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l00k_2k
04-23-2003, 07:35 PM
okay im not going to lie and make up excuses, however i need to say this...FULL THROTTLE 2 LOOKS ABSOLUTLEY TERRIBLE.
They say that the adventure genre isnt dead when it quite obviously is if they become desperate enough to turn one of my personal favorite lucasart classics into a run-down shoddy mix of street fighter and virtua cop!!
I used to use the Mixnmojo boards reguarly back in the day but i cant remember my username or password so i have returned with this one, i have completed every lucasarts adventure which i am proud to say and this latest ADDITION to the shelves in my eyes looks set to be the end of a long run of success and QUALITY entertainment.

Pardon my poor punctuation etc but im a sloppy typer, everyone please state your views.

elTee
04-23-2003, 07:57 PM
Well, people said that about the lack of verbs in Sam & Max, the new tall guybrush in CMI, they said it about the 3D in Grim Fandango, and all those only represented a step forward in the genre. I'm gonna wait and see before passing judgement - I mean, EMI was a well made game, it was just a bad Monkey Island game. I mean, it woulda been just as bad in 2D or with a verb list. The 3D graphics were nothing to do with it.

MrManager
04-23-2003, 08:06 PM
The FT2 graphics might look horrible, but it's obviously too early to say anything about the gameplay. I think it has a lot of potential.

Joshi
04-23-2003, 08:07 PM
A cross between Street Fighter and Virtua Cop, funny, because I don't think anyone else sees that, what I think we all see is a game with a good story and good graphics. I expect a game with Grim Fandango quality in game play, story and graphics (grim was blocky, but that just added to the whole Mexican land of the dead thing).

And I think unlike with a movie, the sequel to a game can only heighten the admiration and quality of the first game by turning it into a couple, trilogy or dare I say it, saga.

Go on FT2

Further more please try and use the appropriate forums for this, I understand that you expect more people to see this here, but there is a Full Throttle Forum for this.

C Shutt
04-23-2003, 08:13 PM
http://www.lucasarts.com/products/hellonwheels/

Let the mocking commence.

l00k_2k
04-23-2003, 08:32 PM
good to see some replies and i must say they are all very good points, but i think what we are gonna find here is more action and not enough adventure......30 or so levels to win...wow!

the last spot on adventure ive seen from lucasarts is Grimfango, and whoever said...

I mean, EMI was a well made game, it was just a bad Monkey Island game

good point, good game just not enough monkey in it!

elTee
04-23-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Neil Joshi
Further more please try and use the appropriate forums for this, I understand that you expect more people to see this here, but there is a Full Throttle Forum for this.

Yeah, but this is the mixnmojo forum for all things LucasArts - please don't tell people where to post. If people do post in the wrong place, someone will sort it out.

The Adventurer
04-24-2003, 12:30 AM
I for one LOVE the graphics of the FT2 shots. they are cartoony and clean. I don't understand the bitching. What do you want? Photo realistic Ben? Ben with Blocky Jaggys like in FT1? I have high hopes for this game. Puzzle solving melded with action. And I'm sure by Levels they don't mean Level 3 Stage 2: The Oil Refinery, they mean chapters. Like in Half Life the game flowed smothly but was broken into chapters has the story progressed. The back shot to Ben riding his bike almost looks Cell Shaded, which is cool as hell for keeping the cartoon feel. And in some of those shots the game looks prerendered, we don't even know if the game is full 3d yet. And the fighting? sounds like their using a combat system like indy and the Emperor's Tomb which will kick f-ing ass.

So buck up kids. It seems we're going to have a fun game on our hands.

ThunderPeel2001
04-24-2003, 12:42 AM
Have they changed the look of Ben since the first previews? He still looks short and squat, but he looks better than I remember. Whereas the 'action' elements of FT1 relied more on brains than actual skill, this one looks a lot more like a 3D version of Double Dragon! :) But for all we know, that could only one section in the whole game!

The pre-rendered models look pretty cool actually (doesn't the third one look just like Conroy Bumpus's bodyguard?) but the ingame stuff looks low-res and jaggy... thank God for anti-aliasing!

