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StormHammer
03-30-2003, 07:55 AM
Okay, I got to doodling last night, and decided to revamp my Mara Jade Fan Pic from scratch. I'd always intended her to be on the table of a cantina or something, so i came up with this...

http://www.robertbowen.co.uk/MaraSketch1.jpg

I'd appreciate any feedback, so I know I'm on the right track...or not...before I colour it. ;)

GonkH8er
03-30-2003, 08:31 AM
It's awesome stormy... she doesnt look 55 years old like she did in the last one :) I thought she was some kind of hideous witch.....


Looking fannnntastic matey ;)

And when you gonna get round to that gonk death picture u were gonna make me? :D


Can't wait to see this one coloured, if you're going to colour it :)

Wacky_Baccy
03-30-2003, 08:32 AM
:eek:

Wow! Damn, I really wish I could draw that well :(

IMO, you're certainly on the right track Stormy - most impressive! :D

*edit*
Posted by GonkH8er
It's awesome stormy... she doesnt look 55 years old like she did in the last one :) I thought she was some kind of hideous witch.....*giggle* Well that's one way to put it... I prefer to be a little more diplomatic :D

Lost Welshman
03-30-2003, 08:32 AM
WOW, very good Stormy.

Maybe you could tidy up her hair a bit?

Apart from that its amazing, you're very talented. Keep it up.

GonkH8er
03-30-2003, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy

*giggle* Well that's one way to put it... I prefer to be a little more diplomatic :D


Don't get me wrong, it was a fantastic piece of artwork... It just didn't look like her in my opinion :) Awesome nonetheless....

Wacky_Baccy
03-30-2003, 08:47 AM
Posted by GonkH8er
Don't get me wrong, it was a fantastic piece of artwork... It just didn't look like her in my opinion :)Ahh.. It makes sene now :)

Awesome nonetheless.... It certainly was :D

Higginson
03-30-2003, 10:02 AM
Tht is a very good peice of work, keep it up. i do draw a little myself, but no where nere as good as tht :( u may be the next picasso!:p

Reborn Outcast
03-30-2003, 10:04 AM
Looks good!!! But I have to agree with Gonk on your last one. :D

Katarn07
03-30-2003, 10:48 AM
Cooool.

That looks alot better. It reminds me of the Ka'pa the Hutt level from MotS while you go through the cantinas to get to the skylight... That is really amazing. I like that one alot better. Hope you do a painted version as well.

I love the alien's features, along with the tipping cup and card game. I didn't notice the Ithorian on the balcony at first, nor the shadows up there. Very good ;)

leXX
03-30-2003, 10:55 AM
Wow, very good indeed. Just one thing... maybe you could make her a little...well...more attractive, and make the hair more neatly flowing.

Katarn07
03-30-2003, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by leXX
Wow, very good indeed. Just one thing... maybe you could make her a little...well...more attractive, and make the hair more neatly flowing.

You didn't see the painting... did you??? :D :p :D

This is alot better, and never tamper with something that good. When I tamper with my art, it ends up all erased and in the trash all because a simple remark like, "That legging is to big." or "The sgt stripes are to small." "Add a T in there." "Put a infantry marking on his helmet." "Why do you always put a cigerette in the guy's mouth?"

My response to the last one should be, "I don't know? The guy is just standing there by a bombed-out Frenh village, is not in combat, and all the others end up in the trash because of you!"

leXX
03-30-2003, 11:08 AM
I have A Level Art. If there is one thing I've learnt, it's that it's better to have good constructive critisism rather than hearing... 'oh it's excellent' all the time. I'd much rather someone was truthful with me, because that is the only way we ever improve. :)

He posted his picture here to hear feedback, and that is what I'm giving him. I feel a lot of people are not honest when giving people feedback. I'm always honest.

Katarn07
03-30-2003, 11:27 AM
Well, I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with her hair, but if there was something to fix on the face to give her a more feminine look, I have ne clue what it'd be, so I'll keep my mouth shut so if you do decide to correct it, you won't correct the wrong thing because of me.

leXX, I think you should say what is wrong with the face to make it more useful constructive critism.

RoM[Chrono]
03-30-2003, 04:46 PM
Wow. I wish i could draw like that. :(

Katarn07
03-30-2003, 04:54 PM
It's not that I can't draw that, (well, my face for Mara would have alot more contructive critism than what leXX gave) but I cannot shade like that.

