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access_flux
02-28-2003, 08:16 PM
what do you guys think about virginity? i am dating a virgin and i might get pretty serious pretty soon.... and also i lost mine to a farkin slut, which i wish never happened, but whats your opinion... something to be taken serious or not?

munik
02-28-2003, 11:29 PM
Don't take it seriously. 'Cause you know it's gonna suck, but you're gonna do it anyway. Maybe you can work her in for the rest of the guys. Think of it as a community service :)

Kain
02-28-2003, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by munik
Don't take it seriously. 'Cause you know it's gonna suck, but you're gonna do it anyway. Maybe you can work her in for the rest of the guys. Think of it as a community service :)

i realize that thats probably sarcasim, but wtf? thats the sickest thing i've...nvm

anyways, treat her with respect. I'm a virgin and so is my gf. we intend on keeping that way for a looooooong time.

munik
02-28-2003, 11:45 PM
Attempt at humor I reckon. But not sarcastic.

I mean, c'mon. How many posts have you read about tips or tactics written to help out new players? How many times have you heard someone use the word "noob" in reference to a new player, because being new is less then good? How many players help out a new player, because they know that a player with knowledge of how to play the game proficiently will enjoy it much more, as well as be good competition for his/her opponents?

So, sex is different then? It's better to be inexperienced, unknowledgeable, and ignorant?

Man, if I knew then what I know now about sex, I definately would have had a more enjoyable time, as well as the women I was with.

ET Warrior
03-01-2003, 01:48 AM
I'm a virgin, and I plan to stay so for quite some time.

I have a friend who is well versed in the ways of sex and such, and he's always telling me how he wishes he never would have started, and would have waited. I was already planning on waiting, but he makes me want to wait even moreso.

Luc Solar
03-01-2003, 04:47 AM
There's no point in arguing this (either) if it turns into a religious thing.

Imho: Sex is fun period

* The more you have it the better you get at it (unless you're dumb).

* The better you are, the better you will make you and your partner feel.

It's really that simple. Same thing goes for kissing or giving a massage. Get better --> give more pleasure.

Whether or not someone has had sex before is actually no different from whether or not she/he has kissed/watched the sunset/watched a movie etc.etc. with someone before.

You might think it sucks, but...honestly; what difference does that make? Makes you feel insecure? Can't handle the pressure of "performing"? Well that's your problem, get over it.

Naturally you should both be willing and ready for sex and use protection...blah blah blah....but seeing sex as something Holy that must not be "wasted" is silly.

It's fun, completely free and you never run out of it. It's the best way to show love to your partner and give her/him great pleasure.

And sex is sex whether or not it's just fiddling around or intercourse. I think it's absurd that in the eyes of the majority someone who has been having anal & oral sex daily for a decade is considered a Virgin, 'cause he didn't stick it in the right hole. :rolleyes:

If we're talking about intercourse alone..fine. But imho intercourse does not = sex.

Ok. Carry on :)

FunClown
03-01-2003, 10:35 AM
I guess its a personal choice.

C'jais
03-01-2003, 03:45 PM
If you both feel you're ready, what is holding you back?

Just do it ;)

Darklighter
03-02-2003, 02:18 PM
access_flux, if it starts getting serious, and you feel that strongly for her, you know it's going to happen anyway. If you see yourself as the type of guy to do this for her for the first time in her life, then go for it. Like Mydnight said, treat her with respect, and remember what it must be like for her. You gotta think about how she is feeling.

As for me, I'm still a virgin. I was in my first serious relationship about half a year ago that lasted for a few months. I really thought that it was gonna happen, even when we started fighting and disagreeing with each other about everything. Looking back now, I'm glad she dumped me. I would have hated to lose my virginity to someone like that, I was just desperate I guess.

Now though, I've been going out with this girl for just over a month. She really is amazing, we get on so well, and we have so much in common. She a virgin too, and hasn't had a serious relationship before, so its special for both of us. I'm sure it will happen soon enough. When it does, I'll never forget it.

Azrael
03-03-2003, 01:36 AM
I'm still a virgin, and while I don't plan on being one for a long time, I probably will be anyway. If you know what I mean.:)

Nitro
03-03-2003, 09:48 AM
Sex is a big deal until you've had it... After that it's like drinking milk, or eating cookies.

Rogue Nine
03-03-2003, 10:00 AM
Or doing both at the same time.

