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C'jais
04-26-2003, 03:38 PM
Congrats, you're now the president of the USA.

What 5 five things will you do to make the world a better place?

Dagobahn Eagle
04-26-2003, 04:18 PM
Congrats, you're now the president of the USA.

What 5 five things will you do to make the world a better place? (emphasis added)
A great way to put things, 'Jais :) (j/k).

0. Thank the party.. uh, people:evil3:.

1. Revoke 2nd Amendment and increase police funding.

2. Increase right of privacy, revoking media's rights to write about you if you don't want them to and it's off-topic (as in interviewing you when your little girl has been kidnapped).

3. Free school and health care.

4. Ban nazism, anti-semitic views, racist statements, and physical punishment.

Edit:
5. Install a Norway-type Constitutional Monarchy with people-elected parties and party-elected presidents.

I can't come up with anything else right now, but I might edit the post later.

Toonces
04-26-2003, 05:06 PM
1)Deploy the National Guard to the borders to stop ILLEGAL immigration.
2)Banish the Income Tax, and establish a flat tax on all goods and services.
3)Banish the Death Penalty, and institute a system of hard labor for violent offenders.
4)Institute a national lottery, and put the additional revenue to good use with various economic and social programs
5)Institute a new World Debating organization, made up of ONLY democratically elected governments.

El Sitherino
04-26-2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by C'jais
Congrats, you're now the president of the USA.

What 5 five things will you do to make the world a better place?
1. take away the electoral college.
2.eliminate boundaries in political parties.
3.crack down on military staff raping foriegn civilians.
4.make a treaty with all militaristic countries and destroy US nukes along side with the other countries
5. make animal cruelty punishment stricter/ make child pornography punishment stricter.

obi
04-26-2003, 11:23 PM
1. Encourage Christianity. Not force it, just encourage it.
2. Give billions of smackers to Health care prgrams and education. NOT all to the army to fight Syria or something.
3. Encourage open minds in speeches.
4. Give more money to law enforcement
5. Get kicked out of office.

munik
04-27-2003, 01:46 AM
Assuming no one in congress would oppose me:

1. Start the American Empire. No more invasions and replacements of foreign governments, we move in and slap a 51st State sticker right on the map. I figure if we're gonna take the time and resources to invade, we ought to keep it. I know exactly who should be 51, 52, 53, and 54. Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Our three territories and commonwealth have been living the good life for too long, it's time to make some States!

2. This goes with number one. If we have all these States all over the world, I figure we need some good naval control of trade routes and such. So, increase naval funding and impose maritime law on all pirates. I'm talking about killing every last one and scuttling every pirate ship. That should benefit the world in a big way, even though the world is soon to be part of the Empire.

3. To save everyone money, we institute a penal colony. I suggest we use England, since they thought it was such a good idea before. We would first have to make England a State, it would just be the penal State. That my friends is the definition of irony. Just have small naval patrols to kill any they find escaping. To be fair, if you do manage to escape, you win your freedom back.

4.(Soon to be added)
5.(Soon to be added)

Cosmos Jack
04-27-2003, 10:35 AM
"munik" are you trying to take my place as most hated poster here....:p ?

1. Dissolve the Government as it is. Impose 3 houses. There would still be the same Senate and House of Representatives. They would be 2 of the same side. As well as a Judicial Branch, or now called the House of Justice. Added would be a House of the Military. The Military takes all the risks they should have a say.

2. Restructure the military.

3. People would no longer have the right to vote unless they did Government or Military service. Citizens or Civilians. Starship troopers bad movie good idea.

4. Death penalty for rapist, murders, and thieves. Driving under the influence and running from the law would be considered attempted murder and punishable by death. Not in years, but in weeks.

5. Establish the Public Execution park. A place where citizens to voluntarily hunt down and execute criminals by there own hand you get a Tape and a T-Shirt :D That says "I shot Mansion" or "I Chopped Up Bundy" something along those lines...

Munik you want to be my Vice Press? Cosmos Jack and Munik 2004 :rolleyes:

ShockV1.89
04-27-2003, 11:48 AM
Hmmmm...

1. Make the government completely secular. I mean, no religion at all. Allow for it in the citizens, but make no decisions based upon it.

2. Abolish the electoral college.

3. Create a prison system in which inmates are tortured according to what their crime was. Ex. A petty thief might get 40 lashes in the city square, then a month of hard labor. A murder/rapist would get the same 40 lashes, then salt poured in the wound, and then any number of horrible torutres performed on them, ending in a slow death. Make it all public where it's easily seen.

4. Hold politicians accountable to what they say. By this I mean, if they say they will do something when they get elected, and they do get elected and dont do it, they should get the boot. You lied, we elected you under these conditions. You didnt live up to your end of the bargain, so we take back ours. Buh bye.

5. Dedicate more funding to stem cell research and the genome project, as well as the space program. You know, all those programs that deserve the money that's going to the welfare crackhouses.



I have a sixth...

6. Set a 4 month limit on welfare. After that, you are on your own. If you have kids to feed and still are too lazy to get a job in that four month period, we'll take the kids. They'll be better where we put them (good foster home, well researched and checked out). After you get kicked off welfare, you will be given foodstamps. Nothing more.

C'jais
04-27-2003, 12:01 PM
1) End corporate welfare. Including tax loopholes and government funding.

2) The Department of Defense shouldn't be allowed to jokingly be referred to as "The Department of Invasion". Cut the military in half, using the money on improving NASA and researching alternate power sources. End all US military presence in the world. Only leave bases in the US itself. Perhaps make a regime in Zimbabwe just to prove Iraq wasn't a joke, and then keep the f*ck out of things USA has no say in.

3) Research alternate power sources. Drops dependancy on oil and makes for cleaner power.

4) Increased funding for the space program. NASA needs a vastly increased budget. Space is where our future is. Not this soon-to-be-dead rock.