How do you do that? I can do the outline, but not the shading. What does one use for that.

Why did I sign up for Spanish over Art? Man, I could have done alot better things with art than how to cojugate in 3 different tenses and not knowing any vocab...

StormHammer
03-30-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by GonkH8er
It's awesome stormy... she doesnt look 55 years old like she did in the last one :) I thought she was some kind of hideous witch.....

LOL :D Yeah...I'm inclined to agree with you. Mind you, maybe that's how she turns out in the end...

And when you gonna get round to that gonk death picture u were gonna make me?

Don't worry, mate. I haven't forgotten. I already have a very rough colour scene sitting on my HDD...but I've been waiting for my skills to catch up with my concept. It's going to have some serious work done on it soon. ;)

Can't wait to see this one coloured, if you're going to colour it

Yep. It will definitely be coloured...eventually. ;)

Originally posted by leXX
I have A Level Art. If there is one thing I've learnt, it's that it's better to have good constructive critisism rather than hearing... 'oh it's excellent' all the time. I'd much rather someone was truthful with me, because that is the only way we ever improve.

He posted his picture here to hear feedback, and that is what I'm giving him. I feel a lot of people are not honest when giving people feedback. I'm always honest.

I absolutely agree with you 100%. I want as much constructive criticism as possible, and I'd prefer people to be entirely honest. although perfection is an unobtainable goal (simply because an artist is never happy with their work), I try my best to strive for it. I've got a way to go yet, and for anyone afraid to hurt my feelings...don't be. That sketch still needs work. :)

I agree that the hair needs some work to tidy it up, and her features need a little tweaking to make her more attractive. The roof and balcony also need work.

Originally posted by Katarn07
How do you do that? I can do the outline, but not the shading. What does one use for that.

Well, I've answered your PM on this...but for anyone else interested...

I used a standard A4 sketch pad, and 3 Staedtler Tradition pencils, graded F, 2B and 4B. I started with F (the harder grade), to sketch the outlines lightly, the 2B for standard shading and the 4B for darker areas.

Shading is all about determining the key light sources. Without light, we wouldn't be able to see a thing...so pinpointing the light source is immensely important. Obviously anything facing the light will be brighter, and it will be darker on the side facing away. In this scene I mainly focused on the lightsaber as the light source...and I really need to take into more consideration the hole in the roof, and the blaster bolt going over the Rodian's head. Basically, anything that obstructs the light will cast a shadow...softer shadows for more ambient lighting, and harder shadows for brighter light sources.

Anyway...you're right about the scene in MotS, Katar07. ;) It was originally going to be a cantina, but I decided to go for the scene where Mara 'drops in' on the Hutt. ;) All I need to do now is grab a screenie to get the necessary details for the background.

Thanks for all the feedback so far. I appreciate it. :)

The Truthful Liar
03-30-2003, 07:12 PM
Although it's probably to late keep in mind that the hands seem rather masculine, you might want to tone them down abit to a more slim/slender degree. :-)

Psyk0Sith
03-30-2003, 07:42 PM
Excellent. My only critic would be her nose and eyes...they could be more feminine.

Personnaly i like constructive critisism, when i create my 3D models i think its very important to have feedback. Sometimes people can point out details that i missed and it makes a big difference in the end.

Amazing piece of work you got there, cant wait to see the final product!.

wassup
03-30-2003, 07:55 PM
Very nice overall. But you gotta fix her nose...the nostrils are way too big. :D Oh and her hair, make her hair more flowing and fuller.

Katarn07
03-30-2003, 08:00 PM
I copied your drawing all free hand, with a few minor (well, all except for one change) changes.

The main change is I made the person on the table Kyle with his saber aglow, only the blade is over his head instead of the other way.

The blaster on the bottom left is a DL-44 without a scope, I am still giving it a personalized touch, maybe some weathering on the muzzle...

The room looks a bit different. I intend to add some neon lighting for Miller Lite (in the SW alphabet of course!), add a few booths below the balcony, and add a droid scanner to the doorway (which is not the arch-like one you made, I made it a bit different, not sure how to describe it)

Both the Rodian and the Gran are there, but I intend to add a few attackers in the balcony, such as adding a blaster to the Ithorian and putting a Trandoshan where that shadow is on yours. Also, I changed the Rodian's outfit to the classic Greedo orange vest and jumpsuit, and the Gran is wearing what they do in JK and JO (Ree Yees outfit).

