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shock ~ unnamed
04-02-2003, 12:41 AM
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42883

Death to the RPG saber noobies.
I declare Jihad upon you and don't ANY of you even think about doing this again.

^_-
04-02-2003, 12:44 AM
shall we start up ARPA?

Anti Role Playing Association
(note this applies ONLY to rpging in FPS games, as i like rpgs, but think they have their place in THEIR genre)

shock ~ unnamed
04-02-2003, 12:48 AM
Hehe name sounds too much like these guys:

http://www.aarp.org/

I just see too many RPG saber noobies scurrying out of the wood work already in that top sticky thread and this frightens me.

shock ~ unnamed
04-02-2003, 12:58 AM
Classic JK2 humor from the early days if you were not around:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43763

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44702

^_-
04-02-2003, 01:04 AM
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38220

one of the first posts

wassup
04-02-2003, 01:26 AM
I will not protest them in any way cause so far I have not encountered any RPG problems, but I will follow my own rules/terms, whether the other guy(s) like it or not. But I must admit some of those rules are just plain stupid. :rolleyes:

Khaza
04-02-2003, 01:42 AM
...or what if Raven would make RPG mode for those who need it and this way separate them from the real gamers.

shock ~ unnamed
04-02-2003, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by Khaza
...or what if Raven would make RPG mode for those who need it and this way separate them from the real gamers.

Gamers being the key word.
They tend to disregard the notion that this is a game for some reason.
:mad:

^_-
04-02-2003, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by Khaza
...or what if Raven would make RPG mode for those who need it and this way separate them from the real gamers. that reminds me of...something....bah what could it be???

oh i know KOTOR and SWG. 1 is a SP RPG set in SW (and *gasp* you could make a DF mod for it) and 2. is a MMORPG (OMFG I"M A REAL JEDI!!1111)

Luc Solar
04-02-2003, 01:57 AM
I've already started threatening people in my country about this.

I'm a nice guy and all...but if I hear about any talk of "Jedi'o hon0urz" or silly rules I will bitchslap the ones who are responsible IRL.

Seriously: this threat needs to be eliminated asap. These people must be silenced before they have a chance to start spreading their silly ideas.
Look what happened with Sars! If you don't take action immediatedly, you're screwed! :mad:

;)

Emon
04-02-2003, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by Khaza
...or what if Raven would make RPG mode for those who need it and this way separate them from the real gamers.

...or what if Raven would stick to the objective of their plans, which is to make a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER and leave out the RPG elements for morons who like to ruin the game which is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER and you go play a real ROLE PLAYING GAME

But wait, that would be the smart, considerate, logical thing to do. Can't have that, now can we! Haha! :rolleyes:

shock ~ unnamed
04-02-2003, 02:28 AM
Ehh the "make your own character" thing is cool and all and I wont bash them (Raven) for trying to spice the game up a little.

Nor will I bash the guy who suggested a "RPG game type".

I'm not saying there should be one (that's what mod making is for) but I'll respect that the guy wants to keep the two separate even if I disagree with they way it is to be done.

I'm really serious about killing this nonsense (see link in top post) before it starts again.

JK3 is going to have a heavy focus on sabers and "Jedi crap" as opposed to "blowing people up with a big gun" and I hope it does not get to be as absurd as JK2 is now in regards to public servers.

You literally *can not go to a FFA/SO server anymore and actually *play the game.

You have to follow these stupid little rules and stand around like an idiot and do nothing but silly emotes.
You even dare to actually play and you are voted/kicked/banned.

From day 1 after this game is released we all know the noobies are going to start whining about “OMFG THIS HAS TO BE FIXED”.

As players we actually need to be just as vocal as they were last time in telling them to stfu. We need to be just as vocal in our support for the game and Raven as they were in bashing it and complaining and whining for patches.

A community of whiny noobies ruined an otherwise great game; let’s not repeat history this time please.

Khaza
04-02-2003, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by Emon
...or what if Raven would stick to the objective of their plans, which is to make a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER and leave out the RPG elements for morons who like to ruin the game which is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER and you go play a real ROLE PLAYING GAME

But wait, that would be the smart, considerate, logical thing to do. Can't have that, now can we! Haha! :rolleyes:

I think you got my idea all wrong :) I didn't mean anything big, just take their guns away, give them few stupid emoticons and place few no weapons zones to maps or something similar... This idea was just a suggestion how to get rid of those "hono red j-di" from FFA servers. It would be a lot easier to find competetive games when I could just filter out all the RPG servers...

Aoshi
04-02-2003, 04:53 AM
yea hopefully raven wont make the same mistake twice. we should convince twl, esl, and other sensible communities to voice their opinions and oppose the rpgers that are inevitably gonna whine and try to destroy another great game. i swear the next person that calls me dishonorable/hacker/scripter/aimbotter/not a 'real jedi' cause i dont use a lightsaber or anything else equally retarded is gonna be haunted for the rest of the game.

