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mariners2001
03-31-2003, 08:27 PM
Seeing as JKIII is all but confirmed by LucasArts I decided a petition should be formed for this aspect of the game.

After playing such games as Tomb Raider and Indiana Jones...I think it's safe to say this would be a logical and significant addition to the game.

Think TPM, where Obi-Wan gets unfairly pushed off the ledge in teh midst of a duel with Darth Maul and grasps onto something on his way down. Being able to grab a ledge on the way down or even if you're making your way up areas...this feature is an essential...

Futhermore, this would definitely add more balance to the game when you are being mobbed by the Grip/Push-whores (lol) and you want a chance for survival rather than cuss them out later on...I can't think of a better way to balance this than the ability to grab a ledge...It is a natural movement and I can't see any reason for this not to be included...

Please sign if you want to see this included in JK3. And all involved with the making of the game, it would be great to hear your thoughts/concerns with this addition.

After all, anything in the movies must be in the game right? ;)

DarkLord60
03-31-2003, 08:34 PM
Heck Ya!

boinga1
03-31-2003, 08:34 PM
yeah, why not. of course, then, the jumping will be much harder because they will put the ledges further away in SP....hmm....maybe just in MP but not SP.

Prime
03-31-2003, 09:21 PM
I could take it or leave it. It might be kind of neat, but I'd be just as happy if they left it out. Imagine, running around an MP map like ns_streets and seeing all these people hanging from ledges. Sounds pretty lame to me...

mariners2001
03-31-2003, 09:42 PM
I could take it or leave it. It might be kind of neat, but I'd be just as happy if they left it out. Imagine, running around an MP map like ns_streets and seeing all these people hanging from ledges. Sounds pretty lame to me...

Well...while I see what you're saying, I personally think some sort of timer can be implemented or maybe as long as you hold onto the ledge your forcemeter drains? I think Raven could work this out right if they tried.

ryudom
03-31-2003, 09:49 PM
it'd be hard to grab on to a ledge while holding a missile launcher... with brings something to mind... i want fists!!

Emon
03-31-2003, 11:52 PM
Polling for something as unimportant as this when we haven't got a clue as to what could be in the game yet is really ****ing stupid. Honestly guys, a petition to make LEC make Raven make it so we can grab onto ledges in the game?? I think you need to be worried about the much more important aspects of the game at this point.

mariners2001
04-01-2003, 12:23 AM
All right Emon. I'm sorry for seemingly offending you. lol But small things like this do have an effect on the game...But you are entitled to your opinion...as are we.

Luc Solar
04-01-2003, 01:55 AM
Ledge-grabbing? Sure, in SP that would be nice. Not that I've missed it or anything...but more options is always good. :)

I doubt it would be a great thing in MP, though... think about a saber only game - your about to beat the opponent when he suddenly jumps and grabs a ledge. You can't get to him unless you grap the same ledge and while hanging you can't use your saber. So you wait for him to get healed and his force pool filled. :D

Back to square one, yes? Time to type "OMFG U LAM3R NO HONOURZ!!"?

I see a lot of possibilities for laming. Kinda like "/amsit". MP should be kept simple. And by simple I mean "no silly abusable stuff".

razorace
04-01-2003, 02:15 AM
And thus starts the additional "foot stomping on hands" action petition. :)

Darth Lunatic
04-01-2003, 02:48 AM
A big fat yes to ledge grabbing.

Neko Lain
04-01-2003, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by razorace
And thus starts the additional "foot stomping on hands" action petition. :)



lol, that's actually not a bad idea

SettingShadow
04-01-2003, 04:11 AM
I vote... yes.

Originally posted by Luc Solar
Ledge-grabbing? Sure, in SP that would be nice. Not that I've missed it or anything...but more options is always good. :)

I doubt it would be a great thing in MP, though... think about a saber only game - your about to beat the opponent when he suddenly jumps and grabs a ledge. You can't get to him unless you grap the same ledge and while hanging you can't use your saber. So you wait for him to get healed and his force pool filled. :D

Back to square one, yes? Time to type "OMFG U LAM3R NO HONOURZ!!"?