5) Remove farmer subsidies. The third world can't sell their goods because of them. What, does the American public care if the corn they're chewing comes from India or their homeland? I can't believe they do.

And because I'm completely unable to control myself, and because there's so much to improve, here are some changes to the country itself:

6) Go into New deal-mode and make huge, broad-sweeping public works. Increase taxes by 75 to 100%.

7) Remove a lot of the censorship on TV. Nudity, swearing and sex is ok. USA needs to grow up.

8) Enforce environmental laws. We're talking heavy fines to corporations if they break the law on this area.

9) Fix the election system. If 30% of California is for democrats and 70% is for republican electors, 3 electors from the democrats and 7 from the republicans go to the electoral college. Problem solved.

10) Health care. Free health care. The government pays for your doctor and hospital visits, and if you don't like the service, cough up the cash for a private clinic.

11) Repeal the right to having a concealed weapon. Only undercover policemen should be able to have it. In fact, make it illegal to go out and own a gun right away. Licenses are required, and if you're caught without one, you can be looking forward to a pleasant time in jail.

12) Simplify laws. Laws must be re-approved every 4 years, so that silly laws like the ones that can get you arrested for practicing sodomy or suing McDonalds for making you fat gets trashed.

13) Civil unions. Anyone can marry whoever they want as long as they're 18 years or older. This include homosexuals and multiple partners, if they so desire.

C'jais
04-27-2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by ShockV1.89
3. Create a prison system in which inmates are tortured according to what their crime was. Ex. A petty thief might get 40 lashes in the city square, then a month of hard labor. A murder/rapist would get the same 40 lashes, then salt poured in the wound, and then any number of horrible torutres performed on them, ending in a slow death. Make it all public where it's easily seen.

So you want a return to the dark ages and beyond? I thought we were past that.

I can't see this helping anything. If anything, it'll only show USA as a brutal state on par with Taleban-Afghanistan. I don't think the threat of bigger punishment goes through the head of most criminals when in the moment of breaking the law, in MHO.

4. Hold politicians accountable to what they say. By this I mean, if they say they will do something when they get elected, and they do get elected and dont do it, they should get the boot. You lied, we elected you under these conditions. You didnt live up to your end of the bargain, so we take back ours. Buh bye.

While well-intentioned, I think this will be counterproductive. Most presidents would be voted out within months. The fact is, it's hard to know for sure how the conditions are, and what new challenges you'll face when in the Oval Office. If you're so angry at politicians lying, I think you have to look at it this way: It's just the same bullsh*t they're all feeding the public. It's always been this way - the public wants what it cannot get, but if some person suddenly convinces it that he can deliver it, he's in. Realize this, and start to nitpick the plausible from the improbable.

C'jais
04-27-2003, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
3. People would no longer have the right to vote unless they did Government or Military service. Citizens or Civilians. Starship troopers bad movie good idea.

What makes you think people that served in the military are somehow more qualified for voting, than people who didn't? It's just not logical.

4. Death penalty for rapist, murders, and thieves. Driving under the influence and running from the law would be considered attempted murder and punishable by death. Not in years, but in weeks.

5. Establish the Public Execution park. A place where citizens to voluntarily hunt down and execute criminals by there own hand you get a Tape and a T-Shirt :D That says "I shot Mansion" or "I Chopped Up Bundy" something along those lines...

Disgusting. You think this will decrease crime? Or do just want another kind of public entertainment?

It's kinda hard respecting the sanctity of life, which the government tries so hard to promote, when it's at the same time chopping heads off even the pettiest thieves.

Dagobahn Eagle
04-27-2003, 01:31 PM
10) Health care. Free health care. The government pays for your doctor and hospital visits, and if you don't like the service, cough up the cash for a private clinic.

6. Set a 4 month limit on welfare. After that, you are on your own. If you have kids to feed and still are too lazy to get a job in that four month period, we'll take the kids. They'll be better where we put them (good foster home, well researched and checked out). After you get kicked off welfare, you will be given foodstamps. Nothing more.
Um.. four months sounds a bit short to get a job, IMO. And let's get rid of this stupid far-right stereotype that all poor people are lazy. There are a million reasons why you can go in the hole, and in the States, there are even more. The ones I can think of:

Fired.
Company going broke.
Injury. Either one that leaves you unable to work or one that you can't pay for and thus throws you in the hole.
Bank going broke.


7) Remove a lot of the censorship on TV. Nudity, swearing and sex is ok. USA needs to grow up.
So is topless tanning on beaches:D.

Cosmos Jack
04-27-2003, 10:41 PM
"C'jais" Ahhh didn't know this was a discusion just thought I was supost to list my ideas.


Originally posted by C'jais
What makes you think people that served in the military are somehow more qualified for voting, than people who didn't? It's just not logical. What makes people that have never done anything for there country more qualified? People who volunteer to take the risks should have the say. Not the ones that sit back and watch and complain. Most military people know what I'm talking about. Alot of countries have forced military service for men. What's the differance? Here your not forced you don't have to, but you wonte get to vote if you don't and it's not just military service, but government service. For peet sake you could be a postman or a streat cleaner for 2 years and earn the right to vote. Earn money for college and medical. It wouldn't be a bad idea.

Originally posted by C'jais
Disgusting. You think this will decrease crime? Or do just want another kind of public entertainment? Well Singapore has public caning you know for just about every miss diameter. From littering to spiting to chewing gum. It's a very clean country.
It would also make a good form of public entertainment and a way for the Gov. to make money off criminals rather than spend it they don't disserve that.
Originally posted by C'jais
It's kinda hard respecting the sanctity of life, which the government tries so hard to promote, when it's at the same time chopping heads off even the pettiest thieves. I never said I supported the sanctity of life. IF I ever had have a wife or daughter and someone rapes or kills them I'm not going to let them live. They don't deserve that right.

Reborn Outcast
04-27-2003, 11:12 PM
Ok, I'm turning this into a discussion thread right now.


Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
What makes people that have never done anything for there country more qualified? People who volunteer to take the risks should have the say. Not the ones that sit back and watch and complain. Most military people know what I'm talking about. Alot of countries have forced military service for men. What's the differance? Here your not forced you don't have to, but you wonte get to vote if you don't and it's not just military service, but government service. For peet sake you could be a postman or a streat cleaner for 2 years and earn the right to vote. Earn money for college and medical. It wouldn't be a bad idea.

Tell me, what would that turn this country into? Do you know how many people would not be able to vote. Whether you like it or not, everyone should have the right to vote.

In fact, with these ideas of yours, you wouldn't even be voted into office by the military people. Wanna know why? Do you think that anyone who has seen blood, death and has been shot at would want to have public executions? Thats what people like Hitler and Saddam did for cryin out loud.


Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
Well Singapore has public caning you know for just about every miss diameter. From littering to spiting to chewing gum. It's a very clean country.

That would make us barbarians. Our public entertainment would be reduced to nothing more that seeing little kids getting caned because they spit gum without knowing.


Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
It would also make a good form of public entertainment and a way for the Gov. to make money off criminals rather than spend it they don't disserve that.

EVERYONE deserves a fair trial that the government spends money on. If you accidentally hit someone in your car and they died wouldn't you want your government to spend some money on you so you could at least have a fair trial? Would you want to be publically mocked and caned? Would you want to be hunted by civilians for amusement?


Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
I never said I supported the sanctity of life. IF I ever had have a wife or daughter and someone rapes or kills them I'm not going to let them live. They don't deserve that right.

What if that person had a mental disease where they do not know what they are doing? Is that their fault?

And think about it. If someone who kills someone else automatically deserves death by the government but you kill them first... you're going to die. You killed them, which (in your world) would be automatic death.

munik
04-27-2003, 11:20 PM
Whoohoo! I was hoping we'd get to rag on each others ideas! I just didn't want to be the first one.
Originally posted by C'jais
5) Remove farmer subsidies. The third world can't sell their goods because of them. What, does the American public care if the corn they're chewing comes from India or their homeland? I can't believe they do.Not sure exactly what a subsidary is, but we would care on the basis of self sufficiency. You know, the whole "Buy USA" slogan and stuff.

Originally posted by C'jais
6) Go into New deal-mode and make huge, broad-sweeping public works. Increase taxes by 75 to 100%.We are taxed on quite a few things. I challenge you to make a list of things that are taxed, and things that are not, and see which one is longer. Also, I seem to recall a little problem with taxes that was a factor in the creation of this country. I think that if they were to be raised to astronomical levels that others might start remembering too.

And I just love the way you type "practicing sodomy", it makes me all tingly.



Cosmos Jack, I don't know if I could run with you. I'm trying to create an Empire here, and it's people like you whose heads I need to step on to do it. Maybe we could do a best 3 out of 5 indian leg wrestling contest to see who gets to be the Emperor.

Reborn Outcast
04-27-2003, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by MydnightPsion
okay, back on topic

1: Ban major religion. Tear down all churches, sinagaughs, mosques, ect. You want to worship, do it at home. The job PASTOR would be obliterated. This way, EVERYONE pays taxes.

:rolleyes: Thats like me saying that I'm gonna ban all heathen talk about no God... And umm... pastors pay taxes...

Kain
04-27-2003, 11:37 PM
okay, back on topic

1: Ban major religion. Tear down all churches, sinagaughs, mosques, ect. You want to worship, do it at home. The job PASTOR would be obliterated. This way, EVERYONE pays taxes.

2. Increase laws on nature reserves and wildlife reserves. Poachers and lumberjacks caught there would be tied to a tree and have honey smeared on them. And if they escaped, their 'guardian' will shoot them from within the trees.

3. Destroy all nuclear weapon facilities and launchers. the last thing we need is Fallout coming into reality.

4. Alternate power means. We don't need to kill everything when we drive.

5. Deregulation. The breaking down of major companies for more competition among them. If a company fails to comply, they get shut down.

I figure most everyone else went past 5, my turn

6. Do away with electoral vote. Its dumb.*most of us agree*

7. Ban smoking cigars and cigarettes. If pot is gonna be illegal, so are these.

8. No concealed weapons. Plain and simple.

9. Public places will be just that, public. None of this being banned crap *that ones for you Bubbles!!*

10. Soliciting door-to-door will be illegal. Its just annoying and rude

EDIT: Hit the wrong button earlier, my bad

Cosmos Jack
04-27-2003, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
What if that person had a mental disease where they do not know what they are doing? Is that their fault?
You can pick on everything else I don't care, but this I have experience with.

To tell you the truth it doesn't matter these people know a lot more about what's going on than they lead people to believe. I know far to many PT's that have killed there parents and siblings and are in a mental hospital now for the sheer facts they don't want to stand trial. Yes a few may have a problem, but they sure as hell know what's going on around them. They know where they are, when it's time to smoke, and eat. Don't ever say that is an excuse these people are just as guilty as any sane person. They knew to do it they knew not to do it. They made a choice.

Sorry back on topic.....

munik
04-28-2003, 12:47 AM
Does anyone notice that Reborn quoted Mydnight 2 minutes before Mydnight posted? And concerning that, I thought that churches and such were tax exempt. Wouldn't that mean that if you worked for the church you too would be tax exempt?

And this is the second time I've seen someone say get rid of concealed weapons. It's not that easy to get a carry and conceal weapon (ccw) permit. How many people have you seen, or heard of, that carry concealed? I don't understand what the problem with this permit is.

Reborn Outcast
04-28-2003, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by munik
Does anyone notice that Reborn quoted Mydnight 2 minutes before Mydnight posted? And concerning that, I thought that churches and such were tax exempt. Wouldn't that mean that if you worked for the church you too would be tax exempt?

Mydnight had another post and I quoted that one but he deleated it and made a larger one after I had quoted. :D



And yes churches are free from tax but does that mean Pastorsdon't have to pay tax on everything outside of church?