Ronin_Medjai
04-02-2003, 05:42 AM
I dont see whats wrong with JKO RPGs .I agree with you a hundred percent that the RPers shouldnt go to FFA servers and try to force their 'RPG Cult Ways' on the FFAers . I play all aspects of JKO and one of them is RPG,but seriously sometimes I get tired of typing and just wanna blow something up,but to say dont include RPG aspects in JKIII is biased and wrong. What someone does with their copy of JKO is their buisness and you shouldnt criticise them for it. Yeah sure if they come into a FFA and get all pissed off cause you guys arent RPing be my guest to get mad,but just /kick the guy fromur server problem solved...dont ruin the Other Genres of JKO world for others just for you opinionated views.
And as I said in the Sticky thread at top just include thewse rpg features for cheat enabled or something...or just leave the option open for us to be able to create an RPG Mod from it thats All I was asking... I guarantee you RPers using RPG Mod wont bother ur FFA servers ;)

Tosh_UK
04-02-2003, 06:46 AM
=ASC= I think i am going to add that to my Name LMFAO

I think that when the game get released there will be Bugs, as some things will not work correct. but as soon as the Fan-boys start crying and calling for things to be changed, things will most probably go bad. I cant stand these so called Jedi!! as they end up just trying to ruin the game.. last night in A CtF game, on a server I play you can pull back stab in it, and yes I do the move (if you don't ya going to get owned by all the people who do) plus its a great way of stopping mr I saved up loads and loads of rockets to kill you LOL. anyways I pulled the move on this guy.. he starts to cry and sets up chat spamming Ranger Sucks hahahahahaha
Well this don't bother me in anyway, but the little fan boy would swap to my team, grab the Flag and use the tricks to get up to spots that if you don't know the correct way of getting up to them you cant. and I don't know how to get up to them spots as I like to play the game as intended, and not like some 12 year old who cant play and has to use bugs. I mean this guy gets upset that I kill him with a Backstab move... instead of leaving and finding a sever with out it. he then try's to ruin my game (not that I care as I am not a fan boy and this is only a game) but he ruin's every one else game and that's for both sides. !!! people like this need to go see some one to explain Real Life to them.

btw he is so much of a hero that he had to use the name padawan cus he was to scared to use is normal Game Name... or is that Gay Name!

=Kill all FanBoys= but only when there sabers are down.

CanadianSurfer
04-02-2003, 07:18 AM
I go into a server and I see people RPG'ing everywhere. I stick to CTF and thank god it's hard to RPG there. I guarentee if a mod is made they will still come to "normal". I swear....

Luc Solar
04-02-2003, 07:37 AM
ROFL!

I don't play CTF...but ummm, how exactly do you RPG on a CTF server? :confused:


[SC]Wind00: "LAMER!! SABER DOWN = PEACE!"

Casual player: "But dude...you were running with the flag and- "

[SC]Wind00: "SABER DOWN = PEACE! DON'T U GET IT n00b!!?"

Casual player" Yea, but how am I supposed to- "

[SC]Wind00: "Stupid n00B! Now pay attention: 1) saber down = peace! 2) NO f'king guns, they're lame! 3) if you wish to fight U must challenge me to a DUEL u IDIOT!"

Casual player: "But I thought this was CTF?"

[SC]Wind00: "U still don't get it do you, n00b!? No laming, no guns, no force. H0nourable Jedi Duelz only!"

Casual player " .... "

ryudom
04-02-2003, 07:57 AM
i think theres two differant kinds of RPG people around.

First, theres the good kind. the kind that play on the zone, and label there room RPG @ deathstar and play. These guys have been around since JK1 and haven't really caused much trouble imo. i think you guys need to cut Ronin_Medjai some slack, heh.

Second, there's the evil kind. the kind that invade servers, the kind that spread there honor codes and such. the kind that unnamed is talking about. i mean you want to fight with honor? great. just don't make other people do the same. i try not to cheap shot people most of the time, but thats just the way i am. i don't enforce it on people, i don't setup stupid server rules. no saber down killing is retarded, unless your playing NF, then its only stupid. so yeah

Chato
04-02-2003, 08:03 AM
real fine post :) love i t, just well seen !

Emon
04-02-2003, 08:21 AM
If you want to roleplay, fine. Just don't do it on our FFA and CTF servers and sit around like morons going "OMg mistar jedai freind want 2 cybar???" and "omg u killed me i rpg omg u ghay1!!"

ryudom
04-02-2003, 08:23 AM
well emon, thats pretty much what i said exept more detail... lol and in case that was directed towards me, i'd just like to state that i don't RPG. (well in a year anyway heh)

Tosh_UK
04-02-2003, 08:26 AM
I don't play CTF...but ummm, how exactly do you RPG on a CTF server?


[SC]Wind00: "LAMER!! SABER DOWN = PEACE!"

Casual player: "But dude...you were running with the flag and- "

[SC]Wind00: "SABER DOWN = PEACE! DON'T U GET IT n00b!!?"

Casual player" Yea, but how am I supposed to- "

[SC]Wind00: "Stupid n00B! Now pay attention: 1) saber down = peace! 2) NO f'king guns, they're lame! 3) if you wish to fight U must challenge me to a DUEL u IDIOT!"

Casual player: "But I thought this was CTF?"

[SC]Wind00: "U still don't get it do you, n00b!? No laming, no guns, no force. H0nourable Jedi Duelz only!"

Casual player " .... "


LMFAO

i think theres two differant kinds of RPG people around.

First, theres the good kind. the kind that play on the zone, and label there room RPG @ deathstar and play. These guys have been around since JK1 and haven't really caused much trouble imo. i think you guys need to cut Ronin_Medjai some slack, heh.

Second, there's the evil kind. the kind that invade servers, the kind that spread there honor codes and such. the kind that unnamed is talking about. i mean you want to fight with honor? great. just don't make other people do the same. i try not to cheap shot people most of the time, but thats just the way i am. i don't enforce it on people, i don't setup stupid server rules. no saber down killing is retarded, unless your playing NF, then its only stupid. so yeah
/agree but we will not see the good ones will we! as they stay to there servers we stay to are's = no problems, the only RPG we see are the ones invading the other servers trying to tell us what rules we should play by!!! LOL = Bad RPG players grrrrrr

Bizzaro-Zero
04-02-2003, 08:50 AM
lmao hahaha sabre noobies bahahaha well kill those son of a b*tches

TK_Nutritious
04-02-2003, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by Tosh_UK
=Kill all FanBoys= but only when there sabers are down.

hah! that actually made me laugh out loud

-=DarkZero=-
04-02-2003, 09:36 AM
SCREW YOU ALL!WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SEXUAL HARRASSMENT ONTOP!
I'VE BEEN PLAYING SINCE THE GAME CAME OUT AND I LOVE RPING!
HOW COULD YOU RETALIATE ! I'LL KILL YOU ALL IF YOU TRY! AHHH

Kilrogg
04-02-2003, 10:15 AM
Don't forget the contrary exists too...

