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ZBomber
04-18-2003, 11:51 AM
With it being Good Friday today, I was wondering... Why didn't God kill those who Crucified Jesus? I mean, God killed all those who disobyed him when Moses was getting the 10 Commandemnts. Because Jesus was sent here to die? Well, doesn't the 1st commandment say you should only worship one God? Isn't Jesus God? Tell me what you think....

Jedi_Monk
04-18-2003, 12:33 PM
Jesus was all about peace and turning the other cheek. He asked His Father to forgive those who had persecuted and killed him. That's the long and short of it, I think.

Reborn Outcast
04-18-2003, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
With it being Good Friday today, I was wondering... Why didn't God kill those who Crucified Jesus? I mean, God killed all those who disobyed him when Moses was getting the 10 Commandemnts. Because Jesus was sent here to die? Well, doesn't the 1st commandment say you should only worship one God? Isn't Jesus God? Tell me what you think....

Because, while dying on the cross, Jesus said...

"Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34

God respected Jesus' wish.

ZBomber
04-18-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
Well, doesn't the 1st commandment say you should only worship one God? Isn't Jesus God? Tell me what you think....

What about the second part?

Breton
04-18-2003, 04:05 PM
Because the entire point was that Jesus should die. It was suicide, you might say, and not murder.

speck of dust
04-18-2003, 04:18 PM
The real question is: What would have happened had pontius pilate spared Jesus's life? What if his captors had a change of heart and decided to let Jesus live? What would that mean then (in the grand scheme of things)? How would History have played out?

Just a hypothetical pondering. What do the believers think the world would be like now?

Cosmos Jack
04-18-2003, 04:27 PM
If Jesus had been executed in the 20th century would you all be walking around with little electric chairs around your necks?:p

Reborn Outcast
04-18-2003, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
If Jesus had been executed in the 20th century would you all be walking around with little electric chairs around your necks?:p

DAT WAS TEH FUNNI!!!11 :indif: :indif:

I didn't find this funnay at all.

Cosmos Jack
04-18-2003, 08:17 PM
Not only funny to me, but I think a good point. I know few people in places like where I work. They think they are the son of god too. What's the difference between a crazy guy saying he is the son of god 2,000 years ago and a crazy guy in a mental hospital saying the same thing... Not much... There both disruptive to the peace. Only today they aren't executed... State tax money feeds them and cloths them...

ZBomber
04-18-2003, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
Not only funny to me, but I think a good point. I know few people in places like where I work. They think they are the son of god too. What's the difference between a crazy guy saying he is the son of god 2,000 years ago and a crazy guy in a mental hospital saying the same thing... Not much... There both disruptive to the peace. Only today they aren't executed... State tax money feeds them and cloths them...

Gee, I don't know, do tthose people perform miracles? Do they rise form the dead 3 days after they died? Geesh, of all the times to dis Christianity. :rolleyes: :mad:

Reborn Outcast
04-18-2003, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
Not only funny to me, but I think a good point. I know few people in places like where I work. They think they are the son of god too. What's the difference between a crazy guy saying he is the son of god 2,000 years ago and a crazy guy in a mental hospital saying the same thing... Not much... There both disruptive to the peace. Only today they aren't executed... State tax money feeds them and cloths them...

The fact that Jesus performed miracles, raised people from the dead and even raised himself isn't enough? :rolleyes:


And ZBomber, your PM box is full...

ZBomber
04-18-2003, 11:07 PM
Cleaned.....
BTW, Don't you love the name of the thread? :p

SkinWalker
04-19-2003, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
The fact that Jesus performed miracles, raised people from the dead and even raised himself isn't enough?

I'll bet those folks that Jack works with will tell you that they do. And I'll bet you that others there have seen them do it. Their eyewitness testimony has to be as substantial as a set of documents that is over 2 millenia in age.

Not intended to be disrespectful... only to point out the disparity. The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence that exists that proves Jesus performed a miracle anymore than there is evidence to prove that those executed in Salem were, in fact, witches and could perform spells.

Tyrion
04-19-2003, 03:27 AM
The thing is..how do you know Jesus performed miracles? Do you have any knowledge about that besides a big book?

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but..