ShockV1.89
03-03-2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by munik
Maybe you can work her in for the rest of the guys. Think of it as a community service :)

:rofl: :rofl:

RpTheHotrod
03-03-2003, 12:59 PM
I'll never forget my first true love. She was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen. From her dark, raven hair to her slender, yellow, scaly feet, she was all woman. She loved corn, and could eat it all day with her hard, yellowish lips. "Caw!" she would yell, as a joke, then flap her arms with delight. One day, she was sitting on a fence, and some guy shot her.





btw, I'm joking.

Azrael
03-03-2003, 03:34 PM
lmao, it was the guy in your avatar, wasn't it?

RpTheHotrod
03-03-2003, 07:29 PM
Wow..I even got a private message about that paragraph...lol

shukrallah
03-03-2003, 11:24 PM
im a virgin, im ganna stay one till im married, if i have sex with a girl now, and we break up, it will be like i was having sex with some other guys wife, i wouldnt like that, so ill wait.;)

Ratmjedi
03-04-2003, 03:46 AM
I am a virgin myself but I am not going to wait for it. I use to think that I wanted to wait for it but it is such a hard thing to do. I also am not just going to go out and get it from whoever I can get it from.

If I am going to lose I should lose it to someone that I have strong feelings for at that moment. I can't think back and say I am going to wait to get married and then do it. What if when you do it for your first time she sucks at it or you do? It is better to get expierence and to have some sort of idea of what you are doing. It also get's the I want to do it with someone else feeling out of the picture. You aren't going to get tempted by it and do it just because you are curiouse.

Just make sure that you have strong feelings for that person and then it will be ok. Also of you are going to share something like that with another person make sure that you know them? If you are going to have sex with someone and be intimate it would make sense that you they knew something about you that only you know wouldn't it? You are sharing something with them that shouldn't be taken lightly so just don't go out and do it with a cute chic. Do it with someone that is special to you and that you want to share something with them special.

Also like other people have said make sure that you aren't the only one feeling like that. Make sure that you know what she feels and that she is ok with it. That is why you two should know each other and discuss it. If you talk about it then you will know what her expectations are and wether or not she wants do it or feels the same way. Also don't try to force it cause it will just ruin things.

:lsduel: :duel:

RpTheHotrod
03-04-2003, 12:24 PM
I guess you could put it this way...

It's a week before Christmas day. You decide to open a few gifts and peek inside to see what they are from day to day. Eventually, it's CHristmas day, and you open yor gifts..oh... "yay"...excitement is gone. You already know what everything is.

Sort of like that... if you don't wait till marriage, it's just "another thing you do"


Like someone said, it's like milk and cookies..same ole same ole.

ShadowTemplar
03-04-2003, 01:00 PM
*shrugs noncomittically*

Just wanting to say that "marriage" is an artificial thing. If you live in a paperless relationship that you know is going to last, then you are, de facto, man and wife, IMO.

"Then why not marry, if you love each other?" I hear you cry.

Well, quite simply there can be a lot of reasons not to. Loads of legal stuff can get extremely complicated (mainly if you wish to keep seperate economies for some reason). Of course there is also the fully understandable reason that you do not support Christianity, and therefore doesn't wish to legitimize it by being wedded. We have Freedom of Thought after all, which means that you don't have to abide by such silly, artificial institutions as marriage.

RpTheHotrod
03-04-2003, 06:53 PM
There's no real reason to get married unless you follow the Bible.

C'jais
03-04-2003, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
There's no real reason to get married unless you follow the Bible.

Generally true, as the "holy" aspect of marriage is completely looked over by most skeptics.

However, marriage is a useful institution still - it's like a contract in which you commit yourself to each other. It's got a lot to do with legal issues as well.

And don't forget that among religions, Christianity does not have monopoly on the ideal of marriage.

-s/<itzo-
03-04-2003, 07:30 PM
what can i say...



sex is great.



give it a try. :D

Kain
03-04-2003, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
There's no real reason to get married unless you follow the Bible.

thats utter nonsense! are you saying that there is no good reason for me to get married because me and my gf don't follow the bible? i find that offensive. thats just a nice way of saying that humans are devoid of feelings UNLESS they're Christians.

of course, only a Christian would say that...*leaves it alone before he gets in trouble*

shukrallah
03-04-2003, 10:40 PM
you have to find the right girl, or your marrage will get screwed up, its like this....i couldnt go out with a non-believer, because we would be fighting all the time, just because of my christian views, and her views (whatever they may be). and right now for me it isnt worth havng sex, im 14, no realtionship is going to work out, it would only last a year at the most, why have sex with someone if u know your going to break up with them eventually. it happens to just about everyone.

