or mormon churches. I also dont take the bible verbatim or go to church, so i guess i just do it on my own.

Oops. went off topic again.

PS i like the picture.

Eldritch
02-12-2003, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
Unfortunatly, America turned it's back on God along time ago...and now it's going downhill. The picture was posted to make us all "remember" how America became such a great nation.

In God we trust, one nation, under God.

A couple of people have mentioned this now, and as an American, I feel it is not only my right but my duty to set straight some preconceptions I think you might have.

The first people to cross the pond from Europe (that'd be the Pilgrims, folks) came in search of religious freedom - or more accurately, to escape religious persecution.

Apparently, the founding fathers thought that freedom of worship (or religion) was something that they thought was a good thing. However, they also saw fit to exclude and separate religion (very wisely) from matters of government, to keep any one religious group from oppressing another. Well, that was the goal, at least.

But when the Pledge of Aliegence was written, it did NOT, repeat, did NOT contain the words "one nation, under God." That was something that was added to it within the last few decades, and it's been in debate ever since... The reason it's in debate is because many U.S. citizens are NOT Christian, and it's unfair to ask them to recite those particular words if they don't believe in them. In fact, many people choose not to and are criticized, stigmatized, and ostracized by the American society at large simply for exercising their right, as protected by the U.S. Constitution, to worship whatever they want. This is just wrong.

"In God We Trust" is a different matter altogether. The Federal Government can put their trust in whoever they wish - it doesn't infringe indirectly on the citizen's right to worship the same way that the Pledge does.

In closing, I disagree with RPTheHotrod's statement that America became great because of God - I think it's more accurate to say that America became great because the founding fathers gave us the ability to become great ourselves, no matter what God we may (or may not) believe in.

Murdoch
02-12-2003, 07:10 AM
I like it how people think the founding fathers was for religious freedom while they gladly killed of all the heathen indians and enslaved droves of heathen africans. They were not baptised so they had no soul. God doesn't mind if you burn those eh? :/

I don't mind the american way of life(in fact i live it myself and love it) but i do mind it's double standards. Your nation is built on blood just like all the rest.

ShockV1.89
02-12-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by griff38

I think RpTheHotrods picture is a flame itself.

If you are a U.S. citizen and not a Christian , it's very offensive.
If you are Christian and not a U.S. citizen it's very offensive.
If you are not a U.S. citizen or Christian it can still be offensive.

Also remember Bolivians are American, Canadians are American, Terra Del fuagians are American as well as the citizens of about 50 other countries who could not care less about the U.S. flag.

I find that rude and offensive.

How on earth do you find it offensive? By your mindset, I should be offended whenever I see someone elses flag. "Take that down, it's offending me because it's not mine!" Bull, and you know it...

The picture was meant to present a certain point of view. This view was RP (and maybe, maybe the photographers) idea that god blesses america. Whether you agree or not isnt relevant. But the fact that you dont agree doesnt make his posting it rude and offensive. If you dont like it, dont look at it.

YES, it's the "Pledge of Allegience" that U.S. citizens are required to participate in. (in which you say. "1 nation under God")

Bull. Nobody is required to say the pledge anymore. A teacher might give you a hard time in elementary school, but they cant punish you for it. Nobody has to say it. Personally, I never did. I didnt see the point in pledging my allegiance over and over again. I did it once, and until it changes, that first one stands.

Damn, this thread got even worse than I thought it would. IT'S A PICTURE. LIGHTEN UP!

Tyrion
02-12-2003, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by CagedCrado
Im not saying atheists are bad people, but i do think they will be condemned in life by not living it to its fullest. I dont believe that the same god i am talking about would condemn a person to hell just for being an atheist. That is absurd, that isnt right at all. I know a lot of good people who dont believe in god, i also think theyd be better off if they did but thats just how i think... i feel more fulfilled now. I dont feel less important, i feel better. Thats why i believe in god.... its not something you can prove. You have to want it and look for it. I dont believe being an atheist gives you a one way ticket to hell.

Also with the crusades (and it fits in nicely with the if you are an atheist you go to hell thing) is that the church was a political entity, thats why i dont like catholic or mormon churches. I also dont take the bible verbatim or go to church, so i guess i just do it on my own.

Oops. went off topic again.

PS i like the picture.

Since when did I need god to live life to the fullest?