I see a lot of possibilities for laming. Kinda like "/amsit". MP should be kept simple. And by simple I mean "no silly abusable stuff".

I agree, but, if you be able to pull him down it would even it out a bit, and make less people use it like that. So, I want a pullable Ledge-grabbing :)

Russ
04-01-2003, 04:43 AM
I'm all in for ledge grabbing. Sounds really good. You should have a grip bar like in MGS2.

HertogJan
04-01-2003, 05:01 AM
YEAH!! Yeah that would be cool, but should it work in first person perspective too?? Or only when holding a saber (3rd person)??

Anyway, I think it would be nice to limit it to like 10 seconds, maybe a bit less... OR wait, maybe ledge grabbing should use mana?? Of course that could lead to unfair situations, when ppl don't have mana left...

Hekx
04-01-2003, 05:25 AM
Climb ladders too! :D

Lord_Plo_Koon
04-01-2003, 06:37 AM
It is a must. I always like to recreat famouse battles in multiplayer and i need this to be obi-wan.

Russ
04-01-2003, 08:48 AM
Dangling off ledges, climbing ladders, and maybe even scaling walls (with a special pickup) sounds good. I'm all up for it

Kengo
04-01-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by razorace
And thus starts the additional "foot stomping on hands" action petition. :)

I want to sign your petition....:)

To widen it a bit...I personally am not very keen on jumping puzzles within FPS games - the 3rd person aspect of the game would make it easier but the truth is...I just hate jumping puzzle full stop! I spose they mix things up a bit....but I still don't like em. To me ledge grabbing sounds like something you find along with jumping puzzle :)

I think widening the abilities the character has are generally good, I liked the way Kyle could do all the standard stuff like jump, crouch etc and could also do the wall running etc, that was amazing. More skills are always good...ledge grabbing, mantling, jumping roll...I guess mid air floating would be pushing it :D

MuRaSaMuNe
04-02-2003, 10:47 PM
Right on.... :thumbsup:

Mandalorian54
04-02-2003, 11:11 PM
Definetly must have ledge grabage! I hate it when I accidently walk off the edge, and have no chance of salvation. But this way if you slip you can just grab on.

When I play on Destiny of the Fates, And I fall, there are ledges right under me, but I cant get in between ledges and land on the ground, he simply falls strait past all the ledges, man that sucks. I would love to be able to grab on the ledges.

It would also make possible to save you skill points for other abuilities other than jump so you don't have to jump up over and onto a ledge, you can just grab on.


:queen

Bob 1:75
And the light queen spoke"Let thier be Ledge grabage," and it was so.

May the Lord bless the reading of his word.

coupes.
04-04-2003, 02:01 PM
how about moving around while you're hanging around..

you could sneak behind an enemy by actually passing under him...

StriderPrime00
04-04-2003, 02:14 PM
Maybe you will lose your weapon when you fall and grip the ledge with 2 hands. If you climb and hang on the ledge, you keep your weapon in 1 hand while you hang with the other.

greedo626
04-04-2003, 02:46 PM
I think ledge grabbing sounds like a good idea. but I think you should be able to have your fingers cut off by a lightsaber:D

Agen
04-04-2003, 03:02 PM
Yep, even if it unbalances maybe single player then make it just mp. There has to be a counter too of course so i think hitting there hands with a lgihtsaber is sufficient :) , maybe perhaps if you do it you gave to sacrifice you weapon to stay alive? (or have it put away before you fall off)

Ol-Gil
04-05-2003, 12:21 AM
Actually I could really go for this. And I think ways to balance it are numerous and apparent:

When grabbing, all regular actions should be paused, including mana recharge. Thus, people couldn't just hang out [bad pun] until they're back up to Force par in MP.

Also, so that carrying guns while grabbing works, the animation could be such that with bigger guns, the character just grabs with the free left hand. From that point they could just let go, holster the gun, or whatnot.