RpTheHotrod
03-04-2003, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by MydnightPsion
thats utter nonsense! are you saying that there is no good reason for me to get married because me and my gf don't follow the bible? i find that offensive. thats just a nice way of saying that humans are devoid of feelings UNLESS they're Christians.

of course, only a Christian would say that...*leaves it alone before he gets in trouble*


I'm saying...in this day, there is no actual reason to get married, unless you follow the Bible. Yes you CAN get married, and yes it's a GOOD thing to get married (it is a contract, promising eachother's love)....but in this day, there isn't really a reason to get married. People live with eachother all the time never even thinknig about marriage. Why? It costs money, and they are afraid to have a commitment.

Now, do I think it's wrong living with eachother without benig married? Yes...but again, I'm saying in these days, unless you follow the Bible, there isn't a reason to get married anymore.

ShockV1.89
03-04-2003, 11:57 PM
*finally stops laughing from Muniks community service idea*

But seriously... marriage has evolved beyond a christian tradition to something more symbolic, in which a man and a woman stop on the road of life to vow to each other to always be together to the very end, under all circumstances. And then they begin traveling down the road again, together. Marriage is that point at which their journeys through life merge and become one. At least, in my eyes...

I have misgivings about religion. But I hold marriage very, very highly, and I consider it sacred. Anyone who violates marriage, in any way, earns my instant disrespect...

ET Warrior
03-05-2003, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
you have to find the right girl, or your marrage will get screwed up, its like this....i couldnt go out with a non-believer, because we would be fighting all the time, just because of my christian views, and her views (whatever they may be). and right now for me it isnt worth havng sex, im 14, no realtionship is going to work out, it would only last a year at the most, why have sex with someone if u know your going to break up with them eventually. it happens to just about everyone.

Having differing religions shouldn't be a barrier to a relationship. I have a friend who's mother is Catholic and his father is Muslim, two VERY different religions, and they have a wonderful relationship, it just requires understanding and acceptance.

Kain
03-05-2003, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
I'm saying...in this day, there is no actual reason to get married, unless you follow the Bible.

reason: you love that person with your whole being
reason: you want to have children with this person
reason: you want to wake up every morning to that persons face
reason: you want to grow old with that person
reason: you cant think of being with any other person ever again

5 good reasons having nothing to do with that book you put all your stock into.

RpTheHotrod
03-05-2003, 01:04 AM
yes, and that is all possible and frequently done without marriage


again

today, the only real reason to get married is if you follow the Bible.


All this stuff about love/sex/true love/caring/kids/loving together/etc... I hear very often from people who wouldn't get married. To them, livnig together is all that matters...and marriage is just something that costs money, and they are afraid to give a commitment.


I'm not saying I agree with them. I fully believe you should get married...even before sex.

munik
03-05-2003, 01:04 AM
Gotta get married if you don't want to have bastard children.

BigTeddyPaul
03-05-2003, 05:08 AM
The tax break alone is worth getting married.

It costs to be single. WTF is up with that America? (this only counts if you are American at least that I know of)

BigTeddyPaul

C'jais
03-05-2003, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul
The tax break alone is worth getting married.It costs to be single. WTF is up with that America? (this only counts if you are American at least that I know of)

Nah. Like I said, it's got a lot to do with legal issues than anything else for most couples in Europe.

But seriously... marriage has evolved beyond a christian tradition to something more symbolic

[...]

[B][QUOTE] today, the only real reason to get married is if you follow the Bible.

So marriage was invented with Christianity?

There's no such thing as a muslim/viking/buddhist/tribal/jewish marriage?

Do I have permission to laugh my butt off?

ShockV1.89
03-05-2003, 07:55 AM
Yeah, I know, I thought of that after I posted. I really only said that because most people were referring to it as a christian tradition.

Affirmative Cap'n. Understood. Over and out. -C'jais

Kain
03-05-2003, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by C'jais
Nah. Like I said, it's got a lot to do with legal issues than anything else for most couples in Europe.

[B]

So marriage was invented with Christianity?

There's no such thing as a muslim/viking/buddhist/tribal/jewish marriage?

Do I have permission to laugh my butt off?

Permission granted:D at the cost of being condemned to Hell. I think I'm getting what Rp said. Married by the church unless you follow the bible is bad, yes. Thats why they came up with the great idea of making the option that a couple can be married by that state...or is that wrong and heathenistic too?

RpTheHotrod
03-05-2003, 12:54 PM
I'm pretty much talking about marriage in general. Not tax breaks, etc... and I'm not talking about Christianity being the "foundation" to marriage...didn't say that either.