I am unsure of what to put on the table. I got a Corellian Ale bottle replacing your glass (will add Miller Lite on the label), may or may not add the cards, and if I do, will be sure to put some poker chips flying away with the rest of the table.

This is by far my best work for a Kyle picture. I plan on somehow getting it scanned and sending it to Acke with the proper note saying:

Although this picture was drawn completely free hand and not traced, the action pose of Kyle's and scene were inspired by Rob 'Stormhammer' Bowen's (hyperlinked) untitled sketch.

Thanks for getting me to draw again Stormy! Last picture I drew was weeks ago, and because of my friend, ended up in the trash because I erased his head about a half a million times...

*** I am printing that sketch so I don't have to sit here and do it... Also, you can see I am not that great of an artist since I have to copy someone else's work... :( Also, I have no clue where to shade despite your tips about the lightsaber. I'll run off some copies before coloring it and shading it. I don't do backgrounds well, just people. Aliens are easier than humans, too... Also, I got a tip for Mara. She looks cross eyed and her face is to bony. I think that is it. Might be wrong... :confused:

StormHammer
03-30-2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by wassup
Very nice overall. But you gotta fix her nose...the nostrils are way too big. :D Oh and her hair, make her hair more flowing and fuller.

Nah...I don't think the nostrils are too big...I over-shaded the tip of her nose so it looks wrong. Well spotted. ;)

Katarn07...glad to be of help. ;) Was your friend being overly critical? Rule number one when writing/drawing...I never ask close friends or family members, because I usually find they're biased or just plain mean. I'd rather ask the level-headed people on these forums...

Oh...and you need to get a scanner - or borrow one. I'd like to see your work. :)

de.Legion...yes, I can see that the hand holding the lightsaber is a little too large and over-defined. *scribbles another entry on to-do list*. Thanks. ;)

Katarn07
03-30-2003, 11:46 PM
Here it is. My little sister sat on it, so I intend to restart it. Since I will restart it, give me all the critism you want so I know what to correct. It is unfinished, like his belt, left hand, saber hilt, Trandoshan in balcony, Rodian, Gran, table needs something added to it, etc.

http://home.attbi.com/~pahnke6/wsb/media/150725/site1068.jpg

Here is a year old picture I dug outta a folder of my art work. I'd show it all to you guys, but I ran outta webspace due to my massive SW collection!!! Anyhow, here's Luke. I am not correcting anything, I am very pleased with this one, not that I don't have some better ones in that folder...

http://home.attbi.com/~pahnke6/wsb/media/150725/site1066.jpg

wassup
03-31-2003, 12:31 AM
Hehe not bad K07. Though Kyle's a tad...um...fat...:D

Pedantic
03-31-2003, 12:43 AM
Ummm...pretty good, but I agree that Kyle needs to visit Subway more often and Luke's face looks slightly...Beavis and Buttheadish. Sorry. :)

StormHammer
03-31-2003, 01:18 AM
You've got some nice work there, Katarn07. :thumbsup:

I especially like the picture of Luke...nice level of detail, and it's all in proportion. :) The face does need a little work. Here's an idea if you want to explore shading on your existing sketches...scan-&-print or photocopy them, and try shading the copies. That way, if you make a mistake, you leave the original untouched. ;) The other advantage of doing this is that you can explore shading from different light sources coming at different angles on the same character.

Good attempt on the Kyle pic, too. His head needs to be slightly larger, and you can fill out his chest a bit more, while slimming his waist. Be sure to let us all know when you've finished it. :cool:

Ratmjedi
03-31-2003, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by Pedantic
Ummm...pretty good, but I agree that Kyle needs to visit Subway more often and Luke's face looks slightly...Beavis and Buttheadish. Sorry. :)

That was so funny Pedantic :rofl:

No offense of course Katarn07 but like someone said above you need to improve on the face and Kyle's gut. Other than that it looks good and I like your Skywalker. Looks real good.

As for Stormhammer I think it looks good except for the hair. She looks like she is wearing a Medusa wig. The eyes look a little pyscho too. May want to not make them that odd looking. And I was wondering about the blaster shot cause it looks like one went through her hand and like the other one is about to too. But other than that it looks awesome man. Something that should belong in a comic book :D

:lsduel: :duel:

Katarn07
03-31-2003, 11:09 AM
Well, I don't really wanna make a cool picture and say I copied off of someone.

