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HertogJan
04-06-2003, 09:12 AM
OK, do you want to fight stormies :trooper: again in Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, or will you be satisfied with fighting another dark alliance, who's fighters happen to have lightsabers??

Hekx
04-06-2003, 09:15 AM
Stormies are Star Wars.

I'm not purchasing it, unless I get to whoop some Imperial butt. :D

:trooper: "Hey, you there!"

T-Dogg
04-06-2003, 09:40 AM
Sure I want stormtroopers. I won't be particularly sad if there are none, but having some in there would be cool...

Obi_Kwiet
04-06-2003, 09:43 AM
I'd say one of my favrote moments in JK and JK2 was when i finily got to slice stormies with my sabre. if there were no storm troopers. it just wouldent feel like Star Wars. Killing jedi IS fun but i feel that you still need some run-of-the mill Stormieis to terrise to make it Star Wars.:saberb: :saberg: :saberr:

SettingShadow
04-06-2003, 09:51 AM
HELL YEAH!!!!!!

"The Death Star plans are not in the main computer"

"Blast them"

"Have you seen the new TC- 16?"

etc...

ahh, Stormies, Stormies... I love them... would I buy it if they're not in? yea... but wont be as fun... at all... :(

Hekx
04-06-2003, 09:56 AM
Hopefully someone will make a mod which replaces the Reborn-dudes with Stormies, so not everything's lost. ;)

nova_wolf
04-06-2003, 10:16 AM
Well, some of them, as Stormies can be taken on in large numbers for a very satisfactory armour slicing result!

But as long as its saber based, I'll get Jedi on anything that moves, looks or smells like and Imp!

SithLord13
04-06-2003, 10:38 AM
Who wouldnt want to to kill storm troopers???:confused:

greedo626
04-06-2003, 10:59 AM
DIE, STORMIES, DIE!!!:evil2:

Taos
04-06-2003, 11:35 AM
It just isn't a star wars game unless there is some kind of imperial storm trooper in it.

I hope they have some new line in it......something different then "hey, you there." :)

master_thomas
04-06-2003, 12:05 PM
There are few greater joys in JK2 than NPC spawning a whole lot of stormies, putting on full dismemberment, and using lv. 3 saber throw, watching arms, legs, torsos, and heads flying everywhere. :evil1: "Hey you th-auuuuggghhh"

AJL
04-06-2003, 12:11 PM
I think that things shouldn't go too well for the new
rebublic... soo... Yes i want Imperials...

I want NEW EMPIRE and NEW EMPEROR (or maybe
that Palpatine didn't die somohow...)

Soo... i don't want some old remnants... I want new
superior stormtrooper armies... maybe new clone
and droid armies...

I want that most of the Jedis will die... I don't want
that this game will (AGAIN) end so that bad boys are
defeated...

I want more dark times... and I want that the shroud
of the dark side will fall again !

leXX
04-06-2003, 12:16 PM
I love slicing stormies. I hope Raven adds a few Stormies that bang their heads on various things. :D

AKPiggott
04-06-2003, 01:08 PM
I definately want Imperials but I want them used to a much smaller degree. One of the most disappointing things about JO was the lack of variation in enemies. The Stormtroopers were very prominent in the SP portion of the game, but other enemies such as the TIE Pilots and the Trandoshans appeared literally once or twice throughout the entire campaign.

I'd like to see Dark Troopers in the game. I know Katarn presumebly put an end to the Dark Troopers in Dark Forces, but they managed to work them into Galactic Battlegrounds.

nova_wolf
04-06-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Leemu Taos
I hope they have some new line in it......something different then "hey, you there." :)

I would have thought that by this point, Imps would be FULLY aware of how effective they are against Jedi, and would be shouting things like:

"I have a wife and three kids...."

"I thought this was a fancy dress party!"

"Errr.. ust looking for the bathroom!"

"Hes an officer - kill him!"

"I SURRENDER!"

:p

If we tick with just the Republic vs Imp plot, then we cannot avoid this.