Reborn Outcast
04-19-2003, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by SkinWalker
I'll bet those folks that Jack works with will tell you that they do. And I'll bet you that others there have seen them do it. Their eyewitness testimony has to be as substantial as a set of documents that is over 2 millenia in age.

Not intended to be disrespectful... only to point out the disparity. The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence that exists that proves Jesus performed a miracle anymore than there is evidence to prove that those executed in Salem were, in fact, witches and could perform spells.

Cosmos Jack didn't ever say in the story that the man did miracles... :p

And I believe that there is historical records of Jesus doing miracles.... I'll have to look it up though.

Cosmos Jack
04-19-2003, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by SkinWalker
I'll bet those folks that Jack works with will tell you that they do. And I'll bet you that others there have seen them do it. Their eyewitness testimony has to be as substantial as a set of documents that is over 2 millenia in age. I don't think I could have said it better myself, but this guy said it best...

"Religion is regarded by the COMMON people as true, by the WISE as false, and by RULERS as useful" Lucius Annaeus Seneca

That's exactly how I feel about religion. Not intended to be disrespectful, because I am most of the time. I'm not a Christian never have and never will be religious. Religion has it's purpose for people who need it to live there lives; however it is myth and only that. It can be baste on real people, but still doesn't have to be true just because its in a book written by a man. A man that said he was possessed by the holy ghost or however the book was written. I can right a book say I was possessed by the one true god this day and time and nobody would beleave me. 1000 years ago I would have a cult in no time.

I'm tired I'm going to sleep. Been trying to tell Jesus he can't walk threw walls all night long.

C'jais
04-19-2003, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
If Jesus had been executed in the 20th century would you all be walking around with little electric chairs around your necks?:p

There is a point there.

The cross is only the symbol of Christianity because it was used to execute Jesus with, and we should remember that.

The cross is no more holy to the rest of us than the wheel is a holy symbol to buddhists.

I get furious at people who correct someone who uses "God" in a sentence ("Thank God", for example) when they're not Christians, or when someones makes fun of the cross. Who says they're talking about their god? It's none of their damn, f*cking business, and if they want to make fun of an ancient execution instrument, it's their choice. To "correct them" is showing lack of respect.

ZBomber
04-19-2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by C'jais
I get furious at people who correct someone who uses "God" in a sentence ("Thank God", for example) when they're not Christians, or when someones makes fun of the cross. Who says they're talking about their god? It's none of their damn, f*cking business, and if they want to make fun of an ancient execution instrument, it's their choice. To "correct them" is showing lack of respect.

*Gives him a cookie*
Calm down, C'Jais. :D ;)
BTW, Why would someone make fun of an ancient execution instrument? I don't see anything funny about a piece of wood where people were killed? :confused:

C'jais
04-19-2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
*Gives him a cookie*
Calm down, C'Jais. :D ;)

Hehehe, don't worry - I only get furious in the "WTF is he talking about, I better not say anything to make him appear even more stupid"-way.

BTW, Why would someone make fun of an ancient execution instrument? I don't see anything funny about a piece of wood where people were killed? :confused:

Well, not "make fun of" per se, but if you turn it upside down, all of a sudden, some people go berserk...

Kain
04-22-2003, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by C'jais
Well, not "make fun of" per se, but if you turn it upside down, all of a sudden, some people go berserk...

right, like when I suspended from school for wearing one like that because it offended someone. When I told the dean that the normal cross offended me, did he do anything. No. And that my friends is called hypocracy. A cross can get you suspended if its the wrong way, but it stops punishment if its the right way.

ZBomber
04-22-2003, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by MydnightPsion
right, like when I suspended from school for wearing one like that because it offended someone. When I told the dean that the normal cross offended me, did he do anything. No. And that my friends is called hypocracy. A cross can get you suspended if its the wrong way, but it stops punishment if its the right way.

Thats just pathetic. :eyeraise:
Did you go to a Catholic School? If not, you shoud;n't have gotten in trouble...

ET Warrior
04-22-2003, 02:33 AM
I was just wondering the other day in church about something....When Jesus is having the last supper he tells his disciples that it would be better for the person who betrays him to have never been born. But why? Isn't the person who betrays him helping him to fulfill his destiny and what he came to Earth to do?