I mean an FFA server on bespin called Saber Arena with the no force power icon and which indicates when entering the rules (no saber down killing etc.) is sometimes invade by "quakers"...

Just to say that play the way you want, for everything we could type on a forum or a chat wouldn't change anything to the game...

Spider AL
04-02-2003, 10:28 AM
Bah, you're all lightweights. This is the original and best fanboy-parody post: Phayyde's Book of Honor (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44054) ;)

DEALING with fanboys is quite simple. You kill them all. All the time. Everywhere.

Make no mistake, they've declared war on us, so we must fight them with equal intensity. The fanboy invaders will never EVER take our FPS away from us. They will die in ignominy, for they are the truly dishonourable ones.

So if you see some fanboys organising a duel in any server except a duel server, kill them with your gun. If you see them pretending to be proprieters of shops or galactic barbers in any server, kill them with your gun.

And when they start threads in places like this, and on massassi, and on local game networks COMPLAINING about us and our dishonourable behaviour, you must respond with lightning clarity... "We play this game the way it was meant to be played. If you don't like it, go fiddle in Baldur's Gate."

But make no mistake, fanboys will never be eradicated totally. Like the Dark Side, they'll lie in wait for centuries, millennia even until we grow complacent and lax in our watch. Then they'll strike.

The price of a fanboy-free community is eternal vigilance, and constant involvement in the community. If we're happy with the game, we must all tell the developers so, so that they don't change it on the behest of the vocal minority of fanboys.

Tosh_UK
04-02-2003, 10:33 AM
going to try post this image but its from a forum and might not work.. if not click the link http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachment.php?postid=86441
The price of a fanboy-free community is eternal vigilance, and constant involvement in the community. If we're happy with the game, we must all tell the developers so, so that they don't change it on the behest of the vocal minority of fanboys. hahahahahaha to true :p

Prime
04-02-2003, 11:08 AM
Spider Al! How did I know you would pop up in this thread? :D

RPGers who invade FFA servers will die by my hand...and glowstick.

happydan
04-02-2003, 12:17 PM
what i never got about this is that this never happened in any of the movies. i would imagine it as a saftely precaution in training, but the thought of a sith lord bowing to some poor hapless jediknight is just laughable. RPGing? i dont think so. get on and play, son.

StormHammer
04-02-2003, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Spider AL
Make no mistake, they've declared war on us, so we must fight them with equal intensity. The fanboy invaders will never EVER take our FPS away from us. They will die in ignominy, for they are the truly dishonourable ones.

So if you see some fanboys organising a duel in any server except a duel server, kill them with your gun. If you see them pretending to be proprieters of shops or galactic barbers in any server, kill them with your gun.

And when they start threads in places like this, and on massassi, and on local game networks COMPLAINING about us and our dishonourable behaviour, you must respond with lightning clarity... "We play this game the way it was meant to be played. If you don't like it, go fiddle in Baldur's Gate."

But make no mistake, fanboys will never be eradicated totally. Like the Dark Side, they'll lie in wait for centuries, millennia even until we grow complacent and lax in our watch. Then they'll strike.

The price of a fanboy-free community is eternal vigilance, and constant involvement in the community. If we're happy with the game, we must all tell the developers so, so that they don't change it on the behest of the vocal minority of fanboys.

*hears rousing military marching music in the background, rising to a glorious crescendo*

The only thing you didn't say there was that 'We Will Fight Them On The Beaches!" ;p

Anyway, Mobius...there's no reason to insult other members for disagreeing with your point of view. I know this is a touchy subject, but we should all remember to respect the opinions of others. ;)

So Be Good, Be Vigilant...BEHAVE! :D

Personally, I can make a distinct division where RPG is concerned. There is RPG where you have access to thinks like skills, inventories, and what-have-you, giving you extra features to make a game more enjoyable. Then there is RPG where you actually role-play and remain in-character, with all the codes and what-have-you. IMHO, there's nothing wrong with the former...but I think the latter is taking it a bit far for an FPS game.

If people want to set up servers for that sort of thing, no problem. But I don't agree with anyone trying to force me to play a certain way. Until 1.04, I used to play online a bit...but with my laggy connection the game's now unplayable. It's hard to find a server for just running-and-gunning these days... ;p

shock ~ unnamed
04-02-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Ronin_Medjai
I dont see whats wrong with JKO RPGs .I agree with you a hundred percent that the RPers shouldnt go to FFA servers and try to force their 'RPG Cult Ways' on the FFAers . I play all aspects of JKO and one of them is RPG,but seriously sometimes I get tired of typing and just wanna blow something up,but to say dont include RPG aspects in JKIII is biased and wrong. What someone does with their copy of JKO is their buisness and you shouldnt criticise them for it. Yeah sure if they come into a FFA and get all pissed off cause you guys arent RPing be my guest to get mad,but just /kick the guy fromur server problem solved...dont ruin the Other Genres of JKO world for others just for you opinionated views.
And as I said in the Sticky thread at top just include thewse rpg features for cheat enabled or something...or just leave the option open for us to be able to create an RPG Mod from it thats All I was asking... I guarantee you RPers using RPG Mod wont bother ur FFA servers ;)

There is nothing wrong with what you stated and quite frankly I wish more people had the same attitude you did in regards to the RPG stuff.
You have no desire to force anything upon others you just want the option to do something you enjoy with similar minded people.

