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Tyrion
04-10-2003, 07:59 PM
http://archive.nytimes.com/2003/04/09/international/worldspecial/09TERR.html

Just a little warning..

The Patriot Act was passed to temporarily allow the U.S. government to,well, be able to arrest anyone , without any warning or evidence. However, this bill pretty much makes the U.S. government able to arrest anyone without any warning or evidence...permanently. In other words, the U.S. government will have the power to arrest anyone reguardless of evidence.

In short, I want to say...

"Mommy!"

Seph
04-10-2003, 08:06 PM
o man.

swphreak
04-10-2003, 08:09 PM
So that whole "innocent until proven guilty" is just a load of crap now? My what a wonderful governemt I have....

-=DarkZero=-
04-10-2003, 08:19 PM
Just wait,it get's bettter ;)
Stay tuned to the news though,you'll see what I mean.

master_thomas
04-10-2003, 08:22 PM
:confused:Oh boy. Corruption will thrive. Politicians can arrest anyone they want and the victims will have no protection.
Yeeeaaah. ARE THEY INSANE??? OMG!!!

Isn't this unconstitutional? Doesn't the Bill of Rights state that the people have a right to a fair trial? (I forget which one. Isn't it #8?) Come on, Judicial Review.

But Republicans in the Senate in recent days have discussed a proposal, written by Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, that would repeal the sunset provisions and make the law's new powers permanent

PERMANENT??? How did these guys get into office? We are all doomed.

El Sitherino
04-10-2003, 08:22 PM
that sucks ass. my friends dad was arrested because of the freedom act just because he was arabic hes been in america for 25 years and is the most american patriot i have ever known. this has got to be the stupidest thing ever.

Reborn Outcast
04-10-2003, 08:30 PM
Thats (pardon my language) f***** bull****. The fact that they can arrest ANYONE with only suspicion is a load of crap.

Tyrion
04-10-2003, 08:36 PM
It's true,though. I mean, the patriot act is in place,and the only thing this changed is that it makes it pernament.

El Sitherino
04-10-2003, 08:37 PM
well sad to say many people are willing to give up these rights so that they can be "secure" and "safe" it's part of the homeland security

ShockV1.89
04-10-2003, 08:39 PM
Eh. The intentions are good, but it could very, very easily get out of hand. I dont like it.

boinga1
04-10-2003, 08:43 PM
OH MY ****ing....wait wait wait, no cussing, no cussing.

WHO IN THE ****ING **** ELECTED THOSE.....no no no, NO CUSSING!!

Let's just say that that is the biggest BS THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER GONE THROUGH!! THE LIKES OF WHICH HAVEN'T HAPPENED SINCE THE CIVIL WAR!!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!! REVOLT, REVOLT!! WE WANT JUSTICE NOT DICTATORSHIP!!

****ing Republicans....****ing Bush

master_thomas
04-10-2003, 09:05 PM
InsaneSith, ooooooh too bad. Just because he was Arabic. Even though he has been a legal citizen for 11 years and an American for 25 years? No Proof? HOLY ****!!! That is descrimination and is almost definitely illegal. What has this country come to? Man, what lousy government officials. That is also just plain wrong. That is sick. America is supposed to be against that.

<wimper to myself>

Dang, this pisses me off.

Originally posted by Reborn OutcastThats (pardon my language) f***** bull****. The fact that they can arrest ANYONE with only suspicion is a load of crap.

I hear that.

Allow me to express my distaste for this act in a calm, reasonable way. Aww what the heck. This is how I really feel. "You pieces of **** you :swear:" I will not pardon this language. It is justified, not even powerful enough. I'll try this (searches for angry smilies)

":mad: :swear: :disaprove: :snear: **** you you ****ing *****es "ohhh, it's no use. The available smilies and the English language don't express my rage enough. Time for onomotapoeia (excuse spelling) AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH.

I'd rather have held back on the swearing, profanity, etc. this thread might get closed, but it was well worth it. Oooooh this makes me SO MAD!!!

Rogue15
04-10-2003, 09:10 PM
thread closed. I have foreseen it.