ShadowTemplar
04-28-2003, 08:44 AM
1a) Make a Synode for every major religion. Use it to exercise maximum control over religion. Either they are subservient to the government-controlled synode, or they have their fundings cut and are taxed beyond what they can possibly bear; nothing civilizes a preacher better than taking his paycheck.

Or

1b) Make religious practise in public illegal. What you do behind a closed door at home is your own business, but when in public, fething well don't support treasonous, totalitarian regimes.

2) Give NASA more money.

3) Remove the subsidiaries, like C'Jais said (munik: Subsidiaries are government funding of private business. This allows companies to dump the price of their goods, killing off local business in 3rd world countries that can't afford subsidiaries).

4) Support Stem Cell Research.

5) Remove any and all anti-abortion laws.

6) Make Evolution mandatory curriculum.

7) Make Math, Science (especially Physics), Formal Logic, and Statistics mandatory curriculum.

8) Support research in alternative energy (especially wind energy).

9) Forward a public apology to the UN for the former el Prez' actions.

10) Pay all debts to the UN, and increase foreign aid to the UN goal.

Not neccessairily in that order.

ShockV1.89
04-28-2003, 11:04 AM
Um.. four months sounds a bit short to get a job, IMO.
Well, I'd have to do some research on exactly how long most people take. I've never taken longer than a month to find a job, but then, I'm still a student... Maybe 6 months, or whatever...

And let's get rid of this stupid far-right stereotype that all poor people are lazy. There are a million reasons why you can go in the hole, and in the States, there are even more.

I never said that all poor people are lazy. But I live within 5 minutes drive of several large housing projects, in which nearly all of the people are welfare abusers. I see these scumbags sitting outside, drinking their 40s and mooching off government money. My girlfriends father does maintenance at several of them, and man, I've heard some stories. There are familys there that have been on welfare for several generations.

I have some person experience with this one. Maybe it's different in otehr states or parts of the world, but where I am (NY), welfare abuse is a major problem.

C'jais
04-28-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
"C'jais" Ahhh didn't know this was a discusion just thought I was supost to list my ideas.

Just regard everything in this forum as open for discussion ;)


What makes people that have never done anything for there country more qualified? People who volunteer to take the risks should have the say.

So the postman and street cleaner are taking risks, compared to the privately hired bodyguard, who doesn't take any? That doesn't hold up.

I can see your point somewhat with the military, meaning that the people who have served know more about military affairs than "normal" people. But it can only go so far - the average soldier knows nothing more about running a country than the average postman, which means nothing really. But on the other hand, the biotechnician working for a corporation who never was in the army or did government, he might know a whole lot about politics and managing USA.

Fact is, people who have done government work know nothing more about being a good citizen and making the right decisions in government affairs - they just did a job like everyone else. Doesn't make them more qualified.

Not the ones that sit back and watch and complain.

Complain? What is it you're doing right now, Jack? You've been in the army, but I can't see it improving your status as a citizen. If nothing else, you now trust blindly in the military of USA to deliver you when there's world trouble.

Well Singapore has public caning you know for just about every miss diameter. From littering to spiting to chewing gum. It's a very clean country.

Is it?

Strangely, during the rule of Saddam in Iraq, there was little to no dissent among the people of his country. Everyone was very satisfied, and the government got the job done. Or did it?

It would also make a good form of public entertainment and a way for the Gov. to make money off criminals rather than spend it they don't disserve that.

There's another way to make even easier money - legalize prostitution and pot. Tax the living sh*t out of them.

I never said I supported the sanctity of life. IF I ever had have a wife or daughter and someone rapes or kills them I'm not going to let them live. They don't deserve that right.

But yet, you deserve the right to kill them?

C'jais
04-28-2003, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by munik
Whoohoo! I was hoping we'd get to rag on each others ideas! I just didn't want to be the first one.
Not sure exactly what a subsidary is, but we would care on the basis of self sufficiency. You know, the whole "Buy USA" slogan and stuff.

I don't think you can be entirely self-sufficient at this point in history, unless you want to drastically decrease the living standard - You're dependant on oil, luxuries etc.

But really, you produce enough food to feed the entire third world, yet the huge majority of it is used as animal food. It's actually quite disgusting to think about it.

We are taxed on quite a few things.

Of course you are, but not enough, IMHO.

In my country, the income tax is at a modest 50% and it works fine. Not to forget all the extremely heavy taxing on goods and foostuffs.

I think that if they were to be raised to astronomical levels that others might start remembering too.

No one's talking about communism-like astronomical levels ;)

speck of dust
04-28-2003, 05:39 PM
1. ELIMINATE THE NATIONAL DEBT. Most of it is paid to private banks that run the federal reserve. It only costs .60 cents to produce paper money, regardless of which dead presidents face adorns it. There is only 300 billion paper dollars in circulation right now. The debt is now 6 trillion dollars. Who's making this profit and how? You do the math, then do the research.

(Opening this pandoras box alone, would get me assasinated as president. So below are a list of laws that my vice president, who happens to be a legalized clone of myself, will continue on for me...)

2. Don't give nasa more money. PRIVATISE THE SPACE INDUSTRY. Do it NOW. Allow private companies the right to explore and exploit space. It's the only way to get us off this rock. Man has never been on the moon, since I've been alive anyway. Over 30 years ago was the last time we were there!. That's pathetic! Evolution is must work in reverse up in space, because our whole program has Devolved. Capitalism, bless it's dirty corruptable soul, is the only way to jumpstart our dying dreams of space.

2 a. Once this is established, build a safe and effective wagon train to get rid of nuclear and other polluted wastes: Place the pollutants on an elevator (made of quantum superstrong carbon atoms), send them up to an orbiting cargo ship, and then slingshot the ship on a one way path into our big blazing ball of a god, the sun.

3. Any industry that pollutes the environment, has to pay fines 10 times the amount it costs to clean it up. And the heads of those companies have to drink, bathe, and baptize their children in the water they pollute. Then go to jail.