There is a big difference between a "true RPG guy" like your self and what many of us refer to as the "fan boy" or "saber noobie".

A fan boy/saber noobie is not a role player, he/she is a player who believes these stupid made up "codes of honor" (see link in first post) are the law of the land.

I'm not joking when I say there are almost no saber only/FFA servers out there that actually allow you to just come in and play anymore.

Even ones with no rules or admins always have voting enabled and the dozen or so guys standing around having bowing contests will vote you off if you so much as nick them with a saber as you walk by.

I have literally seen people argue on a FFA server over things like:

I have more honor than you do!
No I have more honor!
No you're a lamer!
No you lamed me first so I counter-lamed!
I only counter-lamed because you had no honor!
Look you **** **** **** I HAVE MORE HONOR!


Back in the day you went to SO/FFA servers and people were flying all over the place doing NOTHING BUT playing. It was just like any other FPS FFA server minus the guns.

Now it's just sad what goes in them.


My gripe is not with the "true role players" in JK2; I never go on Omni mod servers or mess with them.
Far as I'm concerned have fun and more power to you.

My problem is with the "bow or I will vote you off the server" people and I have no desire to see JK3 end up like that.

Emon
04-02-2003, 04:59 PM
People want emotes that make you invulerable so you can sit on your ass and annoy other people. Asside from being annoying as ****, it ****s up gameplay. There's nothing worse than some ass hole with the flag on his back sitting Indian style in the middle of the map. The game never ****ing ends.

Jolts
04-02-2003, 05:16 PM
swg will be out before jk3, and it will suck up 90% of the rpging lameness. What I don't understand it why they don't mod nwn or something else designed to rpg in. They obviously don't care about quality work, a little crayola over some midevil models and they should be happy.

My worst fear about JO is sloppyness. Slip slap slop movement and undefined key poses in animations. People that flip over you and instead of landing ski away before the animation is done playing. If the game is already 60-70% done they should have lots of time to clean old systems up.

"GD: What's left to do?

JZ: What's not left to do? Let's see. The story is done. The levels are in place. Most of the characters are done. Saber combat is far along. "

awsome so they have alot of time to refine refine refiine? ragdoll physics? maybe time to give girls a female walk cycle instead othe copish kyle walk? what girls walk like this?
http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/depart/apr03/jediknight301.jpg

ryudom
04-02-2003, 05:24 PM
first of all emon, you know you can kick them right? heh.

second of all, i'm sure raven won't do anyanything like that lol

Ronin_Medjai
04-02-2003, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by shock ~ unnamed
There is nothing wrong with what you stated and quite frankly I wish more people had the same attitude you did in regards to the RPG stuff.
You have no desire to force anything upon others you just want the option to do something you enjoy with similar minded people.

There is a big difference between a "true RPG guy" like your self and what many of us refer to as the "fan boy" or "saber noobie".

A fan boy/saber noobie is not a role player, he/she is a player who believes these stupid made up "codes of honor" (see link in first post) are the law of the land.



Once Again I agree with you we "true RPG guys" usually shun the Fanboys cause in all honesty they are lousy. They are lousy at FFAs so they try to force their Honor Coides on others,and they are lousy at RPGs as well. They try to turn them into TFFA servers with their implemented Honor Codes.
I usually boot fanboys from my RPG Server all the time they are lame... Using MGS2 Characters like Greyfox or Solid Snake,or better yet LOTR, or some other movie they have seen its really lame to see Snake Pliskin with a lightsaber it ruins both Games IMO its an insult.

People want emotes that make you invulerable so you can sit on your ass and annoy other people. Asside from being annoying as ****, it ****s up gameplay. There's nothing worse than some ass hole with the flag on his back sitting Indian style in the middle of the map. The game never ****ing ends.

Ahhhh what you speak of is probly Adminmod which is usually run on FF FFA Servers or Clan Servers and I have to agree with you its lame. The Ability to use an emote to avoid fighting is very lame,and a lot of time they will use GRip on you while in the Emote and you cant do jack!
I dont use AM for RPGs and I doubt others do we use Big mods that clients have to download and peeps who like to FFA obviously wouldnt download them so it distinguishes the servers apart. We are already working on an RPG Mod for JKO so maybe once thats released you guys will have less problems,but dont ruin JK3 for us "Real RPers" I guarantee you
I wont whine to anyone about anything I didnt care about any of the Changes in JKO I just adjust my style and techniques. The Real way to get Better is to Practice. As for the Fanboys I will unite with you on Destroying them as I kill them myselves Im usually the one they vote kick out of their FFA servers cause I killed someone with their saber down ,but I only see two types of games in JKO.

RPGs
Non-RPGs (Anything Goes)

shock ~ unnamed
04-02-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Emon
There's nothing worse than some ass hole with the flag on his back sitting Indian style in the middle of the map. The game never ****ing ends.

Oh man that's funny, never seen that one (don't play much CTF though).

Two ways to kill /amsit users:

Saber throws and kicks.

Both will cause normal damage on that emote or the standing up/crossed arms one.

shock ~ unnamed
04-02-2003, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Ronin_Medjai
its really lame to see Snake Pliskin with a lightsaber


Lol I would imagine it would be hard to "stay in character" when you have guys running around who look like Spider-Man, Wesley Snipes and Shakira.