~ John

C Shutt
04-24-2003, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by The Adventurer
I for one LOVE the graphics of the FT2 shots. they are cartoony and clean. I don't understand the bitching. What do you want? Photo realistic Ben? Ben with Blocky Jaggys like in FT1?

Ben that doesn't look like a user-made mod for Duke Nukem 3D?

GregD
04-24-2003, 10:31 AM
What the hell is everyones problem about the graphics..

At least they are:

1. Cartoony.
2. Similar in style to the original.
3. Decent to say the least, and bare in mind these are early renders and screenshots.

If you want old skool 2d graphics sorry but this isnt going to happen anymore with LEC games get over it.

You graphic complaining people should be more worried about the gameplay as graphics do not a good game make.

C Shutt
04-24-2003, 10:45 AM
Considering that none of the critics in this thread have so much as mentioned the switch from 2D to 3D, telling us to "get over it" seems a little disingenuous. It's not the style of the graphics that are being criticized, it's the quality.

Gabez
04-24-2003, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by The Adventurer
I for one LOVE the graphics of the FT2 shots. they are cartoony and clean. I don't understand the bitching. What do you want? Photo realistic Ben? Ben with Blocky Jaggys like in FT1? Clean and cartoony graphics are all well and good, but they donít make up for the lack of at atmosphere portrayed in those screenshots. They had some really good Noir thing going on in FT1, which sadly seems to be lacking here. Notice how the stars repeat themselves three times on the first image? Or how the bottles in the third one are magically illuminated despite being right at the back? Or how the man looks like heís just escape from the Stone Age in number four!? It just seems so wrong.

JBRAA
04-24-2003, 01:45 PM
These new pics are development pics. The stuff like repeated backgrounds like in the bar cant be in finished game. LEC knows that and they're releasing these to just have something to show us. It just too bad what they have to show sucks. If I feel these pics sucks I should say so. LEC is prepared for mad reactions. It's not like they dont know it sucks.

Also, it's fun to make fun of LEC. *poke in the belly*
http://mojoart.mixnmojo.com/temp/ft2_version2_vs_ft1.jpg


bah

BooJaka
04-24-2003, 02:04 PM
When you put the two together it's just scary.

Joshi
04-24-2003, 02:37 PM
I thinks everyone biggest mistake here are you're all referring to an imaginary company called LEC, who the hell are they?

If you're referring to LucasArts, I think that the screenshots we're seeing are the un-shaded versions. Have you ever seen a computer generated film without shading; it looks remarkably like the screenshots we're seeing here. They won't shade the game until it's almost finished as they can't develop the game with fully rendered characters and objects, it would take up too much Ram and would take ages to render a shot. I know the animation process is incredibly different from a game to a CG film, but they still don't work with fully generated imagery until the end and what we are seeing here is a screenshot with no shading. With shading it'll look a lot better.

Also
Originally found on the web site
Features
Play as Ben - a tough biker with a sarcastic wit and the fists to back it up.
Throw punches, kick down doors and use objects like chairs and bottles as you fight in a rich interactive world.
Ride Ben's modified Corley motorcycle and engage in fierce combat at high speeds.
Solve unique puzzles and help Ben work his way through a series of adventures to uncover a mysterious plot to destroy the town.
Interact with over 50 characters in an engaging story with humorous dialogue and plenty of action.

So in other words, this look like it's going to be an okay game.

Finally,
Originally posted by GregD
You graphic complaining people should be more worried about the game play as graphics do not a good game make.

Get a touch of Yoda at the end there? ;)

elTee
04-24-2003, 09:24 PM
Yeah, this is true - these are early shots. I remember early shots of Starfox Adventures... ay caramba! But then the final game was released with amazing graphics and great gameplay.
*sigh of relief*

ThunderPeel2001
04-25-2003, 02:15 AM
they can't develop the game with fully rendered characters and objects, it would take up too much Ram and would take ages to render a shot.

That's complete nonsense! Non of the screenshots are for pre-rendered animations (which is what you refer to) but from actual in-game graphics! They might be unfinished but that's a different thing.