I'm gonna die anyway,so I should just live it to the fullest.:p

STTCT
02-12-2003, 09:34 AM
http://www.hostmysig.com/data/rpthehotrod/americross.jpg


Nice Flag ;)

ShockV1.89
02-12-2003, 09:37 AM
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/flags/ei-lgflag.gif

Theres the Irish flag. How many of you were offended by seeing this? :rolleyes:

STTCT
02-12-2003, 09:40 AM
personally I am very offended by its use of orange...I mean are you trying to poke fun at the fact that our state of alert is orange? Really if you have something to say just say it!;)

How about a Pirate Flag???


http://www.kopes.com/novelties/pirate-flag.JPG

ShockV1.89
02-12-2003, 09:53 AM
How offensive. I find the black used in that flag very rude. Are you trying to imply that black people are associated with pirates? And the patch over the eye. Are you discriminating against halfblind people? Terrible, just terrible. :disaprove

;) :D

STTCT
02-12-2003, 10:30 AM
http://www.smiliegenerator.de/smiley-flag/smiley-1483.png

TheHobGoblin
02-12-2003, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Flanders
I forgot to put some in there.

Didn't mean all of you, only some.

This sounds familiar....
"Damn I was just trying to bash America in a good way. Now everyone got all intelligent."


I have to say something that Gandalf said. This is to all those people who thinks we show off or your sickened by it (Rouge Phonotic, looking at you) "Keep your foul tounge behind your teeth!"
America is my favorite country. I was born here and will die here. No one, NO ONE, can take our liberty away. Thery can't say or do anything to take our dignity away. We have faith. Some other have doubt. I stand by my country all the time.

Matt-Liell
02-12-2003, 12:21 PM
Well it doesn't mean much to me since I'm canadian but at the rate we're going with this overseas business I think Canada and America both need to be blessed.

Eldritch
02-12-2003, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by TheHobGoblin
America is my favorite country. I was born here and died here. No one, NO ONE, can take our liberty away.

America isn't a country, it's a continent (2 of them, actually). And you died here? You communicating with us from beyond the grave? :lol:

And no one HAS to take our liberty away. US Citizens are giving their freedoms (liberty) away every day in exchange for empty promises from the government. We keep going at this rate, and it's going to be 1984 in no time.

RpTheHotrod
02-12-2003, 12:58 PM
lol...this thread has taking quite a quick turn again....lol

Mex
02-12-2003, 12:59 PM
http://members.aol.com/BestOfRom/British-Flag.jpg

Much better.

griff38
02-12-2003, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by CagedCrado
Hey, to all of you atheists..... you will be turned long before you will turn one christian....



AH, to be young again.....

My friend, I was a christian for 20 years before I turned.

100 bucks says more Christians become Atheist than the other way around.

Tyrion
02-12-2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by STTCT
personally I am very offended by its use of orange...I mean are you trying to poke fun at the fact that our state of alert is orange? Really if you have something to say just say it!;)

How about a Pirate Flag???


http://www.kopes.com/novelties/pirate-flag.JPG

You moron!

Black symbolizes that Black people are better than all,so it's racist.

The skeletons say that skeletons are better than black people,and to be specific, half-blinded skeletons! IDIOT!

I demand the color of every skin type,and absolutly no pictures of anything kind from your obviously biased mind.

....

:D

To anyone not Christian, it kinda does say "We're better than you" since there's a cross there.

How would you feel with the words "All Antheists helped make the United States great, not Christianty" around the flag,hmm?

Of course,we're all cynical bastards anyways,so just forget everything I said.:D

RpTheHotrod
02-12-2003, 01:29 PM
Actually, it just says it's an awesome picture.

Eldritch
02-12-2003, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by griff38
AH, to be young again.....

My friend, I was a christian for 20 years before I turned.

100 bucks says more Christians become Atheist than the other way around.

I agree with Griff, here. It's all these young folk that have no experience in the real world that can hold on so tightly to their religion.
I guarantee, once all you die-hard Christians get some life experience under your belt, it'll be much harder to keep your faith.

C'jais
02-12-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by TheHobGoblin
America is my favorite country. I was born here and died here. No one, NO ONE, can take our liberty away. Thery can't say or do anything to take our dignity away. We have faith. Some other have doubt. I stand by my country all the time.

Tell me why you think America is such a great country.

Have you ever lived in other countries, or do you have nothing at all to compare your values with?