I've met so many people just living with eachother, and I mean they act JUST like they were married, it's almost funny, heh... but to them "Why get married? Its just some love contact signed on paper. We already know we love eachother"

Shadow Templar said

"*shrugs noncomittically*

Just wanting to say that "marriage" is an artificial thing. If you live in a paperless relationship that you know is going to last, then you are, de facto, man and wife, IMO.

"Then why not marry, if you love each other?" I hear you cry.

Well, quite simply there can be a lot of reasons not to. Loads of legal stuff can get extremely complicated (mainly if you wish to keep seperate economies for some reason). Of course there is also the fully understandable reason that you do not support Christianity, and therefore doesn't wish to legitimize it by being wedded. We have Freedom of Thought after all, which means that you don't have to abide by such silly, artificial institutions as marriage."


Now, I'm ALL for marriage, believe me. I'm just saying, people shove out marriage these days because they think there is no reason to get married, that "its more trouble than it's worth". Unless you're in it for benefits (tax breaks), most people I've met say they are just going to live together, because they know they love eachother already.

NOw, what I said about following the Bible (that's a big "religion", if you will, in America, so I stated that one), it says to get married. That's a reason to get married.

Back then, you proved your love by marriage, today, you prove it by...well, hard to say these days, lol.


Again, I believe you SHOULD get married, and that's my plan as well. It's just today, that's one of the largest views on marriage.

Darklighter
03-05-2003, 06:17 PM
You have to take into consideration the fact that people get married all the time nowadays; peope as young as 16 are planning to get married in one or two years (I know two couples at my school who are planning this). I think that a lot of people in a serious relationship feel intimidated by the prospect of marriage, but still ultimately do it because they feel they have to. A lot of people will get married, without knowing if they love each other or not. That's why there are such a large number of divorces; people throw themselves into it because of social expectations.

My personal view of marriage is a varied one. Where I feel that it is a good and decent way to 'bind' the love of two people, and publically secures their permanent relationship status, it can often lead to messy break-ups. Also I agree with the statement that if two people know they are in love, why sign a piece of paper to prove it? People often marry nowadays to conform to expectations set by their society. To some extent, I think marriage is irrelevant, and shouldn't be needed in this day and age.



Oh, and MydnightPsion, please shorten your sig, as it is causing scrolling problems. Thank you:)

ShadowTemplar
03-06-2003, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by Darklighter
Oh, and MydnightPsion, please shorten your sig, as it is causing scrolling problems. Thank you:)

Yeah, that's right (BTW: You might want to size=1 it). Ok, I know that I'm getting into the same kind of problem, but there are some responses that I get tired of repeating, so I just write [*points to sig*].

Shock, would you consider divorce a violation of marriage? Otherwise it's just plain cheating that you refer to, which I frown upon no matter your legal/religious status.

El Sitherino
03-08-2003, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Luc Solar

Imho: Sex is fun period

:wstupid:
i agree. :naughty: anyways i dont see much of a big deal in virginity. i mean theres always a first but why make a big deal out of this its like making a big deal out of your first kiss or heh even your first pet.

El Sitherino
03-08-2003, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
if i have sex with a girl now, and we break up, it will be like i was having sex with some other guys wife, i wouldnt like that, so ill wait. :eyeraise: wtf? how is it like having sex with another guys wife? i recently broke up with my gf but we are still good friends. i had sex with her and i dont regret it. i see no point in "saving" yourself until marriage.

BigTeddyPaul
03-08-2003, 10:02 PM
Umm because odds are she will get married and have sex with her husband. Since he originally had sex with her it would be like sleeping with another man's wife. Reminds me of a skit where this one guy slept with this one girl and he was happy. Then he goes on a game show where you show off who you have slept with. He then smiles and says, "Amy." The announcer then says, "Thats not all. Come on Out." A guy named Anthony steps out and the origianly guy screams, "I NEVER SLEPT WITH HIM!" The announcer states that he hadn't but Amy had. Along with three other guy. {Enter 3 other guys}. And then it goes on from there because they each slept with X many women and so on and so forth. The skit had to deal with how you can never be sure if someone has a sexual disease or not just because they slept with one other person.

BigTeddyPaul

Sifo_Dyas_03
03-26-2003, 02:36 PM
My advice to anyone worrying about virginity is: Don't! At the age you normally worry about it, there are far more important things to be doing, looking after your future being one of them! (Sorry if I sound like a parent - I hope to be a good one one day!)
I'm 20 and still a virgin. I'm not religious, not repulsive in any way, not a recluse, and perfectly normal! For good company I have some great friends, had (until about a month ago) a girlfriend, who incidentally I'm still friends with now, and my family (A seriously undervalued asset by many in our generation).