ZBomber
04-23-2003, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
I was just wondering the other day in church about something....When Jesus is having the last supper he tells his disciples that it would be better for the person who betrays him to have never been born. But why? Isn't the person who betrays him helping him to fulfill his destiny and what he came to Earth to do?

I never heard that version.... :p
Well, the person who betrays ends up commiting suicide. And he probably got sent to Hell. *shrugs*

Breton
04-23-2003, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
I never heard that version.... :p
Well, the person who betrays ends up commiting suicide. And he probably got sent to Hell. *shrugs*

Very unfair, that is. After all, he only did what he thought was best. Judas was no bad man.

ET Warrior
04-24-2003, 02:52 AM
I mean, Judas DID betray Christ to be crucified......but he was fulfilling Christ's destiny......wasn't he sort of helping out God?

ShadowTemplar
05-20-2003, 11:11 AM
Actually I've heard that there is a faction of Christianity that venerates Judas as the saint who helped Christ fulfill his prophecy. Say that the stuff about him committing suicide is a cover-up to daemonize him. Got no reliable sources, though, just hearsay that I picked up somewhere.

Joetheeskimo
06-17-2003, 08:29 AM
I wonder if Judas went to heaven in the end?

daring dueler
06-18-2003, 02:48 PM
think z, moses was old testiment and the crusifiction was new testiment. in old testiment god smited everyone, the people wanted to get a message across, moses had the power of god with him, its is an example of a theophany or god showing himself in a way, ie the burning bush, parting water, its said that the jews faith is what saved them, because their faith was extreme and OT was teaching the point that faith will save you, plus do you rememebr the crusifiction,jesus said forgive them,they know not what they do. plus it was gods plan for him to die for us.

Joetheeskimo
06-18-2003, 08:37 PM
Well God just sent me a vision predicting that some mod is about to come along and say, "don't double post darign dueler"...you'll see...it'll happen...it happens everytime...GRRRR :mad: :rolleyes:

Sry a lil off subject...Now a mod is about to say...your post was off topic joe" :D

Anyway, I agree with daring dueler: the Jews were actually God's chosen people and he wouldn't just kill them for fulfiling his will.

Breton
06-18-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by daring dueler
think z, moses was old testiment and the crusifiction was new testiment. in old testiment god smited everyone, the people wanted to get a message across, moses had the power of god with him, its is an example of a theophany or god showing himself in a way, ie the burning bush, parting water, its said that the jews faith is what saved them, because their faith was extreme and OT was teaching the point that faith will save you,

Not only did it "save" the jews, it also slaughtered thousands of innocent. Not only innocent egyptians, but also all the women and children wich Joshua and his mates brutally slaughtered because they were living in their "holy land".

plus do you rememebr the crusifiction,jesus said forgive them,they know not what they do. plus it was gods plan for him to die for us.

But if they didn't know what to do, or if they only fufilled God's plan...that wouldn't make them sinners, would it? But according to the Bible, Jesus died because they had sinned against him. But they can't have, so why the helheim did he die?

Religion gets more and more odd for each passing day.

Jubatus
06-18-2003, 10:17 PM
Daring dueler, now, would OT be Old Testament or Original Trilogy? :p

Sorry, just had to get that one in there.

To get serious and answer the question at hand, it could easily be answered with the Christians's favourite dismissal of any hint at God's fallibility: God works in mysterious ways.

But asking that question you give away that you sorta have a limited view on the whole God thing. Why should he be so hasty to kill them there and then? They'd die eventually and then he could deal with them for eternity, I mean real old testimonial wrath of God type o' stuff - Fire and brimstone falling from the sky, mass hysteria, terror, seas boiling, 40 years of darkness, cats and dogs living together!

daring dueler
06-21-2003, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Breton
Not only did it "save" the jews, it also slaughtered thousands of innocent. Not only innocent egyptians, but also all the women and children wich Joshua and his mates brutally slaughtered because they were living in their "holy land".

ummmm, no, GOD or it didnt slaughter innocent or any ejyptions,unless you meen passover, which has been blamed on a plague........and that joshua, not god.
rember much of OT (old testiment not origianl trilogy)
is based on teaching a lesson, and much of it isnt historically true but rather religous truth in that everything in the bible is true, to the point of the teachings, not necisarily historically, like adam and eve, not true, but a true lesson.