I'm sure they're fully aware of how 1998 the graphics look, though (at least I hope they are!) and hasn't Ben changed since we first saw him? That's a good thing! Maybe they are listening!

~ John

Joshi
04-25-2003, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by ThunderPeel2001
That's complete nonsense! Non of the screenshots are for pre-rendered animations (which is what you refer to) but from actual in-game graphics! They might be unfinished but that's a different thing.

Yeah, I realised that about halfway through which is why I said it's different from CG movies. It is true that some of what I said is nonsense because if they weren't able to do much with fully rendered images, we wouldn't be able to play the game. But yes, it is unfinished, as like I said before, there is no light and shading elements, it's just the backgrounds, objects and models which is why it doesn't look as good as it will in the final game. Which was really what I was trying to say, but got mixed up halfway through.

scabb
04-25-2003, 04:16 PM
When are we gonna see a shot of Ben with his eyes open?

l00k_2k
04-25-2003, 05:17 PM
my biggest issue is in no relation to the graphics, its primarily aimed at the fact that it has switched from an adventure game to some sort of s**t beat-em-up/road rage game. If i wanted a game like that i would go out nd buy simpsons racer for the X-box. I will not sit and watch one of lucasarts all time greats go down the toilet like an unwanted lump of crap.

elTee
04-25-2003, 06:00 PM
Ok, I agree that to make it into a mindless beat-em-up would be a bad idea as far as we're concerned - but I wouldn't blame LucasArts for doing it. They only exist to make money, and beat-em-ups make a lot of money, the mass majority of gamers like them. That said, this is LucasArts, so we should at least expect a great storyline. And there's no proof that this isn't mostly an adventure game, we're just basing our worries off the screenshots.

Joshi
04-25-2003, 07:11 PM
Like I said before

originally found on the official FT2 website
Features
Play as Ben - a tough biker with a sarcastic wit and the fists to back it up.
Throw punches, kick down doors and use objects like chairs and bottles as you fight in a rich interactive world.
Ride Ben's modified Corley motorcycle and engage in fierce combat at high speeds.
Solve unique puzzles and help Ben work his way through a series of adventures to uncover a mysterious plot to destroy the town.
Interact with over 50 characters in an engaging story with humorous dialogue and plenty of action.

I'm not saying this is hard proof, but we can at least use it as a guide to what we think the games going to be like. In my opinon, I think it's going to be a game like Grim Fandango (in gameplay, puzzels and dialogue and so one) but have elements of beat-em-up/road rage in it (like the bike sequences in Full Throttle).

Of course, that's just my opinion, I'm not saying it's right, but it could be close.

GregD
04-28-2003, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by Neil Joshi
I thinks everyone biggest mistake here are you're all referring to an imaginary company called LEC, who the hell are they?

If you're referring to LucasArts, I think that the screenshots we're seeing are the un-shaded versions.

Get a touch of Yoda at the end there?


Yes a touch of Yoda was in me at the time.... I don't care if they have changed their name its still LEC and I refuse to abbreviate it any other way so HA!

Originally posted by Carl Shutt
Considering that none of the critics in this thread have so much as mentioned the switch from 2D to 3D, telling us to "get over it" seems a little disingenuous. It's not the style of the graphics that are being criticized, it's the quality.


I know people who will at some stage have said they don't like the 3d approach, whether they be in this thread or not doesn't make any difference, the argument is still relevant so HA! (again).

Joshi
04-28-2003, 04:24 PM
I myself would be one of those people you're talking about, or at least I used to be, but I found that we really aren't going to escape the change to 3D, so we might as well just roll with the tides. :rolleyes:

ThunderPeel2001
04-28-2003, 10:09 PM
I've been thinking about it: I've got a feeling that FT2 is probably going to be good, but VERY different from the first game. I wonder who will like it?

~ John

Oystein
04-29-2003, 03:52 PM
Well, it's better to see an original title from LA rather than these mysterious SW games... :D

Skinkie
04-30-2003, 01:17 AM
I'm excited for it, I'm not crazy about 3-D graphics, but as long as the story is great, it doesn't matter what it looks like, I'll get over it.

