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JediNyt
05-16-2003, 04:49 AM
Whoa...hehe what a movie! Opening day today, I just got back from it. Surprised Noones put up this thread yet. Anyway lets get down to it. Talk about alot of input, theres sooo much to take in. This is definately a movie you must see several times before being able to grasp it all. Very overwhelming the first time.

Aside from the massive techno orgy in the muddy cavern, that stuff really isnt my thing, the rest of the movie rocked! Beautiful fights, cool guns, car chases causing the biggest traffic jam in history, woohoo! :D :D :D Dont expect to come out all knowing and saying "Yeah I got it all, makes perfect sense!" Not. But the story is very well done, like I said see it alot and youll get it. When the Architect started talking I was like :nut: but I got the jist of it.

Well Im not giving away anymore spoilers. (Although leXX could probably tell the whole story inside out by now ;)) Start posting those reviews! :thumbsup:

Oh and stick around till after the credits...youll see. ;)

Death_Jedi
05-16-2003, 12:58 PM
yea i must say the orgy sean went for longer then it needed to
my favourite part was the bit where neo was fighting all the agent smiths they just kept comming. he was like hitting them 50 feet across the air and stuff. and when they all jumped on him he threw allllllll of them off him.

and i like the bit where trinity was on her bike then she jumped off the building and backfliped off it and it crashed into that building causing it 2 explode

And i thourght the twins would be in it for longer then they were

but it finished off nowhere and that guy beside neo wasnt that the guy that was gonna stab him , the one that cut his own hand

i heard when you see the agent smith go through to the real world that he takes over that guys body

did you stay intill after the credits

people told me there is somthing on after it but i didnt stay what happened?

Rogue15
05-16-2003, 06:47 PM
use the mod damn spoiler tags for christs sake....:mad:

BobaJango
05-17-2003, 03:28 AM
Was it good? Gotta go see it myself. Since i am one year away from actually being able to see it by my self without parents. (I'm 17 and proud) Is there any nudity? Hope not, otherwise I can't see it. (%#@!$^*&!!!)

wassup
05-17-2003, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by BobaJango
Was it good? Gotta go see it myself. Since i am one year away from actually being able to see it by my self without parents. (I'm 17 and proud) Is there any nudity? Hope not, otherwise I can't see it. (%#@!$^*&!!!)

You get a glimpse of Neo's rear crack. And you see 2-3 women with semi-see-through shirts in the Zion orgy. I really did not know why this movie was rated R, took me so much effort to get a parent to come with us to see it...(im 16)

Anyways, I too was confused by what the Architect was saying, hopefully it will be cleared up in Revolutions. :D

Lynk Former
05-18-2003, 04:39 AM
Ah, finally saw it yesterday. It was aright... I guess there are just too many movies out with big special effects so I'm used to seeing all the uber out there sorta things. Plus I watch anime and they have wierder stuff in them than Reloaded XD Anywayz, I kinda enjoyed the orgy party lol... but yeah it was kewl.

And wassup, it's not rated R because it was only nipples. Nothing more.

wassup
05-18-2003, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Lynk Former
And wassup, it's not rated R because it was only nipples. Nothing more.

:eyeraise: What? Could you please explain what you meant there? I was just stating that it didn't really have any major violence or they didn't really show any "suggestive" themes for too long. Probably the ratings people thought that the story related to the real world too much and some people or little kids might get paranoid (unlike, lets say, LOTR, which had as much/more violence and action but didn't tie in to anything about our Earth). :rolleyes:

Lynk Former
05-18-2003, 07:54 PM
oh.... nah that's not really violent, believe me i've seen violent and that wasn't that violent...

wassup
05-18-2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Lynk Former
oh.... nah that's not really violent, believe me i've seen violent and that wasn't that violent...

I know LOTR wasn't THAT violent but I don't think Matrix Reloaded was more violent than LOTR though. As for the sexual themes, ok, wow, they showed some nipples for like 2 seconds. :rolleyes: According to Yahoo! (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1807428853), it was rated R for sci-fi violence and some sexuality. I don't think the "sci-fi violence and some sexuality" deserved an R rating though.