Sure, Freedom über alles. And the chance to wield an M60. And let's not forget all the fast food available everywhere.

RpTheHotrod
02-12-2003, 02:51 PM
and don't forget... in America, you can get a pizza delivered to your house faster than an ambulance getting to your house.

RpTheHotrod
02-12-2003, 03:00 PM
hey C'Jais... there IS a cat, can't you see it?

http://scgwiki.iam.unibe.ch:8080/SmalltalkWiki/uploads/12/Black.1.jpg


I'll point it out if I have to by drawing a box around it. It's a little on the bottom right of the screen.

C'jais
02-12-2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
hey C'Jais... there IS a cat, can't you see it?

Nice. Did you make that yourself?


Offended by my somewhat childish .sig, are we?

Eldritch
02-12-2003, 03:17 PM
All I see is a double post by Hotrod.

I happen to like the sig of C'jais. And I happen to agree with him on his comment about the US. I live here, I'm a US citizen, but I've also lived in other countries, so I have places to compare it to. The words mean nothing if you can't back it up with some kind of reason.

C'jais
02-12-2003, 03:37 PM
Guys, don't get me wrong. I think USA is a great nation. You've done a lot to help Europe, too. And I like most of your ideals.

But it's this self-gratitious attitude that bothers me. I don't claim my country is in any way a better country to live in, in fact, I think it's one of the most downright self-satisfied sh*tholes in northern Europe, that can only see how great and tolerant it is.

But I can also see that I have it pretty good, as well. People pay their huge taxes with pride so everyone can get to a hospital for free. We take care of the weak in our society, even if it means we usually ditch the old folks on pensions left to rot and die in loneliness.

But I won't go state that my country sucks donkey arse, or is the high and mighty welfare state it proudly proclaims, until I've experienced living in other countries. Because, y'know, other nations may have it better, despite what I think of them.

From what I've heard on these forums, the States seem very much like Europe. Sure, you have your excessive flag-waving and barbeques, and we have our hate of the German tourists and strange brits, but really, we're more alike than we otherwise tend to think.

Now go kick some Hussein butt for me.

Thanks Aru-Wen.

Reborn Outcast
02-12-2003, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Tyrion
So? He just kills me later than sooner..and sends me to a fate worse than death..

I'm an anthesist,and I'm not full of hate. Hell, I never want a war to happen(While some christians *coughcrusaderscough* started wars and had bloodshed in the name of God..).

Hitler was an atheist was he not?

Eldritch
02-12-2003, 03:48 PM
No problem. You really went to town expounding that point, eh? ;)

C'jais
02-12-2003, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Aru-Wen
No problem. You really went to town expounding that point, eh? ;)

I probably did ;)

I have certain... issues with my society, but the sad truth is that I like it here, and love it regardless. Which I think holds true for you 'mericans as well.

Breton
02-12-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
Hitler was an atheist was he not?

He was christian, I belive. German soliders in WW2 even had "Gott mit uns" carved on their belts.

RpTheHotrod
02-12-2003, 04:27 PM
Hitler...a Christian...lol

Believe me... he was NOT a real Christian.


btw C'jais...there you go again, reading into things and making a statement. I'm not offended by it, nor did I ever say I was.

munik
02-12-2003, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
Hitler...a Christian...lol

Believe me... he was NOT a real Christian.



I'm kinda curious as to how you would know wether or not he was a real Christian. Is deciding who is, or who isn't, a Christian part of being a Christian?

RpTheHotrod
02-12-2003, 05:14 PM
Jews were God's chosen people...but they rejected Jesus and killed him, of coarse.

I still have respect for Jews, because, they were God's chosen people, and that is quite an honor. I'd never go against any of the Jews.


Hiter was insane, a mad killer, and slaughtered the Jews. Horrible, and a true Christian is not evil. Hitler...was evil.


Think of what he did. Now, do you think he's a person walking around with the Holy Bible spreading God's word? No way. You are just trying to start an argument.

Tyrion
02-12-2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
Hitler was an atheist was he not?

He was christian...

I didnt want to bring that up,but...

AutoCept
02-12-2003, 05:38 PM
Come on lets forget the war, it's a nice pic. Leave it at that.

obi
02-12-2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by AutoCept
Come on lets forget the war, it's a nice pic. Leave it at that. What he said.