Emon
04-02-2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by ryudom
first of all emon, you know you can kick them right? heh.

second of all, i'm sure raven won't do anyanything like that lol

I was mocking the people who want emotes that can do that so they can sit on their asses and chat all day.

CanadianSurfer
04-02-2003, 07:25 PM
I've had the same problems with that, I kill someone in a duel and they start saying :

"LIKE OMGZ LUKE SKYWALKER DIDN'T DO THAT IN THE MOVIE!!"

If JK3 turns out like, I won't even bother to get it. I play this game for fun and not to get kicked by saber noobs that say "I'm not honorable".

Jeff 42
04-02-2003, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by shock ~ unnamed
Two ways to kill /amsit users:

Saber throws and kicks.

Both will cause normal damage on that emote or the standing up/crossed arms one.
Once I was playing Jedi Master (yes, it is sometimes possible to find a game in that mode), and this one guy became the Jedi Master and then went into the sit emote. Of course, it's impossible for anyone besides the Jedi Master to saber throw or kick. What a loser.

shock ~ unnamed
04-02-2003, 10:18 PM
Yet another reason why any and all admin/emote mods should be burned and destroyed.

Prime
04-02-2003, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by shock ~ unnamed
Yet another reason why any and all admin/emote mods should be burned and destroyed. Just burned and destroyed? You are too kind. I say bring in the nukes...

If another person tells me kissing is "kewl", and when I refuse they call me gay, I'm going to scream.

Spider AL
04-02-2003, 11:54 PM
Quite.

"You want to kiss ME? Here. Kiss my lightsabre."

*Tzzt*

Mandalorian54
04-03-2003, 12:27 AM
This thread's been fun to read.

I don't seem to have too much of a problem with that, at least not when it did work on my CP. Now I need a new video card. But soon I will rise again to rid the world of fanboys.

When I see one, I chase his lame ass down and pummle him with Thermal detenators. He bitch talks me, I Bitch the hell outa him and cram his gay purple saber down his throat(no offense to people who use purple sabers)

I usually steer clear of servers that specify saber down=safe. If it doesn't specify, then too bad for the little crybaby who doesn't like it, I kill him any"F"ing way. They usually leave after that, and I peacfully go about Killing the rest of those children who think they're all powerfull cuz they have a glowing stick. When someone else who is good finally comes on, it get's interesting.


I can't stand those kids who think bowing and being honorable makes them a cool all powerfull Jedi. I kill them in three hits, and laph at them.:p

They soon realize who owns them!

Aoshi
04-03-2003, 12:07 PM
WIEGRAF!!!... i'm addicted to FFT again for like the 7th time... =(

C'jais
04-03-2003, 02:02 PM
Geez.

You guys show more conviction and passion in your rhetoric than me burning Xians on a moody in the Senate.

I salute thee.

nova_wolf
04-03-2003, 02:34 PM
I think that a nice server of their own would be a good way to handle this.

I liked the online code of honour of bowing, but only at the start of a duel - was nice.

One of the servers I played on had a specific area where the Code was upheld. An exhibition area. Bespins Landing pad normally. the whole saber on / off was upheld there only.

Everywhere else was open season. That worked well. Proper duelling was allowed in one place, blasting in another.

But I agree that this whole RPGing it to match the films is crap though.

If you want that, make a level to emmulate the movie sequences.

Just as long as people do accept a server inposed honour code, then thats good.

Its like religion. Practise it where its wanted - dont preach to or try and convert those who honestly couldnt give a Wokie's testical - it will only end in tears and blood - YOURS!

CanadianSurfer
04-03-2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Aoshi
WIEGRAF!!!... i'm addicted to FFT again for like the 7th time... =(

Heh. :)

Zodiac
04-04-2003, 11:25 AM
Raven should not look at the movies to see how good gameplay works in a game. A game is a game, a movie is a movie.

Usually, if you want things the same as in the movie, it's not fun for the gameplay.

Don't focus on realism and the movie, focus on great, fantastic, exciting gameplay.

nova_wolf
04-04-2003, 11:58 AM
I do apologise - I cut that last post into the wrong reply window!

I cant help but keep n00bing it up this week!

Anyway - back on topic now...

It will always be tough to get the degree of real world emulation we all strive for. Any game.

The fact that the two mediums are different in this way is important... It leaves open the door for modders to do this.

Taos
04-04-2003, 01:38 PM
What I most fear about Jedi Acadamy is that it won't be any better then Jedi Outcast......that it won't live up to the hype. It looks great so far and has great potential. So right now, those are my biggest fears.

zerowingzero
04-04-2003, 03:02 PM
http://www.oculis.org/asc/index.html


The now dead *ASC* main site...(due to lack of -SC-)

lol looking at this site made me want to play jk2 in the first place...

CanadianSurfer
04-04-2003, 03:10 PM
All you can do is hope for the best. It's basically an expansion of JK2, like Counter-Strike. Who knows, it could end up better...

Agen
04-04-2003, 03:40 PM
Bah, you're all lightweights. This is the original and best fanboy-parody post: Phayyde's Book of Honor
DEALING with fanboys is quite simple. You kill them all. All the time. Everywhere.

Make no mistake, they've declared war on us, so we must fight them with equal intensity. The fanboy invaders will never EVER take our FPS away from us. They will die in ignominy, for they are the truly dishonourable ones.

So if you see some fanboys organising a duel in any server except a duel server, kill them with your gun. If you see them pretending to be proprieters of shops or galactic barbers in any server, kill them with your gun.

And when they start threads in places like this, and on massassi, and on local game networks COMPLAINING about us and our dishonourable behaviour, you must respond with lightning clarity... "We play this game the way it was meant to be played. If you don't like it, go fiddle in Baldur's Gate."