Lynk Former
05-19-2003, 12:21 AM
oh gawd no... that's only an M15+ rating down here (recommended but not exclusively allowed for 15+) down here... it really isn't anything

wassup
05-19-2003, 03:15 AM
Ah I see you live in Aussieland where Steve Irwin lives (hes crazy but fun to watch :nut: )

:D

Death_Jedi
05-21-2003, 04:26 AM
Hey were going off topic here , better get back on or a mod will close it.

Dose any1 know why neo could stop the senticals
i think its becouse

When Smith tryed to trun neo into a copy of himself he infected neo with a little bit of him self, and since smith can control the senticals , neo could aswell becouse smith had passed the ability onto him , and he went into the coma becouse he used up all of him energy useing his new skill

and with the guy who was beside neo at the end

right at the start you see him get truned into a agent smith then smith goes through the phone
when the smith went through the phone he came into that guys body and when he was cutting him self he was seeing what it was like to bleed , since he is machine and cant , and he was trying to kill neo from the real world since he cant do it in the matrix since neo is to powerful there

What do ya think?

Lynk Former
05-21-2003, 06:58 AM
You have the same Idea I had when I thought about it after seeing it...


(oh and we're not grumpy bastards lol, we're not gonna close this down just cause it goes off topic for a bit.)

Death_Jedi
05-21-2003, 09:48 AM
u sure u had the same idea as me or r u just saying that cas its rulz :D

Lynk Former
05-21-2003, 10:30 AM
*gives DJ and strange look* no i had the same idea as you

STTCT
05-21-2003, 10:43 AM
hum these ideas...sound familiar to me................................................ .............................

Pad
05-21-2003, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Death_Jedi
What do ya think?
i like your way off thinkin DJ as i was thinkin the same thing ;)

JediNyt
05-21-2003, 05:00 PM
Yup I think pretty much all of us have the same idea. Except I didnt think about Smith being able to control Sentinels, how do you know he can do that? In the first Matrix he said "Deploy the Sentinels" but that doesnt mean Agents can control them, they just send the word to the Sentinels to attack. We're just gonna have to wait and see what the deal is with Neo in Revolutions.

Lynk Former
05-21-2003, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by JediNyt
Yup I think pretty much all of us have the same idea. Except I didnt think about Smith being able to control Sentinels, how do you know he can do that? In the first Matrix he said "Deploy the Sentinels" but that doesnt mean Agents can control them, they just send the word to the Sentinels to attack. We're just gonna have to wait and see what the deal is with Neo in Revolutions.

Maybe Smith had emergency access to them, you know an emergency override program. *nods*

Death_Jedi
05-22-2003, 03:37 AM
im pretty sure he can control them
.....well got any other ideas why he could control them

Taos
05-22-2003, 04:35 AM
If he [Smith] doesn't control them.......any thoughts about who might? I'm inclined to think that Smith does in fact control them. A discussion on Matrix theory could go on forever, I'm too tired to get into details at this point.

Death_Jedi
05-22-2003, 04:38 AM
he must be able to, he did get his code mixed up with neos, then how would have neo told them to deactivate

teutonicknight
05-22-2003, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Leemu Taos
If he [Smith] doesn't control them.......any thoughts about who might? I'm inclined to think that Smith does in fact control them. A discussion on Matrix theory could go on forever, I'm too tired to get into details at this point.

The Sentinal control themselves. There AI in the future, remember?

Thought it was great. It The Matrix was 10/10, Reloaded was 9.9/10

Lynk Former
05-22-2003, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by teutonicknight
The Sentinal control themselves. There AI in the future, remember?

that doesn't destroy me emergency override theory *nods* XD

LiMP RABBiT
06-05-2003, 02:11 PM
What i want to know is how Neo froze the Sentinals at the end. Is it because he chose to save Trinity instead of the world. What? I dont get it. Even after 3 viewings i dont get it. Ahhhh.