For sexual fun, there is an endless supply of porn of all varieties out there (I must confess I'm something of a perv... ok... a total perv! :D ). As far as I am concerned, actual sexual intercourse should be something shared between two people who care very much about one another and who want to take their intimacy to the next level, not something that one should indulge in casually (I have many friends who do or have had casual sex who would back me up on that point), and not something that is a finish line at the end of a metaphorical race!


Just my two pence worth (or cents... or whatever currency you put into the phrase).

XERXES
03-26-2003, 04:00 PM
i kept my virginity till i was 17, dunno why...but whey i had sex...it honestly wasnt all hyped up to what i though it would be simply because it was casual.

Sex becomes something more when you are with somebody you truly love.

ZBomber
03-27-2003, 10:26 AM
Yup.... I wouldn't mind dating/marrying a virgin. If you were screwing someone who wasn't a virgin, it would also kinda be like doing another guy.... *shudders*

XERXES
03-27-2003, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
If you were screwing someone who wasn't a virgin, it would also kinda be like doing another guy.... *shudders* oh come on, thats ridicilous.


i would almost perfer to nail a woman who has had sex no more than twice in the past. Its no fun to break in a virgin, trust me.

El Sitherino
03-27-2003, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by XERXES
i kept my virginity till i was 17, dunno why...but whey i had sex...it honestly wasnt all hyped up to what i though it would be simply because it was casual.

Sex becomes something more when you are with somebody you truly love. same here

ZBomber
03-28-2003, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by XERXES
oh come on, thats ridicilous.


i would almost perfer to nail a woman who has had sex no more than twice in the past. Its no fun to break in a virgin, trust me.

Well if you think about it.....

Anyway, wouldn't you want to lose your virginity to the person you want to spend the rest of your life with?

Darth Groovy
03-28-2003, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
Well if you think about it.....

Anyway, wouldn't you want to lose your virginity to the person you want to spend the rest of your life with?

I thought about that too, and looking back now, I wish it did happen that way. I love the girl I am with now, but neither one of us knows what will happen in the future, which kind of makes us trust each other better in a wierd kind of way. I wish I would have lost it to her instead. The girl I lost my virginity too is dead. We broke up and she got back into the drugs and a year later, I read in the front page of our paper that her and her new boyfriend shot each other in a car.

Yes... I wish I would have saved myself for somebody else.:(

Luc Solar
03-30-2003, 08:05 AM
Wow. Now that was inappropriate.

You're really trying to get banned aren't you? I have a hard time understanding why...but who cares.

Lost Welshman
03-30-2003, 08:19 AM
And you say you've read the rules?
I was willing to let it go in that other thread you pointlessly made so I have. But just accusing people of actions of an obscene nature is wrong.

Please dont burp over people, if its all a joke like this *Hits InsaneSith with stick* then fine, but please try and make it so we know you are joking.

Really Sorry to go off topic, I dont know why I'm here, Im 15.

edit - I havent read the rules? Do I need to? lol, I think im safe.

XERXES
03-30-2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
Well if you think about it.....

Anyway, wouldn't you want to lose your virginity to the person you want to spend the rest of your life with? true, there are a lot of different circumstances in which what i said would be false...i think it more or less applies to casual sex.

Darth Groovy
03-31-2003, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by gonk-raider
Talk about over romanticising:rolleyes: Kids these days... tell me sir if you found her body before the cops came.. would you have banged her corpes?? you know.. for old times sake?

I am 28 years old, and judging from the quality of your last few posts, you may want to re-ask yourself who the "kid" really is here.

If you want to argue, at least demonstrate some form of intelligence to your post, and use a little disgression before posting distasteful remarks such as this. In the future you will feel better about this, and won't have to continue to look stupid on the message boards.

Your welcome.

griff38
03-31-2003, 03:04 PM
gonk-raider
Banned
Status: Banned


I was typing a message to the moderators before I noticed they already banned him.
What will happen to his points?

I think they should go to Darth Groovy.

C'jais
03-31-2003, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by griff38
What will happen to his points?

I think they should go to Darth Groovy.

LOL!

Kill him and take his stuff...

Darth Groovy
03-31-2003, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by C'jais
LOL!

Kill him and take his stuff...