4. Legalize any 'drug' that is a naturally growing piece of this planet.

5. Make schools (that have much higher government funded budgets) teach children to harness their own creative energies and abilities. Children have the instinct to create, give them more time to do so. Imagination, ladies and gentlemen, is what makes the world go round.

5 b. On a similar note, teachers should have more incentives. Like doctors, or lawyers, should be paid based on their abilities. They should be given raises if their students pass specialized equivlency tests.

6. Instill in the minds of Americans that consumption yields waste. Anything we procuce and consume, has a byproduct that must be accounted for and cleaned up. Give huge incentive and funding to companies that research how to balance out both ends of this production eqeation. This means alternative energy. Not just for cars, but for buildings, housing, electronics, etc...

7. For the love of God, stop stop stop destroying precious land and forests all over the world. As per point 6, RESPECT THE ECO-SYSTEM! Every action has a reaction. Trees produce oxygen and consume Carbon Dioxide. The less trees, the less room to breathe.

7 a. There is a design to the food chain, animals understand it, so should we. If we wipe out a species, we in turn wipe out ourselves. Designate more wildlife and land not for real estate, but to upstart and maintain local eco systems.

8. The last two years of high school must have mandatory classes that prepare and educate students how important it is to VOTE FOR THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS EVERY NOVEMBER. They need to learn what each branch of the officials do, who is running, what are the platforms, and figure out for themselves who to vote for. Teach how important it is to have MORE THAN TWO parties. There should be mock up elections in schools, to get familiar with the process. So that once they turn 18 they will know how important it is to vote and will express their voice, thus reducing the huge gap (50%) of eligible voters that DO NOT VOTE. Please, it's what our country is founded on. The only way for new generations to have a voice louder than the old ones is to vote.

9. And if after all this you DON'T vote for my re-election, then you get a free trip to space on my nuclear wagon train.

:)

Dagobahn Eagle
04-28-2003, 05:48 PM
2. Don't give nasa more money. PRIVATISE THE SPACE INDUSTRY. Do it NOW. Allow private companies the right to explore and exploit space. It's the only way to get us off this rock. Man has never been on the moon, since I've been alive anyway. Over 30 years ago was the last time we were there!. That's pathetic! Evolution is must work in reverse up in space, because our whole program has Devolved. Capitalism, bless it's dirty corruptable soul, is the only way to jumpstart our dying dreams of space.
I don't think any private company can afford to pay for space travel, and seeing they get nothing back (ie. it's not like they can sell rockets to families), it's hardly an industry at all anyway.

2 a. Once this is established, build a wagon train to get rid of nuclear and other polluted wastes: Place the pollutants on an elevator (made of quantum superstrong carbon atoms), send them up to an orbiting cargo ship, and then slingshot the ship on a one way path into our big blazing ball of a god, the sun.
You realise that's impossible?

4. Legalize any 'drug' that is a naturally growing piece of this planet. May I ask why?

speck of dust
04-28-2003, 05:55 PM
There are in fact plans to build a carbon tethered elevator to space, they have the quantum technology to do it.

Privatising space is alot more than selling rockets to families, lol. The oppurtunites and benefits are humungous, too much to post in this thread here. (maybe we should start another on it?) The point here being, open the doors. Start the ball rolling. Let competition reduce the huge costs. And let companies with more romantic intentions explore space. Nasa is getting stale on it's romance.

As per my legalizing 'natural' drugs, i.e. pot, mushrooms, etc... A) something that grows on it's own should not be illegal. B) like alchohol and tobacco, the industry would be huge and the taxes on it would be even bigger.

ShockV1.89
04-28-2003, 06:00 PM
8. The last two years of high school must have mandatory classes that prepare and educate students how important it is to VOTE FOR THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS EVERY NOVEMBER. They need to learn what each branch of the officials do, who is running, what are the platforms, and figure out for themselves who to vote for. Teach how important it is to have MORE THAN TWO parties. There should be mock up elections in schools, to get familiar with the process. So that once they turn 18 they will know how important it is to vote and will express their voice, thus reducing the huge gap (50%) of eligible voters that DO NOT VOTE. Please, it's what our country is founded on. The only way for new generations to have a voice louder than the old ones is to vote.

Believe it or not, my high school did do this, except it was only mandatory in senior year. It worked pretty well (especially consdiering that the mayor of the city was the teacher. ;) )

C'jais
04-28-2003, 06:10 PM
I've changed my mind on the space issue, as I think privatizing would be the better way to go. There are actually pretty big treasures in space, and they'll only grow in size when the size of this rock gets too small.

As for the drugs issue, you have to remember that a lot of lethal poisons grow naturally. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it isn't dangerous. And selling coke for huge profits, while at the same time getting thousands of people addicted to it is bad, IMO.

greedo626
04-28-2003, 06:24 PM
1) Raise minimum wage to $80 an hour (just to see what happens).

2) Feed convicts to lions for fun.

3) Increase military funding and take over the world.

4) Build an orbiting space station to send all the dumbasses to, then open the windows to make room for the next batch.

5) Name myself Emperor of Earth and wire nukes all over the world to blow up when I die so I can go out with a bang:thumbsup:


I don't think I'll ever be president.

munik
04-29-2003, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle
I don't think any private company can afford to pay for space travel, and seeing they get nothing back (ie. it's not like they can sell rockets to families), it's hardly an industry at all anyway.
What about all the satelites put into space? Is NASA the only one who puts them there? If so, I doubt they do it for free. So that would be how you would pay for it, you are providing a service. And that's just one way to pay for it, off the top of my head.
]Originally posted by greedo626
Raise minimum wage to $80 an hour (just to see what happens).It would most likely screw everyone very hard. Raising the minimum wage is detrimental to everyone except those who make minimum wage. And all they gain is the right to say they make 25 cents more an hour then they did last year. When minimum wage rises, so too do the prices of everything. Businesses need to compensate for the higher wages paid out. So, the person who wasn't making minimum wage still makes the same amount of money, but now everything cost more. Raising the minimum wage sounds good, but it really is a cosmetic fix to fool people.