JediNyt
06-06-2003, 11:05 PM
Neo took a big risk by choosing the left door yes but he thought it better to do that then to let the human race continue to be batteries for the machines forever. Kind of a leap of faith, he wanted to be different than his predecessors and try to win the war and not give up. It was also a kind of defiance in the face of the arrogant Archicect. The fact that he saved Trinity when the Archicect said it was impossible shows that the machines can be wrong and there is still hope to win the war.

wassup
06-07-2003, 02:31 AM
Ok this is a speculation/theory my friend told me about (he got it from a forum):

There is a Matrix world and a real world, like in the first movie. The machines build Zion to flush out all the "bugs" in the Matrix software system(ie. round up all the humans that are not completely compatible or accepting of the Matrix) and put the "buggy" people all in Zion. This way, once all "bugs" in the Matrix software have been removed, the machines can just go to Zion and kill everyone. Also, once they do this, they "restart" the Matrix. After everyone is killed in Zion by the machines, new people are supposedly selected by THE ONE to rebuild Zion and gather a new group of "buggy" people that might cause trouble for the Matrix. Thus, Zion has been "destroyed" 5 times, meaning the Matrix has reset 5 times and all the "buggy" people in Zion have been killed 5 times. However, this time, with Neo, something is wrong. For the machines to enter and kill everyone in Zion, all they previously had to do was enter the access codes into Zion. This time, the codes have changed, thus in the first Matrix Agent Smith was trying to get the new codes from Morpheus, and in Reloaded, the machines began to dig into Zion instead of trying to get the new code. The reason Neo was able to send a EMP blast at the Sentinels was because he was part machine and part human. There is something in him that allows him to gain certain properties and traits of a machine, along with his natural human characteristics. Thus, he was able to disable the Sentinels.

Keep in mind, this theory is different from the "Matrix with-in a Matrix" theory. I know this is confusing, but the Matrix is a confusing topic, so if anyone has any questions, please ask. :D

Jedi_Monk
06-19-2003, 03:59 PM
I want to know about the Marovingian... okay, he's an ancient program, uses ghosts, vampires and werewolves to do his dirty work. For all of his talk of reaction, he's shocked as hell when he finds out that Neo has gotten the Keymaker and also rather upset.

All of the programs we've met have had some definate sense of purpose. Smith and the Agents, the Keymaker and even the Oracle. But the Marovingian doesn't appear to know his place, he's screwing around with the Matrix by holding the Keymaster exactly when the Machines most need him to get into contact with Neo and the Zionites.

So what's with the Marovingian? It struck me while I was watching the movie that he might be one of the Ones who decided to trade Zion for the good life in the Matrix (like what's-his-face did in the first movie). Persephone said that the Marovingian was a lot like Neo when she first met him, afterall.

Thoughts?

JediNyt
06-19-2003, 09:43 PM
Very interesting theory. It seems possible. I agree the guy seems to have no purpose other than to act like an arrogant bastard and piss people off. The whole orgasmic chocolate cake thing was so pointless. I think the reason why he wants to hold on to the Key Maker is because Neo needs him to get to the Source and if Neo gets to the Source then he can destroy the Matrix and without the Matrix the Marovingian has no purpose and there for cannot exist. Or something like that. ;)

Jedi_Monk
06-20-2003, 12:56 PM
But the Intuitive Program known as the Oracle has existed since the failure of Matrix 1.0, so she's been through five Ones reaching the Source. And the Oracle tells Neo that the Marovingian is one of the oldest "of us." So wouldn't that imply that the Marovingian has been through a few Ones, himself? And if he had, then he'd know that the Source is just a Matrix fail-safe, a trap for the One.

All of the Progams do what they're "intended to do"... it's bashed into our heads all throughout the movie. They don't change, they're just there, each with their purpose and their role in the Matrix' fail-safe system. But the Marovingian seems like a loose-cannon, which seems really contradictory to the whole purpose thing... only humans and the exiled programs act like that.

Whether he's a human or a program that escaped deletion, I think he's obviously trying to help the One in the only way he knows how.

He can't just tell Neo and Morpheus that they're being played by the Oracle... that's a lesson they won't learn until it's too late, no matter how much they hear it before. They made a leap of faith with the Oracle, so they'll stick with it and just figure anyone who says the Oracle is doing anything other than trying to help them is on the other side. None of what happened at the end of the movie would have happened if Persephone hadn't sold the Marovingian out.

Definately don't think he's playing on the team of the Matrix, no matter what he is.

JediNyt
06-20-2003, 09:04 PM
But all of the Ones before had picked the right door meaning the Matrix would continue and be rebooted so to speak. When a computer reboots it does not terminate any programs so the Marovingian will always exist as long as the One chooses the right door, or if the One fails to get the Key Maker there is no risk that he'll ever choose the left door. Theres no evidence that the Marovingian is a good guy.