:lol: Even I am not that harsh.....:p

XERXES
03-31-2003, 05:45 PM
if you just want the pleasure, there are alternatives... *warning on link* alternative ways... (http://www.ifyoureallywanttoknowandareover18Ihavenowaytos topyoufromPMingXERXESbutIcantletthisstayheresorry. com) :dunno:

El Sitherino
03-31-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by XERXES
if you just want the pleasure, there are alternatives... *warning on link* alternative ways... (http://www.SWARDED!.com/) :dunno: eepy thats creepy. id rather get the stuff myself thank you.

XERXES
03-31-2003, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
eepy thats creepy. id rather get the stuff myself thank you. some people cant, dont have the self confidince to find women. its true.

Bonedemon
04-04-2003, 08:51 AM
Sex is what you put into it. If you say that itīs very sinful unless itīs done in marriage then thatīs that. Youīd feel bad about it if you did it in any other situation.
I think thatīs a waste of time and energy to think of it as sinful as it is of no use. You only deny yourself a lot of fun, like Luc Solar said.
To have romantic illusions about virginity isnīt productive either. In the stone age the avarage time for a relationship to last was 4 years with 1 kid, but increased as more kids were produced. Humans arenīt meant to be together more than that. Evolution says so ;)

SPY_jmr1
04-08-2003, 07:16 PM
OK guys.....!

lets not go NUTS here, or anything...

i'll admit, on the scale of things its not TOO dirty, but geez... you know the rules.

SWARDED!:D

ZBomber
04-09-2003, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by SPY_jmr1
SWARDED!:D

:rofl:
What, this the only place we can talk about you-know-what on LF. :D

El Sitherino
04-09-2003, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
:rofl:
What, this the only place we can talk about you-know-what on LF. :D too bad i cant't tell my stories in here isnt it z?

Darth Groovy
04-10-2003, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by ZBomber
:rofl:
What, this the only place we can talk about you-know-what on LF. :D

Nope.

vegietto
10-23-2003, 12:45 PM
i am 16, an a virgin i am waiting for the right gurl not marriage i am just waiting for the right one but their alot of gurls in my school that our sluts, i mean they arent worth having sex i mean their is hardly any no girls i mean i hope to find someoen soon cause i want to lose it soon

amadeus
10-23-2003, 01:07 PM
I don't know, I'm not gonna make a big deal out of it when it happens to me, if it happens, it happens, it's just something in your life that you can move on from. It's not a huge deal. It's good to be with the right girl, but if you weren't you have no reason to regret it really, unless you got an STD.

And Gonk Raider, that was possibly one of the rudest and cruelest posts I have ever read. I sincerely hope that you can never post on these forums again, because I don't want to hear your mindless disgusting posts ever again.

SkinWalker
10-23-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by amadeus
And Gonk Raider, that was possibly one of the rudest and cruelest posts I have ever read. I sincerely hope that you can never post on these forums again, because I don't want to hear your mindless disgusting posts ever again.


I'd like to point out that his post was B.S. (Before Skin) I made as slight adjustment for the good of the thread. Particularly since the thread was revived by Gonk-Raider.

Gonk, be nice or I will request you be banned. Again.

Kurgan
10-25-2003, 02:30 AM
As I see it, sex is an adult activity (not kid or teenager), and like all adult activities, it entails responsibility.

Irresponsible sexual behavior does as much damage to society as other reckless behavior like drunk driving.


Thus I think people should learn as much as they can from reliable sources and make their decisions that way. They shouldn't rush into sex and shouldn't do it until they're ready.

And they should practice monogamy, not promiscuity.

I know plenty of people on this board will probably say that I'm a prude, blah blah blah, but I see the purpose and benefit of marriage as being an institution for mongamy... to limit the spread of STD's and to provide loving homes for children with two role models male and female.

That's the ideal, and it doesn't always work out that way, but I think that's more beneficial than just a bunch of kids acting like bunnies to get their kicks.

So yes, I'm in favor of responsible sex ed in schools, parents teaching their kids sexual morality, etc and people being responsible. And contraception (though I am against abortion) for those who feel it is moral to do so, but people shouldn't use that as a crutch, because no contraceptive method is 100% reliable and there are side effects to just about every method.


So yeah, if you're a virgin, more power to you, you don't need to have sex to "fit in" with anybody. It's a very personal choice that shouldn't be taken lightly. When in doubt, don't do it.

And if you're not a virgin, you can still practice abstinence (what they used to call chastity) and have a meaningful relationship until you're ready for the responsibility.

If you end up having sex or never have sex, you can still be a good person. It just depends on what you do with that choice.