And to keep people from using ledge grab to avoid their foes in MP, make it vulnerable to pull, but not push. That way, players waiting to kick the living crap out of them above can "help" them back up onto the ledge with a "friendly" pull. And the only way to make them lose their grip and fall would be to jump down yourself and pull them on the way down, dropping both of you [in most situations]. A "stomp hands" feature could still be implemented on top of this, but I think it's a little superfluous. What function would it be bound to? And let's not forget, even if people could just hang there instead of fighting, they can still be shot, hacked, lightning...ed, etc. Have to work out what sort of attacks could make a person lose their grip, I suppose.

I really think it could work, and for some reason, I'd be really happy to see this feature in the next JK.

mariners2001
04-05-2003, 01:12 AM
like the new Tomb Raider game coming out soon, I think a time limit could be implemented or the force bar could drain the longer you hold on...after the time elapses you fall.....something like that could work.

Ardayus
04-05-2003, 02:53 PM
I vote yes, however, you all should realize that implementation into the Raven Q3 engine could be difficult. I have not seen any Q3 based game have this and it would take alot of modification to make it so.

wedge2211
04-05-2003, 05:01 PM
THen again, how many other Q3 games have lightsabers? :D

I would like to see a whole range of vertical movement. Ledge grabbing, sliding along the ledge, ladder climbing (I really miss that from EF), maybe even walls you can scale, would add a whole new dimension (literally!) to the game, even MP. A new way to sneak into a flag base in a CTF game, a new way to set up an ambush, a way to climb up to annoying snipers...

legameboy
04-05-2003, 07:57 PM
I vote a big fat juicy yes to ledgegrabbing! (and fists:) ):box1:

The Truthful Liar
04-05-2003, 08:19 PM
I think this would require too many/alot of new animations. Especially at the stage in which Raven is with their development of JA.

.:Solusar:.
04-06-2003, 04:12 AM
Yea.. somewhere i read that jk3 will have ledge grabbings and maybe some extra force powers.. like jumping a high distance and not getting hurt.. or just a little.. and sorts of neat force powers.

Jolts
04-06-2003, 05:14 AM
I think splinter cell is the best example how LGing adds depth to the interactivity of a game. I would only suggest that if they plan on having the game have any stealth element, that they rip off splinter cell in all its glory. If you've never played splinter cell and want to see what I'm talking about go download the latest demo.

As far the the Lg animations you would need

jump up
catch
move left
move right
pull up
release
land

Go check out the obiwan trailer on the lec site to see how they used it for their game. That game also had multiplayer so if you have it you can replay it with a buddy to see how it effects multiplayer.

Edit: Obi-Wan has no multiplayer. At the time it was shown at E3 2000 (when it was still slated for PC and had multiplayer planned) ledge grabbing was NOT an option.

Proto
04-06-2003, 12:24 PM
As for SP I'm afraid it's just the matter of whether LG is alread in or not. Don't forget that "the levels are in place" (according to the Games Domain interview). If ledge grabbing isn't there, it doesn't seem possible to put it as a new feature without rebuilding all levels. So if Raven decided to have it in this time, I'll be happy. Otherwise I won't despair ;).

LG in MP could indeed work great if well balanced. At last fighting in places like reactor room in Duel of the Fates would make any sense (especially when Force Push is at work :)).

And the last concern. Take into account that games like TR, IJ, SC are practically TPP only (execluding aiming mode). Jedi Academy still remains an FPS with TPP option so it is likely that LG would be enabled only when wielding lightsaber (along with other acrobatic tricks).