Thats why when I wrote the Family Bond missions, it was against an independant Sith threat - no Imp ties. With the void of basic enemies gaping and in need of filling, we came up with some CRACING ideas (minor enemies could have low level Force powers, so it was not just the Reborn-analogs that could use Push or Grip. Priests had Lightning..... Check it at my ste for more details....
Oracle Systems Home Page (http://embark.to/oracle)
And NO! I will NEVER stop plugging it - it was a GREAT idea.... *crys* )

Wacky_Baccy
04-06-2003, 04:14 PM
Posted by Squater
HELL YEAH!!!!!!

"The Death Star plans are not in the main computer"

"Blast them"

"Have you seen the new TC- 16?"

etc...

ahh, Stormies, Stormies... I love them... would I buy it if they're not in? yea... but wont be as fun... at all... :( What he said :)

I'll be gutted if Stormies (and Imperials in general) aren't in the game... They're as much Star Wars as the Jedi or lighsabres are :(

I expect that Raven will probably have them in somewhere though... I just hope that the storyline is a little better this time around... It wasn't bad last time, but it definitely felt lacking in quite a few areas :(

Silent_Thunder
04-06-2003, 04:26 PM
Stormtroopers a must! It couldn't be Dark Forces, or a REAL Star Wars game without them!

And I wouldn't mind seeing Darktroopers again either! Who knows, maybe 1 or 2 phase 2s survived... and are in hibernation on some abandoned imperial outpost that you have to explore?

HertogJan
04-07-2003, 09:22 AM
Please let Raven release a screen (or trailer :D) with stormies, PLEEEASE!!!

Oh BTW, if there are going to be AT-ST in the game, the Imperial forces can't be far away :) So untill I hear otherwise, I'll consider this a good sign :D

Pedro The Hutt
04-07-2003, 09:49 AM
I don't think there would be much missions to go onto to help the New Republic if there weren't any imperials around. (and for AJL, you might be happy to know that the Palpatine has appeared as a clone of himself twice during the post RotJ era)

PhantomHelix
04-07-2003, 12:59 PM
there has to be a few stormies... and imagine if you could customize the force powers.

ie: you walk into a room, and the stormies make a circle around you. you stand there, your eyes go white, adn suddenly all the stormies are pushed backwards, adn they all go flying....omg, that would own.

Deadeye
04-07-2003, 02:26 PM
I think it might be cool to have the Imps again, but maybe in a small way. Maybe the Academy has thought that the last Imps were mostly gone, but then you realize that someone is using stormies again. I also think that they should add the Scout Troopers and Snow Troopers. I loved that MOTS had all those new character models. That reminds me, I think it would be cool to have scout troopers with speeder bikes. Maybe even a driveable bike!

Prime
04-07-2003, 02:36 PM
No Imperials = not Dark Forces Game

Also, good to see that no one said to replace the Imperials with the Vong ;)

HertogJan
04-07-2003, 02:59 PM
Hey that's an even better idea; REPLACE THEM WITH THE VONG!!


Er... who are the Vong?? :confused: /me feels n00b

And I don't need drivable vehicles, scouttroopers etc. I just want stormies!! Oh maybe some of those battle droids would be cool, I can image they run out of stormies some time :D

AJL
04-07-2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Deadeye
I think it might be cool to have the Imps again, but maybe in a small way. Maybe the Academy has thought that the last Imps were mostly gone, but then you realize that someone is using stormies again....

But i think it would be better if when you realize that
someone is using storm troopers again it wouldn't be
just some little activity... (not IN SMALL WAY)

I would really like that this time the enemy would be
stronger and victory in the game (if i choose light side)
wouldn't mean that enemies are defeated but that we
(main characters) barely survived... (and if i choosed
the dark side then maybe i killed that sith masters
apprentice and took his place or something...)

Anyway... game should end so that the darkside have
the advantage and there is or is about to be new
empire...

Andy867
04-07-2003, 03:26 PM
If anything, I'd say let the first 2 missions be finishing off the rest of the stormies, and when you are about to, the new Dark Alliance makes a brief appearance to finish the stormies for you, but then like Darth Maul against Qui-gon on Tattooine, they attack, but you are rescued in the nick of time. Whats weird is that during the original script of Star Wars, everyone, including Stormtroopers, were to have lightsabers.. Not just the jedi and sith...

