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hyperspace12
04-14-2003, 08:38 AM
I was just wondering, who here likes Star Trek as well as Star Wars. It seems every Star Wars fan I talk to hates Star Trek and vice versa. Personally, I love them both. They each offer something different.

What do you guys think?

Hannibal
04-14-2003, 08:48 AM
You're right they do offer something different. As a family we used to sit together and watch ST:The Next Generation and there were some very good episodes. But(you knew that was coming) to me, they rely to much on time travel to resolve story lines. Almost every major story line would have something to do with a temporal anomally.

So I don't hate ST, I just think the writers need(ed) to be more creative.

Darklighter
04-14-2003, 08:55 AM
I love them both:)Voyager will remain one of the best TV shows I have ever watched; I loved the characters, the stories were intriguing (and often hilarious), and I always wanted to know what happened next in the plot.

On the other side of the equation, the Star Wars films (well, the OT) are some of the greatest films ever made IMO, and my personal favourites (pretty obvious, since I'm a dedicated member of this place lol).

I don't see why there is such rivalry between SW and ST fans. They are both completely different stories set in completely different universes. I can't possibly say which one is better, because like you said hyperspace, they offer very different things.

Boba Rhett
04-14-2003, 08:58 AM
I have nothing against Star Trek. I like it quite a bit. I love Star Wars though. :)


I didn't care for Voyager though. Well, except for 7 of 9. :D

hyperspace12
04-14-2003, 09:05 AM
In reply to hannibal's comment, I agree that the stories seemed to drop in originality, but I suppose that's what happens when you make over 400 episodes based in the same universe.

Perhaps they use the same story lines to save money by using old CGI fotage.

I was really suprised when I saw Star Trek: Nemesis. It had a much different atmosphere than any other StarTrek movie or episode. I still loved it though.

I think one thing any half intelligent person could appreciate in the Star Wars movies, even if they hate it, is the dedication a complexity involved in creating each one (especially ep2).

Taos
04-14-2003, 10:46 AM
Well, the only Star Trek I really like was TGN. The original series......well, it was just too old for me. I really have no problems with the Trekkies at all.

I am here at LucasForums because I love Star Wars.....I don't know how it happened, but I just can't get enough. :D

ckcsaber
04-14-2003, 02:58 PM
Well, I really don't like Star Trek. The plots of most of the movies seem horrible, and the tv shows do no better. I am not a Star Trek basher (heheh), and I respect other people's opinions (most of the time):p .

Star Wars on the other hand, completly engulfed me, and turned me into the psychopath I am today. I will always be a Star Wars fan, thru thick and thin, and will love every minute of it.

Ratmjedi
04-14-2003, 06:10 PM
Star Wars Nerd's to the end. :D

I love Star Wars and I like Star Trek. Star Wars just has much more to offer in my opinion and so uptight like ST. The movie story's are also very intricate. I mean we have been wondering stuff since the 70's like what was the Old Republic like and the Jedi Order when they numbered in the Millions or Thousands. ST doesn't do that and it's always the the same story over again with new characters, new enviroment, and diffrent time period.

:lsduel: :duel:

Jedi Apprentice
04-14-2003, 10:59 PM
Well, I watched the Wrath of Kahn(sp?) when I was really little and have never liked ST since. The scene where they stuck the insect thing in the men's heads scared the poo out of me.

Thus said, I have no problem with ST, but I'm a straight up SW and LoTR freak. :)

And occasionally other movies.....:p

Darth Simpson
04-15-2003, 06:26 AM
I like'em both, although Star Wars is slightly higher in my book.

leXX
04-15-2003, 04:03 PM
I'm a Trek fan too. Voyager is my favourite and Elite Force is one of my favourite FPS games ever. I love most sci-fi shows really, I'm just a huge sci-fi freak I suppose. :D

Rebel_Spy
04-17-2003, 06:36 PM
yeah, I like ST also, but SW is my favorite. I also like another sci-fi shows like Farscape and B5.

Pad
04-17-2003, 07:20 PM
lemme just say that star trek isnt my cup of tea ;)
i have nothing against it, i only dont watch it.

star wars all the way baby ;)

StormHammer
04-18-2003, 10:18 AM
I watched the re-runs of the original series of Star Trek in the early 70's, when I was a small boy, and they made quite an impression on me. But then again, so did Dr. Who...and U.F.O...

Of course, when Star Wars came along, it blew me away, ad basically re-wrote the way people approached SF on the big screen - and pretty much spoiled all the sad little special FX on the small screen.

ST:TNG was quite good, but I think it went downhill from there.

The major problem between Star Trek and Star Wars is that Star Trek was a series, and they had to keep trying to come up with interesting storylines. The simple fact is that you can't consistently come up with great plots all of the time, week in week out.