In my opinion the vast majority (probably all) people under 18 aren't ready for sex. And many of those 18 and older probably aren't either. Heck.. nobody's perfect, but a lot of people you wonder how they can get away with it... sort of like all the people who drive cars now that shouldn't.... but that's another rant.

Tyrion
10-25-2003, 04:40 AM
odds are she will get married and have sex with her husband. Since he originally had sex with her it would be like sleeping with another man's wife

Dont kiss your girlfriend. Because she will probably break up with you(or vise versa) and then she'll kiss with her boyfriend. So it'd be like you kissed a man's girlfriend. Same thing with holding her hand and hugging her. Would you dance with your best friend's girlfriend? So dont dance with your girlfriend, unless you're married to her.

You can kinda see where I'm going with that logic, right? But I still think teens shouldnt have sex(I mean, <20 shouldnt). Too darn unresponsible to handle the possible consquences.

Kurgan
10-26-2003, 05:54 PM
Humans arenīt meant to be together more than that. Evolution says so

Evidence?

The average lifespan of a marriage in the US is supposed to be about 10 years (goes way down for second and third marriages).

Though plenty of people stay married a lot longer than that, and believe it or not, many of those are totally faithful.

And besides, even if true, that doesn't mean we need to start basing our standards off of stone age peoples.

Maybe we should start living in caves and bonking each other with clubs again too! (no offense to any stone age time traveling cavemen using stolen alien technology or weird magic rituals reading this).


PS: Somebody made a comment on page one about how marriage has no point and that to marry you're "supporting Christianity." That's nonesense.

People who are non-Christian get married all the time. When you get married, you can get married in a "civil union" before a Justice of the Peace (judge) all you need is two witnesses. Now it's not very romantic, but it's totally secular. Or you can get married in a Christian church by an ordained (or lay, depending on the denomination) minister, or you can get married in a synagouge, or a mosque, etc (do you honestly think Muslims and Jews get married in Christian churches??), etc.

Every religious group has their own spin on marriage (except for groups that forbid marriage I suppose). For example Gene Roddenberry (creator of Star Trek to non-geeks) and his second wife got married in a Shinto/Buddhist ceremony (they were vacationing in Japan and both humanist agnostics).

While its true a lot of people "live together" (cohabitation) rather than get married or before marriage. The key thing here is committment. If you're just living with somebody, it's often hard to think of it more than just a roommate whom you have casual sex with (not saying everybody, just for instance), whereas with marriage you've already invested time and money into it, made official vows before the public, had support of family and friends, etc. They're "only words" sure, but you're taking the next step towards committment.

Now you might say (and this is legit) marriage is so expensive! We can't afford it! Well, you can always have a small wedding, even a super cheap one (invite a few friends over to the judge's).

Statistically people who live together before marriage (or don't get married at all) are more likely to break up than people who get married. Obviously not all marriages are happy ones, but you can't expect any relationship to be perfect, simply because people are not perfect. That's why they often have the lines in vows about "in sickness and in health, in good times and bad times, for rich or for poor.." etc. people are admitting up front they know that it's not going to all be wine and roses, but they're prepared to meet the challenges together.

cekaikay
10-28-2003, 08:04 PM
I know I may sound cheesy, or old-fashioned, but i truly believe that virginity is a very special thing. I personally believe that since it is something you only have once, that it should only be given away to someone you really love (i.e. a spouse...as in MARRIAGE). If you love someone enough to have sex with that person then you should love them enough to marry them.

That's just my two cents, though.

RpTheHotrod
10-30-2003, 05:22 AM
imho...marriage should be something to prove your true love with eachother, and after marriage, sex. That's how it was meant to be imho. Sex was supposed to be something "special" for someone who stepped into the realm of marriage. These days, people just forget the morals and standards and jump in to have pleasure.

The people who just have sex all the time really took away the whole point. Honestly, what is the point of sex now...to have "fun". Sex was supposed to be a serious thing, and now it's taken lightly, and marriage isnt even in the picture 90% of the time.

ShockV1.89
10-30-2003, 01:57 PM
Well, really, isn't it fun? I think it's pretty fun.

Why make something serious out of it? I mean, it is serious, but not as serious as many seem to make of it.

If you feel sex is a serious thing that should only ever be done between two people deeply in love and getting married, then fine. But dont look down on people who simply want to do it for a good time. It's not like they're hurting anyone (at least, not if it's done right).

Kurgan
11-07-2003, 07:31 AM
While virginity may be important (it's the "starting point" for a sexual life after all) I think "chastity" is more important, since its a long term thing that applies to everyone.