Deadeye
04-07-2003, 03:28 PM
What I meant by "in a small way" was that you did not encounter them too soon, and then throughout the game. Maybe later on in the game when you uncover some big plot. Then the Imps can flow forth. It was great in JK1 when you heard the stormies talking then, Kyle says, "Stormtroopers!" That was a great moment, having not seen a single one up till that point.

Speaking of giving the darkside some sort of advantage, look at JK1 If you chose light side, you had a balance during saber boss fights. But you ended up not being as brutal during the levels. With darkside, you had somewhat tougher boss fights since no one could effectively defend against each other's force powers. In the regular levels you had a great advantage in dishing out death to the stormies. I thought that balance was kinda cool, and very Jedi/Sith like.

Lanceo9
04-07-2003, 03:56 PM
What are dark troopers.... somone wanna give me a screen... I WANNA KILL STORMIES!

Andy867
04-07-2003, 04:20 PM
Dark Troopers were the enemies in JK1 that were like enhanced StormTroopers.

joesdomain
04-07-2003, 04:35 PM
It wouldn't be Jedi Knight without Stormtroopers. A bonus would be to include Imperial Snow Troopers and Imperial Scout Troopers with or without Speeder Bikes. I hope they bring back Imperial Probe Droids, Imperial Officers, Navy Troopers, and maybe a AT-ST Walker. I sorta like the Dark Forces idea of having Darktroopers.

Tesla
04-07-2003, 06:22 PM
if they don't have stormtroopers in SP they will probarly have a playable version in MP :D

joesdomain
04-07-2003, 07:43 PM
I probably wouldn't buy the game if they weren't in it. It wouldn't be Star Wars without Stormtroopers, probe droids, imperial officers, etc. Maybe they will show other imperial things like Tie Fighters, Imperial Shuttles, etc.

AlzWisHum
04-07-2003, 08:02 PM
Ok, I must say I voted #3 for sake of humor. :D

But there is two things I'd like to kill the most: Battledroids (in appropriate AI) and that Rancor (Raven granted my wish).
;)

BrodieCadden
04-08-2003, 01:47 AM
"Do you want to fight Imperials in JA??"

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Of course I do.

I also think they should introduce an enemy called the "arrogant bystander". They see you whooping arse, they know you can whoop their arse, yet they still challenge you to a fight, and they always lose. Always.

That would be sweet. Just force push 'em around.

AJL
04-08-2003, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by Deadeye
What I meant by "in a small way" was that you did not encounter them too soon, and then throughout the game. Maybe later on in the game when you uncover some big plot. Then the Imps can flow forth. It was great in JK1 when you heard the stormies talking then, Kyle says, "Stormtroopers!" That was a great moment, having not seen a single one up till that point.


Hmm... YES thats great... I mean that it would at first seem that
imperium is gone and everything is about OK and you go and do
some "minor" stuff here and there and then sometime (about in
the middle of the game) you find some "indefinite" leads that
there is may be something relatively big going on and you get
order to go and investigate and you find out that there are
some "old imperial remnants" and they send some X-Wing squads and...

BUT then you find out that maybe it is not so small after all and
that there are hundreds of imperial star destroyer preparing for
launch and there are maybe millions of storm troopers or some
new clone troopers or ... and then you get spotted...

And after that point... you are no longer attacking

(AND game should have similar ending like EP2 (= you kind of
win but in the biger scale you lost.....)

And then maybe next game will continue from there...

rolsen
04-08-2003, 03:39 AM
I agree with you AJL... it would be sweet if they went with the Empire Strikes Back vibe and have a qasi-good ending with a touch of dread. ESB is the best Star Wars IMO (and many others), so why not have a similar feeling at the end of this game?

SettingShadow
04-08-2003, 06:45 AM
I would like it if some new new dark organization started to become a problem for the new republic (that just happens to have "guys with lightsabers" at their disposal), and that your sent to investigate. Then, after a while, you find out that this organization cooperates with the again growing empire and that a sinister plan is being put into action against the new republic.. or something of the kind.