This is one of the reasons why I'd hate to see Star Wars turned into a long-term TV series, because then it would likely go the same way - pretty much how the EU novels went downhill after a while. It's a bit ridiculous having the same set of people saving the galaxy week in week out - well, downright preposterous actually.

A Star Wars TV series might work if they took the bold step of following one set of characters one season, and a completely different set another season... or even just limited it to a serial, like Band Of Brothers. In fact, that would make more sense in terms of giving a nod to the old Flash Gordon serials that seem to be part of the inspiration for Star Wars.

Anyway, my wife really likes Star Trek Voyager, and she watches Enterprise...so they must be doing something right for long-term fans of the series. I'm the Star Wars nut in my house. :D

Hannibal
04-18-2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by StormHammer
The simple fact is that you can't consistently come up with great plots all of the time, week in week out.



That's because (most) television writers suck!!!

StormHammer
04-18-2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Hannibal
That's because (most) television writers suck!!!

Maybe so, but even the best writers must be hard-pressed to come up with something fresh and innovative every week. I too find a lot of Star Trek episodes are basically rehashes of what's gone before. There are really only so many plots or stories you can use anyway, if you're limiting yourself to a particular framework.

When you look at a series like Farscape (RIP), they weren't afraid to totally ditch some concepts and go in a completely different direction from series to series. Sometimes that made it harder to keep track of what was going on...but it also made it more enjoyable because you didn't know what to expect.

Watching some of the ST episodes where some crew members die, I'm about to applaud them for taking that bold step...and then they cop out at the end with some stupid anomaly or something and everything's back to normal like hitting a reset switch.

I think ST really has run it's course, and they should have let it lie at the end of ST:V. The reason why the Original Series became so popular was because it was axed...and there was a big gap between the TV show and the movies, so people were ready for it again. Absence makes the heart grow fonder...but familiarity breeds contempt. AFAIK, the ratings are still going down...

Darklighter
04-18-2003, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by StormHammer
Watching some of the ST episodes where some crew members die, I'm about to applaud them for taking that bold step...and then they cop out at the end with some stupid anomaly or something and everything's back to normal like hitting a reset switch.

That's one big problem I had with Star Trek. They base a lot of the stories around time travel and temporal anomolies, which to be frank is too farfetched, even for ST standards (are they trying to create a realistic representation of the time each particular series is set, or not?). It could've worked, but time-travel seems to be more frequently used and easier to work out in Enterprise, which is set before all the other series, so they aren't be very loyal to the timeline. That being said, the whole time distortion aspect does make for good viewing; at least they are being imaginative.

I think ST really has run it's course, and they should have let it lie at the end of ST:V. The reason why the Original Series became so popular was because it was axed...and there was a big gap between the TV show and the movies, so people were ready for it again. Absence makes the heart grow fonder...but familiarity breeds contempt. AFAIK, the ratings are still going down...

For a while they resorted to showing episodes of Enterprise back-to-back on Sky One; not sure whether that was because ratings were going down, and they wanted to finish the series quicker or because something else was coming on, but I think it's safe to say that Enterprise hasn't been everyone's cup of tea. I agree with you that they rushed into another series way too quickly, and made quite a radical step setting it at the beginning. Still, I don't have many faults with the new series. I enjoy watching Enterprise, just like I enjoyed watching Voyager when it was being showed. In terms of Sci-fi, Star Wars will always be my fave, but Star Trek is a close second;)

KaBuTaR
04-20-2003, 04:06 PM
Star Wars has always been front and center for me... never liked any of the ST series except voyager... ST just seemed too utopian for my tastes - not much of an underworld which realistically would exist in major societies if you know what I mean...

lol there was almost an identical debate on the RS board like 3 years ago :P along with a huge tech battle hehe - i spent hours typing up responses - lol

dark jedi 8
05-03-2003, 10:03 PM
i always thought ST was way better than SW!!!!!!!:rolleyes: (YEAH RIGHT!):rolleyes:

though ST does have a good concept, SW is just uncomparable with words!:)

Lord Glorfindel
05-05-2003, 10:03 PM
SW: Lightsabers
ST: Bat'leths
sw: Death Star
ST: Borg Cube
SW: Weird Aliens
ST: Weird Aliens
SW: Blasters
ST: Phasers
SW: Bad script-writing and bad acting
ST: Bad script-writing and bad acting
SW: The Force
ST: umm....PICARD!
SW: Mob bosses, Yuuzhan Vong, and the Imperials
ST: Mob bosses, Klingons, Romulans, The Dominion, Cardassians, and The Borg


But, they still both rock!!!!

Sivy
05-12-2003, 12:10 AM
i don't like star trek
i don't know why, something about it bugs me.

but i have no problem with people that do like it.
everyone's intitled to their opinions and tastes.