C'jais, a lot of the lethal poisons that grow naturally aren't illegal, though. That's the difference. But I'm not supporting that they be legalized. Also, there is no federal law pertaining to prostitution, that is regulated by the State. As for taxes, do you think that the cost of living and the price of things and the average salary in your country are on par with the States? If they are, then I reckon we could handle paying some more taxes. If not, then it would be hard to raise taxes here, as no company would lower prices, not for decades at least untill they realize that the economy can't bear their prices. Then companies go bankrupt, etc. It would be a big mess. We're sort of in an irreversible position on that right now, I think the best bet would just be lower government spending. I bet the our government spends quite a bit more money on frivolous things then yours does, if all things are equal.

ET Warrior
04-29-2003, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by C'jais
No one's talking about communism-like astronomical levels ;)

I think his tax reference wasn't directed at communism......more towards the reason we split from England in the first place, that we were getting our asses taxed to death and we didn't even get a say in it.....well, that's not the ONLY reason we split...but it was one of the major ones.....

Kain
04-30-2003, 03:58 PM
why dont we stop nit-picking peoples posts and stay on topic?

CagedCrado
04-30-2003, 09:17 PM
You all realize that none of that can be done right? the president doesnt have enough power to do all of that. He is just the most publicized for some reason. The president is basically the head of his party, nothing more.

Things like raising taxes
Gun control
laws
social programs

I suppose you could do executive orders, but then youd just be impeached.

BTW you do need a license for a concealed weapon.

If you banned guns, expect to be assassinated by gun lovers, if you ban guns the bad guys still have them, and hunters and sportsmen dont.

If you took away anti abortion laws, dont expect to be alive much longer you murderer.

If you raised taxes to 100%, trust me mao tsetung, youd not be around long. I might assasinate you myself.

Get rid of the military i might not kill you or wish death upon you but i wont like you and you will get no votes anyway.

Plain and simply, you give the government any power, and it gets corrupted. 25% taxes is enough, and although getting rid of guns etc sounds good, really its just stupid.

Socialism is just stupid, this has been proven by the absolutely horrible european economy, and the reason the american and japanese economies are the best is because the people are actually free.

Socialism takes away the freedom over your finances, which is almost all of your power and therefore, your freedom over your life.

You are all socialists. Socialism is bad. Socialists are like communists, the government gets more power than they need. The governments only power should be the military, and by this im talking about the national government.

If the national government ran your city, the streets would go nowhere, thered be constant construction, and no law, with 70% taxes.

I believe that states can do far more than the national government, as they know what is going on.

Dagobahn Eagle
04-30-2003, 09:41 PM
You all realize that none of that can be done right? the president doesnt have enough power to do all of that. He is just the most publicized for some reason. The president is basically the head of his party, nothing more.
Going to war against, someone, on the other hand, seems far from radical or drastic enough to require congress approval.

*Reads rest of Croco's post*
Croco, the whole thing is, we know the President can't do that. And we know the consequences. We're doing this for fun, okay;)?

If you banned guns, expect to be assassinated by gun lovers, if you ban guns the bad guys still have them, and hunters and sportsmen dont.
Not so. You can restrict guns to the level they are restricted in other countries in which 11,000 people don't get shot every year.

You can own weapons in every country, basically. We don't say we should ban guns, but that you should be reasonable and have to go trough a LOT of **** to get them. You know, so that the crime rates would go down. That's not against the 2nd Amendment, which actually is specific in stating that the "militia" should be well-regulated.

If you took away anti abortion laws, dont expect to be alive much longer you murderer.
Hypocrite. "I hate killing so I'll kill you:D"?
Some abortions are justified.. albeit not at the age of 3 months. More like the first weeks. Let's say the fetus is found to lack a brain, say. Do you still want the girl to have to go trough the extreme pain of birth just for, frankly, a dead body?

Get rid of the military i might not kill you or wish death upon you but i wont like you and you will get no votes anyway.
Just to ask you about something: Can you please give some reasoning for your views. This is a Serious Discussion Forum.

Socialism is just stupid, this has been proven by the absolutely horrible european economy, and the reason the american and japanese economies are the best is because the people are actually free.
Are you related to TIE Guy, by any chance:)?

Socialism takes away the freedom over your finances, which is almost all of your power and therefore, your freedom over your life
.
Okay:

Scandinavia, a social-liberalist region, is among the most wealthy regions in the world.
Socialism doesn't necessarily take away your freedom: You can still have privatized hospitals, for example, even though you've got socialized hospitals.
People do not necessarily "slack off" just because they get 'free' hospitals and other 'free' stuff. They don't plan on getting hurt anyway, and they still work to get money for housing, food, clothes, and so on.
Socialism doesn't take away the freedom of your finances as long as you maintain free enterprise. I know, a socialist country with free enterprise is not a true socialist country, but hey, the USA is not a true capitalist country (there's socialized stuff, regulations, and welfare:)). If you mean having to pay for hospitals and stuff, well, maybe, but remember that the people voted for this way of live by electing leftist parties in the first place. We want to pool money on hospitals for each others, plain and simple as that.
In the United States, 40 million people out of 280+ million (14%), are have no health insurance. In liberal countries, unless something's wrong with the system or you haven't got enough hospitals, the number is 0 (0%). Difference of 40 million+ people.
Privatized health: Privatization of medicine sale brings about bad sides as well as good sides in addition to people not covered by insurance, for example overprescription of medicine.

CagedCrado
04-30-2003, 10:05 PM
Scandanavia is not one of the richest regions in the world when you take into consideration those people give 75% of their money to the government. The reason socialism is stupid is it hurts people whod otherwise have money. I go to the doctore 3 times a year at most. That costs about $500 with no insurance. Lets say my income is $40,000 a year, slightly higher than national average. Lets say the government takes 75% of that away for poor people to go to the doctor. I only make $10,000. If you ask me, id rather choose how i spend my money rather than let the government spend it for me.