That would be great IMO. :)

txa1265
04-08-2003, 07:36 AM
I like the progression of Sttormtroopers from DF ->JK -> JO in terms of models and AI. I would like to see them in JA. It will not, however, impact my decision to buy this game ... which I've already made (can I preorder?!?!). So long as I get a saber and force powers, I'll buy it ...

Mike

AJL
04-08-2003, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by Squater
I would like it if some new new dark organization started to become a problem for the new republic (that just happens to have "guys with lightsabers" at their disposal), and that your sent to investigate. Then, after a while, you find out that this organization cooperates with the again growing empire and that a sinister plan is being put into action against the new republic.. or something of the kind.

That would be great IMO. :)

Hmm... but those saber guys should be "elite/leaders"...

Their real ARMIES should still be made of stormtroopers,
clonetroopers, some kind of battle droids and devices...

but this time it shouldn't be the best way to go that you
try to kill them all... or actually shouldn't be able to...
(there should be UNLIMITED amounts of them...)

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SettingShadow
04-08-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by AJL
Hmm... but those saber guys should be "elite/leaders"...

Their real ARMIES should still be made of stormtroopers,
clonetroopers, some kind of battle droids and devices...

but this time it shouldn't be the best way to go that you
try to kill them all... or actually shouldn't be able to...
(there should be UNLIMITED amounts of them...)

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Of course they should be elite, the "guys with lightsabers" wasnt meant serious. :)

Yup, unlimited amounts of good ol' stormies.... mmmm. Slicing thousands of stormie heads off... mmm

And I agree with you that it should end in a bit of a dark way. A defeat in the victory kinda... maybe your victorious, but then, in an end cutscene, you see... something threatening... cant come up with anything right now.

AJL
04-08-2003, 09:46 AM
(unlimited stormtroopers or clonetroopers or battle droids or...)

I meant it so that you should FEEL that the enemy is SUPERIOR
over you and that you have to be stealthy or the game is going
to get REALLY HARD but still even if you rush in it shouldn't just
trigger GAME OVER...

But instead those quards or what ever would make alarm and
the enemy would send those troopers (and every time you kill
one trooper they send two more...) so couldn't just kill them
all but you would have to hide/backoff/... (somehow make
them think that you are not there anymore...)

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1. Game should end like EP2 (in small scale you win but in
big scale you are far from victory...)

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Story example:

You get order to go to investigate some old imperial base
where is now some small activity and when you get there
you find out that everyone in there have been killed but
you find some "trace" and you follow that trace to some
other place and from there to some other place (things
keeps getting worse and worse all the time...)

Finally you find out what this is all about.... These bad guys
are building new space crafts even more powerfull than
Super Start destroyer and that they are also making some
battle droids or clone soldiers or...

(Soo then you inform your master and... soon you get
information that if this ship with its 10000 sondiers and
1000 tie fighters is complete it will mean the end of the
rebublic and rise of the new empire and bla bla bla...)

Soo then you have to try to sabotage this project but thing
go wrong and then your jedi friends come to help and then
you all sneak in to that ship and try to take it out....

But then you find out that this damn ship is not in really in
developement like you though... its just completed soo you
call the new rebublic to send its fleets to fight against
it and...

(and there are huge battle where lots of X-Wings and jedis
and your side troopers die but in the very end you barely
succeed to destroy the shield generators and new rebublic
destroys the ship... VICTORY!)

Game "complete" but... (now you find out about the truth
you see how hundreds.. maybe thousands of new superior
Hyper Super Stardestroyer take off from all planets around
you...) then yodas "ghost" comes and says: "the shroud
of the dark side has fallen. begun the Hyper Super
Stardestroyer war has..." :D

So... you "win" that first battle but in big scale... things are
now worse that ever...

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SettingShadow
04-08-2003, 02:19 PM
Yes, I understood what you meant with 'unlimited' amount of bla bla bla.... :)

eastcoast2895
04-08-2003, 03:52 PM
i dunno, i wanna see imps but maybe on a side story or working for something bigger. i'd like to see a new type of enemy or at least a larger variety cuz if it like jko and i mostly not see new enemies, i'll be dissappointed. but killing stormtroopers is fun.