A person should regulate their own sexual activity in such a way as not to harm themselves or society. This is part of responsibility one takes on as an adult.

Thus I feel that children having sexual intercourse isn't a good idea, since they simply don't have the maturity to deal with it. Thus laws on statutory rape and against child pornography are prudent measures to discourage this kind of abuse.

We don't let little kids drive cars or get drunk legally after all, at least not in my country.

If you feel sex is a serious thing that should only ever be done between two people deeply in love and getting married, then fine. But dont look down on people who simply want to do it for a good time. It's not like they're hurting anyone (at least, not if it's done right).

See, that's the thing. I'm not saying everybody who has sex outside of marriage is "hurting anyone" but sadly a large number of them are.

It's similar to the people who get drunk on purpose. Sure some of them "aren't hurting anyone" but a large number of them are.


In the case of casual sex, with less commitment, there is an increased chance that they will be promiscous (even just having two sexual partners each could be a problem). That means increased chances of spreading STD's, increased "unplanned pregnancies" (which could to abortions) etc.

Now I'm not saying all marriages are perfect. Obviously there are people who are abusive to their spouses and people who cheat on their spouses. And there may very well be people who live together and never get married and have a faithful and loving life that's supportive of children. Etc.

But the fact is, the more people are promiscious the more problems get spread around.

If two people are married and one has an STD, at worst they will give their spouse the STD (thanks dear! ; P ). If you have casual sex you risk spreading it to every partner you have. And who's to say people having casual sex will have the same level of intimacy about each other's health and honesty and openness to let them know (sorry I can't do the nasty with you, I've got genital herpes!).

With a built-in committment for marriage, it acts (or is supposed to act) as a safeguard against those problems, especially with pregnancies.

While it's true in today's world women are working and making money (in ages past women might be left totally out in the cold if they were pregnant and didn't have a husband to protect and support them), but statistically even in the wealthiest nation on earth (the US) women make less than men. Also isn't it better to have a loving parent take care of the children rather than some minimum wage daycare worker (who could often care less and has other kids to worry about)?

Anyway, not to get too long winded, but there you go.

Also there's the problem of hurt feelings. If two people are married, there is the understanding that they at least (at the start) intend to spend the rest of their lives with that person and try to remain faithful.

With casual sex, the minimum expectation is that they'll have sex. Granted, it may be more than that, but there's less guarentees of committment long term, especially of the consequences of that sexual encounter. Hence the "one night stand" problem.

Vows are only as good as the people that make them, but the fact is, marriage is designed to limit the problems associated with casual sex, so all irresponsible sexual activity does is dodge those safeguards and create more problems.

Prostitution is another example of sexuality being abused. Sure, the prostitutes are getting money out of the deal, but again you have STD spreading, unplanned pregnancies/abortions, not to mention the illegal nature of the sex trade (with ties to drug abuse, abuse of prostitutes by their clients and pimps, underage prostitution, taking advantage of homeless or poor people, etc).

Some may say that people can only "learn" to have sex by having sex, but isn't that what marriage is about? Learning about each other together? Why can't people do that? Or do they have to have a few flings before they get married? (Never understood that logic personally, but I hear it all the time... usually with the double standard applied that this is natural for men but women who do this are considered "sluts" and therefore undesirable except to be used by men).

And adultery is just as irresponsible as casual sex. Again, if you have a partner who has been faithful, they'll have to suffer from the consequences of their partner being unfaithful and spreading STD's to them, having other children with other partner's, creating jealousy and resentment if they ever find out, etc.

I think this applies equally to men and women. People need to take responsibility for their actions, get informed and plan ahead, not simply treat sex as something that's just "for fun" that has no consequences and requires no forethought.

Again, like the drinking/driving analogy, both are activities I have nothing against, but both are widely abused and result in all kinds of problems for society because people are either improperly informed or they take those responsibilities too lightly. And the people who choose not to engage in those activities, well, more power to them. ; )

FunClown
11-08-2003, 08:13 AM
This topic is interesting.

Recently, one of my friends asked me if I wanted to marry his cousin (for citizenship reasons). He was being serious, I could if I want to, but if I did I don't think I would even sleep with her. Because it wouldn't really mean anything.

The moral for this one is that even if I am married, I still wouldn't neccessarily feel compelled to sleep with her since I wouldn't really have any feelings for her.

toms
11-25-2003, 12:41 PM
virginity is incredibly important until you loose it, at which point you realise that it is completely irrelevant and you would have been much happier if you hadn't worried about it.