So I restarted not only the picture, but the whole concept.

He is still in the JK outfit, but has a Bryar Pistol in his right hand and the data disk of the message of Morgan in the other. He is turned around while running, blasting at an unseen foe. I plan on copying it when doe with Kyle, adding a background and have fun shading it.

I want your opinions since I left his torso, limbs, and weapons unfinished, but the camera I used disappeared! Grr, I have to go look around my neighborhood to find out who's it was and if I can borrow it for my own stuff.

Zulu
03-31-2003, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by StormHammer
Okay, I got to doodling last night, and decided to revamp my Mara Jade Fan Pic from scratch. I'd always intended her to be on the table of a cantina or something, so i came up with this...

http://www.robertbowen.co.uk/MaraSketch1.jpg

I'd appreciate any feedback, so I know I'm on the right track...or not...before I colour it. ;)

Thats awesome....i myself am artistically impaired :S

Darth Groovy
03-31-2003, 01:08 PM
*gives stormhammer 99%*

I can't draw, nor do I claim to be an artist. I like doing gag posters though:

Checka dis out:

http://www.themanipulation.com/jeezum%20.jpg

http://www.themanipulation.com/saturday.jpg

http://www.themanipulation.com/groovyfinger2.jpg

http://www.themanipulation.com/theman.jpg

Katarn07
03-31-2003, 02:01 PM
I like the rest better, Groovy. Especially the Goldfinger Grooveyfinger one :D

Also, I would like to show you this picture so you all say if he's to fat or has too small of a head. I am not sure he is for either of those, but I do know his legs are a tad to long.....

I plan on adding a neon lit sign behind him to be the light source, along with the blaster bolt that is exiting the page and entering an unseen cronie of 88's....

Also, Kyle's beard is not colored in, but instead I did each individual hair. Looks alot better, so I can show it being lighter in some areas than others.

Now why I came here, question for Stormy.
How do you know where to put the folds in clothes? I got Kyle somewhat posed like Mara, excluding his right arm which is facing downward. I am unsure as to where I would put the folds where the gauntlet wraps around and where the shoulder pad's band wraps around his bicep.... Also, have any suggestions how to make his hair more realistic instead of like a Ken-doll's?

Darth Groovy
03-31-2003, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Katarn07
I like the rest better, Groovy. Especially the Goldfinger Grooveyfinger one :D

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Yeah Jeezum Crow was not all that popular, it went streight to DVD pretty much. And Saturday Night Groover was like only released to private audiences in Tazmania, but has a large box office draw in Fiji.

Next movies coming up will be more successful, no worries!;)

StormHammer
03-31-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Katarn07
Now why I came here, question for Stormy.
w do you know where to put the folds in clothes? I got Kyle somewhat posed like Mara, excluding his right arm which is facing downward. I am unsure as to where I would put the folds where the gauntlet wraps around and where the shoulder pad's band wraps around his bicep.... Also, have any suggestions how to make his hair more realistic instead of like a Ken-doll's?

Okay, here's a simple tip...go and put a long-sleeved sweat-shirt/jumper on...something a little baggy, and stand in front of a mirror. No, I'm not joking, and I haven't taken leave of my senses. Now move your arms around, twist your body, bend over...and keep an eye on the sweatshirt in the mirror. You should see that as you move, it creates folds in certain places. Usually, the folds tend to follow the line of action or movement. If you cross your arms in front of you, you'll see vertical folds down your front, if you bend over, horizontal folds, and so on. Getting realistic folds in cloth is sometimes difficult, and sometimes reality looks a bit odd on paper, so you have to find the right balance between realism and what feels right.

As far as anything pressing onto cloth, depending how tight the cloth is against the skin, you should see some puckering or gathering around the edges of that object, whether it's a belt, shoulder pad, the top of a boot, etc.

Anyway...using your own reflection as reference is such an obvious thing to do that few people ever think to do it. :)

Regarding hair...well, hair is very tricky. You can aim for realism, and try to render every strand, or just try to capture the effect of light and shadow. Again, you should refer to a good picture, or your own reflection, and really study how the light interacts with your hair. Keep in mind that hair itself is a fair light reflector, and don't forget about partings (left, right, centre). Because hair follows the contour of the head, remember to shade in a curve, from darker to light. Remember also that if you are going to have strands of hair across shoulders and the face, they will cast some shadow, which helps to place them in 3D space.