FmmF3
04-08-2003, 04:46 PM
I want Biker Scouts and Snow Troopers like in MotS.

Andy867
04-08-2003, 04:59 PM
Personally, I am tired of the stormtroopers. I want a new enemy, new storyline. I like the challenge.. I'd prefer every stormtrooper to be replaced by a Difficult Desann Clone. I want every enemy to seem like a boss... None of this shields stuff.. If I get shot or sabered, I want my character to feel it... Besides, why would a jedi need shields when he has a lightsaber... its like Hello, it technically IS a shield. I want the game to play more like a FPS like Rainbow Six, that if you are shot when holding a gun, you die, none of this 100% or 50% health... And if someone gets hit in the chest or higher, they die, no bringing health down to 33%, any way.. Like I said, I don't want stormtroopers in the game (AT ALL).. I want a new, stronger, better enemy.. Nothing like a 2yrd old could shoot up...

Obi_Kwiet
04-08-2003, 10:29 PM
Whoa I just had an idea! Fighting stormtroopers on bikes! then you would find a bike and there could be a levle like that!

Hey maby on one levle you and an ally would have to gang up on an ATAT!
sry i'm getting a little off tipic but the fact remains i will be dissapointed if there are not imperials in JA. Bear this in bind Raven VERY VERY DISSAPOINTED!! ;)

joesdomain
04-08-2003, 11:24 PM
I think stormtroopers are essestial to Jedi Academy. It wouldn't be a Jedi Knight game without them. I personally think an addition of Imperial Scout Troopers with speeder bikes. I want to be able to kill a Scout Trooper (ROTJ) and steal his bike and use it against the other imperial bad guys. I also think it would be cool to steal a AT-ST and AT-AT Walkers and use it against stormtroopers. Or to blow up a door to get into a base.

Sam
04-09-2003, 01:10 AM
Killing stormtroopers was one of the coolest thing about jkII.
:smash:
:trooper:

Andy867
04-09-2003, 02:21 AM
I actually had more fun killing off the Gungans with the JarJAr mod, then I did with the original game... Plus, with the advanced AI mod a friend made, it made it a better game too.

Prime
04-09-2003, 12:02 PM
I've decided, Stormtroopers stay :)

HertogJan
04-09-2003, 12:29 PM
Wow I'm so glad you decided :rolleyes: :p :p :p

I'd rather have someone from Raven here saying "Oh there will DEFINATELY be stormtroopers in JA, lots of 'em!!" :D

toms
04-09-2003, 01:10 PM
they got a bit repetetive in JK2, but i still think that the more enemies as we can get fron the movies the more it feels like "real starwars".

in JA I'd like to see:
snowtroopers. :snow:
speeder troopers :speeder:
royal guards. :guard:
nogri commandos
boush :boushh:

jawas, sandpeople, banthas, lizard mounted troopers, tautans.

and i'm gonna play :aurra: , or as close as i can get.

TK-8252
08-10-2003, 03:52 AM
I guess that I'm too late to say this but, JA is going to have Stormtroopers and Snowtroopers. I'm not sure about others, but it'll probably have Imperial Officers and I hope it'll have TIE Fighter Pilots, Scout Troopers, and Navy Troopers. Scout Troopers & Navy Troopers are unlikely, but I could make a mod to put them in using fan-made models from Jedi Outcast. (If they put those dumb Imperial Workers in then I can replace them)

GC256
08-10-2003, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by AJL


I meant it so that you should FEEL that the enemy is SUPERIOR
over you and that you have to be stealthy or the game is going
to get REALLY HARD but still even if you rush in it shouldn't just
trigger GAME OVER...
Sorry to dissapoint you but I read in an interview (somewhere) that there isn't nearly as much stealth in JA as JO had.

JEDI OUTCAST
08-10-2003, 06:35 PM
yes i want to fight the stormtroopers again. i thing they are funny in jedi outcast and they will be funny in jedi academy. hey you ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


never fire at a jedi and is lightsaber you know what you will get if you do.

Prime
08-10-2003, 07:48 PM
There definitely was some great dialog between stormtroopers if you took the time to listen :)