Hekx
04-06-2003, 12:27 PM
Crawl ability too! :D

They should use more of the SP animations. There's loads of unused spin jumps and animations that would work well for the game.

t3rr0r
04-06-2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Hkx Nx
Crawl ability too! :D
prone in jk2 would be cool. :O

Lanceo9
04-06-2003, 04:30 PM
ladge grabing would be sweet.... but..... q3 engine probly dousn't suport somthing so rpg syle like... especialy prone.... think about it... you would have to have your caracter spin all the way around if u fell off a ledge, and by then... by by. i hope they do figure out how to do it though.... :bdroid2: maby they could implant stanima to the game... so your caracter gets tired and can't move around on the ledge n-e more?

legameboy
04-06-2003, 04:37 PM
what does q3 engine support anyway besides what ive seen in jk2

t3rr0r
04-06-2003, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Lanceo9
ladge grabing would be sweet.... but..... q3 engine probly dousn't suport somthing so rpg syle like... especialy prone.... think about it... you would have to have your caracter spin all the way around if u fell off a ledge, and by then... by by. i hope they do figure out how to do it though.... :bdroid2: maby they could implant stanima to the game... so your caracter gets tired and can't move around on the ledge n-e more?
- urban terror (a mod for q3) has a form of ledge grabbing
- sof2 has prone
- many q3 mods and games have stamina

mike_windu|CLU|
04-06-2003, 06:24 PM
whats prone? lol

Agen
04-06-2003, 06:24 PM
I think that maybe a straight saving animation (turning around and catching and coming back up or just hanging til their time runs out) Nothing to complex except a few new animations.

wedge2211
04-06-2003, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by mike_windu|CLU|
whats prone? lol

Prone means lying flat on your stomach.

That would not be RPG-ish at all...it could mean lots of tactical opportunities. Being able to crawl under ledges that you couldn't fit through otherwise and lay an ambush, or lying flat behind a bush on a hill to snipe...

Tesla
04-06-2003, 08:23 PM
Ledge grabbing yeah i'd gladly like it in JA but wouldn't it make it too much like Bounty Hunter because you have to do alot of ledge jumping there , and also you could fire 1 of your blaster pistols whilst climbing along a ledge what would a jedi do???
He or her would most likely end up cutting there legs off if they tried to defelect blaster bolts or a another lightsaber. :confused:

AlzWisHum
04-06-2003, 09:23 PM
I voted a soundly 'hell yes' to that.
Just because I remember how frustrating was jumping over a vertical ledge in Yavin's Trial at JO. :firemad:

Someone else shared that problem?

Matariel
04-08-2003, 12:50 AM
oh my god yes, ive been really pissed off playing nar shaddaa, i fall down to one of the lower platforms but i miss by a millimeter and slide alongside the edge goofishly as i fall to my doom...

it would be a really good gameplay element too, hang off a ledge and wait for someone to walk by, and BAM! you jump out and start slashin! hehe

Deadeye
04-08-2003, 03:20 PM
(Prone is when you get down on the ground all the way, like a soldier)


I think that ledge-grabbing would be a fantastic addition to the game. It's more jedi/movie-like first and foremost. The more moves, and features that can be added to this game that give it more of a jedi/movie feel, the better. Starwars is all about those memorable moments. To give the player more and more options/moves to create their own memorable moments would do great to make this game a real classic. I don't really give a **** about how balanced MP is and all the constant complaints about it. Of course it needs to be balanced well. duh! but I think that too many people are focusing on the Quake-ness of this game and not the StarWars-ness of the game. -I know that doesn't make much sense, but I feel like JO was missing something that JK/MOTS had, and I hope that JA can really capture the feeling of being a Jedi. The reason the Q3 engine, and the FPS genre was used was not to be the next multiplayer deathmatch mayhem game, but b/c it was the most suitable environment to allow for a Jedi-like experience. -Sorry I felt a vent coming on and I took it.

On to why ledge grabbing is a good idea.

I thought of this the other day. If you assign lots of points to force defence (or something like that), when you get pushed over a ledge in MP you will likely grab the legde like Obi-Wan in the PM.
If you don't assign many points, you might get pushed right off. Also, at point-blank range near a ledge, you might get pushed off regardless, which means for those push/pull whores out there, they would have to manuver to get you really close to the ledge, and use some skill for a change -right?

Also if they add some simple combo moves, maybe if you learn the combo that launches you right back up, then you're in good shape to continue fighting. If you can't do the move in time, your opponent might just knock you all the way off, or chop you up. Also, nearby explosions (detonators, etc.), might blow you off the ledge you're hanging onto, if you don't get back up in time. I think this would really add a sweet dimension to MP.