Looks like I'll have to write up another tutorial with examples soon. :D

Katarn07
03-31-2003, 03:15 PM
Thanks. All I need now is a long sleeved shirt... :rolleyes:

I got the shirt torso down with that advice, I'll have to find a jacket or something for the sleeves. As for hair, I'll just experiment on another sketch until I have the right style I want.

StormHammer
04-01-2003, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Katarn07
Thanks. All I need now is a long sleeved shirt... :rolleyes:



LOL. :p

Glad to be of service. :cool:

Anyway, I've revamped my web site a bit and added some new content. You can check it out here (http://www.robertbowen.co.uk).

Katarn07
04-01-2003, 11:23 AM
Grrr, gotta get a scanner!

I have finished most of Kyle. After many attempts on his arms, my mom (who actually has constructive critism) got me to get his arms the right size. I have not detailed them yet, nor his legs which I do not think look right. Still not to pleased with his hair, but other than that, it looks good.

Once I get it up here, get your guys feedback, and finish it, I'll copy it and add a background. Kyle has no saber in Nar Shaddaa, so I was thinking Baron's Hed or something as the backgrounds...


By the way, of your unreal sketches, this one caught my eyes and I think it is awesome.

http://www.robertbowen.co.uk/GinavTitan.jpg

I also like the stranded Bounty Hunter, is that new? I don't remember seeing it. Keep up the good work ;).

StormHammer
04-01-2003, 03:27 PM
Thanks again, m8. :)

That sketch still needs some work...although I'll probably make the necessary changes when I colour it.

The stranded Bounty Hunter has been sitting on my HD for about a year...I just never got around to finishing it, or showing anybody before now. I'm glad you like it.

What did you think of the site design?

Anyway...about getting a scanner...you might be able to find a cheap second-hand one somewhere that'll do the job. :)

Katarn07
04-02-2003, 11:03 AM
Well, I don't like the site any better than the last, but it is no worse. What I liked was all the new content. And if it wasn't new, than I like the new site better because I didn't see any of it there before...

Now for a question

Originally quoted by Stormhammer at his site in the 10 Tips
4. If you want the focus of the picture to be an object or person, try to keep the background a bit hazy. It is tempting to add a lot of detail...but if you do, you will need to work all the harder on the main object of attention to make it stand out. It's often better to keep background details hazy and out of focus.

I have made a background by tracing Kyle's outline onto another peice of paper. If I had a camera, I'd show you. Tell me if this sounds like it has too much detail.

1) Zabrak bartender diving behind the bar, knocking over some glasses. Dressed in the pedestrian clothes men do in JK1.

2) Neon-lit sign over bar with Max's head (from Sam and Max) on it and it says some stuff in the SW alphabet on it (Welcome to Max's Place).

3) Bottom right hand corner, there is the head of a Gran facing upward as he screams, an arm is seen on the right edge of the paper. He was killed by Kyle just now before Kyle spun to face an unseen foe elsewhere in the bar.

4) Bottles, glasses, pitchers, etc are on a shelf behind the bar and it takes up the entire page.

I will snap a shot of this page as well as the real one of Kyle when I get the camera. In the meantime, if possible, tell me if that sounds like to much. Also, what do you mean out of focus? Like the Ithorian in the balcony of your sketch? In mine, Kyle is right at the bar, just spinning around (similar to what he does in JO after the Chiss sets him up)

StormHammer
04-02-2003, 11:35 AM
It sounds like a good scene. :)

I would say the closer a character or object is to your main character or focus, the more detailed it should become. Take my scene, for example. I lavished a bit more detail on the Gran and Rodian, because they're right next to Mara. But Mara still has more detail, and darker lines and shading to make her stand out. I mean...you don't want to spend a load of time making all of the bottles in the background look great, and give them all detailed labels. What's the point? Kyle is your main focus, so obviously he should get the most attention when it comes to detail. Just sketch in some bottles (lightly), do some squiggles for text, if need be, and let them fade into the background. Of course you can still have other characters in the scene...and yes, the Ithorian in my sketch is a good example. He's still got a little detail, but he's not too prominent. I deliberately avoided using dark lines, and didn't use a great deal of shading.