Oystein
04-30-2003, 10:02 AM
Yep, story is the most important part of a game. The graphic fetish people is the reason why gems like Mafia gets overlooked.

elTee
04-30-2003, 09:03 PM
Was mafia overlooked? I agree that graphics aren't the most important priorities in a game, but they do build up an expectation and hype. For months before you can actually play a game, all you have to whet your appetite is screenshots. The graphics sell the game, and the plot / gameplay make the game good or bad. For example, I just got Zelda: The Wind Waker on my Gamecube (interestingly early, I pre-ordered it and it arrived yesterday, despite the May 3rd release date) and the graphics are stunning. I know Zelda has its own reputation, so the game was gonna sell loads anyway, but I'll say this: as it is at the moment, TWW is one of my favourite games of all time, and a lot of that is down to the graphics. It looks like a Disney movie, and the effects and range of the scenery is immense. Basically, you can walk from the top of a mountain on one island all the way to the shore, get in your boat and sail across an entire ocean to another island (encountering many other things on the way, such as submarines and attolls) and then get out of the boat there and walk around. All this happens without any pause while the new area loads or anything, its totally fluent. If the game looked terrible, it wouldn't be anywhere near as much fun to do that journey, or many other parts of the game.

l00k_2k
04-30-2003, 09:22 PM
To be honest i think the most important aspect of lucasart adventures to dat, that have generated so many fans is the atmosphere that is generated by the characters and their locations. Its like the monkey island series were amazing, my favorite being:

1: mi2
2:cmi
3:smi
4:emi

i dont hold a grude against the fourth installment apart from a few story related problems, but i find that they seemed to be able to portray so much more with the 2d backdrops. Its like lookin at a painting and taking in all the detail. If they want to win my vote with this new release of full throttle then they are gonna have to scrap this idea of going through levels nd add some detail to it ( wont happen ).

ahh well theres my weekly moan, hope you guys reply

ThunderPeel2001
04-30-2003, 11:58 PM
Yep, story is the most important part of a game. The graphic fetish people is the reason why gems like Mafia gets overlooked.

Um, I don't think so! Super Mario World didn't have much of a story but I still think its one of the best games ever made. Same goes for the Street Fighter series or Doom or Quake or Galaga or Asteroids or even Jedi Outcast (not much of a story really, I played it because it was fun!) or a million other games.

The most important aspect of any game is gameplay.

The question here is whether FT2 is going to appeal to those who like gameplay based around puzzles or those who like gameplay based around fast action.

The graphics are a whole other issue.

I think the main reason people don't like 3D is just like the man said: 2D artwork is often much more detailed and impressive. Obviously things are getting better but even games like Max Payne leave a lot to be desired when it comes to details... try to read a poster on the wall and it's 'blur-o-vision'. Also, for example, it's very hard to create an outside 3D enviroment that looks half as good as a 2D painting.

I think that's what people are complaining about here. Full Throttle (at least at the moment) almost looks like an N64 game! When you consider that FT1 came out in 1997 and looks BETTER and that there are plenty of 2D games out there that look a helluva lot better, it's frustrating that companies have gone '3D mad'.

I can't wait for the technology to catch up with the artwork, but until then I hope the detail level is at least half as good as a 2D game. I mean just look at Jedi Outcast. The graphics actually added alot to the atmosphere and the gameplay was great too.

Obviously graphics aren't as important as gameplay, but with FT2 if LA wants me to PAY $50 for their game then it better at least look as good as the original!