-Maybe you get knocked off and your opponent doesn't see your little hands hanging on there. You then shimy around to a good spot, and do the Obi-Wan - Darth Maul finisher from the PM. Hell, that yellow stance move is practically that whole move already!

I just think it will add a great deal of new strategy that hasn't really been seen in MP. The advantages in SP are obvious I think.

That's MHO

AlzWisHum
04-08-2003, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Matariel
oh my god yes, ive been really pissed off playing nar shaddaa, i fall down to one of the lower platforms but i miss by a millimeter and slide alongside the edge goofishly as i fall to my doom...


Oh yes, that one was terrible too. When I took a look at it, the first though it came to my mind was: "I have a bad feeling about this..." and the second: "... where is that quickloading button again?"

There's also that level at Doomsgiver that you had to set up the comm link with Rogue Squadron... Who in the hell projected that comm device? Floating rooms in an infinite chasm with small bridges connecting one to other? That one sucked too, It didn't even made sense... Hope they don't bring those painful moments back to JA. Well maybe just a little... ;)


it would be a really good gameplay element too, hang off a ledge and wait for someone to walk by, and BAM! you jump out and start slashin! hehe

And the best: Pushing stormies to the hole... :p In multi its a little fun, because of the extra danger and balance.

Jolts
04-08-2003, 08:40 PM
ledge grab could have been a cool counter to being pushed/grip chucked off the side of a building....if there was a lower section of the map and something to aim for to grab ahold of. But the reality is that raven is not going to include it, the time for that has passed, your only hope is that a mod adds it.

Ol-Gil
04-09-2003, 01:25 AM
I love how just because the game has been publically announced, everyone insists that "the time for implementing new elements is over."

Don't sing that song till it goes gold, my friends.

Fall '03 [which invariably means Winter] is a long way away.

Frankly, in my editing experience [which yes, does exist], one or two new animations [with Raven's tools], an addition to the code of this scale, and pulling some gaps apart in the SP levels is perfectly feasible [an added bit of difficulty, but that's what all game creation is], yes while still going forward with the rest of the project, and yes in time for release.

Prove me wrong.

Edited for clarification and...for your pleasure.

Lanceo9
04-09-2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by t3rr0r
- urban terror (a mod for q3) has a form of ledge grabbing
- sof2 has prone
- many q3 mods and games have stamina




i never said that q3 wouldent suport stamina....... LEDGE GRAPING WOOHOO!

MattJedi
04-09-2003, 10:30 PM
I have always been for ledge grabbing, it would add a very important element to the game.

The way it should probly work is if you are launched off of a platform you obviously cannot grab a ledge unless there is another platform below you that you will line up with and grab which would be awesome! Some ideas for diferent animations could be if you fall off forward you grab the ledge with your elbows facing out in a reversed position, if you have ever watched Navy Seals train on TV you know what I mean. Then you could just press the jump button repeatidly to lift yoursefl back up. As for the backward fall it could be like Obi Wans pull up in the Naboo Reactor after maul wacked his ass off the ledge.

Wacky_Baccy
04-10-2003, 12:52 AM
Interesting... In the GameStar.de premium section, there is a JK3 screenshot of the player hanging off a ledge... But it might only be part of a cutscene sequence... Or it might be in the whole game - the angle's a bit weird...

I can't post the pic cos I dont want to incur the wrath of GameStar and their lawyers :(

But it looks like we may well have ledge-grabbing :D

(I'll show the pic to GonkH8er if you lot won't believe me, and he can confirm what I've said - I'm sure you'll believe him :p :))

*goes back to scouring new pics for more new stuff*

.:Solusar:.
04-10-2003, 01:27 AM
yes that would be cool. Plus with all of the new Force powers and new characters, races, etc. that would all be fantastic! This might be a dumb question but does anyone know when the game is coming out? anyway i cant wait for the game to come out