The reason id not vote for a person who got rid of the military is that they are morons. If i was the leader of russia, id be happy to own europe right now. You are lucky the US would defend you even though personally, i see you as socialist morons.

What is the point in building a country if only to lose it in war? A military is more important than socialist programs by far.

BTW i know i am a hypocrite but i feel that if you kill people you deserve to die, but not if you killed someone who kills.

Dagobahn Eagle
04-30-2003, 10:20 PM
If I was the leader of russia, id be happy to own europe right now.
The fact that you'd want to be an imperialist doesn't mean we need a big army.

Fact is, not too many countries in the world have too much of a threat table. The USA basically is only threatened by terroists and maybe China.

And yes, you need an army. All countries do. However, I ask you why this army has to be a houdred times bigger than every other army. The US Army, outguns the 10 next countries on the list, if they all were to fight you together. You don't NEED such a big army, just keeping one that's slightly bigger than #2 will do the trick.

You are lucky the US would defend you
Watch out, C'Jais's gonna get at you now:p.

C'jais
05-01-2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by CagedCrado
BTW you do need a license for a concealed weapon.

I know. I was talking about banning concealed weapons and make a license a requirement for owning one at all.

If you banned guns, expect to be assassinated by gun lovers, if you ban guns the bad guys still have them, and hunters and sportsmen dont.

"Expect to be assassinated by gun lovers"? Eh? I don't think the American public is that unforgiving.

Of course you'd still be able to get guns if you really wanted to. That's not the point. The point is that the people who might commit gun crimes would have a severely harder time doing it, if they didn't have a gun at their disposal right away. Like the school shootings - how many less would you think would happen if those kids couldn't just go and grab a gun from under their dad's pillow?

If you took away anti abortion laws, dont expect to be alive much longer you murderer.

Easy on the death threats there.

Ok, so I'm a murderer by doing this. Let's pretend. How about all the women that use p-pills? Those pills kill, murders and snuffs the life of the fetus, after it's been born and given life. You want to ban those as well?

If you raised taxes to 100%, trust me mao tsetung, youd not be around long. I might assasinate you myself. `

Communism works at 100% percent taxes, you got that right.

But raising taxes 100% would only mean a tax rate at a modest 50%, which is what social-liberalism is working on.

Get rid of the military i might not kill you or wish death upon you but i wont like you and you will get no votes anyway.

I didn't want to get rid of the military altogether. That'd be mad, I agree.

No, merely cut it in half.

Socialism is just stupid, this has been proven by the absolutely horrible european economy

Is it? Or are you referring more specifically to the east-european economy? That's capitalism for you.

No, Scandinavia's economy is not sh*te. Far from it.

and the reason the american and japanese economies are the best is because the people are actually free.

Aha.

Socialism takes away the freedom over your finances, which is almost all of your power and therefore, your freedom over your life.

No it doesn't.

50% my friend, 50%.

You are all socialists.

Hey hey now. Not all of us in here are Scandi's.

Socialism is bad.

That's a matter of opinion. What criteria are you basing this on?

Socialists are like communists

Moreso than capitalism, yes. But not "like" communism.



If the national government ran your city, the streets would go nowhere, thered be constant construction, and no law, with 70% taxes.

Huh? Why?

Doesn't happen in my city.

C'jais
05-01-2003, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by CagedCrado
Scandanavia is not one of the richest regions in the world when you take into consideration those people give 75% of their money to the government.

50%. You really ought to read up on socialism, and watch how it works in Scandinavia.


You are lucky the US would defend you even though personally, i see you as socialist morons.

Since when did you ever defend us?

Please don't reboot the whole WW2 debate.

What is the point in building a country if only to lose it in war? A military is more important than socialist programs by far.

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly.

But I didn't say "get rid of the military". I said "cut it down to half". Don't worry, you'll still have a military might to be reckoned with, but you'll appear less gung-ho on the global scene.

BTW i know i am a hypocrite but i feel that if you kill people you deserve to die, but not if you killed someone who kills.

How would I kill anyone by abolishing anti-abortion laws?

How do you kill anyone by supporting the wars your country wages and by eating fast food?

I can't see the logic.

Dagobahn Eagle
05-01-2003, 08:57 PM
But raising taxes 100% would only mean a tax rate at a modest 50%, which is what social-liberalism is working on.

Oooooh. I thought you meant to 100%. I oughta read peoples' posts better.

Should we get back on topic? Maybe you could make everyone post 5 more things?

ShockV1.89
05-01-2003, 09:10 PM
Good idea. I'll start.

1. Make school uniforms mandatory. There has been extensive research done that shows that school uniforms are beneficial in many ways, particularly in urban communities. Naturally, provide vouchers to familys who cannot afford them.

Thats all I can think of right now. I'll add more later.

C'jais
05-01-2003, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle
Should we get back on topic? Maybe you could make everyone post 5 more things?

Back on topic?

I thought we were just tossin' ideas around? :p

Sure, make 20 twenty more if you feel like it, bud.

C'jais
05-01-2003, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by ShockV1.89
1. Make school uniforms mandatory. There has been extensive research done that shows that school uniforms are beneficial in many ways, particularly in urban communities.

Which ways, exactly?

I think the brits here could give us some insight.

As for me, I can't see school uniforms helping much. Sure, it makes fashion statements less pronounced, but they're still there, and I never really sensed it as too much of a problem.

Cosmos Jack
05-01-2003, 09:55 PM
I know this is allot to late, but anyway I like the Space subjects and need to put my 5 cents in on this one.
Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle
I don't think any private company can afford to pay for space travel, and seeing they get nothing back (ie. it's not like they can sell rockets to families), it's hardly an industry at all anyway.
There is a substantial profit to be made by any company that can afford it. There are already privet companies that launch satellites. There is currently a $10 million prize for anyone who can affordably launch a manned civilian craft into space. If one does it others will follow. Than more interest brings more research, more research brings better cheaper equipment. There are other reasons to go to space other than launching satellites or rich people in orbit.