But make no mistake, fanboys will never be eradicated totally. Like the Dark Side, they'll lie in wait for centuries, millennia even until we grow complacent and lax in our watch. Then they'll strike.

The price of a fanboy-free community is eternal vigilance, and constant involvement in the community. If we're happy with the game, we must all tell the developers so, so that they don't change it on the behest of the vocal minority of fanboys.

Amen to that, the spoon is one your side (and also cos you hosted my game int the tourney, I'm sitll to pay you back)
Also the RPG peps shoudl stick to their own servers and stuff and keep away from the ordinary uncivilised people.
It should be clear by now that this is an fps with "rpg elements"
Doesn't mean that we sohudl be invaded by rpgers :p

Darth Vicious
04-04-2003, 05:32 PM
it's dues ex all over again... :mad:

Oh, wait, i actually liked Dues Ex. :D

Well, no worries, guys. Although i'll give the RPG single-player all i got, When i play multi-player, you can count on me being a ganking taunting honorless dirty-fighting jackass all the way.

Mandalorian54
04-04-2003, 06:14 PM
WIEGRAF!!!... i'm addicted to FFT again for like the 7th time...

check out SHINRAONLINE.com it's a forum like this one, if you register you can select from tons of FFT avatars. Just copy them to your computer and upload them to this site as your avatar.

unless of course you were just suggesting that you liked FFT and had no intension of wanting an FFT avatar.

But in case you do hear is the URL:Shinraonline FFT avatars (http://www.shinraonline.net/board/member.php?s=&avatcat=14&action=editavatar#jump)



And good luck to all those dedicated to eliminating the RP nerds. Your quest is noble, may God bless you!

mabee we should start a RPeliminator clan or somthing. Hmmm...



edit: that URL doesn't seem to be accessible, looks like you'll have to do it the hard way:(

Spider AL
04-04-2003, 06:37 PM
Well, no worries, guys. Although i'll give the RPG single-player all i got, When i play multi-player, you can count on me being a ganking taunting honorless dirty-fighting jackass all the way.Remember, honour isn't bowing before duels, honour isn't letting fanboys spin around and amkiss.

Honour is behaving like a grown-up, being civil, not insulting or whining. Fanboys scream about honour all the time, but they don't know the meaning of the word, in fact they're the most dishonourable of all players. They dirty the word "honour" when they type it. We must crush them all!

Agen and Zodiac, good points.

lllKyNeSlll
06-24-2003, 12:59 PM
UJ i wish I can do those things you do in ur laming vids. Everytime I enter so/ff server thats ffa I feel sorry for most of the guys and don't do anything. The only time I have ever seriously tried to lame was when me and evil as hell entered this australian server. We got owned with 200+ ping by a bunch of australian guys that actually had really nice ptks.

The only two all guns fags i have ever met was desnipa and creator. BUt I have been in ffa servers where ppl load up on armor and stuff saber off and will complain if you attack them since they are loading.

lllKyNeSlll
06-24-2003, 01:03 PM
UJ everytime I try to pull off your stunts I start feeling sorry for the ppl in those so/ff ffa servers and don't do anything. I no longer play ffa guns, only tffa, ctf and 1v1. But when I used to I remmeber there was a bunch of serveres where ppl would run around saber off to load up on armor and would complain if you shoot them. Only 2 gun fags that i have met on select servers are-desnipa and creator.

But I welcome the masses of angry newbs that will come in when jk3 comes out. But I do wish for a larger elite community which jk1 did not really provide. Even many of the twl players are just brainless newbs.

kusanagi
06-24-2003, 01:27 PM
orignally posted by Emon
...or what if Raven would stick to the objective of their plans, which is to make a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER and leave out the RPG elements for morons who like to ruin the game which is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER and you go play a real ROLE PLAYING GAME

....is this really a FPS?? there's no denying the fact that this is no longer a pure FPS ever since that first monment lightsabers are introduced. with that in mind, i think Raven really should be implmenting some sort of RPG mode for those player who prefer those 1v1 saber duels (which i enjoyed), and shooters mode for the majority of us here (which i enjoyed more if a server sets up the right force powers).

oh yea i think SC's a bad idea, and hopefully they'll vanish when SWG comes out.

praenuntius
06-24-2003, 01:59 PM
I'd agree with any feature that let us see as first glance (and filter out/in) whether an MP game is intended for actual fighting or as an interesting online talky thing. Maybe a "custom" gametype where you can change the game type to anything you'd like (hopefully discriptive) and a box where you can type (maybe a maximum of 200 characters) an extra description to clarify things.

There are usually uses for stuff that weren't intended or even thought of when they were designed. Obviously I'm not condoning the forcing of new rules in an existing game and upon its players, but as they can distinguish themselves in their own online games as role-players then I don't see the harm.

And also, terms like "gay" and "fag" can be ambiguous in meaning. For those who use those words: if you mean to refer to "stupid people" then use other terms. Being homosexual shouldn't be an insult as it's valid and not usually a choice people make.

Prime
06-24-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by kusanagi
....is this really a FPS?? there's no denying the fact that this is no longer a pure FPS ever since that first monment lightsabers are introduced. It is still a FPS in every sense of the of the word. The lightsaber is just another weapon, and does not change this. There have been knifes, swords, explosive charges, batons, and so on in many FPS, before JO.

Rad Blackrose
06-24-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by zerowingzero
http://www.oculis.org/asc/index.html


The now dead *ASC* main site...(due to lack of -SC-)

lol looking at this site made me want to play jk2 in the first place...

First of all, whatchu talking about, *ASC* being dead. I'm still standing, last time I checked.