Wacky_Baccy
04-10-2003, 01:30 AM
Posted by CyBerNetiX
This might be a dumb question but does anyone know when the game is coming out? anyway i cant wait for the game to come out All that they've confirmed so far is Autumn(Fall) 2003... My money's on September, but that's no better than a wild guess for now :p :)

SkiTzoGuy
04-10-2003, 01:32 AM
That could be a bummer for some people. for instance the game comes out at the end of the summer vacation and stuff. Well I think that wouldn't be any fun at all cause then we wouldn't be able to play over the summer vacation. O well

Shotokan
04-10-2003, 03:05 AM
ledge grabbing would be pretty kool. especially if you can do that force assisted thing that obi wan does in ep1.

mariners2001
04-13-2003, 11:03 PM
itzabump

mariners2001
04-27-2003, 03:37 PM
i'm not sure but i thought prone was when you crawl on the floor....

Blademaster_109
04-27-2003, 03:44 PM
I kinda want it and kinda don't. if they add it in it will probably include stealth missions.

StormHammer
04-27-2003, 11:14 PM
I voted YES. It could come in useful, and if it's useful they should put it in.

Prime
04-28-2003, 01:36 PM
I voted NO, because I think it is pretty silly. How often are you going to need to hang from a ledge? It would get pretty annoying if every time you pushed someone in Nar Shaddaa streets they could hang from the ledge. I have visions of looking up and seeing 25 people all hanging from ledges...

StormHammer
04-28-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by Prime
I voted NO, because I think it is pretty silly. How often are you going to need to hang from a ledge? It would get pretty annoying if every time you pushed someone in Nar Shaddaa streets they could hang from the ledge. I have visions of looking up and seeing 25 people all hanging from ledges...

ROFL :rofl:

Yes, but I always felt the problem with that map and a couple of others is that there are too many ledges anyway. Missing a ledge by an inch and plunging into oblivion is also a bit silly and annoying at times...

MattJedi
04-29-2003, 03:24 PM
Well Prime thats pretty easy to fix, Reven could make it depend on how much force you have or just make it a random thing that happens. Or you have to repeatatly press the jump button when your falling, there are ways to get around spamming and seeing 25 people hanging, that would be stupid, lol :)

mariners2001
05-29-2003, 09:27 PM
bump

Kengo
05-30-2003, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Prime
I voted NO, because I think it is pretty silly. How often are you going to need to hang from a ledge?

Surprisingly often...oh, you mean in the game right?

Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine was an enchanced version of the JK engine right, with ledge grabbing and all. Worked well there, don't see why it couldn't in this game with its optional 3rd person perspective. I guess too many movement control can be confusing though, I mean, I had a hard time just binding all the force powers in well...

Prime
05-30-2003, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Kengo
Surprisingly often...oh, you mean in the game right?

Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine was an enchanced version of the JK engine right, with ledge grabbing and all. Worked well there, don't see why it couldn't in this game with its optional 3rd person perspective. I guess too many movement control can be confusing though, I mean, I had a hard time just binding all the force powers in well... I wouldn't mind it in SP, but MP I think it would be annoying. Just my opinion. If someone is silly enough to get pushed over the edge, then I should get rewarded for that. If everyone can just grab the ledge, how do I kill them then? Do I have to run up to the edge and shot them? That puts me in a precarious position as then I could be easily pushed over. In any event, I just feel that it doesn't add very much to the game (MP at least). :)

Kengo
05-30-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Prime
Do I have to run up to the edge and shot them? That puts me in a precarious position as then I could be easily pushed over.

But then you would grab the ledge too :)

It might add something to SP, like you say it could be a pain in MP. Two posts short of a thousand man, I'd be posting any old random garb...ah, so I am.

DarthDarth
05-30-2003, 03:17 PM
I voted yes, but only if force push and pull can knock you off the ledge your holding onto. Also some saber hits could make you fall, like if they do that slam both sabers into the ground move like in the Trailer at the offical web site. Make it more realistic...

DarthDarth

The Count
05-30-2003, 04:06 PM
Ledge Grabbing was good in Bounty Hunter, should be good in this.