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,447494,00.html
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,444888,00.html

ShockV1.89
05-01-2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by C'jais
Which ways, exactly?

I think the brits here could give us some insight.


Improves self-esteem and self image by allowing the kids to be recognized for their personalities more than their clothes. This also helps close the rich-to-poor divide that often springs up in many public schools.

Greatly decreases chances of gang violence in urban schools, by prohibiting the wearing of "gang colors."

Increased security, as it is much easier to spot an intruder/tresspasser on school grounds when every student is wearing a uniform. The person who doesnt belong sort of stands out.

Create a greater sense of community and belonging within the school.

Keeps the kids concentrating on their studys, and less on what they are going to wear the next day (I have a 15 yr old sister, and she does spend more time on her clothes and looks than studying. And she's not even that bad).

Dagobahn Eagle
05-01-2003, 11:42 PM
1. Make it so that the President has to get Congress approval for troops movement, no matter how short a time they're in another country.

Improves self-esteem and self image by allowing the kids to be recognized for their personalities more than their clothes. This also helps close the rich-to-poor divide that often springs up in many public schools.
Whoa, economic gaps.

To be frank, the problem is with your society when it comes to the US and UK. The mistake you're doing is informing the children that they're different in the first place.

What you should have done is to let a 10-year old think that a big house is a big house, not a "upper-middle-class house belonging to people who are richer than me and thus a different type of people who probably look down at me and that I thus should stay away from". If you don't teach kids about different economic levels before, say, middle of middle school, they won't segregate as much between "classes" (which is a stupid term, IMO, because it serves only to draw lines between people) either.

If you want a smaller "class" gap, well, just don't tell your kids too much about classes and differences. It's simply disturbing how US middle schoolers yell and holler at people digging ditches, for example.
/Rant.
Greatly decreases chances of gang violence in urban schools, by prohibiting the wearing of "gang colors."
Two words: Dress code. You don't need a uniform.

Increased security, as it is much easier to spot an intruder/tresspasser on school grounds when every student is wearing a uniform. The person who doesnt belong sort of stands out.
Make people wear visible IDs.

Create a greater sense of community and belonging within the school.
You don't need a uniform for that.

ET Warrior
05-02-2003, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle
To be frank, the problem is with your society when it comes to the US and UK. The mistake you're doing is informing the children that they're different in the first place.

What you should have done is to let a 10-year old think that a big house is a big house, not a "upper-middle-class house belonging to people who are richer than me and thus a different type of people who probably look down at me and that I thus should stay away from". If you don't teach kids about different economic levels before, say, middle of middle school, they won't segregate as much between "classes" (which is a stupid term, IMO, because it serves only to draw lines between people) either.

If you want a smaller "class" gap, well, just don't tell your kids too much about classes and differences. It's simply disturbing how US middle schoolers yell and holler at people digging ditches, for example.

Even if you tell your ten year old that a big house is a big house, he'll eventually realize that having a big house means that they have more money than he does. And the fact that they have more money means that they will have more stuff, and kids with more stuff are cooler than other kids. It's humanity there, we don't have to teach social classes for them to exist.

Two words: Dress code. You don't need a uniform.

How does a dress code prevent gang colors? If you limit the colors of the kids clothes, why not just assign a uniform? It'd be easier.

Make people wear visible IDs.
What happens if a kid loses his? Or forgets his at home? Kids are PROBABLY not going to lose their clothes or forget to wear them. And even with visible IDs, you're still less out-of-place without one than you would be wearing street clothes when everyone has uniforms.

You don't need a uniform for that.

True...but it would help.

Dagobahn Eagle
05-02-2003, 12:34 AM
Even if you tell your ten year old that a big house is a big house, he'll eventually realize that having a big house means that they have more money than he does. And the fact that they have more money means that they will have more stuff, and kids with more stuff are cooler than other kids. It's humanity there, we don't have to teach social classes for them to exist.
True.
However, in the choice between a child being thaught about it at age 7, and a child learning it on his own at age 11-13, I know what I'll go for.

The later you learn about differences, the more integrated you'll be by the time you learn about them.

And yes, kids with more stuff are more cool. However, kids in Scandinavia still hang out with kids with less stuff. BUT they hang out at the house with the most/coolest stuff. There's a big difference between not playing at the house of a kid with less stuff, and not playing with that person at all.

ShadowTemplar
05-02-2003, 05:02 AM
A little note on Scandinavia before I log out:

Scandinavia (including Iceland) is the happiest place on Earth.

Source: By the Numbers: Quality of Life, Scientific American, oct-02

Dagobahn Eagle
05-02-2003, 08:51 PM
I think ST really loves his homeland:p. j/k

Uniforms..
How does a dress code prevent gang colors? If you limit the colors of the kids clothes, why not just assign a uniform? It'd be easier.
Good point. However, I think uniforms are a bit overkill. Sure, in schools with gang feuds you should have them but not in every school. My school is pretty peaceful, and I haven't heard of a single gang clash taking place there.

SkinWalker
05-03-2003, 04:52 PM
There is a lot of evidence to support "happiness" in Scandinavian countries. A quick look at this link (http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=4116) will demonstrate the level of freedoms they enjoy. This is an index of "freedom of the press," but I've seen similar indices of other freedoms that reflect the same trends. The United States, of course, is near the top of the list, but is still out-done by Norway, Finland, Iceland, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Denmark among others... many of which were tied for their places.

This kind of information makes it easy to plan out-of-country vacations :cool:

Dagobahn Eagle
05-03-2003, 05:00 PM
Question, though: Is that caused by socialism, athletics, nature, cute princesses, or what?

I just feel we're getting a bit off topic here:).