What's so nice is finally people are waking the bloody hell up and seeing what was wrong with JKII from the beginning, and now are planning to stop it. I'd be damned if I would allow someone like Slow-Burn to kickstart the SC again and let him get away with it.

What people fail to see is respect is earned, not handed out like the town bike where everyone gets a ride (ok, bad analogy). Since I dare say that I refuse to acknowledge 7/8 of the player base because they can't pull their heads out of their arse and recognize that respect is not due in their general direction, I'll continue to open a can on them on their servers.

Someone pass me my saber, the one that says "Fanboy's Worst Nightmare" on it (I'll take some detpacks for the Blackrose Special too).

EDIT: And for those complaining about the sitting emotes in Jedi Master or CTF: get some detpacks, surround the sitting bastard with said detpacks, then pull the trigger.

Val Nathras
06-24-2003, 04:11 PM
I'm normally a "to each their own" kinda guy but I'm seriously getting annoyed by all the SabreDown=Peace and the "Let's stand around and chat for a few hours" servers. Sometimes it takes forever to find a server where people are actually fighting instead of BS'ing or posing. For once I would like to see a server that says "You are unwise to lower your defenses!!!" or "SaberDown=InstaGib"on startup. Or even "Excessive babbling will result in kick!". Oh yeah. Roleplaying. WTF is up with that?! Whenever I see one of those I feel like I opened up a fridge and found last years chili.

lllKyNeSlll
06-24-2003, 05:27 PM
Its mainly that bowing stuff thats annoying. Now that ppl in my clan even bow (pyro, don'ot know if he's screwing round or for real) and reborn with his (gf). But these silly newbs only make me feel sorry, thats why I never make laming vids like UJ

txa1265
06-24-2003, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by lllKyNeSlll
Its mainly that bowing stuff thats annoying. Now that ppl in my clan even bow (pyro, don'ot know if he's screwing round or for real) and reborn with his (gf). But these silly newbs only make me feel sorry, thats why I never make laming vids like UJ

Not only that ... it is one thing to bow in a Duel server - you can have rules or whatever. It gets me in FFA - didn't that mean FREE FOR ALL last time I checked, as in kill everything in sight? Only when I find Jedi Master games do I get something like a pure fight - I'll miss that mode, my only real quality MP time was spent there ...

Mike

shock ~ unnamed
06-24-2003, 06:54 PM
heh, nothing wrong w/ a "gf" or even a bow Kynes.
It's no different than a gg at the end of a CTF match or a "nice shot" comment between two gunners.

But that's a hell of a lot different than the OMFG!! OMGF!!!! HE LAMED ME, YES THAT MOTHER ****** HAS NO HONOR HE LAMMMEEDD MEEE!!!1111" nonsense that is common on jk2 servers these days.

As for the demos, I really don't go around trying to make them. It is just almost impossible to connect to a jk2 server anymore w/o having a pack of angry "honor Jedi" noobs flip out because I brushed up against them w/ a saber so I just record once they start going ballistic.

Mr.Joshua
06-24-2003, 08:14 PM
Sorry this post is long but I've got to respond to some of these posts and I had missed this thread previously. With that in mind, here we go...



Originally posted by Ronin_Medjai
I dont see whats wrong with JKO RPGs .I agree with you a hundred percent that the RPers shouldnt go to FFA servers and try to force their 'RPG Cult Ways' on the FFAers . I play all aspects of JKO and one of them is RPG,but seriously sometimes I get tired of typing and just wanna blow something up,but to say dont include RPG aspects in JKIII is biased and wrong. What someone does with their copy of JKO is their buisness and you shouldnt criticise them for it. Yeah sure if they come into a FFA and get all pissed off cause you guys arent RPing be my guest to get mad,but just /kick the guy fromur server problem solved...dont ruin the Other Genres of JKO world for others just for you opinionated views.
And as I said in the Sticky thread at top just include thewse rpg features for cheat enabled or something...or just leave the option open for us to be able to create an RPG Mod from it thats All I was asking... I guarantee you RPers using RPG Mod wont bother ur FFA servers ;)

The point is that ALL of the FFA servers have become gay'ed out RPG palaces. Go to any other game and join a DM server, see how many rules there are. Usually no cursing and no cheating is the extent. You're not armed in any other game, oh well, tough ****.

Originally posted by Spider AL
Bah, you're all lightweights. This is the original and best fanboy-parody post: Phayyde's Book of Honor (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44054) ;)

DEALING with fanboys is quite simple. You kill them all. All the time. Everywhere.

Make no mistake, they've declared war on us, so we must fight them with equal intensity. The fanboy invaders will never EVER take our FPS away from us. They will die in ignominy, for they are the truly dishonourable ones.

So if you see some fanboys organising a duel in any server except a duel server, kill them with your gun. If you see them pretending to be proprieters of shops or galactic barbers in any server, kill them with your gun.

And when they start threads in places like this, and on massassi, and on local game networks COMPLAINING about us and our dishonourable behaviour, you must respond with lightning clarity... "We play this game the way it was meant to be played. If you don't like it, go fiddle in Baldur's Gate."

But make no mistake, fanboys will never be eradicated totally. Like the Dark Side, they'll lie in wait for centuries, millennia even until we grow complacent and lax in our watch. Then they'll strike.

The price of a fanboy-free community is eternal vigilance, and constant involvement in the community. If we're happy with the game, we must all tell the developers so, so that they don't change it on the behest of the vocal minority of fanboys.

HAHAHAHAH ROFLMFAO!!!!