Eklin
05-30-2003, 08:50 PM
And thus starts the additional "foot stomping on hands" action petition.
I know it's been a while since that was posted, but ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
That would actually be an awesome feature.

Games need tons of animations. Saber combat is only the beginning. Even when someone falls, there should be an animation. Like, the person should kneel then push themselves up, like they were bracing for impact, unlike in JK2 where you just heard some crappy "umf" sound and continued running.

There's so much that could make this game great, and ledge grabbing is only part of it.

Games aren't just games. The challenge is to make the most realistic game possible, that allows us to do anything we normally could and then some (which is where the lightsaber and force powers comes in). Not being able to grab a ledge that you could easily do in real life just detracts from that realism.

One more thing I'd like to add, SPEED UP FALLING! In JK2, falling seemed like a slow walk to oblivion. Having a much faster falling speed would probably make ledge grabbing very difficult, since the time to act would be incredibly shortened, which is good.

Luc Solar
05-31-2003, 05:30 AM
IF they put ledge grabbing into JA it shouldn't be automatic or abusable.

It should require a press of a button (perhaps jump + directional key?) at the right moment and leave you vulnerable for a moment when you drag yourself up. If someone is standing on the ledge that you grabbed, he could easily f.ex kick you down while you're trying to get up.

I'd love the idea if they are able to fix the possible abuses of it. I doubt anyone wants to see JA duel servers turn into a game of "grab a ledge and wait for your force pool to refill".

Rockstar
06-15-2003, 03:47 AM
YES BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE TO RETRACT YOUR SABRE BEFORE AND WHILE HOLDING ON

MattJedi
06-15-2003, 01:15 PM
I totally agree with Eklin, the more realistic the better the game will be, all this talk about how too much realism can ruin a game is kind of stupid. All games have done is get more realistic and it sells so whats the problem?

Project_Fusion
06-22-2003, 03:10 PM
I think it's an okay idea. It shouldn't be automatic though, you should have to aim near the ledge and hold a button or something.

B00thbe
06-23-2003, 02:11 PM
To balance it out and prevent spamming, maybe you dont just hang on, you have to boost yourself up right away. Then we wont have tons of people just hanging of ledges all day. And your weapon should be put away when you are pulling yourself up, so then when you get up you will probably get wasted. So people cant do it just because they want to hide and are low on health during a duel.

Xizor's killer
06-27-2003, 04:51 AM
I like the whole idea of a grip bar like in MSG2 it should be better also if you get knocked down levels and you're falling next to platforms you should be able to grab onto one.:deathii:

The Count
06-27-2003, 05:20 AM
If they do have it, you can't have your lightsaber, however I'm not too bothered if it's in.

legameboy
06-27-2003, 01:11 PM
I voted yes, plainly because in JO it was rediculous how you actually made it to the other platform, but your entire body didn't make it and you fell :mad: . hehe

Redwing
06-27-2003, 11:03 PM
Hehehe. This was one of my pet peeves with all the other JK games. Heck yes - I would LOVE to see ledge-grabbing implemented in JKIII :D

Prone is an interesting idea, actually. Would be kinda fun to see that in an MP game ^_^ (just IMHO of course ;))

HertogJan
06-28-2003, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by Redwing
Hehehe. This was one of my pet peeves with all the other JK games. Heck yes - I would LOVE to see ledge-grabbing implemented in JKIII :D

Prone is an interesting idea, actually. Would be kinda fun to see that in an MP game ^_^ (just IMHO of course ;))


NOOOOO!!!

Prone leads to camping, camping leads to kills, kills lead to anger enemies, anger enemies lead to... er... well you get the idea, it only encourages camping and in a fast paced action game like this (not featuring real precision weapons, except for a sniperrifle which already is very accurate) prone just wouldn't work!

mariners2001
09-12-2003, 10:27 PM
since the game is coming soon and i know plenty of people want this very badly, i want to bump this for modders or even Raven if they are looking for ideas in a patch (which i doubt)

Iblis Reborn
09-13-2003, 08:59 AM
i agree with boinga1
if they did have it, it should only be in MP

i can live without it though
it gives you more reason to be careful when there are ledges around

Kurgan
09-13-2003, 09:51 AM
The only reason not to add ledge grabbing is that this isn't a traditional third-person only console adventure platformer, but a first person shooter.