So if you've got characters behind Kyle, sketch them more lightly, and give them enough detail and shading for you to see who or what they are, and where the light is coming from. If you have a character very close to Kyle, then spend more attention on them and make them more prominent. Just ensure that Kyle is even more greatly detailed, with crisper lines and some darker shading to make him stand out among the crowd.

Hope that helps. :)

Katarn07
04-02-2003, 11:42 AM
That helps. The bartender is right there, so he would be more detailed, as would the dead Gran. I was just going to make weird glass on a shelf, something out of the original Star Trek. I have pinpointed the light sources (saber, neon sign, stray blaster bolt + splash, and Bryar pistol's muzzle... lots in other words.) I'll get that camera tonight and post the picture and the background...

StormHammer
04-03-2003, 06:31 PM
I finally got around to finishing the picture I promised Gonkh8er...oooh, a while ago now. ;) He said he liked it, so I thought I'd share it with you too...

http://www.robertbowen.co.uk/gonkattack.jpg

As before, I'd appreciate any feedback. Be as critical as you want. ;)

Wacky_Baccy
04-03-2003, 07:01 PM
Posted by Stormy
I finally got around to finishing the picture I promised Gonkh8er...oooh, a while ago now. ;)

[...]

As before, I'd appreciate any feedback. Be as critical as you want. ;) "It was well worth the wait" :D

;)


As for criticism... The redness of Vader's(?) sabre is a little too washed-out... It could do with being a bit more menacing... It's sorta... pink :D

The Emperor-like dude could look a bit meaner and more annoyed, too, but other than that it's fantastic - lovely lighting and detail, as usual from you mate :D :thumbsup:

GonkH8er
04-04-2003, 04:48 AM
It's FANNNNNNNNNNNNNTASTIC :)


Funnily enough, the emporish guy kinda looks like me :) Add a little dark tringle of hair under his lower lip and it'd be pretty damn close :)



Thanks heaps stormy. I'll treasure it forever :D

StormHammer
04-04-2003, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy
As for criticism... The redness of Vader's(?) sabre is a little too washed-out... It could do with being a bit more menacing... It's sorta... pink

Yes, I agree. I was having problems trying to get it right. :( For some reason it just didn't come together this time. I'll have to brush up on doing sabers again.

Originally posted by GonkH8er
Funnily enough, the emporish guy kinda looks like me Add a little dark tringle of hair under his lower lip and it'd be pretty damn close

Heh...the reference pic I used was a bit too grainy. :D I saved those pictures too, you know, Gonk. :naughty:

Thanks for the feedback, guys. ;)

StormHammer
04-04-2003, 12:25 PM
Here's one for all you Quake 2/4 fans out there...

http://www.robertbowen.co.uk/QuakeIV1024.jpg

Be sure to let me know what you think...and give me some feedback on my site, if you so wish (address in my sig).

Twi'Leks, Jedi battles and others in the works... =D

mima kake
04-04-2003, 12:35 PM
The dutch will understand.
Or maybe not.:D

http://www.chatpoint.com/chat/photoalbums/357206_109518.jpg

GonkH8er
04-04-2003, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by StormHammer
the reference pic I used was a bit too grainy. :D I saved those pictures too, you know, Gonk. :naughty:


:eek: you used a picture of me?

How wude!!! :)

Agen
04-04-2003, 06:26 PM
He's flattered... you know you've done a good job stormie :D

GonkH8er
04-05-2003, 11:12 AM
by the way stormy, that strogg pic is lookin pretty tuff :)

Kstar__2
04-05-2003, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by mima kake
The dutch will understand.
Or maybe not.:D

http://www.chatpoint.com/chat/photoalbums/357206_109518.jpg


i don't :xp:



chatpoint? pretending to be a 17 year old girl are we mima?:p :D

Katarn07
04-09-2003, 10:58 PM
I was going to wait to comment on your work when I got that camera, but it ain't happening anytime soon... :(

I agree with the pink saber. And the Emperor dud would look more menacing if you did what was suggested.

Also, that Quake thing is awesome. I'm glad you explain your art on your site. It makes alot more sense. (check his sig if you are as baffled as I was)

Anyways, hope you back here soon. ;)

coolio681
04-10-2003, 02:15 AM
damn you are a hella good artist! how long did it take you to draw like that? Did you take art clases.:D