~ John

PS - Here's a screen shot from Mafia... I don't know what you're talking about it looks a million times better than FT2!!!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004U8K2.01.PT03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg http://www.lucasarts.com/products/hellonwheels/images/screens/4.jpg

Oystein
05-01-2003, 09:57 AM
I didn't say Mafia had bad graphics, although it may have sounded like that. What I meant was that the industry today is totally obsessed with graphic. It seems to me that certain games just sell because of their looks, when they in reality are crap on the inside. I think that's sad because games like Mafia, which look beautiful and actually have a great story and gameplay, gets the same routine as every other game when it's reviewed. It's like: "And the graphics, they're like wow! There's also a story there, but back to the graphics. Did I mention they were astounding!" Reviewers are petty. When many gaming magazines and gaming sites summarized the year 2002, very few of them actually mentioned Mafia. What the hell is that about?! The best games of 2002 were sequels to crappy console games who only had good graphics to boast with! It's sad and pathetic. I know I'm getting sidetracked now, so I'll end my post with a FT2 comment. When it's released, I will be looking at the story and gameplay. If they've managed a good combination of both, then I'm happy.

Joshi
05-01-2003, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by ThunderPeel2001
Um, I don't think so! Super Mario World didn't have much of a story but I still think its one of the best games ever made. Same goes for the Street Fighter series or Doom or Quake or Galaga or Asteroids or even Jedi Outcast (not much of a story really, I played it because it was fun!) or a million other games.

The most important aspect of any game is gameplay.


i think what oystein was trying to say that the most important part of an adventure game is the story. remember, we don't want ft2 to be a game where we just going around solving mindless puzzels and beating the snot out of everyone we come across. Full Throttle was a game with a brilliant storyline and we're hoping to see the same kind of thing with it
s sequel.

also, i hear what you say about the graphics an how they look bad at the moment, but remember what i said before, they havn't added the shading yet, what we see in the screenshots is not what we're going to see on screen. the final stages of putting the game together will be adding god lighting, shaders, coulours (layers of colours i mean) and textures, you can't expect them to have done that all by now.

Oystein
05-01-2003, 02:36 PM
You're partly right, Neil. Story is the most important part of an adventure game, but for me it's also an important part of any game I play.

l00k_2k
05-03-2003, 07:47 PM
i know its a bit off-subject but whats this mafia game, it looks bang on like :D :D :D

Oystein
05-04-2003, 12:49 PM
Mafia was, in my opinion, one of the best games last year. It's a 3rd person action game where you start as an errand boy for the mob and then work your way up the ladder. The story is very good and the graphics are awesome. It also has a fun gameplay with lots of action and driving. You can read more about it on the official site (http://www.mafia-game.com)

TheMonkeyGuy
05-05-2003, 07:06 PM
FT2 will be a good game. And I think that the game will have a low requerimets for all people can play it. Sean Clark will put action, yes, but he will put many puzzles too and dialogues, etc... I will buy the game, i'm impacient.:)

Joshi
05-05-2003, 07:39 PM
Don't be too sure that it'll work on most computers, if people could design good quality games to work generically, they would be doing so. I'm guessing that they want to create a good game and so will take full advantage of the newer systems out there in order to produce a game of this calabre. This doesn't of course mean that in order to play this game we'll need to all go out and buy another computer, or even upgrade, but most computers older than two or three years may not be able to play them without the right hardware and software. Then again, I may be wrong.

**edit**
the new screenshots look a lot better with lighting and shading now. see, it won't be that bad.

James Isaac
05-07-2003, 04:10 PM
Yeah, the new screenshots look much better:

http://www.lucasarts.com/products/hellonwheels/images/screens/8.jpg

HenryJonesJr.
05-09-2003, 10:49 PM
I was flamed cuz said i didnt trust the new 3D FT, so far my opinion isnt changed. I hope they make it better though, its one of my all time favorites

ThunderPeel2001
05-10-2003, 04:44 AM
Ooh! That screenshot DOES look a lot nicer!! I think they've cheated a little by smoothing the jaggies, but it still looks a lot better! (I'll be playing it with FSAA anyway! ;))

~ John

Alien426
05-11-2003, 07:48 AM
I checked for the name of the band that was depicted on the screenshot. Only found the Hound Dogs (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000241W6) at Amazon.de.

Is there any info on whether they will use another band's music like they did with The Gone Jackals in FT1?

James Isaac
05-11-2003, 08:26 AM
Look at this (http://www.mixnmojo.com/php/news/showfile.php?category=advnews&id=993). It tells you that the Gone Jackals won't be in FT2, and other stuff.