But.... good luck anyway. It can always be modded in for those who want it.


Edit: You got me.... I forgot this was a thread revival!

StormHammer
09-13-2003, 10:18 AM
Hmm...seems like quite a lot of people want this feature to be in there. We know the demo doesn't have it, and I'd say it's unlikely to be in a patch (if it wasn't considered necessary for the game as it stands, why add it now?), but there's certainly a strong case for a mod crew to take this on board.

Kidso
09-14-2003, 12:48 AM
Indeed, I would love to see it modded in to the game, single and multiplayer if possible. Seems like it would be a great addition to the game.

xtrazx75
09-14-2003, 03:44 AM
Yes Raven should add a patch that implements this. I spoke about this before in another post.... After playing the second level of the demo (and falling into the pit so often), I thought that there should be a "Tomb Raider" style "shimmy" or "ledge-grab" So if you get pushed off or fall - you automatically grab onto the ledge.... Raven should put a delay (3sec) before you flip back up, giving your MP oppenent a change you force push you or use their saber(s) on you.

mariners2001
09-14-2003, 03:48 AM
yeah all they have to do to make it fair is to allow opponents to slash your hands or push you off. you should be given only a short amount of time to hold on before losing grip.

they just need to make the person hanging extremely vulnerable and it'll be very fair and extremely logical for the balance of the game with all of the push/grip whores...

and no...the wall grab is not was i hoping for....it is in no way able to really help you if you get pushed off unless the walls are angled perfectly.

xtrazx75
09-14-2003, 03:58 AM
Actually - you know what would be cool? If you could stick your saber into the wall (of a pit) and hang from it...... then force leap upwards.

This might be better because if you stick your saber into the wall too far from the top, then you won't be able to force jump back up.

mariners2001
09-14-2003, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by xtrazx75
Actually - you know what would be cool? If you could stick your saber into the wall (of a pit) and hang from it...... then force leap upwards.

This might be better because if you stick your saber into the wall too far from the top, then you won't be able to force jump back up.

that would be awesome! but i don't think of a saber as something that could hold weight more than a deadly beam....dunno. that'd probably be controversial.

i still remember the early JO bat saber controversy....lol

Javva the Hutt
09-14-2003, 04:40 AM
The question I have to ask is can it be done with the Q3 engine?

I don't think Ive seen it in a Q3 game. Correct me if I wrong but please no flamming? Simple question.

IF it can, I would love to see it in purely the MP aspect, is it isn't included in SP then obviously LucasArts doesnt think you need it. It would be handy and a useful trick to add to the bag. But in MP, if used correctly, could be a very dangerous move.

razorace
09-14-2003, 05:18 AM
It's possible. I think the main reason it hasn't bee done is because it would be very hard to control in the first person view.

Javva the Hutt
09-14-2003, 06:55 AM
I was under the impression that the Q3 engine has a lot of clipping issues though, and that is what prevents it. Maybe I'm mistaken.

mariners2001
09-14-2003, 07:01 AM
The Style Over Substance mod for Jedi Outcast had the ledge-grabbing feature even though it wasn't necessarily that great and only worked while jumping up but I think it's definitely capable within the Q3 engine.

I'd really like a comment from Raven or someone on this matter, because it boggles me why this wasn't included.

Javva the Hutt
09-14-2003, 07:07 AM
Agreed.

Why not utilize the full capablities of the designing platform. Me thinks that any added aspect that is not needed should still be included to enhance gameplay and to be utilized in say MP instead of just focusing on the needs for SP.

(If it seems like Im chatting please forgive...Im just bored and enjoy any programming discussions that pop up)

mariners2001
09-15-2003, 05:04 AM
ideally, it'd be in both SP and MP though