Dagobahn Eagle
04-03-2003, 09:08 PM
After some observation of debates on the subject, and the observation that religious debates are widely accepted at this forum, I've come to the decision that this topic should be debated. There's still disagreement on this, mostly because of religion, and I feel there's room for my favourite pastime: A debate.
The question is: Should the USA support free marriage (=the marrying of whoever you want to, regarding of gender)?
Personally, yes. My first question is, why not?
On to my arguments. As I said in my Private Message to TIE Guy (Christian), in the United States of America we have religious freedom, as stated in the first amendment of our beloved (more or less) constitution:
"Congress shall make no law concerning the estabilishment of religion; or the free excersice thereof".
Personally, I think laws prohibiting girls and boys from marrying each others are ridiculous. The first amendment states that
(…)The government shall make no laws concerning the estabilishment of religion, or the free excersice thereof(…)
Doesn't this basically make a law prohibiting Free Marriage unconstitutional?
Also (this is basically a build on my last argument) I hate laws concerning marriage of girls and boys because while they are probably intended for christians who condemn marriage, they also affect christians, and followers of other religions, who don't necessarily condemn christianity. I can see how this argument doesn't make sense to countries with state religions, but the United States is not allowed to have a state religion (1st amendment, as quoted).
There'd be a public outrage and rioting if, to give examples, a Hindu leader passed a law prohibiting the eating of meat because it's against the Hindu religion. And there'd be an outrage if a Muslim president passed a law banning the drawing of the heads of religious figures. And how many Americans would approve of a law that forced all stores to close on Sundays, in faith of one of the Commandments? All these laws would be imposing, or forcing, your religious views on others.
Note that the constitution says FREE excersice, that is, excersice of religion beyond or in contradiction of what's stated in books (for example a christian ceremony where two christians marry in a church, contradicting the Bible).
I conclude with saying that I'm saddened to see such a law put in effect (or maybe rather, the lack of a law legalizing free marriage in the first place) modern nations.
I'm saddened by how you can, in many countries, shout out nazi slogans wearing a white Ku Klux Klan bed-sheet, how you can place highly offensive neo-nazi games on the Web, and other really offensive and disturbing and hurtful things, but you can't do something as trivial as marrying whoever you want, even though the Constitution (probably by accident, as they practically burned boy couples on the fire in the 17 houndreds;)) gave you that right.
You may find it perverted to look at a girl kissing a girl, but does that give you the right to take their rights away? I'm not going to force churches to wed pairs of boys (although I think this'd be covered by the Capitalist law that says that all customers have to be treated equally. The couples, after all, do pay for the ceremony). That wouldn't be freedom of religion either. All I'm saying is that if a girl couple wants to marry, and a priest wants to wed them, let them carry out the ceremony.
What I'm saying is that frankly, one of the reasons why we have separation between religion and state is that we want total religious freedom. The American constitution does guarantee us full religious freedom.
I'm not asking for a law that legalizes universal marriage, because as I've stated, we already have such a law (although it doesn't guarantee you to marry in church, but in any other place). All I'm asking is you do not infringe on that law into effect and give the people the democratic right that they are supposed to have had since that faithful day on July 4th, 1776. Thank you.
The question is: Should the USA support free marriage (=the marrying of whoever you want to, regarding of gender)?
Personally, yes. My first question is, why not?
On to my arguments. As I said in my Private Message to TIE Guy (Christian), in the United States of America we have religious freedom, as stated in the first amendment of our beloved (more or less) constitution:
"Congress shall make no law concerning the estabilishment of religion; or the free excersice thereof".
Personally, I think laws prohibiting girls and boys from marrying each others are ridiculous. The first amendment states that
(…)The government shall make no laws concerning the estabilishment of religion, or the free excersice thereof(…)
Doesn't this basically make a law prohibiting Free Marriage unconstitutional?
Also (this is basically a build on my last argument) I hate laws concerning marriage of girls and boys because while they are probably intended for christians who condemn marriage, they also affect christians, and followers of other religions, who don't necessarily condemn christianity. I can see how this argument doesn't make sense to countries with state religions, but the United States is not allowed to have a state religion (1st amendment, as quoted).
There'd be a public outrage and rioting if, to give examples, a Hindu leader passed a law prohibiting the eating of meat because it's against the Hindu religion. And there'd be an outrage if a Muslim president passed a law banning the drawing of the heads of religious figures. And how many Americans would approve of a law that forced all stores to close on Sundays, in faith of one of the Commandments? All these laws would be imposing, or forcing, your religious views on others.
Note that the constitution says FREE excersice, that is, excersice of religion beyond or in contradiction of what's stated in books (for example a christian ceremony where two christians marry in a church, contradicting the Bible).
I conclude with saying that I'm saddened to see such a law put in effect (or maybe rather, the lack of a law legalizing free marriage in the first place) modern nations.
I'm saddened by how you can, in many countries, shout out nazi slogans wearing a white Ku Klux Klan bed-sheet, how you can place highly offensive neo-nazi games on the Web, and other really offensive and disturbing and hurtful things, but you can't do something as trivial as marrying whoever you want, even though the Constitution (probably by accident, as they practically burned boy couples on the fire in the 17 houndreds;)) gave you that right.
You may find it perverted to look at a girl kissing a girl, but does that give you the right to take their rights away? I'm not going to force churches to wed pairs of boys (although I think this'd be covered by the Capitalist law that says that all customers have to be treated equally. The couples, after all, do pay for the ceremony). That wouldn't be freedom of religion either. All I'm saying is that if a girl couple wants to marry, and a priest wants to wed them, let them carry out the ceremony.
What I'm saying is that frankly, one of the reasons why we have separation between religion and state is that we want total religious freedom. The American constitution does guarantee us full religious freedom.
I'm not asking for a law that legalizes universal marriage, because as I've stated, we already have such a law (although it doesn't guarantee you to marry in church, but in any other place). All I'm asking is you do not infringe on that law into effect and give the people the democratic right that they are supposed to have had since that faithful day on July 4th, 1776. Thank you.