I am tired of this senseless debate, it was not meant to be that way. He found a picture he liked and wanted to share it. It did not go against the rules in any way, so he could have posted it. If you want to post a picture of Crocodile Dundee shaking Jesus's hand, go for it. If you want to post a picture of Elvis performing a concert in the Heavens, more power to you.


As I read somewhere earlier, "It's a picture, lighten up!"

I back this quote up. If you get torn to pieces over a picture, I feel very sorry for you. It's not like we are coming to your house and disrupting your neighborhood to show you this picture. Don't make a big deal out of something that isn't a big deal.

Eldritch
02-12-2003, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
Jews were God's chosen people...but they rejected Jesus and killed him, of coarse.

I still have respect for Jews, because, they were God's chosen people, and that is quite an honor. I'd never go against any of the Jews.

The reason the Jews rejected him was because in their holy writings, they were expecting a champion, not a savior, which is the reason they chose to free Erebus (sp?) instead of Jesus. So they made a choice they thought was right and freed the general, not the carpenter.

They [the Jews] didn't kill him [Jesus], though. The Romans killed him. In many of their eyes, though, Jesus was the ultimate blasphemer - proclaiming himself the son of God and to know God's will. There are many Jewish people that still think he was a false prophet, so it all comes down to what you believe.

RpTheHotrod
02-12-2003, 07:09 PM
I know the Jews didn't actually do the killing. I'm summing it up.

and yes, they expected the Savior to be a king and champion, one that would remove the opressive rule of the Romans.

Enough of the "discussion" on everything ,please....it's just...a....picture.

ZePhyR
02-12-2003, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by RoguePhotonic
That pictures ****ed really....I mean I hate the u.s but that's not the point....what about all those people that love the u.s. and hate the christian religion.....that flag would be burnt down within hours of being up :p

Ha. You're a fag. Tell your mom hi for me too.

obi
02-12-2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by ZePhyR
Ha. You're a fag. Tell your mom hi for me too.

Don't ever post anything like that again. Consider yourself warned.

TheHobGoblin
02-12-2003, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by C'jais
Tell me why you think America is such a great country.

Have you ever lived in other countries, or do you have nothing at all to compare your values with?

Sure, Freedom über alles. And the chance to wield an M60. And let's not forget all the fast food available everywhere.


I never said it was best. Read my post and point out if I said that.
I know I wrote the wrong thing. I was talking to my bro when I was writing it. I'll fix it. Some people think that showing our patrism is bad (sorry if I spelled that worng went blank from my mind). Post a pic of your flag no one will mind. But notice when an American flag is put on everyone wants to start bashing. Some people need to learn self control.:mad:

CagedCrado
02-12-2003, 10:53 PM
Hitler was into the occult big time..... he wasnt a christian, sorry. You need a good modern comparrison hed probably be one of those loonies killing themselves in an end of the world cult. He was a christian at one time, then he stopped. Im not talking about true christians when i say they cant be turned i mean the ones that are true and really believe in god.... infact, the opposite is true and many people as they get more life experience will turn to god. I used to be an atheist before i had experienced life. I was an atheist, so im not a die hard christian, its not like christians are radicals. Also the only christians that have anything to do with politics or science are the catholics, and i dont like it when you insult christians with remarks like that because i get no benefit from having proof, if tommorrow they proved it all wrong id still pray anyway. Its not something you need to prove, i thought i already said that...

Oh well.... believe whatever you want. I just go with what makes me happy and thats good enough for me. If it doesnt make you happy then i guess thats ok too.

Eldritch
02-12-2003, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
I know the Jews didn't actually do the killing. I'm summing it up.

and yes, they expected the Savior to be a king and champion, one that would remove the opressive rule of the Romans.

Enough of the "discussion" on everything ,please....it's just...a....picture.

You're using the term "savior" when you shouldn't. The jews never expected a savior - they expected a warrior-king.

A savior is for redeeming their souls. A warrior king is for freeing them from oppression and leading them. That's who they expected.

And you opened this can of worms when you posted this thread, so we can discuss things if we want to. :D

Reborn Outcast
02-12-2003, 11:01 PM
*tries to steer back on topic*

Rp Nice pic!!!

Eldritch
02-12-2003, 11:08 PM
Ah yes, the picture. I think it's someone being creative in Photoshop, personally. Especially upon closer inspection.