Originally posted by Emon
People want emotes that make you invulerable so you can sit on your ass and annoy other people. Asside from being annoying as ****, it ****s up gameplay. There's nothing worse than some ass hole with the flag on his back sitting Indian style in the middle of the map. The game never ****ing ends.

Hence why we have all emotes disabled on our server. Plus we're using the new Jedi Academy mod 1.3, ChosenOne recoded the emotes so they couldn't be used in such a way, IE can't emote out of a DFA, etc.

Originally posted by nova_wolf
I think that a nice server of their own would be a good way to handle this.

I liked the online code of honour of bowing, but only at the start of a duel - was nice.

One of the servers I played on had a specific area where the Code was upheld. An exhibition area. Bespins Landing pad normally. the whole saber on / off was upheld there only.

Everywhere else was open season. That worked well. Proper duelling was allowed in one place, blasting in another.

But I agree that this whole RPGing it to match the films is crap though.

If you want that, make a level to emmulate the movie sequences.

Just as long as people do accept a server inposed honour code, then thats good.

Its like religion. Practise it where its wanted - dont preach to or try and convert those who honestly couldnt give a Wokie's testical - it will only end in tears and blood - YOURS!

WE DONT WANT THEM MAKING 14814815 DIFFERENT SERVERS WITH RPG QUALITIES!!! ONE OR TWO IS FINE BUT NOT EVERY DANG FFA SERVER LIKE IT IS NOW, SOME OF US LIKE TO SLASH AND FRAG WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT GETTING FLAMED OR VOTE KICKED.

Originally posted by Zodiac
Raven should not look at the movies to see how good gameplay works in a game. A game is a game, a movie is a movie.

Usually, if you want things the same as in the movie, it's not fun for the gameplay.

Don't focus on realism and the movie, focus on great, fantastic, exciting gameplay.

Indeed. Not to mention this game isn't called The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, or Return of the Jedi, it's called Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy and last time I checked there was no movie using either title.

My overall spin:
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PEOPLE! STAY AWAY FROM JEDI ACADEMY IF YOU WANT TO RPG! Let it return to the way this series was meant, as a FPS with a saber, NOT an FPS/RPG. You have KOTOR for that in SP, and in 2 days you'll all have SWG to RPG to your hearts content. I really don't want to have to wait till NEXT summer for a star wars based TRUE FPS (Republic Commando built on the Unreal Warfare engine if you don't know what I'm talking about comes out summer 2004).

Guardian Omega
06-25-2003, 12:41 AM
Heheh, good topic, I'd agree with the fact that it should focus on the FPS aspect of this game and not the RPG aspect, if there was one from the start.:rolleyes:

Indeed, I can't find a good server anymore that's SO FFA, and there are only two good pub gun servers anymore. It's really rediculous to see everyone sitting around and walking around. It's VERY tempting to "lame" them because it's so boring, unlike other FPS where it is truly FFA.

RPG fanboys are also here, if you want to take a look.
http://s1.cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/gentopic.asp?board=32648

kusanagi
06-25-2003, 12:49 AM
It is still a FPS in every sense of the of the word. The lightsaber is just another weapon, and does not change this. There have been knifes, swords, explosive charges, batons, and so on in many FPS, before JO.

But here lies the problem, the lightsaber is not JUST a weapon, it was made to sum how match all other weapons (the game was called JEDI outcast after all), it didnt work of coz, but its still in the game, and its making JO having this stupid identity crsis, not to mention those damn fanboys...

Mr.Joshua
06-25-2003, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by Guardian Omega
Heheh, good topic, I'd agree with the fact that it should focus on the FPS aspect of this game and not the RPG aspect, if there was one from the start.:rolleyes:

Indeed, I can't find a good server anymore that's SO FFA, and there are only two good pub gun servers anymore. It's really rediculous to see everyone sitting around and walking around. It's VERY tempting to "lame" them because it's so boring, unlike other FPS where it is truly FFA.

RPG fanboys are also here, if you want to take a look.
http://s1.cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/gentopic.asp?board=32648

What are you talking about? That's the only fun now. Go into one of these servers and lame away. I'm banned on atleast 5 servers for doing it. They deserve all the laming we can give them till JA comes out.

Taran'atar
06-25-2003, 04:23 AM
Personally, I don't much care about MP crap in JK3. If the community is anything like the community in JO, then as far as I'm concerned, the MP portion of the game is DOA. I like Outcast for it's single player. I'd imagine that the same will be true for Academy. If I want a good multiplayer experience, I'll play a game where the average online player has intelligence and maturity higher than that of a twelve year old.

lllKyNeSlll
06-25-2003, 10:47 AM
As long as the elite community is big enough, I don't mind. I personally think that jk3 will be a better game than jk2. JK2 probably was a better single player game than multiplayer. Many people disliked the gameplay, and if I hadn't realized that it was q3 engine that you could strafe jump, I probably would have walked away too since it was a bit too slow at first.

Prime
06-25-2003, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by kusanagi
But here lies the problem, the lightsaber is not JUST a weapon, it was made to sum how match all other weapons (the game was called JEDI outcast after all), it didnt work of coz, but its still in the game, and its making JO having this stupid identity crsis, not to mention those damn fanboys... I don't know if it was made to be the equal of other weapons. Was it really designed that way, or is that just how people wanted it to be? Yes, JO is about Jedis, but it is also a part of the JK series of games, which has always featured the guns along with the lightsaber. This is a different mentality than the Jedi we see in the movie prequels. People seem to be tryng to apply their vision of what a Jedi should be, and it doesn't match directly what is in the game. Kyle is a different breed. I think JO does treat the lightsaber as just another weapons, because Kyle uses it as just another weapon. People want to make it more than that, and that's were the identity crisis comes in, not with the game itself.

I know what your saying though :)