TheHobGoblin
04-10-2003, 09:24 PM
I'm a republican but I think edvidence is needed. I don't wanna think about it.

master_thomas
04-10-2003, 09:24 PM
Please no. This is an important issue (actually, it could be discussed in the Senate Chambers subforum). Don't close it PLEASE.

wassup
04-10-2003, 09:31 PM
Damn...:eek:

Our Founding Fathers must be SO ashamed...:(

ckcsaber
04-10-2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by wassup
Damn...:eek:

Our Founding Fathers must be SO ashamed...:(

Why? America is at WAR. The government must protect its citizens. That is imperitive. The war is bringing bigger threats to the citizens, so the government must do what it must to protect the citizens. The government is allowed to do this because of the war.

And it has been done in the past as well....

Reborn Outcast
04-10-2003, 10:18 PM
Ckc if you were arrested and thrown in jail only on suspicion, would you be happy?

ZePhyR
04-10-2003, 10:55 PM
Show us proof that such a bill really exists... Where did you hear this?

Tyrion
04-10-2003, 11:39 PM
From the New York Times website..

*points to link*

matt--
04-10-2003, 11:46 PM
I read it on the the NY Times, slashdot, the aclu site, several newspapers and I might have even seen it on the news.

Have you tuned out the press?

TheJackal
04-11-2003, 12:49 AM
People, this is why you must revolt!

Do a protest! A PUBLIC PROTEST.

I'm allways amazed on how the american government and the government backing media succeded in twisting the definition of words.

They succeded in making people look like terrorists if they do not agree with a bill because it is unpatriotic.

Patriotic is loving your country so much that you see its flaws and you want to fix them to make your country a better place.

Patriotic does not mean you fallow your government to think you do not agree.

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I strongly hope one day the american government will reform itself into a political system more like the UK and Canada. The opposition has a stronger say in everything, and a law can be turned down before it has to go to the senate. Look it up, you'll see its much more strong as a democratic government than anything else.

i have to admit however that the opposition CAN be annoying, but it is their job to question the government majority.

Luc Solar
04-11-2003, 02:15 AM
:eek: OH MY GOD!

But I'm not supposed to be in here anyways so.. :D

nova_wolf
04-11-2003, 06:08 AM
America is too big, and too powerful in most respects.

Couldnt we do what they were supposed to do to microsoft - split it up into four smaller pieces?

(What... what... you think Im kidding!)

Mex
04-11-2003, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by Luc Solar
:eek: OH MY GOD!

But I'm not supposed to be in here anyways so.. :D

Same here.. *runs out of thread screaming*

The_One
04-11-2003, 07:57 AM
You Americans should listen to this guy:

www.michaelmoore.com

Lynk Former
04-11-2003, 08:13 AM
Oh wow great. ¬¬ More great ideas... next let's all crack eachothers heads open and feast on the goo inside... ¬¬

ZBomber
04-11-2003, 08:21 AM
Look at me. i'm Arabic. Arrest me. :rolleyes:
I know give my permission for people to bash the US government... :(

Kstar__2
04-11-2003, 09:46 AM
that's just............that's just..........................i have no words for this:eyeraise:

what the **** where they smoking?


i said it b4, i'll say it again: damn republicans!:mad:

C'jais
04-11-2003, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by ckcsaber
Why? America is at WAR. The government must protect its citizens. That is imperitive. The war is bringing bigger threats to the citizens, so the government must do what it must to protect the citizens. The government is allowed to do this because of the war.

You're not at war. Your regime change in Iraq is over, and the citizens of America were never in danger because of this war.

This claim is as absurd as saying that Iraq was a danger to you because they had connections with Al Qaeda (which they never did), or that they could actually hurt you with their SCUDs (which is an outrageously false statement).

And it has been done in the past as well....

¿Is that an argument?

Clem
04-11-2003, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by C'jais
You're not at war. Your regime change in Iraq is over, and the citizens of America were never in danger because of this war.

This claim is as absurd as saying that Iraq was a danger to you because they had connections with Al Qaeda (which they never did), or that they could actually hurt you with their SCUDs (which is an outrageously false statement).

[B]

¿Is that an argument?

yes didnt u know serial killers get off cos they done it be4 :rolleyes: :D